Subject: Trombone-l Digest, Vol 26, Issue 3 Date: Saturday, March 3, 2007 12:00 PM From: trombone-l-request@maillists.samford.edu Reply-To: trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu To: Conversation: Trombone-l Digest, Vol 26, Issue 3 Send Trombone-l mailing list submissions to trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to trombone-l-request@maillists.samford.edu You can reach the person managing the list at trombone-l-owner@maillists.samford.edu When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Trombone-l digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Bumblebee (jimandcat@juno.com) 2. Re: Bumblebee (Michael Millar) 3. Carry-On Instruments (Bill Dinwiddie) 4. Re: Carry-On Instruments (Josh Kane) 5. Re: Carry-On Instruments (Phil Burton) 6. Re: Carry-On Instruments (Jeff Albert) 7. Re: Conn 10H (Howard Spindel) 8. Re: Carry-On Instruments (John Jensen) 9. King New Proportion trombone (John Jensen) 10. Trio Hidas at Peabody March 27 (DAVID FETTER) 11. Jazz Musician (Phil Burton) 12. Re: Carry-On Instruments (Adrian Drover) 13. Re: Carry-On Instruments (sabutin) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 11:14:44 -0800 From: jimandcat@juno.com Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Bumblebee To: trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <20070302.111444.3252.4.Jimandcat@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I think I prefer this version. As precise as the robot, but not robotic. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUij8FCg0z8&NR ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 11:49:35 -0800 From: "Michael Millar" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Bumblebee To: , Message-ID: <00b601c75d03$e7e94ce0$6601a8c0@michaelmmgb3j7> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original You can also try one from my former boss, Harry James: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkZ2qOpPZXc&mode=related&search= Michael Millar ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 11:14 AM Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Bumblebee >I think I prefer this version. As precise as the robot, but not robotic. > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUij8FCg0z8&NR > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 16:41:20 -0600 From: "Bill Dinwiddie" Subject: [Trombone-l] Carry-On Instruments To: "List Trombone" Message-ID: <001701c75d1b$e5f00100$0a00a8c0@av> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Has anyone else received an e-mail similar to this one: "For years, AFM members have had problems bringing musical instruments aboard planes as carry-on luggage. Recently, discussions with the airlines trade association and Congress have picked up to the point where an acceptable solution to the problem is possible. However, we need to show that there is urgency to the problem. We would appreciate it if you would describe your recent experiences when traveling with instruments to us so we can show the seriousness of the situation for musicians. Please send your recent airline experience to me at tperetti@afm.org. Thank you." It looks legit, but there are so many scams on the net these days that I am a little wary of responding to anything that comes in unsolicited. It seems like they would have sent out a snail mail letter, on genuine Union stationery, if this is for real. We certainly need better policies for musicians travelling by air, and I hope the Union is getting some action from the Feds, but I really don't want to get involoved with some scam artist. Bill Dinwiddie billdin@comcast.net ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 17:47:46 -0500 From: Josh Kane Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Carry-On Instruments To: "Bill Dinwiddie" Cc: List Trombone Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed it is legit. I read an article about it in the AFM Journal from maybe 2 months ago. Josh On Mar 2, 2007, at 5:41 PM, Bill Dinwiddie wrote: > Has anyone else received an e-mail similar to this one: > > "For years, AFM members have had problems bringing musical instruments > aboard planes as carry-on luggage. Recently, discussions with the > airlines > trade association and Congress have picked up to the point where an > acceptable solution to the problem is possible. However, we need to > show > that there is urgency to the problem. We would appreciate it if you > would > describe your recent experiences when traveling with instruments to > us so we > can show the seriousness of the situation for musicians. Please > send your > recent airline experience to me at tperetti@afm.org. Thank you." > > It looks legit, but there are so many scams on the net these days > that I am > a little wary of responding to anything that comes in unsolicited. > It seems > like they would have sent out a snail mail letter, on genuine Union > stationery, if this is for real. > > We certainly need better policies for musicians travelling by air, > and I > hope the Union is getting some action from the Feds, but I really > don't want > to get involoved with some scam artist. > > Bill Dinwiddie > billdin@comcast.net > > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 15:03:46 -0800 (PST) From: Phil Burton Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Carry-On Instruments To: List Trombone Cc: tperetti@afm.org Message-ID: <535127.50825.qm@web33113.