Subject: Trombone-l Digest, Vol 32, Issue 10 Date: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 12:00 PM From: trombone-l-request@maillists.samford.edu Reply-To: trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu To: Conversation: Trombone-l Digest, Vol 32, Issue 10 Send Trombone-l mailing list submissions to trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to trombone-l-request@maillists.samford.edu You can reach the person managing the list at trombone-l-owner@maillists.samford.edu When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Trombone-l digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: To Ray and all who have ever been "reviewed". (Fred M Hudson) 2. Re: Conch shell on Reveultas (Daniel Pliskin) 3. Re: FW: "In the Shadow of the Moon" (Sam Louke) 4. Re: Conch shell on Reveultas (Daniel Pliskin) 5. Re: extreeme high pitched vintage German trombone (Bill Dinwiddie) 6. Re: extreeme high pitched vintage German trombone (Steve Gamble) 7. Re: Conch shell on Reveultas (ALEX ILES) 8. Re: Conch shell on Reveultas (Raymond Horton) 9. Re: Conch shell on Reveultas (John Monroe) 10. Re: Conch shell on Reveultas (Michael Millar) 11. Blog Song Sheet Music for Sale!! (Wes Funderburk) 12. Blog Song Sheet Music For Sale!! (Wes Funderburk) 13. Adrian & Sam Thanks! (Gary Maxwell) 14. Re: extreeme high pitched vintage German trombone (Bill Dinwiddie) 15. Re: extreeme high pitched vintage German trombone (Bill Dinwiddie) 16. Re: extreeme high pitched vintage German trombone (Dennis Clason) 17. Yamaha 651 (Phil Burton) 18. Re: FW: "In the Shadow of the Moon" (Earl Needham) 19. Re: extreeme high pitched vintage German trombone (Eric & Candice Swanson) 20. Re: extreeme high pitched vintage German trombone (Tom Izzo) 21. Re: Conch shell on Reveultas (Dave Tall) 22. Re: Conch shell on Reveultas (Adrian Drover) 23. Yamaha YSL-684G For Sale (Matt Plummer) 24. Re: extreeme high pitched vintage German trombone (Hugo Garc?a Sampedro) 25. Re: extreeme high pitched vintage German trombone (Hugo Garc?a Sampedro) 26. Re: Yamaha 651 (Joseph Jacob) 27. Re: Yamaha 651 (LarryL595@aol.com) 28. To avoid constant cleaning of silverplate (Keith Marr) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 12:15:56 -0500 (CDT) From: "Fred M Hudson" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] To Ray and all who have ever been "reviewed". To: "Dean Hubbard" Cc: "TROMBONE-L@server5.samford.edu" Message-ID: <1090.206.255.187.35.1189444556.squirrel@webmail.cablelynx.com> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 When I played in the Asheville, NC Symphony in the '60's - '70's our principal violist, a retiree from the NYC music scene, carried in his wallet a laminated copy of a review of his recital in Carnegie Hall many years earlier. It simply read:(to the best of my recollection) " Mr. _____ ________ appeared on stage at Carnegie Hall last evening carrying two violas. He played as badly on one as he did the other". I have no idea what his first reaction was but he obviously decided to treat it for what it was worth. Fred > > Ray, > > I worked a job for several years in show room. Every time a new act > would > come in so would the reviews. That was every two weeks. I was a hero and > a > bum. One review said I was headed to be the next Tommy Dorsey the next > one > said I couldn?t play at all. (The truth was somewhere in between!) The > older sidepeople told me to let it go or it would eat me up. They were > right. > I stopped believing these writers. Some not only have ink in their veins > but venomous poison too. When I was really bugged I?d write a scathing > letter like you, then rip it up. > Seemed to make me feel better. > I?ve always thought a ?review? should be a review not a critique. Where > was > it? Who was in it? What did they perform? How was the service > (waitstaff, > ushers, et al) ? How much does it cost? How long does it run? What does > the ticket cost? Is it appropriate for the kids? Parking? Etc. That?s a > review. > > Easier said than done dept: Forget about it. > > Truly, > Dean Hubbard. > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 17:19:03 +0000 From: "Daniel Pliskin" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Conch shell on Reveultas To: TROMBONE-L@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Raymond, > >ãYou don't often see a large man in white tie and tails blowing into a >conch shell (do you think his mother beams, ÎMy son, the conch player!?â).ä >I wrote a letter to the paper, but I don't know if I should send it. >Does this just make me sound defensive and pathetic? Here it is: Considering the general tone of this writing, I believe that you got a favorable review. ·And he got to have a bit of fun with you. In general, what happens is not what pisses us off. Instead, itâs our interpretation of what happened, itâs what we make what happened mean. I believe that youâve chosen to be offended by this, when no offense was intended. Heâs having fun playing with words and lots of people enjoy reading those words. And I believe that youâd come off as more professional, more powerful, more magnanimous, if you chose to let it slide. Now, if I were the pianist, Iâd let him know that he should stick to listening to MIDI files, if all he cares about is getting the notes right. DanP _________________________________________________________________ More photos; more messages; more whatever. Windows Live Hotmail - NOW with 5GB storage. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_5G_0907 ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 10:27:56 -0700 From: "Sam Louke" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] FW: "In the Shadow of the Moon" To: "'Adrian Drover'" , "'Eric Edwards'" , "'Trombone-L'" Message-ID: <002601c7f3cf$ed956800$0200a8c0@SamsNotebook> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I heard that he brought back some MoonPies, though. http://www.moonpie.com/ S -----Original Message----- From: Adrian Drover [mailto:slide@adios.co.uk] Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 9:55 AM To: 'Eric Edwards'; 'Trombone-L' Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] FW: "In the Shadow of the Moon" > From: Eric Edwards > > Either that or wanting to know what he REALLY wanted to shout after > stepping off the ladder. Yes, it must have been quite a shock to discover that there were no Guinness pubs there. A. ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 17:28:54 +0000 From: "Daniel Pliskin" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Conch shell on Reveultas To: TROMBONE-L@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >The statement, "never argue with someone who buys ink by the barrel" seems >appropraite here. He clearly was just trying to be a smartass and make his >column interesting to the general public. Whereas it does seem useless to get personally offended by what the reviewer said, it might be pointed out to him that orchestras are vanishing everywhere and if he wants this one to vanish too, he should keep up the good work. DanP _________________________________________________________________ Gear up for Halo¨ 3 with free downloads and an exclusive offer. http://gethalo3gear.com?ocid=SeptemberWLHalo3_MSNHMTxt_1 ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 13:32:00 -0500 From: "Bill Dinwiddie" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] extreeme high pitched vintage German trombone To: "List Trombone" Message-ID: <009901c7f3d8$e09bf070$0a00a8c0@av> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original (Sorry, I don't know who to address this to because your posting does not contain your name.) I went to Germany in the early '70s and had the opportunity to play several Alexander trombones at the factory in Mainz. I was given to understand that this company made really first class brass instruments. I was astounded to find that every trombone I played that day was one of the worst instruments I have ever played. The overtone series on every horn was so out of whack that I began to get aggravated. These are the demo horns that the Alexander company wants these American visitors to play so that they will be better able to appreciate fine German craftsmanship? They were all crap! Of course, they looked very pretty. I expressed my opinion to the officials of the company and the look of shock on their faces was evident. They must have thought I was insane. Apparently, they never had a German professional trombonist test their instruments, or they would have never let these horns be played by anyone. I'm sorry to hear that you purchased the instrument in question. It doesn't surprise me to hear that the entire horn plays a half step too high. The horns I played back then were totally unusable. I would never consider buying an Alexander instrument as a result of that experience. The horn may sound nice, but I believe that you should go out and buy some lamp cord and a nice energy efficient light bulb. Sorry. Maybe you can sell it on E-Bay. Bill Dinwiddie billdin@comcast.net ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 10:56 AM Subject: [Trombone-l] extreeme high pitched vintage German trombone >I recently purchased a G. Alexander (Mainz) trombone made supposedly in the >70's. There is no tuning slide in either the bell section nor on the main >slide. Although this horn has one of the prettiest sounds that I've every >experienced, it is extremely high pitched--so much so that the positions >need to be played down one full position to get them in tune. This leaves >you with no 7th position, those notes almost being able to be played again >in 1st. My question to the list community is this: how can I salvage this >horn? I'm thinking of having a tuning slide built into the bell section, >like most every other trombone has--but I'm afraid of messing with the >taper that's helping to produce this sweet sound. I'd really like to have >someone customize a slide for this horn with a built in tuning slide...but >I'm ignorant as to who could do such a thing for a decent price. Any >thoughts? > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 11:43:52 -0700 From: "Steve Gamble" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] extreeme high pitched vintage German trombone To: "Bill Dinwiddie" , "List Trombone" Message-ID: <0B5C87139BED1C49B4CFA3563492DD81420529@srv01.tso.local> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Hi Bill, I'm curious. Did you use your own (American) mouthpiece when you were trying the German horns? I've had the same experience regarding the weirdness of some German makes. It turned out that I needed to use the mouthpiece that came with the horn to make is work well. Of course, the mouthpieces were nothing like what I usually played, but that's another story. Steve Gamble, Librarian Tucson Symphony Orchestra 2175 N. 6th Ave. Tucson, AZ 85705 520-792-9155 x118 office 520-792-9314 fax 520-991-7056 cell sgamble@tucsonsymphony.org www.tucsonsymphony.org -----Original Message----- From: trombone-l-bounces@maillists.samford.edu [mailto:trombone-l-bounces@maillists.samford.edu] On Behalf Of Bill Dinwiddie Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 11:32 AM To: List Trombone Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] extreeme high pitched vintage German trombone (Sorry, I don't know who to address this to because your posting does not contain your name.) I went to Germany in the early '70s and had the opportunity to play several Alexander trombones at the factory in Mainz. I was given to understand that this company made really first class brass instruments. I was astounded to find that every trombone I played that day was one of the worst instruments I have ever played. The overtone series on every horn was so out of whack that I began to get aggravated. These are the demo horns that the Alexander company wants these American visitors to play so that they will be better able to appreciate fine German craftsmanship? They were all crap! Of course, they looked very pretty. I expressed my opinion to the officials of the company and the look of shock on their faces was evident. They must have thought I was insane. Apparently, they never had a German professional trombonist test their instruments, or they would have never let these horns be played by anyone. I'm sorry to hear that you purchased the instrument in question. It doesn't surprise me to hear that the entire horn plays a half step too high. The horns I played back then were totally unusable. I would never consider buying an Alexander instrument as a result of that experience. The horn may sound nice, but I believe that you should go out and buy some lamp cord and a nice energy efficient light bulb. Sorry. Maybe you can sell it on E-Bay. Bill Dinwiddie billdin@comcast.net ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 10:56 AM Subject: [Trombone-l] extreeme high pitched vintage German trombone >I recently purchased a G. Alexander (Mainz) trombone made supposedly in the >70's. There is no tuning slide in either the bell section nor on the main >slide. Although this horn has one of the prettiest sounds that I've every >experienced, it is extremely high pitched--so much so that the positions >need to be played down one full position to get them in tune. This leaves >you with no 7th position, those notes almost being able to be played again >in 1st. My question to the list community is this: how can I salvage this >horn? I'm thinking of having a tuning slide built into the bell section, >like most every other trombone has--but I'm afraid of messing with the >taper that's helping to produce this sweet sound. I'd really like to have >someone customize a slide for this horn with a built in tuning slide...but >I'm ignorant as to who could do such a thing for a decent price. Any >thoughts? > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > _______________________________________________ Trombone-l mailing list Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 11:48:45 -0700 From: ALEX ILES Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Conch shell on Reveultas To: "Daniel Pliskin" Cc: TROMBONE-L@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Gotta agree with DanP on this one. It WAS a favorable review of the piece [of the just about the whole concert, in fact!]