Subject: Trombone-l Digest, Vol 14, Issue 1 Date: Wednesday, March 1, 2006 12:00 PM From: trombone-l-request@maillists.samford.edu Reply-To: trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu To: Conversation: Trombone-l Digest, Vol 14, Issue 1 Send Trombone-l mailing list submissions to trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to trombone-l-request@maillists.samford.edu You can reach the person managing the list at trombone-l-owner@maillists.samford.edu When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Trombone-l digest..." Today's Topics: 1. test (emrose79) 2. Re: test (Richard Barrett) 3. Reception of list postings (kalwas) 4. Re: Reception of list postings (Daryl Burch) 5. Re: test (Chris Tune) 6. pitch (Bruce Faske) 7. Re: pitch (Chris Tune) 8. Re: pitch (Raymond Horton) 9. Re: pitch (Chris Tune) 10. Re: pitch (David A. Schwartz) 11. Re: pitch (thetubameister@adelphia.net) 12. Re: pitch (ALEX ILES) 13. Re: pitch (Lisa & Patrick Bates) 14. Re: pitch (Steve Gamble) 15. Re: pitch (Todd Slothower) 16. Re: pitch (dslide13@aol.com) 17. Re: Musicapp.com??? (Chris Tune) 18. Re: pitch (Paul Kemp) 19. Re: Musicapp.com??? (Roger Hecht) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 15:56:24 -0800 From: emrose79 Subject: [Trombone-l] test To: List Trombone Message-ID: <4404E328.80901@sonic.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed test ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 01:45:45 -0000 From: "Richard Barrett" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] test To: "'emrose79'" , "'List Trombone'" Message-ID: <20060301014754.GTLX28023.aamta10-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@your4a039e18d3> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Passed! -----Original Message----- From: trombone-l-bounces@maillists.samford.edu [mailto:trombone-l-bounces@maillists.samford.edu] On Behalf Of emrose79 Sent: 28 February 2006 23:56 To: List Trombone Subject: [Trombone-l] test test _______________________________________________ Trombone-l mailing list Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 18:40:22 -0500 From: "kalwas" Subject: [Trombone-l] Reception of list postings To: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" For some reason, I am no longer receiving any list postings. Is there something I should do on this end to rectify the problem? Please advise. Robert Kalwas ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 18:27:47 -0800 From: Daryl Burch Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Reception of list postings To: "kalwas" Cc: Trombone-l@server5.samford.edu Message-ID: <8a68117f809c90b81fcbd0834dba8aec@speakeasy.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Come up with some new intriguing topics or witty repartee and liven things up again! --Mandatory Trombone Content-- Trombonists are known for their witty repartee. However, one must refrain from the appearance of laughter. It only encourages them. --End of Mandatory Trombone Content-- I haven't even been watching the list much lately. Too busy watching "Dancing with the Stars" or the Olympics or losing at poker. Cheers! -D- www.radionoise.com <- Rock star by night www.burchinteractive.com <- Tech-nerd by day #;-) P.S.: I'm having a extra Guiness tonight 'cuz I done used "repartee" three times tuh-dayyyy! On Feb 28, 2006, at 3:40 PM, kalwas wrote: > For some reason, I am no longer receiving any list postings. Is there > something I should do on this end to rectify the problem? Please > advise. > > Robert Kalwas > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 19:28:28 -0800 From: "Chris Tune" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] test To: "Richard Barrett" , "'emrose79'" , "'List Trombone'" Message-ID: <000b01c63ce0$35fb7290$0400a8c0@athlon2800> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Just a routine list "doldrums". Happens once in a while. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Barrett" To: "'emrose79'" ; "'List Trombone'" Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 5:45 PM Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] test > Passed! > > -----Original Message----- > From: trombone-l-bounces@maillists.samford.edu > [mailto:trombone-l-bounces@maillists.samford.edu] On Behalf Of emrose79 > Sent: 28 February 2006 23:56 > To: List Trombone > Subject: [Trombone-l] test > > test > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 19:47:08 -0800 (PST) From: Bruce Faske Subject: [Trombone-l] pitch To: trombone-l@samford.edu Message-ID: <20060301034708.32577.qmail@web50115.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Here's something to break the doldrums... I recently switched over from an Edwards T-350 to a Greenhoe Bach 42. I'm using the same mouthpiece, a Greg Black 4.5G/5GS, but since I've settled into the horn, I'm having to pull the main tuning slide out almost double where it was on the Edwards. I would chalk it up to a different horn, but I went back to the Edwards and I had to pull it out more, too. I even went to a buddy's horn and I had to pull that tuning slide out, too. I've always been taught to not fish with the face, but to adjust the slide to as close as I can and work from there. I don't really see it as a problem, but should I? Is it the start of something bigger? I've been working out of the Scholossberg book lately...it's pretty much the only new playing that I'm doing. ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 20:16:48 -0800 From: "Chris Tune" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] pitch To: "Bruce Faske" , Message-ID: <001101c63ce6$f635bf60$0400a8c0@athlon2800> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original One possible explanation: Horns are being designed to cope with the rising pitch as the old A=440 goes the way of the Dodo. Now, I find that the typical piano is tuned to A=442 and sometimes to A=444. Therefore the amount of tuning slide extension may be much more on a newer design horn.. .but this is only when you have a true A=440 situation. You could check this with a digital chromatic tuner. Alternatively, a decent strobo tuner would do. The key is to figure out what frequency is A. Then, double check that you are, in fact in tune. Then see where the slide is. The length of the extension of tuning slide should be of NO IMPORTANCE. What is important is that you play with a natural CENTERED tone, and that you are pitched IN TUNE. To help get that to happen, I'd advocate not even looking at the length of tuning slide extension at first. Play centered up and with a very good tone (this is one of your overall goals in everything. . anyway). See how you fit with the piano's (forget the oboe. . .that's just because the oboe cuts through really well. . . ) Bb. Really concentrate on where you are in relation to the piano Bb. If you are very close, you could have some doubt about whether you are flat or sharp. You can experiment. The fifth position Bb is useful for this. You can first match your 1st position Bb and the fifth position one. . then experiment with moving the slide up and down. Somewhere you are going to get that "locked in" sound. Don't fight it. Once the lock occurs. .you are in tune. You will know whether you had to lower or raise to get there. Then adjust the tuning slide. Try the process again a couple of times, until the basic, preferred positions get you an in tune Bb TRENDS I find that pitch is continuing to be higher and higher as the decades go by. What was the defacto standard (A=440) is now rarely heard. This puts me in an odd situation. My 2B will be in tune but only with the tuning slide almost all the way in. My buddy Don Gustafson has a Jiggs Whigham from the very first batch similar to what Alan Kaplan plays. This was before Jiggs was the endorser. This was just another radical redesign of the venerable King 2B at that time. Don's horn is clearly about a half an inch shorter at the tuning slide. We can put our horns next to each other and it is quite obvious. Now, this is an "option" on the Jiggs Whigham horn. Looks like one of the next changes my King is going to get is to have the tuning slide cut down a half inch. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce Faske" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 7:47 PM Subject: [Trombone-l] pitch > Here's something to break the doldrums... > > I recently switched over from an Edwards T-350 to a > Greenhoe Bach 42. I'm using the same mouthpiece, a > Greg Black 4.5G/5GS, but since I've settled into the > horn, I'm having to pull the main tuning slide out > almost double where it was on the Edwards. I would > chalk it up to a different horn, but I went back to > the Edwards and I had to pull it out more, too. I > even went to a buddy's horn and I had to pull that > tuning slide out, too. > > I've always been taught to not fish with the face, but > to adjust the slide to as close as I can and work from > there. > > I don't really see it as a problem, but should I? Is > it the start of something bigger? I've been working > out of the Scholossberg book lately...it's pretty much > the only new playing that I'm doing. > > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 23:13:59 -0500 From: Raymond Horton Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] pitch To: Chris Tune Cc: trombone-l@samford.edu Message-ID: <44051F87.9040100@insightbb.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Bach 42Bs have been sharp for years, haven't they? RBH >From: "Bruce Faske" >To: >Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 7:47 PM >Subject: [Trombone-l] pitch > > > > >>Here's something to break the doldrums... >> >>I recently switched over from an Edwards T-350 to a >>Greenhoe Bach 42. I'm using the same mouthpiece, a >>Greg Black 4.5G/5GS, but since I've settled into the >>horn, I'm having to pull the main tuning slide out >>almost double where it was on the Edwards. I would >>chalk it up to a different horn, but I went back to >>the Edwards and I had to pull it out more, too. I >>even went to a buddy's horn and I had to pull that >>tuning slide out, too. >> >>I've always been taught to not fish with the face, but >>to adjust the slide to as close as I can and work from >>there. >> >>I don't really see it as a problem, but should I? Is >>it the start of something bigger? I've been working >>out of the Scholossberg book lately...it's pretty much >>the only new playing that I'm doing. >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 20:28:58 -0800 From: "Chris Tune" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] pitch To: "Bruce