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Bill and others on the list. The only thing that I have heard, besides this message which arrived today also, is that the AFM has received numerous complaints about Delta Airlines Agents refusing musicians to carry on their instruments, and that they wanted to to be notified if and when it happened. Prior to 9/11 I did the "gate check" on my horn when I flew, and it worked out fine. Since then, I pack the case inside a Golf bag luggage carrier, and have had no problems. Phil Burton AFM Local 642 ----- Original Message ---- From: Bill Dinwiddie To: List Trombone Sent: Friday, March 2, 2007 3:41:20 PM Subject: [Trombone-l] Carry-On Instruments Has anyone else received an e-mail similar to this one: "For years, AFM members have had problems bringing musical instruments aboard planes as carry-on luggage. Recently, discussions with the airlines trade association and Congress have picked up to the point where an acceptable solution to the problem is possible. However, we need to show that there is urgency to the problem. We would appreciate it if you would describe your recent experiences when traveling with instruments to us so we can show the seriousness of the situation for musicians. Please send your recent airline experience to me at tperetti@afm.org. Thank you." It looks legit, but there are so many scams on the net these days that I am a little wary of responding to anything that comes in unsolicited. It seems like they would have sent out a snail mail letter, on genuine Union stationery, if this is for real. We certainly need better policies for musicians travelling by air, and I hope the Union is getting some action from the Feds, but I really don't want to get involoved with some scam artist. Bill Dinwiddie billdin@comcast.net _______________________________________________ Trombone-l mailing list Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ____________________________________________________________________________________ We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/265 ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 17:13:06 -0600 From: "Jeff Albert" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Carry-On Instruments To: "Bill Dinwiddie" Cc: List Trombone Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I am pretty sure the email is legit. I don't think a scammer would have an @afm.org email address. I have had to fly to gigs three or four times in the last couple of months, and it has really been pretty mellow. A couple of times on Southwest, some US Air, and even a Delta (although it was one of the commuter things that are run by a subsidiary). It has all been peaceful from the TSA and the airlines. I have an Eastman case that I carry on. It is even red, and hasn't even gotten a second look from people at the gate. Actually one time leaving New Orleans, I didn't realize that the flight was a small commuter jet (which I always have to gate check on) and the ticket agent and flight attendant let me on the plane with the trombone. I had to get back off and gate check it when it didn't fit. In the old days they would have stopped me and told me that it wouldn't fit before I hit the jetway. Jeff On 3/2/07, Bill Dinwiddie wrote: > > Has anyone else received an e-mail similar to this one: > > "For years, AFM members have had problems bringing musical instruments > aboard planes as carry-on luggage. Recently, discussions with the airlines > trade association and Congress have picked up to the point where an > acceptable solution to the problem is possible. However, we need to show > that there is urgency to the problem. We would appreciate it if you would > describe your recent experiences when traveling with instruments to us so > we > can show the seriousness of the situation for musicians. Please send your > recent airline experience to me at tperetti@afm.org. Thank you." > > It looks legit, but there are so many scams on the net these days that I > am > a little wary of responding to anything that comes in unsolicited. It > seems > like they would have sent out a snail mail letter, on genuine Union > stationery, if this is for real. > > We certainly need better policies for musicians travelling by air, and I > hope the Union is getting some action from the Feds, but I really don't > want > to get involoved with some scam artist. > > Bill Dinwiddie > billdin@comcast.net > > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > -- www.jeffalbert.com www.scratchmybrain.com www.pepperenterprises.com ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2007 15:31:33 -0800 From: Howard Spindel Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Conn 10H To: Raymond Horton , TROMBONE-L@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.2.20070302152900.04055ce8@sci1.