. His tone was pretty harsh, but I gathered he actually LIKED hearing you play the conch shell!! At least for the novelty of it. He definitely could/should have chosen his words more carefully. My own most memorable bad review came when I was on tour with Maynard Ferguson back in the mid-eighties.... This came from the Washington Post... "The Maynard Ferguson Orchestra displays all the subtlety of pile driver gone berserk in a wind tunnel." Even Maynard loved it! LX ================= On Sep 10, 2007, at 10:19 AM, Daniel Pliskin wrote: > > Raymond, > >> >> ?You don't often see a large man in white tie and tails blowing >> into a >> conch shell (do you think his mother beams, ?My son, the conch >> player!??).? > > >> I wrote a letter to the paper, but I don't know if I should send it. >> Does this just make me sound defensive and pathetic? Here it is: > > > > Considering the general tone of this writing, I believe that you > got a favorable review. And he got to have a bit of fun with you. > > In general, what happens is not what pisses us off. Instead, it?s > our interpretation of what happened, it?s what we make what > happened mean. I believe that you?ve chosen to be offended by > this, when no offense was intended. He?s having fun playing with > words and lots of people enjoy reading those words. And I believe > that you?d come off as more professional, more powerful, more > magnanimous, if you chose to let it slide. > > Now, if I were the pianist, I?d let him know that he should stick > to listening to MIDI files, if all he cares about is getting the > notes right. > > DanP > > _________________________________________________________________ > More photos; more messages; more whatever. Windows Live Hotmail - > NOW with 5GB storage. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/? > locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_5G_0907 > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 14:50:32 -0400 From: Raymond Horton Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Conch shell on Reveultas To: Daniel Pliskin Cc: TROMBONE-L@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <46E591F8.2050802@insightbb.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed To all who have replied: Instead of my original, somewhat angry letter, I sent a personal email to the critic, expressing my surprise that he didn't recognize me. (We have huge jumbo-tron screens, and I know I was on it for my cadenza.) He replied that he truly didn't realize it was me, was so use to seeing me behind a bass trombone, etc. .... So one of the things that bothered me - pretending not to know me - he really didn't. I guess he wasn't looking at the screen. I'm done. Thanks. This was cheaper than going to a shrink. RBH Daniel Pliskin wrote: > > Raymond, > >> >> ?You don't often see a large man in white tie and tails blowing into a >> conch shell (do you think his mother beams, ?My son, the conch >> player!??).? > > >> I wrote a letter to the paper, but I don't know if I should send it. >> Does this just make me sound defensive and pathetic? Here it is: > > > > Considering the general tone of this writing, I believe that you got a > favorable review. ?And he got to have a bit of fun with you. > > In general, what happens is not what pisses us off. Instead, it?s our > interpretation of what happened, it?s what we make what happened mean. > I believe that you?ve chosen to be offended by this, when no offense > was intended. He?s having fun playing with words and lots of people > enjoy reading those words. And I believe that you?d come off as more > professional, more powerful, more magnanimous, if you chose to let it > slide. > > Now, if I were the pianist, I?d let him know that he should stick to > listening to MIDI files, if all he cares about is getting the notes > right. > > DanP > > _________________________________________________________________ > More photos; more messages; more whatever. Windows Live Hotmail - NOW > with 5GB storage. > http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_5G_0907 > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 11:49:43 -0700 From: John Monroe Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Conch shell on Reveultas To: ALEX ILES Cc: TROMBONE-L@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <1B841958-7602-48F9-B7ED-07254132158C@sbcglobal.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Thanks for your comments, Alex! I agree the review was favorable. As a retired techie I am reminded of Bill Hewlett's observation that there is no such thing as bad publicity. Raymond, you might be able to parlay this into a feature article on the unusual demands confronting a professional trombone player. Have some fun with it! John Monroe On Sep 10, 2007, at 11:48 AM, ALEX ILES wrote: > Gotta agree with DanP on this one. It WAS a favorable review of the > piece [of the just about the whole concert, in fact!]. His tone was > pretty harsh, but I gathered he actually LIKED hearing you play the > conch shell!! At least for the novelty of it. > > He definitely could/should have chosen his words more carefully. > > My own most memorable bad review came when I was on tour with Maynard > Ferguson back in the mid-eighties.... > > This came from the Washington Post... > > "The Maynard Ferguson Orchestra displays all the subtlety of pile > driver gone berserk in a wind tunnel." > > Even Maynard loved it! > > LX > ================= > On Sep 10, 2007, at 10:19 AM, Daniel Pliskin wrote: > >> >> Raymond, >> >>> >>> ?You don't often see a large man in white tie and tails blowing >>> into a >>> conch shell (do you think his mother beams, ?My son, the conch >>> player!??).? >> >> >>> I wrote a letter to the paper, but I don't know if I should send it. >>> Does this just make me sound defensive and pathetic? Here it is: >> >> >> >> Considering the general tone of this writing, I believe that you >> got a favorable review. And he got to have a bit of fun with you. >> >> In general, what happens is not what pisses us off. Instead, it?s >> our interpretation of what happened, it?s what we make what >> happened mean. I believe that you?ve chosen to be offended by >> this, when no offense was intended. He?s having fun playing with >> words and lots of people enjoy reading those words. And I believe >> that you?d come off as more professional, more powerful, more >> magnanimous, if you chose to let it slide. >> >> Now, if I were the pianist, I?d let him know that he should stick >> to listening to MIDI files, if all he cares about is getting the >> notes right. >> >> DanP >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> More photos; more messages; more whatever. Windows Live Hotmail - >> NOW with 5GB storage. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/? >> locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_5G_0907 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Trombone-l mailing list >> Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu >> http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 12:06:45 -0700 From: "Michael Millar" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Conch shell on Reveultas To: "ALEX ILES" , "Daniel Pliskin" Cc: TROMBONE-L@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <010001c7f3dd$bb354160$6501a8c0@michaelmmgb3j7> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Great quote, Alex! At least he slammed the band with style! For an entertaining collection of bad reviews, check out Nicolas Slonimsky's "Lexicon of Musical Invective: Critical assaults on Composers Since Beethoven's Time." Example: "Beethoven's Second Symphony is a crass monster, a hideously writhing wounded dragon, that refuses to expire, and though bleeding in the finale, furiously beats around with its tail erect." MWM ============================================= Dr. Michael W. Millar Valencia, CA ----- Original Message ----- From: "ALEX ILES" To: "Daniel Pliskin" Cc: Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 11:48 AM Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Conch shell on Reveultas Gotta agree with DanP on this one. It WAS a favorable review of the piece [of the just about the whole concert, in fact!]