Faske" , Message-ID: <001c01c63ce8$a8e07780$0400a8c0@athlon2800> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original My misunderstanding: This sounds as if there is a possibility tha tyou are experiencing a change in the centeredness of your tone. Impossible to tell from writing back and forth on the internet, but this kind of thing does happen. Thing to do is assess: ":Am I sounding good?. . .maybe even "improved"? That is the first consideration, because a centered tone is a GOOD tone. This can happen sometimes. Sometimes our tone improves and becomes more natural and better centered. If the pitch changes are slight it is possible that your previous tone was slightly detuned downward (a common thing that brass players do. . .particularly the harder they "try". . they can defeat their efforts by actually slightly detuning the tone downward). Another sign of this kind of change, would be if you are now experiencing improved endurance. This would be a corrolary sign that you are more centered up now than in the past. Centered tones are played with the absolute minimum muscular effort in the embouchure. By "minimum" I mean that there IS EFFORT, but that effort is no more than the minimum neccesary to get a good tone. There should really not be a great deal of effort involved in the middle range notes. It is fortunate that there has been no change other than the horn. Some mouthpieces make endurance easier and can trick you into thinking something else changed. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce Faske" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 7:47 PM Subject: [Trombone-l] pitch > Here's something to break the doldrums... > > I recently switched over from an Edwards T-350 to a > Greenhoe Bach 42. I'm using the same mouthpiece, a > Greg Black 4.5G/5GS, but since I've settled into the > horn, I'm having to pull the main tuning slide out > almost double where it was on the Edwards. I would > chalk it up to a different horn, but I went back to > the Edwards and I had to pull it out more, too. I > even went to a buddy's horn and I had to pull that > tuning slide out, too. > > I've always been taught to not fish with the face, but > to adjust the slide to as close as I can and work from > there. > > I don't really see it as a problem, but should I? Is > it the start of something bigger? I've been working > out of the Scholossberg book lately...it's pretty much > the only new playing that I'm doing. > > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 23:22:39 -0500 From: "David A. Schwartz" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] pitch To: trombone-l@samford.edu Message-ID: <4405218F.1030303@verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Bruce, When changing equipment you can encounter a bunch of new quirks. Good exercises help reveal them. Better than the Schlossberg book, try the chord and interval exercises in Arban's which rattle through every key in a single page. Mind the repeats: your hand will adjust on the second pass. Better yet, buy a copy of my highly effective "Breakfast, Intonation Practice for Trombonists." "Breakfast" has the Arban's exercises with drone and pure harmony accompaniments that hold you on pitch. Check it out at this URL: http://mysite.verizon.net/~dschwar/breakfast.html David David A. Schwartz 70 Douglas Rd. Belmont, MA 02478-3914 617-484-1490 http://mysite.verizon.net/~dschwar/ Bruce Faske wrote: > Here's something to break the doldrums... > > I recently switched over from an Edwards T-350 to a > Greenhoe Bach 42. I'm using the same mouthpiece, a > Greg Black 4.5G/5GS, but since I've settled into the > horn, I'm having to pull the main tuning slide out > almost double where it was on the Edwards. I would > chalk it up to a different horn, but I went back to > the Edwards and I had to pull it out more, too. I > even went to a buddy's horn and I had to pull that > tuning slide out, too. > > I've always been taught to not fish with the face, but > to adjust the slide to as close as I can and work from > there. > > I don't really see it as a problem, but should I? Is > it the start of something bigger? I've been working > out of the Scholossberg book lately...it's pretty much > the only new playing that I'm doing. > > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > > ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 23:57:33 -0500 From: thetubameister@adelphia.net Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] pitch To: Raymond Horton Cc: trombone-l@samford.edu Message-ID: <31450538.1141189053993.JavaMail.root@web23> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mines flat - almost... J.c.S ---- Raymond Horton wrote: > Bach 42Bs have been sharp for years, haven't they? > > RBH > > >From: "Bruce Faske" > >To: > >Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 7:47 PM > >Subject: [Trombone-l] pitch > > > > > > > > > >>Here's something to break the doldrums... > >> > >>I recently switched over from an Edwards T-350 to a > >>Greenhoe Bach 42. I'm using the same mouthpiece, a > >>Greg Black 4.5G/5GS, but since I've settled into the > >>horn, I'm having to pull the main tuning slide out > >>almost double where it was on the Edwards. I would > >>chalk it up to a different horn, but I went back to > >>the Edwards and I had to pull it