Subject: TROMBONE-L Digest - 24 Jan 2004 to 25 Jan 2004 (#2004-26) Date: Monday, January 26, 2004 12:00 AM From: Automatic digest processor Reply-To: "Trombones and related issues forum." To: Recipients of TROMBONE-L digests There are 14 messages totalling 485 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. Milt Burnhart 2. Strange horns (2) 3. Blessing Bells, etc. (3) 4. BACH Brass 5. FW: [TBN-L] Blessing Bells, etc. (2) 6. Doug Elliott mouthpiece exchange??? 7. Trombone or not trombone - that is the question! 8. Lloyd Ulyate Update? (2) 9. Book ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 04:05:14 -0500 From: Mike Purdy Subject: Milt Burnhart RIP: Love you, man! >> Trombonist Milt Bernhart, a treasured icon of West Coast jazz, died of multiple organ failure on January 22, 2004 in Glendale, California. He was 77 years old. Bernhart was as good-natured a man as jazz ever produced, self-deprecating and always able to see the humor in a situation. He began playing the tuba at ten but had switched to trombone by high school. Having shuffled through Chicago and Philly, he was hired for Boyd Raeburn's experimental big band in 1942 and gigged with musicians like Teddy Powell for a year or so afterwards. Bernhart's career was sidelined by Army service, but in 1946 Stan Kenton picked up on the young trombone talent. Bernhart's first solo spotlight came that year, in Kenton's smash hit "The Peanut Vendor", but his relationship with the bandleader was tumultuous. Bernhart vacillated between the Raeburn and Kenton bands for several years, interrupted once by a stint with the ill-tempered Benny Goodman which became joke fodder for years thereafter. In 1955 Bernhart made the first of his very few records as a leader. Modern Brass (RCA) was a stellar disc featuring Maynard Ferguson, Shorty Rogers, Pete Candoli, bassist Red Mitchell, tubaist Ray Siegel, French hornist John Graas, and other West Coasters. That same year he joined the Columbia Records studio orchestra, which brought him steady work on TV and film scores like "The James Dean Story" and "Peter Gunn". He backed Sinatra both on record dates and in "The Man with the Golden Arm", and participated in perhaps hundreds more sessions during his studio days. In 1986 Bernhart was elected president of the Big Band Academy of America, an arts organization which encouraged continued study and performance of the big-band legacy. It was his true love, along with the music of Kenton, which he actively supported through the Academy by arranging regular performances. At Kentonian gatherings Bernhart's wit was always a highlight, marked by funny solos or skewed versions of songs like "Everything Happens To Me" sung in his hilariously mild-mannered way. He frequently toured with artists of all calibers and was one of the West Coast's principal cheerleaders for live jazz. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 09:44:22 -0600 From: Eric & Candice Swanson Subject: Strange horns Not exactly trombones, but most are in the trombone range, and hilarious. Check it out: http://community-2.webtv.net/dshaffer/hornmaker/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 09:29:14 -0700 From: David Oliver Subject: Blessing Bells, etc. I was helping out at the CMEA (Colorado Music Educator's Assoc.) yearly convention in Colorado Springs the prior two days, and wanted to relate something I'd heard there. It's also good to be back home where I can recover... Maybe this has already been posted, but I was told that Blessing now buys bells from Jupiter (for all of the brass), and that Jupiter even stamps/engraves them. They *are* made to Blessing's specs however. Blessing still makes everything else. I imagine that this makes sense for student and intermediate horns. Instruments at this level look to be going the way of cars, with pieces - or the whole thing - coming from various countries. BTW, has all Bach brasswind work also been moved to Ohio now? Re: Yamaha and Jupiter, both have mainland China factories, and Yamaha has been there for around 6 or 7 years. I was hoping to see some bass trombones in the displays, but alas no one had any, and every decent sized Colorado music store was there along with many manufacturers. Also, I saw at least two of the "jazz combo" guys who also played at the ITF in Nashville a few years ago. I recognized the bass and piano players, and it also could have been the same drummer. They for sure accompanied Don Lusher then. Yesterday, they accompanied an all state jazz vocal group performing on the final day. It's a small musical world... David Oliver Broomfield, Colorado USA denverconcertband.org P.S. Also found out that the "Allora" horn sold by the Woodwind and Brasswind is also mainland China (kind of figured that though). ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 11:19:23 -0600 From: Eric & Candice Swanson Subject: Re: Blessing Bells, etc. David Oliver wrote: >......has all Bach brasswind work also been moved to Ohio now? > > > David, No. As far as anybody knows, there are no plans to combine the manufacturing of the Bach and Conn/King horns. I wouldn't be too surprised though if some of the similar student instruments and low brass started to come off one assembly line or the other some time in the future. It would make sense from a manufacturing standpoint. But I don't see Bach Stradivarius trumpets and trombones coming out of the "King" factory in Eastlake anytime soon. Eric Swanson > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 11:29:14 -0600 From: Bart Roberts Subject: BACH Brass No the Bach plant is still running as normal. Don't think they plan on moving out of the Elkhart plant anytime soon. I think the people of Elkhart would start WW III in Elkhart if that happened. The main street woodwind plant closing and moving to another plant in Elkhart didn't go over so well. Bart Roberts Assistant Band Director Klein Forest High Schoool Houston, Texas 1993 Alumni Elkhart Central H.S. Elkhart, Indiana ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 11:19:34 -0700 From: Eric Edwards Subject: FW: [TBN-L] Blessing Bells, etc. It's already starting with Yamaha producing the Bach low brass. Eric Eric, Leandra, Sara & Jared Edwards bonearzt@cox.net "The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of low price fades". -----Original Message----- From: Trombones and related issues forum. [mailto:TROMBONE-L@PO.MISSOURI.EDU]On Behalf Of Eric & Candice Swanson Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 10:19 AM To: TROMBONE-L@PO.MISSOURI.EDU Subject: Re: [TBN-L] Blessing Bells, etc. David Oliver wrote: >......has all Bach brasswind work also been moved to Ohio now? > > > David, No. As far as anybody knows, there are no plans to combine the manufacturing of the Bach and Conn/King horns. I wouldn't be too surprised though if some of the similar student instruments and low brass started to come off one assembly line or the other some time in the future. It would make sense from a manufacturing standpoint. But I don't see Bach Stradivarius trumpets and trombones coming out of the "King" factory in Eastlake anytime soon. Eric Swanson > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 13:43:37 -0500 From: "John J. Jenkins" Subject: Re: Blessing Bells, etc. >David Oliver >Broomfield, Colorado USA >denverconcertband.org > >P.S. Also found out that the "Allora" horn sold by the Woodwind and >Brasswind is also mainland China (kind of figured that though). That's a shame, because the WWBW company has always described it as if it were crafted in Germany. The even said it was built under old-style "German Craftmanship" concepts. What a lie... :) John J. Jenkins "I have opinions of my own - strong opinions - but I don't always agree with them." - George Bush ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 14:02:53 -0500 From: "John J. Jenkins" Subject: Doug Elliott mouthpiece exchange??? Hello guys and gals! I recently purchased a 104 rim, H cup w/ H8 shank. I love the lexan rim, but realized that I need a smaller cup size to balance things out. Does anyone out there have an F/F8 or G/G8 cup and shank (LT series) in very good condition that they would be willing to trade for my H/H8? I would simply return it back to Doug, but he's currently out of G cups and won't have any for a while. My cup/shank is less than 2 weeks old and in mint condition. If anyone out there is interested, please send me an email. Thank you. John J. Jenkins "I have opinions of my own - strong opinions - but I don't always agree with them." - George Bush ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 13:10:51 -0600 From: Douglas Rowe Subject: Re: Trombone or not trombone - that is the question! As stated before, the Mahler 4th trombone part is purely optional, to add a little more sound at the end. FWIW, I have seen the local symphony (the MN Orchestra) perform this a number of times through out the last few years, they have always had a fourth trombonist sit in (I don't know the range of the part, but it's always a tenor trombone). Generally, the guy (or gal) sits and looks bored for the 3.9 movements (4.9 movements if they play the Blumine version) worth of music, then picks up the horn and appears to play for about the last 