. His tone was pretty harsh, but I gathered he actually LIKED hearing you play the conch shell!! At least for the novelty of it. He definitely could/should have chosen his words more carefully. My own most memorable bad review came when I was on tour with Maynard Ferguson back in the mid-eighties.... This came from the Washington Post... "The Maynard Ferguson Orchestra displays all the subtlety of pile driver gone berserk in a wind tunnel." Even Maynard loved it! LX ================= On Sep 10, 2007, at 10:19 AM, Daniel Pliskin wrote: > > Raymond, > >> >> ?You don't often see a large man in white tie and tails blowing >> into a >> conch shell (do you think his mother beams, ?My son, the conch >> player!??).? > > >> I wrote a letter to the paper, but I don't know if I should send it. >> Does this just make me sound defensive and pathetic? Here it is: > > > > Considering the general tone of this writing, I believe that you > got a favorable review. And he got to have a bit of fun with you. > > In general, what happens is not what pisses us off. Instead, it?s > our interpretation of what happened, it?s what we make what > happened mean. I believe that you?ve chosen to be offended by > this, when no offense was intended. He?s having fun playing with > words and lots of people enjoy reading those words. And I believe > that you?d come off as more professional, more powerful, more > magnanimous, if you chose to let it slide. > > Now, if I were the pianist, I?d let him know that he should stick > to listening to MIDI files, if all he cares about is getting the > notes right. > > DanP > > _________________________________________________________________ > More photos; more messages; more whatever. Windows Live Hotmail - > NOW with 5GB storage. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/? > locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_5G_0907 > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l _______________________________________________ Trombone-l mailing list Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 16:10:39 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Wes Funderburk Subject: [Trombone-l] Blog Song Sheet Music for Sale!! To: trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <13637979.1189455039495.JavaMail.root@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 16:16:17 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Wes Funderburk Subject: [Trombone-l] Blog Song Sheet Music For Sale!! 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Wes Funderburk http://www.funderbone.com ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 14:23:08 -0800 From: "Gary Maxwell" Subject: [Trombone-l] Adrian & Sam Thanks! To: Message-ID: <000a01c7f3f9$2cad4e30$4001a8c0@DFXN9451> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Guinness and Moon Pie are GOOD!!!!! Happy and Funny, and Thanks! Gary Maxwell FuchsBone/Bassbone ""When LIFE throws you a lemon, throw it right back. HARDER!"" ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 17:15:30 -0500 From: "Bill Dinwiddie" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] extreeme high pitched vintage German trombone To: "Steve Gamble" Cc: List Trombone Message-ID: <001601c7f3f8$19c26e00$0a00a8c0@av> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Steve, To be honest, this happened so long ago, that I cannot remember what mouthpiece I used. However, there were plenty of Alexander employees standing around while this was going on and I would be surprised if one of them hadn't suggested that I use their mouthpiece. I would certainly have done that if it would have made the horn more playable. I stated my opinion very directly and I remember that many of the Germans around spoke very good English, so it was not a language problem. You are certainly correct that the mouthpiece could have made a big difference. Bill Dinwiddie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Gamble" To: "Bill Dinwiddie" ; "List Trombone" Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 1:43 PM Subject: RE: [Trombone-l] extreeme high pitched vintage German trombone Hi Bill, I'm curious. Did you use your own (American) mouthpiece when you were trying the German horns? I've had the same experience regarding the weirdness of some German makes. It turned out that I needed to use the mouthpiece that came with the horn to make is work well. Of course, the mouthpieces were nothing like what I usually played, but that's another story. Steve Gamble, Librarian Tucson Symphony Orchestra 2175 N. 6th Ave. Tucson, AZ 85705 520-792-9155 x118 office 520-792-9314 fax 520-991-7056 cell sgamble@tucsonsymphony.org www.tucsonsymphony.org -----Original Message----- From: trombone-l-bounces@maillists.samford.edu [mailto:trombone-l-bounces@maillists.samford.edu] On Behalf Of Bill Dinwiddie Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 11:32 AM To: List Trombone Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] extreeme high pitched vintage German trombone (Sorry, I don't know who to address this to because your posting does not contain your name.) I went to Germany in the early '70s and had the opportunity to play several Alexander trombones at the factory in Mainz. I was given to understand that this company made really first class brass instruments. I was astounded to find that every trombone I played that day was one of the worst instruments I have ever played. The overtone series on every horn was so out of whack that I began to get aggravated. These are the demo horns that the Alexander company wants these American visitors to play so that they will be better able to appreciate fine German craftsmanship? They were all crap! Of course, they looked very pretty. I expressed my opinion to the officials of the company and the look of shock on their faces was evident. They must have thought I was insane. Apparently, they never had a German professional trombonist test their instruments, or they would have never let these horns be played by anyone. I'm sorry to hear that you purchased the instrument in question. It doesn't surprise me to hear that the entire horn plays a half step too high. The horns I played back then were totally unusable. I would never consider buying an Alexander instrument as a result of that experience. The horn may sound nice, but I believe that you should go out and buy some lamp cord and a nice energy efficient light bulb. Sorry. Maybe you can sell it on E-Bay. Bill Dinwiddie billdin@comcast.net ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 10:56 AM Subject: [Trombone-l] extreeme high pitched vintage German trombone >I recently purchased a G. Alexander (Mainz) trombone made supposedly in the >70's. There is no tuning slide in either the bell section nor on the main >slide. Although this horn has one of the prettiest sounds that I've every >experienced, it is extremely high pitched--so much so that the positions >need to be played down one full position to get them in tune. This leaves >you with no 7th position, those notes almost being able to be played again >in 1st. My question to the list community is this: how can I salvage this >horn? I'm thinking of having a tuning slide built into the bell section, >like most every other trombone has--but I'm afraid of messing with the >taper that's helping to produce this sweet sound. I'd really like to have >someone customize a slide for this horn with a built in tuning slide...but >I'm ignorant as to who could do such a thing for a decent price. Any >thoughts? > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > _______________________________________________ Trombone-l mailing list Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 18:21:47 -0500 From: "Bill Dinwiddie" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] extreeme high pitched vintage German trombone To: "dan noyes" Cc: List Trombone Message-ID: <000601c7f401$5c2260d0$0a00a8c0@av> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Sorry Dan, I don't remember about the tuning slide either. This was over 30 years ago. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "dan noyes" To: "'Bill Dinwiddie'" Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 6:16 PM Subject: RE: [Trombone-l] extreeme high pitched vintage German trombone > Bill, > Do you remember if those horns had a tuning slide? My Alexander came with > a > strange, very shallow cupped mouthpiece that made it sound awful. But my > Wick 6BS worked fine, except for the pitch thing. The pitch of the Wick > however matched the pitch of the mouthpiece that came with the horn. I > don't really think the mouthpiece is an issue with the pitch problem of > this > horn. I don't think that this horn has been modified either, but can't be > sure. > Dan > > -----Original Message----- > From: trombone-l-bounces@maillists.samford.edu > [mailto:trombone-l-bounces@maillists.samford.edu] On Behalf Of Bill > Dinwiddie > Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 6:16 PM > To: Steve Gamble > Cc: List Trombone > Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] extreeme high pitched vintage German trombone > > Steve, > > To be honest, this happened so long ago, that I cannot remember what > mouthpiece I used. However, there were plenty of Alexander employees > standing around while this was going on and I would be surprised if one of > them hadn't suggested that I use their mouthpiece. I would certainly have > done that if it would have made the horn more playable. I stated my > opinion > very directly and I remember that many of the Germans around spoke very > good > > English, so it was not a language problem. You are certainly correct that > the mouthpiece could have made a big difference. > > Bill Dinwiddie > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve Gamble" > To: "Bill Dinwiddie" ; "List Trombone" > > Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 1:43 PM > Subject: RE: [Trombone-l] extreeme high pitched vintage German trombone > > > Hi Bill, > > I'm curious. Did you use your own (American) mouthpiece when you were > trying the German horns? I've had the same experience regarding the > weirdness of some German makes. It turned out that I needed to use the > mouthpiece that came with the horn to make is work well. Of course, the > mouthpieces were nothing like what I usually played, but that's another > story. > > Steve Gamble, Librarian > Tucson Symphony Orchestra > 2175 N. 6th Ave. > Tucson, AZ 85705 > 520-792-9155 x118 office > 520-792-9314 fax > 520-991-7056 cell > sgamble@tucsonsymphony.org > www.tucsonsymphony.org > > -----Original Message----- > From: trombone-l-bounces@maillists.samford.edu > [mailto:trombone-l-bounces@maillists.samford.edu] On Behalf Of Bill > Dinwiddie > Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 11:32 AM > To: List Trombone > Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] extreeme high pitched vintage German trombone > > (Sorry, I don't know who to address this to because your posting does > not > contain your name.) > > I went to Germany in the early '70s and had the opportunity to play > several > Alexander trombones at the factory in Mainz. I was given to understand > that > this company made really first class brass instruments. I was astounded > to > find that every trombone I played that day was one of the worst > instruments > I have ever played. The overtone series on every horn was so out of > whack > that I began to get aggravated. These are the demo horns that the > Alexander > company wants these American visitors to play so that they will be > better > able to appreciate fine German craftsmanship? They were all crap! Of > course, > they looked very pretty. I expressed my opinion to the officials of the > company and the look of shock on their faces was evident. They must have > > thought I was insane. Apparently, they never had a German professional > trombonist test their instruments, or they would have never let these > horns > be played by anyone. I'm sorry to hear that you purchased the instrument > in > question. It doesn't surprise me to hear that the entire horn plays a > half > step too high. The horns I played back then were totally unusable. I > would > never consider buying an Alexander instrument as a result of that > experience. > > The horn may sound nice, but I believe that you should go out and buy > some > lamp cord and a nice energy efficient light bulb. Sorry. Maybe you can > sell > it on E-Bay. > > Bill Dinwiddie > billdin@comcast.net > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 10:56 AM > Subject: [Trombone-l] extreeme high pitched vintage German trombone > > >>I recently purchased a G. Alexander (Mainz) trombone made supposedly in > the >>70's. There is no tuning slide in either the bell section nor on the > main >>slide. Although this horn has one of the prettiest sounds that I've > every >>experienced, it is extremely high pitched--so much so that the > positions >>need to be played down one full position to get them in tune. This > leaves >>you with no 7th position, those notes almost being able to be played > again >>in 1st. My question to the list community is this: how can I salvage > this >>horn? I'm thinking of having a tuning slide built into the bell > section, >>like most every other trombone has--but I'm afraid of messing with the >>taper that's helping to produce this sweet sound. I'd really like to > have >>someone customize a slide for this horn with a built in tuning > slide...but >>I'm ignorant as to who could do such a thing for a decent price. Any >>thoughts? >> _______________________________________________ >> Trombone-l mailing list >> Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu >> http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > > ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 17:40:28 -0600 From: Dennis Clason Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] extreeme high pitched vintage German trombone To: List Trombone Message-ID: <46E5D5EC.7020301@nmsu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I can't speak to Alex 'bones, but the tuba player in a quintet I played in for 3 years had a five-valve Alex CC. The sound of the tuba was wonderful, but the pitch was atrocious. He was constantly pulling slides, pushing slides, using alternate fingerings, etc. He was moving slides to the point that I asked him after a wedding gig which of us was the trombonist. He finally got an Elliot mouthpiece with several backbores and cups. When he found the right mouthpiece for him and the horn, everything was fine. The partials lined up in the usual way (E was flat, a bit, G was almost spot-on, C's were bang on). He sold the Alex about a year later in favor of a Saunders CC. I never understood that -- all that work and expense to get the Alex to play to its potential, then -- Poof! sell it. Dennis ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 17:14:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Phil Burton Subject: [Trombone-l] Yamaha 651 To: Trombone List Message-ID: <948699.18409.qm@web33102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Does anyone know if these are decent horns? My local HS band teacher has a student who is trying to sell it. I have not seen it yet, nor played it either. Phil ____________________________________________________________________________________ Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 18:22:55 -0600 From: Earl Needham Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] FW: "In the Shadow of the Moon" To: trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <200709110023.l8B0NC2i026182@server5.samford.