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed There are 2 different 10H, with different specs. See these pages: http://www.xs4all.nl/~cderksen/Conn10H1920image.html http://www.xs4all.nl/~cderksen/Conn10H1960image.html Since the earlier model is not reported with a Coprion bell, I would think you are talking about the second one. The home page of this website (http://www.xs4all.nl/~cderksen/ConnLooksTrombone.html) is an excellent Conn trombone reference. Howard At 07:47 PM 2/28/2007, Raymond Horton wrote: >A friend in another city, an amateur euphonium player, has asked me >my opinion, of a Conn 10H trombone that I haven't seen but he is >interested in possibly purchasing. What kind of horn is it, bore >size, etc? He says it appears to have the "coprion" (rose >color)bell. He says it is in great shape, slide is smooth and looks >like it has been well taken care of. > > >Could anybody give me a ballpark estimate of value? > > >Thanks > > >Raymond Horton, >Bass Trombonist, >Louisville Orchestra ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2007 18:37:32 -0500 From: "John Jensen" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Carry-On Instruments To: "Phil Burton" , "List Trombone" Message-ID: <009f01c75d23$c00ec360$2f01a8c0@S0029001086> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Phil, I've used the golf bag case....( wasn't that Sam's suggestion originally? ) and it worked, though the bulk is tough to manage with cabs and other luggage. Haven't used that in several years and I understand that airlines won't accept something that size anymore, at least without a sizable penalty fee. These days I use a terrific leather case made by Glenn Cronkite. Two cases that strap together. Compact and really well made. That said, I still approach an airport with some degree of trepidation and don't like the idea that T.S.A. and the whims of stressed out airline workers are factors to be reckoned with when boardiing a plane with the horn. Just my two cents.... J On the web: http://www.dcjazz.com/johnjensen/ E-mail: johnjensen@pxrec.com jljbone@verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil Burton" To: "List Trombone" Cc: Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 6:03 PM Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Carry-On Instruments > Bill and others on the list. The only thing that I have heard, besides > this message which arrived today also, is that the AFM has received > numerous complaints about Delta Airlines Agents refusing musicians to > carry on their instruments, and that they wanted to to be notified if and > when it happened. > > Prior to 9/11 I did the "gate check" on my horn when I flew, and it worked > out fine. Since then, I pack the case inside a Golf bag luggage carrier, > and have had no problems. > > Phil Burton > AFM Local 642 > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Bill Dinwiddie > To: List Trombone > Sent: Friday, March 2, 2007 3:41:20 PM > Subject: [Trombone-l] Carry-On Instruments > > Has anyone else received an e-mail similar to this one: > > "For years, AFM members have had problems bringing musical instruments > aboard planes as carry-on luggage. Recently, discussions with the airlines > trade association and Congress have picked up to the point where an > acceptable solution to the problem is possible. However, we need to show > that there is urgency to the problem. We would appreciate it if you would > describe your recent experiences when traveling with instruments to us so > we > can show the seriousness of the situation for musicians. Please send your > recent airline experience to me at tperetti@afm.org. Thank you." > > It looks legit, but there are so many scams on the net these days that I > am > a little wary of responding to anything that comes in unsolicited. It > seems > like they would have sent out a snail mail letter, on genuine Union > stationery, if this is for real. > > We certainly need better policies for musicians travelling by air, and I > hope the Union is getting some action from the Feds, but I really don't > want > to get involoved with some scam artist. > > Bill Dinwiddie > billdin@comcast.net > > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love > (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. > http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/265 > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2007 18:40:13 -0500 From: "John Jensen" Subject: [Trombone-l] King New Proportion trombone To: Message-ID: <00a601c75d24$20377660$2f01a8c0@S0029001086> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Anybody know anything about a King New Proportion Trombone? It was made in the 20's or 30's. Similar to a 2B. I have one in my hands right now. Small bore horn. Plays well. Thanks! John Jensen On the web: http://www.dcjazz.com/johnjensen/ E-mail: johnjensen@pxrec.com jljbone@verizon.