40 bars or so--however, it's big enough that I don't know that a casual listener (of which I am not) would really notice the additional trombone sound in the entire mix. I have performed it twice, both times without the 4th trombone part. Doug Keith Marr wrote: > Hi folks > > Can someone tell me if there's trombone parts in the following pieces? > > Rossini - Messa di Gloria > Elgar - The Music Makers > R Strauss - Horn Concerto No. 1 > > Also you could perhaps settle an argument for me - Mahler's first symphony > needs four trombones doesn't it? > > Thanks > > Keith in Bb/F/D > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.561 / Virus Database: 353 - Release Date: 13/01/2004 -- ______________________________________________ Doug and Jennifer Rowe jndrowe@earthlink.net **************************************** "Get your facts first, then you can distort them as much as you please." -Mark Twain ***************************************** http://www.stolaf.edu/people/rowed/ _________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 12:11:56 -0700 From: David Oliver Subject: Lloyd Ulyate Update? Any additional news on Lloyd Ulyate and his health? David Oliver Broomfield, Colorado USA ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 14:05:57 -0800 From: Tom Izzo Subject: Re: Strange horns --- Eric & Candice Swanson wrote: > Not exactly trombones, but most are in the trombone > range, and > hilarious. Check it out: hahahahahaha Yes indeedy. This guy is either the most incredibly inventive guy in the world, or an absolute maniac with waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyy too much time on his hands. THanks Eric. Tom > > http://community-2.webtv.net/dshaffer/hornmaker/ ===== Tom Izzo Principal Trombonist, Bristol Renaissance Faire; Bass Trombonist, West Suburban Symphony Orchestra; Founding Director, The Naperville Area Trombone Ensemble; Alto/Tenor/Bass/Contrabass Trombones, Tubas, Bass Trumpet, Electric Bass, Percussion http://www.Geocities.com/Vienna/Studio/7875/ (630) 983-1985 __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 16:13:39 -0600 From: Eric & Candice Swanson Subject: Re: FW: [TBN-L] Blessing Bells, etc. Eric Edwards wrote: >It's already starting with Yamaha producing the Bach low brass. > > > Yeah, I knew about that. I was thinking maybe they would start stamping "Bach" on some of the Conn/King euphs and tubas, so they wouldn't have to buy them from Yamaha anymore, something like that. Eric Swanson ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 16:57:08 -0800 From: The Millars Subject: Re: Lloyd Ulyate Update? I spoke to George Roberts today. He says that, as of yesterday, Lloyd is hanging in there and is off the respirator now. Let's all hope for the best. Lloyd is a wonderful guy and a terrific player. He has always been a lot of fun in the section as well as a musical inspiration. It was sad to hear of Milt Bernhart's passing. A marvelous player, he was quite a character as well as a knowledgeable historian. I love the story Milt tells in Will Friedwald's book on Sinatra where the band isn't individually miced on "I've Got You Under My Skin" and Milt is playing his famous solo while standing on 3 orange crates to get closer to the mic. There are substantial interviews with both Lloyd and Milt in the book Malcolm McNab and I are writing on LA studio brass players. Of the 20 players with major interviews, Milt is the only one to have passed. It is a sad day when we lose one of our heroes. Michael Millar ============================================= Michael W. Millar, D.M.A. Valencia, CA millar@music.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Oliver" To: Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 11:11 AM Subject: [TBN-L] Lloyd Ulyate Update? > Any additional news on Lloyd Ulyate and his health? > > David Oliver > Broomfield, Colorado USA > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 23:05:21 -0600 From: Bill Dinwiddie Subject: Book Michael Millar wrote: "There are substantial interviews with both Lloyd and Milt in the book Malcolm McNab and I are writing on LA studio brass players. Of the 20 players with major interviews, Milt is the only one to have passed. It = is a sad day when we lose one of our heroes." ****************************************************** Michael,=20 Very sad about Milt and Lloyd. When will your book become available? I = certainly am eager to read it. Thanks, Bill Dinwiddie billdin@comcast.net ------------------------------ End of TROMBONE-L Digest - 24 Jan 2004 to 25 Jan 2004 (#2004-26) ****************************************************************