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed "Good luck, Mr. Gorsky." At 09:12 AM 9/10/2007, Eric Edwards wrote: >Either that or wanting to know what he REALLY wanted to shout after stepping >off the ladder. > >Eric > > >Eric, Leandra, Sara, Jared & Lily >Edwards >"The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of low >price has faded" > >-----Original Message----- >From: trombone-l-bounces@server5.samford.edu >[mailto:trombone-l-bounces@server5.samford.edu]On Behalf Of Daniel Pliskin >Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 9:59 AM >To: trombone-l@server5.samford.edu >Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] "In the Shadow of the Moon" > > > > > > From what I understand, he all but went into seclusion as > >soon as he was able. > > > > I can't blame him -- can you imagine the hordes of people > >who want to talk to, or touch the "first man on the moon"? > > > >I think hes just tired of being asked to do the moon dance. > >DanP ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 23:00:21 -0500 From: Eric & Candice Swanson Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] extreeme high pitched vintage German trombone To: trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <46E612D5.4010800@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed dahmnoyes@tampabay.rr.com wrote: >I recently purchased a G. Alexander (Mainz) trombone made supposedly in the 70's. There is no tuning slide in either the bell section nor on the main slide. Although this horn has one of the prettiest sounds that I've every experienced, it is extremely high pitched--so much so that the positions need to be played down one full position to get them in tune. This leaves you with no 7th position, those notes almost being able to be played again in 1st. My question to the list community is this: how can I salvage this horn? I'm thinking of having a tuning slide built into the bell section, like most every other trombone has--but I'm afraid of messing with the taper that's helping to produce this sweet sound. I'd really like to have someone customize a slide for this horn with a built in tuning slide...but I'm ignorant as to who could do such a thing for a decent price. Any thoughts? > > Since it sounds like it is unplayable the way it is, you don't have anything to lose. You could probably install a tuning slide in the bell section which could also lower the pitch of the horn down to A440. It would be difficult but not impossible for a really good repair technician. Another, easier, way to go would be to add a tuning slide to the end of the hand slide. Might be a little slide heavy that way, but could be fairly easy and cheap if you can find parts the right size. Eric Swanson ------------------------------ Message: 20 Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 22:52:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Izzo Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] extreeme high pitched vintage German trombone To: dahmnoyes@tampabay.rr.com, trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <920183.71543.qm@web52704.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 --- dahmnoyes@tampabay.rr.com wrote: > I recently purchased a G. Alexander (Mainz) trombone > made supposedly in the 70's. There is no tuning > slide in either the bell section nor on the main > slide. Although this horn has one of the prettiest > sounds that I've every experienced, it is extremely > high pitched--so much so that the positions need to > be played down one full position to get them in > tune. This leaves you with no 7th position, those > notes almost being able to be played again in 1st. > My question to the list community is this: how can I > salvage this horn? I'm thinking of having a tuning > slide built into the bell section, like most every > other trombone has--but I'm afraid of messing with > the taper that's helping to produce this sweet > sound. I'd really like to have someone customize a > slide for this horn with a built in tuning > slide...but I'm ignorant as to who could do such a > thing for a decent price. Any thoughts? > ______________________________________________ I don't own an Alex, but.......... I have several other German Trbs, that have what the Trumpet players call "tuneable bells". Where your bell section connects to the slide section, is there a knurled knob (as in American Trbs), or a wing nut? My German Trbs (Thein & Meinlschmidt) both have the wing nut variety. The wing nut tightens around a longish connecting "pipe". This is the tuning "slide" as it were. My Bb Thein can tune a full tone lower to Ab, The Meinl is in C & can be pulled to nearly Bb. Tom _ Tom Izzo Principal Trombonist, Bristol Renaissance Faire; Bass Trombonist, West Suburban Symphony Orchestra; Founding Director, The Naperville Area Trombone Ensemble; Alto/Tenor/Bass/Contrabass Trombones, Tubas, Euphonium, Bass Trumpet, Electric Bass, Timpani & Percussion. http://www.Geocities.com/Vienna/Studio/7875/ (630) 765-0154 ____________________________________________________________________________________ Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 ------------------------------ Message: 21 Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 02:39:00 -0500 From: Dave Tall Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Conch shell on Reveultas Cc: List Trombone Message-ID: <46E64614.4020506@btrb.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed I agree with Dave Buckley. He actually didn't critique your conch performance, either positively or negatively. I think he was looking for a clever way to note the unusual event of someone playing a conch shell, and the even more unusual situation where it is being played at a symphony concert. The "do you think his mother beams..." strikes me as a maladroit, snarky way of commenting on the rarity. He's probably something of a smartass. Plus, he has column inches to fill. He noticed you, he commented on you, and he didn't say anything negative about your conch playing. I'd give it a pass. Years ago at a day job something negative happened between me and a client. I was incensed. I wrote a steaming, vituperative letter to the client. I passed it by my manager. He read it, and said that I should rewrite it for clarity as to what the infraction was and to remove any frankly libelious statements. I did so and sent him the new version. He said "OK, now throw it away. You can't send that. Writing it makes you feel better; sending it would compound the damage." I can't remember what the event was, but I can still remember how angry I was about it and how proud I was of the letter. I've done this a number of times over the years: write the letter in the heat of anger, let it sit for a couple of days "to be edited", read it again. I've sent very few of these, but writing them did make me feel better. That manager fellow was pretty smart! David W. Buckley wrote: > The statement, "never argue with someone who buys ink by the barrel" seems > appropraite here. He clearly was just trying to be a smartass and make his > column interesting to the general public. > > Dave Buckley. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Raymond Horton" > To: "List Trombone" > Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 8:27 AM > Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Conch shell on Reveultas > > > OK, remember about three weeks ago when I was asking for advice on the > conch shell part on Revueltas "La Noche de los Mayas?" I got some very > helpful advice from the list - particularly Jeff Albert and Jackie > Harris-Stone. I practiced the shell, and was ready for my four-bar > cadenza, (wailed a couple of high E's - you guys would have been proud > of this bass trombonist) and the whole thing went absolutely superbly. > So this is what I get to read in the paper, in the midst of a favorable > review (you can see the whole review at: > > > > > ?You don't often see a large man in white tie and tails blowing into a > conch shell (do you think his mother beams, ?My son, the conch player!??).? > > This reviewer is a really snide person whom I have known for years - > he's been in my house. He really thinks he is hot stuff, I guess because > he is the nephew of a famous composer with the same last name. Years > ago, when the paper would print the reviewers "credentials" at the top > of their reviews, his would read "Mr Adler took a music appreciation > course at Eastman School of Music." > > > I wrote a letter to the paper, but I don't know if I should send it. > Does this just make me sound defensive and pathetic? Here it is: > > ------------- > > To the Editor of the _/Courier-Journal_/: > > Right in the midst of reading Andrew Adler?s positive review of a > glorious night by the Louisville Orchestra (?Fanfara is a full and > fabulous night of fun? September 8 SCENE) I was surprised to read a > rather odd, humorous reference to myself: ?You don't often see a large > man in white tie and tails blowing into a conch shell (do you think his > mother beams, ?My son, the conch player!??).? I don?t know why the > comment bothered me (perhaps because my mother passed away this last > March, but yes, she was proud of me). The comment would be bad enough if > I were, indeed, a lonely conch player, waiting by the phone for my next > gig, but Andrew knows me ? I have been Bass Trombonist of the Louisville > Orchestra for a third of a century, have played in a solo capacity with > the orchestra on bass trombone and euphonium (according to my scrapbook, > he called my euphonium playing a ?modest astonishment,? whatever that > means), have had compositions performed by the LO and other groups in > town (two that Andrew reviewed ? he liked one, sort of passed on the > other). No, not a lonely conch player, I was just handed the shell three > weeks ago (it often falls to the bass trombonist, since the Revueltas > work we were performing has no part for our instrument) and asked to > learn to play it. I researched the instrument, listened to other players > and recordings, practiced it, and did as much with the part and my > improvised four-bar cadenza as I possibly could. Afterwards, musicians, > conductor, and members of the audience complimented me for it, a > composer offered to write for me and the instrument (I had to tell him I > had already packed it up to send it back), and, oh yes, I read the > ridicule of myself and my mom in the paper. I suppose some try to make > the most of their opportunities, some don?t. > > Raymond Horton > Bass Trombonist > Louisville Orchestra > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > > > ------------------------------ Message: 22 Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 09:08:00 +0100 From: "Adrian Drover" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Conch shell on Reveultas To: "'List Trombone'" Message-ID: <000901c7f44a$df909420$6400a8c0@Adrian> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Jeez! I can't believe what I'm reading in this thread. Is there some kind of Academy degree one has to pass in conch shell performance before one is fit to play it on a freakin' gig? A. ------------------------------ Message: 23 Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 09:06:33 -0400 From: "Matt Plummer" Subject: [Trombone-l] Yamaha YSL-684G For Sale To: trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <91050af10709110606h7213d305id129d7d6b1d37583@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 hello, I'm selling a Yamaha YSL-684G tenor trombone in good condition, purchased in 1995 and not used since 1998. This professional horn is perfect for an advanced student or a professional looking for a mid-sized bore, .525. It has a F trigger with mechanical linkage. It comes with its original, compact, light case. There are a couple dings on the bell, some lacquor worn off in certain areas, and it needs a basic slide realignment ($50-100 of work)... otherwise in great shape. *The price:* Make an offer and we'll proceed from there. I'm in Brooklyn, but I can drop it off anywhere in the city and I'm also willing to look into shipping options. Pictures are on the craigslist ad: http://newyork.craigslist.org/brk/msg/419490685.html Thanks, Matt ------------------------------ Message: 24 Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 10:18:13 -0300 (ART) From: Hugo Garc?a Sampedro Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] extreeme high pitched vintage German trombone To: swan325@earthlink.net, trombone list , trombone List Message-ID: <545261.63207.qm@web50511.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hello What kind of system has that german trombone to attach the slide to the bell section? It's a regular one with a "nut" (like bach or conn for instance) or it has a little clamp with a screw? Concerning German trombones I'm familiar with this second system... also I have seen some of them with a very long "left slide tube" (the returning one)... around 10cm (or more) longer than the right one, that attaches the bell section also in a much LONGER position than USA style horns do... so I'm guessing if that trombone is not missing something in there to be so bad tuned... It?s difficult to imagine that G. Alexander (Mainz) made something "out of tune"... Another possibility (but it's difficult to figure without a picture at least) is to add something there (in the slide / bell joint area) to put it back in tune again... the same kind of tuning system that some trumpets have (schilke?)