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Howard Spindel" To: "Raymond Horton" ; Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 6:31 PM Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Conn 10H > There are 2 different 10H, with different specs. See these pages: > > http://www.xs4all.nl/~cderksen/Conn10H1920image.html > > http://www.xs4all.nl/~cderksen/Conn10H1960image.html > > Since the earlier model is not reported with a Coprion bell, I would > think you are talking about the second one. > > The home page of this website > (http://www.xs4all.nl/~cderksen/ConnLooksTrombone.html) is an > excellent Conn trombone reference. > > Howard > > At 07:47 PM 2/28/2007, Raymond Horton wrote: >>A friend in another city, an amateur euphonium player, has asked me >>my opinion, of a Conn 10H trombone that I haven't seen but he is >>interested in possibly purchasing. What kind of horn is it, bore >>size, etc? He says it appears to have the "coprion" (rose >>color)bell. He says it is in great shape, slide is smooth and looks >>like it has been well taken care of. >> >> >>Could anybody give me a ballpark estimate of value? >> >> >>Thanks >> >> >>Raymond Horton, >>Bass Trombonist, >>Louisville Orchestra > > > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2007 23:04:46 -0500 From: DAVID FETTER Subject: [Trombone-l] Trio Hidas at Peabody March 27 To: trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Trio Hidas, a trio of trombones, will present a master class and performance at the Peabody Conservatory of Music in Baltimore on Tuesday, March 27, 2007, at 7:00 p.m. in East Hall. Free admission. The members of Trio Hidas are Nitzan Haroz, Principal Trombone of the Philadelphia Orchestra; Haim Avitsur, Principal Trombone of the Charlottesville Symphony Orchestra, soloist, faculty member at the University of Virginia and Queens College in New York City and Director of the Summer Trombone Workshop; and Dave Taylor, bass trombone, New York freelancer, recitalist, chamber musician, jazz musician, teacher and recording artist. A concert by Trio Hidas at the Summer Trombone Workshop last July is posted at http://pigx5.com/STW2006/Trio%20Hidas/ For directions to Peabody, see: http://www.peabody.jhu.edu/directions. For information about this event call 410 889-2277 David Fetter Conservatory Trombone Faculty Member Peabody Institute 1 East Mount Vernon Place Baltimore, MD 21202 410 659-8100, ext. 1254; fax 410 783-8562 home 410 889-2277, cell 443 691-2686 web page: www.peabody.jhu.edu/DavidFetter ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 22:53:50 -0800 (PST) From: Phil Burton Subject: [Trombone-l] Jazz Musician To: Trombone List Message-ID: <119911.11197.qm@web33108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 This may have made the rounds before, but it is funny regardless. ------------------ A curious music fan once asked the seasoned veteran saxophone player why he chose to make his career playing jazz. The old pro lit up another cigarette. "I don't like crowds," he replied. AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast with the Yahoo! Search weather shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#loc_weather ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 09:31:48 -0000 From: "Adrian Drover" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Carry-On Instruments To: "'Phil Burton'" , "'List Trombone'" Cc: tperetti@afm.org Message-ID: <001401c75d76$c533aa10$0200a8c0@Adrian> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > From: Phil Burton > > Prior to 9/11 I did the "gate check" on my horn when I flew, and it worked > out fine. Since then, I pack the case inside a Golf bag luggage carrier, > and have had no problems. Has anyone tried the new dehydrated trombones? You can carry them on board in a small paper sachet. They don't set off any alarms and no one hassles you. Just add water when you get to the gig. A. ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 08:49:49 -0500 From: sabutin Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Carry-On Instruments To: TROMBONE-L@server5.SAMFORD.EDU Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" > > From: Phil Burton >> >> Prior to 9/11 I did the "gate check" on my horn when I flew, and it worked >> out fine. Since then, I pack the case inside a Golf bag luggage carrier, >> and have had no problems. > > > >Has anyone tried the new dehydrated trombones? You can carry them on board >in a small paper sachet. They don't set off any alarms and no one hassles >you. Just add water when you get to the gig. > >A. So THAT'S why they won't let us bring water onto the planes any more!!! S. > >_______________________________________________ >Trombone-l mailing list >Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu >http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Trombone-l mailing list Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l End of Trombone-l Digest, Vol 26, Issue 3 *****************************************