out more, too. I > >>even went to a buddy's horn and I had to pull that > >>tuning slide out, too. > >> > >>I've always been taught to not fish with the face, but > >>to adjust the slide to as close as I can and work from > >>there. > >> > >>I don't really see it as a problem, but should I? Is > >>it the start of something bigger? I've been working > >>out of the Scholossberg book lately...it's pretty much > >>the only new playing that I'm doing. > >> > >> > >> > >> > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 22:12:18 -0800 From: ALEX ILES Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] pitch To: Bruce Faske Cc: trombone-l@samford.edu Message-ID: <56161850-A8EA-11DA-8FFF-000D93C8F54C@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Hi Bruce and all, First of all... You present a topic which is difficult for any of us to address without seeing or listening to you play first hand [also not knowing how long you have been playing, how much you practice, etc].It might be a good idea to share your observations with an experienced and qualified teaching pro in your area. Having said that...the following is just one person's limited perspective... What you are experiencing might not be a problem at all. In fact, something good might be going on with your playing. It sounds like you're putting more air/sound into your horn. I have witnessed many students [myself included] go through a "sharp" phase now and then when they are starting to blow differently and/or with more confidence. Your mentioning that you are "working out of Schlossberg lately" may not be trivial at all. If you have been doing tone studies such as these regularly and correctly, then that, along with your recent switches in equipment might be causing these pitch changes. Give it all some time. I have seen many students eventually find their "center" again when their face adjusts to these different types of "newness" [chops, air, equipment]. Your pitch might fall back close to the way it was in a just a few weeks. Maybe it won't completely. I personally don' t think it's really that big a deal to have your tuning slide pulled out a little bit more than before. New is not necessarily bad!! Good luck, Alex -------------------------------------------------- On Feb 28, 2006, at 7:47 PM, Bruce Faske wrote: > Here's something to break the doldrums... > > I recently switched over from an Edwards T-350 to a > Greenhoe Bach 42. I'm using the same mouthpiece, a > Greg Black 4.5G/5GS, but since I've settled into the > horn, I'm having to pull the main tuning slide out > almost double where it was on the Edwards. I would > chalk it up to a different horn, but I went back to > the Edwards and I had to pull it out more, too. I > even went to a buddy's horn and I had to pull that > tuning slide out, too. > > I've always been taught to not fish with the face, but > to adjust the slide to as close as I can and work from > there. > > I don't really see it as a problem, but should I? Is > it the start of something bigger? I've been working > out of the Scholossberg book lately...it's pretty much > the only new playing that I'm doing. > > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 06:35:19 -0500 From: "Lisa & Patrick Bates" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] pitch Cc: trombone-l@samford.edu Message-ID: <001401c63d24$395c38e0$b0885fd8@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Mine too, has been since I got it in 1980 Patrick ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Raymond Horton" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 11:57 PM Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] pitch > Mines flat - almost... > > J.c.S > > ---- Raymond Horton wrote: > > Bach 42Bs have been sharp for years, haven't they? > > > > RBH > > > > >From: "Bruce Faske" > > >To: > > >Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 7:47 PM > > >Subject: [Trombone-l] pitch > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>Here's something to break the doldrums... > > >> > > >>I recently switched over from an Edwards T-350 to a > > >>Greenhoe Bach 42. I'm using the same mouthpiece, a > > >>Greg Black 4.5G/5GS, but since I've settled into the > > >>horn, I'm having to pull the main tuning slide out > > >>almost double where it was on the Edwards. I would > > >>chalk it up to a different horn, but I went back to > > >>the Edwards and I had to pull it out more, too. I > > >>even went to a buddy's horn and I had to pull that > > >>tuning slide out, too. > > >> > > >>I've always been taught to not fish with the face, but > > >>to adjust the slide to as close as I can and work from > > >>there. > > >> > > >>I don't really see it as a problem, but should I? Is > > >>it the start of something bigger? I've been working > > >>out of the Scholossberg book lately...it's pretty much > > >>the only new playing that I'm doing. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Trombone-l mailing list > > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 07:21:18 -0700 From: "Steve Gamble" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] pitch To: "Bruce Faske" , Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Bruce, I don't want to discount anything anyone else said. But it could be something as simple as not being as relaxed as you were before. Has the new horn inspired you to put in more practice time? You could be getting a little too 'muscular.' Strong chops come more from doing things correctly than from bigger muscles. So make sure you are blowing lots of relaxed air and being real efficient with your energy. Try to make things seem easy. Your pitch will probably come back down. Steve Gamble, Librarian Tucson Symphony Orchestra 2175 N. 6th Ave. Tucson, AZ 85705 (520) 792-9155 x118 (520) 792-9314 fax (520) 991-7056 cel sgamble@tucsonsymphony.org -----Original Message----- From: trombone-l-bounces@maillists.samford.edu [mailto:trombone-l-bounces@maillists.samford.edu] On Behalf Of Bruce Faske Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 8:47 PM To: trombone-l@samford.edu Subject: [Trombone-l] pitch Here's something to break the doldrums... I recently switched over from an Edwards T-350 to a Greenhoe Bach 42. I'm using the same mouthpiece, a Greg Black 4.5G/5GS, but since I've settled into the horn, I'm having to pull the main tuning slide out almost double where it was on the Edwards. I would chalk it up to a different horn, but I went back to the Edwards and I had to pull it out more, too. I even went to a buddy's horn and I had to pull that tuning slide out, too. I've always been taught to not fish with the face, but to adjust the slide to as close as I can and work from there. I don't really see it as a problem, but should I? Is it the start of something bigger? I've been working out of the Scholossberg book lately...it's pretty much the only new playing that I'm doing. _______________________________________________ Trombone-l mailing list Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 08:53:01 -0600 From: "Todd Slothower" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] pitch To: Cc: trombone-l@samford.edu Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII I'm glad that some of you said that your 42's were (almost) flat, because my 42T is the same. I hardly can pull the tuning slide out at all. I do need to pull the F plumbing out several inches though. Todd Slothower ts2206 @riverdale.rockis.k12.il.us >>> "Lisa & Patrick Bates" 03/01/06 05:35AM >>> Mine too, has been since I got it in 1980 Patrick ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Raymond Horton" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 11:57 PM Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] pitch > Mines flat - almost... > > J.c.S > > ---- Raymond Horton wrote: > > Bach 42Bs have been sharp for years, haven't they? > > > > RBH > > > > >From: "Bruce Faske" > > >To: > > >Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 7:47 PM > > >Subject: [Trombone-l] pitch > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>Here's something to break the doldrums... > > >> > > >>I recently switched over from an Edwards T-350 to a > > >>Greenhoe Bach 42. I'm using the same mouthpiece, a > > >>Greg Black 4.5G/5GS, but since I've settled into the > > >>horn, I'm having to pull the main tuning slide out > > >>almost double where it was on the Edwards. I would > > >>chalk it up to a different horn, but I went back to > > >>the Edwards and I had to pull it out more, too. I > > >>even went to a buddy's horn and I had to pull that > > >>tuning slide out, too. > > >> > > >>I've always been taught to not fish with the face, but > > >>to adjust the slide to as close as I can and work from > > >>there. > > >> > > >>I don't really see it as a problem, but should I? Is > > >>it the start of something bigger? I've been working > > >>out of the Scholossberg book lately...it's pretty much > > >>the only new playing that I'm doing. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Trombone-l mailing list > > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > _______________________________________________ Trombone-l mailing list Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 09:59:41 -0500 From: dslide13@aol.com Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] pitch To: trombone-l@samford.edu Message-ID: <8C80B57E751A963-1074-208A@MBLK-M34.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I haven't ever spent any time with the Schlossberg studies, but I would bet that you've changed your setup somehow to eliminate adjustments for the registers. When I began to homogenize my embouchure to flow throughout the registers, my pitch center moved up a little. My colleague Jon Kruger calls this setting up "in a higher gear". It allows you to easily play in the upper register and relax into the lower register. If you're experiencing it on both the new and old horns, then that's my best guess. You're playing with a smaller aperture overall, and the air is spinning through the instrument faster and sharper. Is that a scientific explanation? I'm not sure. I know that a smaller aperture with the same pressure behind it will result in a faster airstream...similar to a hose when you put your thumb over the end shooting a fast stream of water. A smaller aperture can be common to all registers, while a larger one only works in the mid and low ranges. dg David Gibson trombonist/educator www.jazzbone.org -----Original Message----- From: Lisa & Patrick Bates Cc: trombone-l@samford.edu Sent: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 06:35:19 -0500 Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] pitch Mine too, has been since I got it in 1980 Patrick ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Raymond Horton" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 11:57 PM Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] pitch > Mines flat - almost... > > J.c.S > > ---- Raymond Horton wrote: > > Bach 42Bs have been sharp for years, haven't they? > > > > RBH > > > > >From: "Bruce Faske" > > >To: > > >Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 7:47 PM > > >Subject: [Trombone-l] pitch > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>Here's something to break the doldrums... > > >> > > >>I recently switched over from an Edwards T-350 to a > > >>Greenhoe Bach 42. I'm using the same mouthpiece, a > > >>Greg Black 4.5G/5GS, but since I've settled into the > > >>horn, I'm having to pull the main tuning slide out > > >>almost double where it was on the Edwards. I would > > >>chalk it up to a different horn, but I went back to > > >>the Edwards and I had to pull it out more, too. I > > >>even went to a buddy's horn and I had to pull that > > >>tuning slide out, too. > > >> > > >>I've always been taught to not fish with the face, but > > >>to adjust the slide to as close as I can and work from > > >>there. > > >> > > >>I don't really see it as a problem, but should I? Is > > >>it the start of something bigger? I've been working > > >>out of the Scholossberg book lately...it's pretty much > > >>the only new playing that I'm doing. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Trombone-l mailing list > > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > > _______________________________________________ > Trombone-l mailing list > Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > _______________________________________________ Trombone-l mailing list Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 07:06:39 -0800 From: "Chris Tune" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Musicapp.com??? To: , "Raymond Horton" Cc: trombone-l@samford.edu Message-ID: <002f01c63d41$bec24890$0400a8c0@athlon2800> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=original Has anyone else on the Trombone-L gotten themselves signed up for www.musicapp.com ?? This appears to be a music oriented bulletin board / listserve list from "Bristol's Music Community". I assume this is Bristol, England. I imagine it is possible that I somehow surfed over there at one time, but I don't recall signing up for a listserv list. . . .the web interface seems to be primarily a listing of venues and bands that relate to Bristol. As much as I love England, GB et al. . .I'm not likely to be going over there just now. . .(Boo. .Hoo. .I wish I was. . .it would be a blast, I'm sure). It seems as though this list and related website use the same list software as Samford.edu, since the way I can see I'm signed up is because I got the identical "you are signed up" letter from the listserver . . .AND it came out at the same time (Mar 1. . .same process done by the server). If anyone knows the full story of this, they might want to point out to their friends in Bristol, that many in the online community would be INCENSED at being signed up without requesting it. I'm pretty loosey goosey about this myself, since I know that etiquette in the online world is hard to assimilate and everybody needs to learn. Some need to learn the hard way. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Raymond Horton" Cc: ; "Chris Tune" Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 8:57 PM Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] pitch > Mines flat - almost... > > J.c.S > > ---- Raymond Horton wrote: >> Bach 42Bs have been sharp for years, haven't they? >> >> RBH >> >> >From: "Bruce Faske" >> >To: >> >Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 7:47 PM >> >Subject: [Trombone-l] pitch >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >>Here's something to break the doldrums... >> >> >> >>I recently switched over from an Edwards T-350 to a >> >>Greenhoe Bach 42. I'm using the same mouthpiece, a >> >>Greg Black 4.5G/5GS, but since I've settled into the >> >>horn, I'm having to pull the main tuning slide out >> >>almost double where it was on the Edwards. I would >> >>chalk it up to a different horn, but I went back to >> >>the Edwards and I had to pull it out more, too. I >> >>even went to a buddy's horn and I had to pull that >> >>tuning slide out, too. >> >> >> >>I've always been taught to not fish with the face, but >> >>to adjust the slide to as close as I can and work from >> >>there. >> >> >> >>I don't really see it as a problem, but should I? Is >> >>it the start of something bigger? I've been working >> >>out of the Scholossberg book lately...it's pretty much >> >>the only new playing that I'm doing. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Trombone-l mailing list >> Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu >> http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 10:19:49 -0500 From: "Paul Kemp" Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] pitch To: Message-ID: <000701c63d43$94e88f50$0201a8c0@paul25nv60mdvg> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Somewhere in the Selmer literature concerning the 42 years ago, it said that 42 was supposed to be in tune by pulling the main tuning slide 9/16". However, I've come to believe that is wishful thinking to say the least. I have a 16xxx 42B that had to be pulled over an inch. That horn has been chopped up know, but I have the slide and bell which is useable with my Greenhoe valve and straight section. The main tuning slide, in order to get everything to fit properly had to be adjusted (cut) somewhat, but at least everything fits together properly. A couple of other things enter into the mix also. Where you actually hear the pitch plays a tremendous role in where it settles in. The mouthpiece you use can have a tremendous effect, particularly when it comes to how far the mouthpiece sticks out of the receiver. I feel that because I have been practicing more consistently and doing things more that have to deal with strength and efficiency, and also blowing more gently, which entails breathing much more deeply, this may bring the pitch down somewhat. I'm finding that on my setup, I have to pull my main tuning slide about and inch (perhaps a bit more) and the F-attachment slide 1/2 inch. I'm using a Laskey 57D mouthpiece, and everything seems to settle in quite well. It's not really that big of a deal. Some of this may have to do with your concept of sound as well. Clarity and purity will seem to sound higher to the ear versus dullness and muddiness will sound lower to the ear. The main thing, I believe, is to shoot for beatless intonation in ensembles, not to make sure you peg the tuner right every time. Paul Kemp ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2006 11:02:27 -0500 From: Roger Hecht Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] Musicapp.com??? To: Chris Tune Cc: trombone-l@samford.edu Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.0.20060301110137.01cd4130@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I'm getting stuff from them, and like you, have no idea why. >Has anyone else on the Trombone-L gotten themselves signed up for >www.musicapp.com ?? This appears to be a music oriented bulletin board / >listserve list from "Bristol's Music Community". I assume this is Bristol, >England. I imagine it is possible that I somehow surfed over there at one >time, but I don't recall signing up for a listserv list. > >. . .the web interface seems to be primarily a listing of venues and bands >that relate to Bristol. As much as I love England, GB et al. . .I'm not >likely to be going over there just now. . .(Boo. .Hoo. .I wish I was. . .it >would be a blast, I'm sure). > >It seems as though this list and related website use the same list software >as Samford.edu, since the way I can see I'm signed up is because I got the >identical "you are signed up" letter from the listserver . . .AND it came >out at the same time (Mar 1. . .same process done by the server). > >If anyone knows the full story of this, they might want to point out to >their friends in Bristol, that many in the online community would be >INCENSED at being signed up without requesting it. I'm pretty loosey goosey >about this myself, since I know that etiquette in the online world is hard >to assimilate and everybody needs to learn. Some need to learn the hard >way. > >Chris > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: "Raymond Horton" >Cc: ; "Chris Tune" >Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 8:57 PM >Subject: Re: [Trombone-l] pitch > > > > Mines flat - almost... > > > > J.c.S > > > > ---- Raymond Horton wrote: > >> Bach 42Bs have been sharp for years, haven't they? > >> > >> RBH > >> > >> >From: "Bruce Faske" > >> >To: > >> >Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 7:47 PM > >> >Subject: [Trombone-l] pitch > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >>Here's something to break the doldrums... > >> >> > >> >>I recently switched over from an Edwards T-350 to a > >> >>Greenhoe Bach 42. I'm using the same mouthpiece, a > >> >>Greg Black 4.5G/5GS, but since I've settled into the > >> >>horn, I'm having to pull the main tuning slide out > >> >>almost double where it was on the Edwards. I would > >> >>chalk it up to a different horn, but I went back to > >> >>the Edwards and I had to pull it out more, too. I > >> >>even went to a buddy's horn and I had to pull that > >> >>tuning slide out, too. > >> >> > >> >>I've always been taught to not fish with the face, but > >> >>to adjust the slide to as close as I can and work from > >> >>there. > >> >> > >> >>I don't really see it as a problem, but should I? Is > >> >>it the start of something bigger? I've been working > >> >>out of the Scholossberg book lately...it's pretty much > >> >>the only new playing that I'm doing. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Trombone-l mailing list > >> Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu > >> http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Trombone-l mailing list >Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu >http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l Roger Hecht ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Trombone-l mailing list Trombone-l@maillists.samford.edu http://maillists.samford.edu/mailman/listinfo/trombone-l End of Trombone-l Digest, Vol 14, Issue 1 *****************************************