... and that (if possible) wouldn?t be a so "drastic" surgery for the horn! Good Luck -Hugo GS --- Eric & Candice Swanson escribi?: > dahmnoyes@tampabay.rr.com wrote: > > >I recently purchased a G. Alexander (Mainz) > trombone made supposedly in the 70's. There is no > tuning slide in either the bell section nor on the > main slide. Although this horn has one of the > prettiest sounds that I've every experienced, it is > extremely high pitched--so much so that the > positions need to be played down one full position > to get them in tune. This leaves you with no 7th > position, those notes almost being able to be played > again in 1st. My question to the list community is > this: how can I salvage this horn? I'm thinking of > having a tuning slide built into the bell section, > like most every other trombone has--but I'm afraid > of messing with the taper that's helping to produce > this sweet sound. I'd really like to have someone > customize a slide for this horn with a built in > tuning slide...but I'm ignorant as to who could do > such a thing for a decent price. Any thoughts? > > > > > > Since it sounds like it is unplayable the way it is, > you don't have > anything to lose. You could probably install a > tuning slide in the bell > section which could also lower the pitch of the horn > down to A440. It > would be difficult but not impossible for a really > good repair > technician. Another, easier, way to go would be to > add a tuning slide > to the end of the hand slide. Might be a little > slide heavy that way, > but could be fairly easy and cheap if you can find > parts the right size. > > Eric Swanson > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > Los referentes m?s importantes en compra/ venta de autos se juntaron: Demotores y Yahoo! Ahora comprar o vender tu auto es m?s f?cil. Vist? ar.autos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 25 Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 10:18:13 -0300 (ART) From: Hugo Garc?a Sampedro Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] extreeme high pitched vintage German trombone To: swan325@earthlink.net, trombone list , trombone List Message-ID: <545261.63207.qm@web50511.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hello What kind of system has that german trombone to attach the slide to the bell section? It's a regular one with a "nut" (like bach or conn for instance) or it has a little clamp with a screw? Concerning German trombones I'm familiar with this second system... also I have seen some of them with a very long "left slide tube" (the returning one)... around 10cm (or more) longer than the right one, that attaches the bell section also in a much LONGER position than USA style horns do... so I'm guessing if that trombone is not missing something in there to be so bad tuned... It?s difficult to imagine that G. Alexander (Mainz) made something "out of tune"... Another possibility (but it's difficult to figure without a picture at least) is to add something there (in the slide / bell joint area) to put it back in tune again... the same kind of tuning system that some trumpets have (schilke?)... and that (if possible) wouldn?t be a so "drastic" surgery for the horn! Good Luck -Hugo GS --- Eric & Candice Swanson escribi?: > dahmnoyes@tampabay.rr.com wrote: > > >I recently purchased a G. Alexander (Mainz) > trombone made supposedly in the 70's. There is no > tuning slide in either the bell section nor on the > main slide. Although this horn has one of the > prettiest sounds that I've every experienced, it is > extremely high pitched--so much so that the > positions need to be played down one full position > to get them in tune. This leaves you with no 7th > position, those notes almost being able to be played > again in 1st. My question to the list community is > this: how can I salvage this horn? I'm thinking of > having a tuning slide built into the bell section, > like most every other trombone has--but I'm afraid > of messing with the taper that's helping to produce > this sweet sound. I'd really like to have someone > customize a slide for this horn with a built in > tuning slide...but I'm ignorant as to who could do > such a thing for a decent price. Any thoughts? > > > > > > Since it sounds like it is unplayable the way it is, > you don't have > anything to lose. You could probably install a > tuning slide in the bell > section which could also lower the pitch of the horn > down to A440. It > would be difficult but not impossible for a really > good repair > technician. Another, easier, way to go would be to > add a tuning slide > to the end of the hand slide. Might be a little > slide heavy that way, > but could be fairly easy and cheap if you can find > parts the right size. > > Eric Swanson > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > Los referentes m?s importantes en compra/ venta de autos se juntaron: Demotores y Yahoo! Ahora comprar o vender tu auto es m?s f?cil. Vist? ar.autos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 26 Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 11:00:33 -0400 From: "Joseph Jacob" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Yamaha 651 To: "Phil Burton" Cc: Trombone List Message-ID: <7e04effc0709110800y71c9c6b3m57a1bd9e6706425@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 This was Yamaha's first (or one if its first) professional jazz horn, made from 1969-1975. It was more or less a copy of the Conn 6H, with an 8-inch bell and a .500 bore. After 1975 it gave way to the 653, which in turn gave way to the current 691. I owned one for a while - nice horn. Joe Jacob On 9/10/07, Phil Burton wrote: > > Does anyone know if these are decent horns? My local HS band teacher has > a student who is trying to sell it. I have not seen it yet, nor played it > either. > > Phil > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user > panel and lay it on us. > http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > ------------------------------ Message: 27 Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 12:19:17 EDT From: LarryL595@aol.com Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Yamaha 651 To: trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" In a message dated 10/09/2007 8:15:27 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, gtfphil@yahoo.com writes: Does anyone know if these are decent horns? My local HS band teacher has a student who is trying to sell it. I have not seen it yet, nor played it either. Phil I still own a 651 that I bought new. It plays 'big' for a 0.500 bore. A very nice horn. Has a rose bell and nickel slide. Larry Lerner ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Message: 28 Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 17:56:29 +0100 From: "Keith Marr" Subject: [Trombone-l] To avoid constant cleaning of silverplate To: Message-ID: <003801c7f494$b335e7a0$1b01a8c0@new70e71fdbcec> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I have an old silver plated peashooter on my study wall. I have the chore of cleaning the silverplating at fairly regular intervals which is a bit frustrating for something which is no better than an ornament (slide is worse than the worst you ever saw!). Does anyone have any ideas of something I could either coat it with or spray on it while it's clean so that it stays shiny? It was made by Philpot's of Luton here in the UK for those interested. Although they are an electro-plating company these days they apparently made musical instruments from 1918 into the 1950s. That's the only reason I bought it because it can't be played, I live nearby! Cheers! Keith in Bb/F/D Bass Trombone St Albans Symphony Orchestra North Herts Big Band ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Trombone-l mailing list Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l End of Trombone-l Digest, Vol 32, Issue 10 ******************************************