Subject: TROMBONE-L Digest - 29 Nov 2002 to 30 Nov 2002 (#2002-140) There are 14 messages totalling 579 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. laquer stripping (6) 2. Mouthpieces for sale! 3. New Bass Tbn Solo 4. bill watrous at fort zumwalt high school st louis metro area (3) 5. bill watrous at fort zumwalt high school st louis metro area (2) 6. Conn 110H Bass Trombone on eBay ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 07:21:00 +0000 From: Daniel Pliskin Subject: Re: laquer stripping >Hey out there in trombone land. >I find myself needing to strip laquer off a bell and wondered if there > >were any suggestions. I always use epoxy stripper. It’s just stronger than standard paint remover. One way or the other, though, the stuff is nasty and you’ll need to wear junk cloths, rubber gloves and glasses. Also, have water near by, because it Will get on your skin and it Will burn. Apply the stripper carefully only brushing in one direction, so as not to splash the stripper around. Then take the trombone into the shower and spray it down. If it’s old-fashioned lacquer, that should get most of it off. If it’s some newer stuff, you may want to remove bits of it with 0000-grade steel wool. Four-ought steel wool will leave the brass shiny, but will cut through the lacquer. If the lacquer seems to be coming off, but it didn’t all come off the first time, apply more stripper to it and try again. If it’s epoxy, epoxy stripper may not even touch it. Don’t ask me why they call it epoxy stripper if is doesn’t strip epoxy, but it sometimes just doesn’t work. That 0000-grade steel wool is also good for removing finish is cracks and crevices that somehow managed to survive the stripper. Now, you can also strip most of a trombone with a buffing wheel. But remember that the buffing wheel would just as soon throw that piece of trombone across the room. So, if you are going to strip the trombone with a buffing wheel, make sure that you’ve got a really good hold of it and go easy. You may want to put mandrels into some of the parts, to give them extra weight and give you something to hold on to. Once you’ve got the lacquer off, feast your ears on how wonderful an un-lacquered trombone sounds. DanP _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 09:05:21 +0100 From: Ben van Dijk Subject: Mouthpieces for sale! Dear friends, I am selling a lot of my mouthpieces, some are in mint condition and can be very interesting for you. I have them in auction on eBay with a description and price per mouthpiece. Please go to my site www.basstrombone.nl and you will see the information and the link to Ebay. More mouthpieces are coming soon! Greetings, Ben van Dijk Basstrombone Rotterdam Philharmonic Rotterdam Conservatory Royal Northern College of Music, Manchester www.basstrombone.nl ben@basstrombone.nl ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 08:12:55 -0600 From: "D.J. Kennedy" Subject: Re: laquer stripping if its a bach -youre in luck most others have epox finish aircraft finish remover ////epoxy remover olde king orange is extremely difficult --better to ship it than whip it use a bristle brush --for epox -try a spot under the bell by tuning slide to see what will happen sometimes it is slow --the steel wool trick will work--- i used easy off in an effort to remove king orange it worked -but dont leave it sit overnight ----- unless you are into very unusual patinas Daniel Pliskin wrote: > >Hey out there in trombone land. > >I find myself needing to strip laquer off a bell and wondered if there > > >were any suggestions. > > I always use epoxy stripper. It’s just stronger than standard paint > remover. > > One way or the other, though, the stuff is nasty and you’ll need to wear > junk cloths, rubber gloves and glasses. Also, have water near by, because > it Will get on your skin and it Will burn. > > Apply the stripper carefully only brushing in one direction, so as not to > splash the stripper around. Then take the trombone into the shower and > spray it down. If it’s old-fashioned lacquer, that should get most of it > off. If it’s some newer stuff, you may want to remove bits of it with > 0000-grade steel wool. Four-ought steel wool will leave the brass shiny, > but will cut through the lacquer. > > If the lacquer seems to be coming off, but it didn’t all come off the first > time, apply more stripper to it and try again. > > If it’s epoxy, epoxy stripper may not even touch it. Don’t ask me why they > call it epoxy stripper if is doesn’t strip epoxy, but it sometimes just > doesn’t work. > > That 0000-grade steel wool is also good for removing finish is cracks and > crevices that somehow managed to survive the stripper. > > Now, you can also strip most of a trombone with a buffing wheel. But > remember that the buffing wheel would just as soon throw that piece of > trombone across the room. So, if you are going to strip the trombone with a > buffing wheel, make sure that you’ve got a really good hold of it and go > easy. You may want to put mandrels into some of the parts, to give them > extra weight and give you something to hold on to. > > Once you’ve got the lacquer off, feast your ears on how wonderful an > un-lacquered trombone sounds. > > DanP > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 08:52:25 EST From: AIREV@AOL.COM Subject: New Bass Tbn Solo Greetings Everybody, We are pleased to announce the release of the printed music for another of Norman Bolter's works, "The Blue of Neptune," for solo bass trombone with tenor trombone trio. For more information about this piece, including ordering, please visit: http://www.air-ev.com/catalogue.html Click Sheet Music in the side bar. This work is listed alphabetically under Solo Trombone. The premiere recording of this work (played by Mark Cantrell with Norman Bolter, Darren Acosta and Jim Nova) appears on Norman's new CD, "Occurrences." More information about this recording can be found at: http://www.air-ev.com/recordings.html Scroll down to "Occurrences," listed alphabetically on that page. Also, a shopping cart update. For anybody previously having trouble placing multiple item orders on our shopping cart, this glitch is fixed. Thanks to those of you who let us know about the problem and thanks to all for your patience. Happy Holidays! Carol ************************************************** Carol Viera, Ph.D. Owner, Air-ev Productions (R) Co-Director, Frequency Band (R) Endeavour E-mail: airev@aol.com/ Website: http://www.air-ev.com/ ************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 09:43:10 -0600 From: "D.J. Kennedy" Subject: Re: bill watrous at fort zumwalt high school st louis metro area it was a well rehearsed high school band with a fabulous piano ///b3 player and polite drummer full house packed in tight Wayne Dyess wrote: > No Greater love. What a great chart. > > What band was this D.J???? > just wondering. > Wayne > > >WRWatrous@aol.com wrote: > > > >> D.J. , you old devil !!! Great to see you at that gig !! Thanks for the > >> great sketches ... My wife is going to frame them both ... She thinks your`e > >> talented ....So do I ....That was a helluva lot of playin I had to > >>do on that > >> gig.... Got paid well for it , too !! The challenge is , to have the same > >> chops at the end as in the beginning .... That band can use a strong lead > >> trumpet player... they don`t have one,as you heard...Saxes and bones were > >> good ....A couple of pretty good bone players , didn`t you think ? Did you > >> notice the rhythm section have trouble ending "No greater love" ? Ifelt bad > >> for them , as I even wrote it all down for them so that wouldn`t happen !!! > >> Oh well .... shit happens , doesn`t it ?? Well , so much for that stuff ... > >> Hope you had a great Thanksgiving , Bruce too !!! Take care , and we`ll talk > >> soon !!! Bill Watrous ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 10:52:37 -0500 From: Steve Beck Subject: Re: bill watrous at fort zumwalt high school st louis metro area From: "D.J. Kennedy" and polite drummer ??? huh, what's that? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 10:41:17 -0600 From: "D.J. Kennedy" Subject: Re: bill watrous at fort zumwalt high school st louis metro area when you dont notice lots of crashing //smashing noise --and not many weird drummer faces ---- ---------- as opposed to a rock star showy type glitzy splasht obvious hammerring drummer --most of this stuff was being done by the keyboard player Steve Beck wrote: > From: "D.J. Kennedy" and polite drummer > > ??? huh, what's that? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 09:01:20 -0800 From: Gordon Cherry Subject: Conn 110H Bass Trombone on eBay CONN 110H Bass Trombone for sale on eBay. You may find this instrument for sale at the following url: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=926490124 This instrument is in as new condition and comes with: * single f-attachment rotor section * rose brass bell * chrome plated inner slides * lightweight slide * new style linkage. * .562" bore * about 3 years old (owned by the present owner for 2 years) * serial number is 5-741642 * 7512L Woodshell hard case in excellent condition * no mouthpiece These models have a list price of $2,250.00 brand new. The bass trombone has no dents and has 99.9% of its lacquer intact (there are some very small abrasions on the rotor casing, grip area, etc.), but nothing that takes anything away from its "new condition". The slide is in excellent condition and works very smoothly. Please note that you are dealing with a very reliable eBay seller with a perfect record, excellent service and great product satisfaction. As well I have 30 years in a major North American orchestra and am selling this trombone as a favor to a student. This trombone would be an excellent choice for a talented high school or junior school trombonist moving to his/her first bass trombone. If you have any questions about the instrument please do not hesitate to email. At the conclusion of this auction, a detailed email will be sent to the winning purchaser. All shipping charges,taxes, etc. will be paid by the purchaser. Method of shipping to be determined by the purchaser. A quote on the charges will be relayed by the seller and the total price to be paid will include the shipping charges based on the method (surface,express, etc.). There will be a reserve placed on this auction. Best wishes, Gordon Cherry Principal Trombone, Vancouver Symphony ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 09:50:56 -0800 From: Tom Izzo Subject: Re: bill watrous at fort zumwalt high school st louis metro area --- Steve Beck wrote: > From: "D.J. Kennedy" and polite drummer > > ??? huh, what's that? It's an Oxymoron, don't ya know! :-) Tom ===== Tom Izzo Bass Trombonist, West Suburban Symphony Orchestra Principal Trombonist, Bristol Renaissance Faire Alto/Tenor/Bass/Contrabass Trombones, Tubas, Bass Trumpet, Euphonium, Electric Bass, Percussion http://www.Geocities.com/Vienna/Studio/7875/ (630) 983-1985 __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 13:12:55 -0500 From: Craig Parmerlee Subject: Re: bill watrous at fort zumwalt high school st louis metro area At 10:52 AM 11/30/2002 -0500, Steve Beck wrote: >From: "D.J. Kennedy" and polite drummer > >??? huh, what's that? An oxymoron. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 13:15:05 EST From: ALFORDMB@AOL.COM Subject: Re: laquer stripping In a message dated 11/30/2002 8:51:58 AM Eastern Standard Time, djpens@midwest.net writes: > -but dont leave it sit overnight ----- > unless you are into very unusual patinas ========== This brings up something I have wondered about. I have seen several old, unlacquered horns with the most beautiful patina that comes with benevolent aging. Does anyone know of an agent or process that will produce a nice patina without waiting 40 years? I believe, in the art world, there are those generally considered unsavory types who are adept at faking such characteristics of age, etc. My interest is legit - I have been "reconditioning" my 50-year-old student horn, and rather than relacquer it, I would like to have an aged, bare brass look. Pipe dreams? Happy Holidays, 'Mike Alford ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 13:33:34 -0600 From: "D.J. Kennedy" Subject: Re: laquer stripping dont worry the bare brass will get patina fast enough there are patina solutions - for example -gun blueing --or say weak ammonia ferric chloride etc -- a freshly stripped horn will be brown in no time ----besides a jug of brown patina solution from rio grande costs about 50 bucks not to mention xxxxtra charges for hazmat packaging handling -add another 20 bucks ----- ALFORDMB@AOL.COM wrote: > In a message dated 11/30/2002 8:51:58 AM Eastern Standard Time, > djpens@midwest.net writes: > > > -but dont leave it sit overnight ----- > > unless you are into very unusual patinas > > ========== > This brings up something I have wondered about. I have seen several old, > unlacquered horns with the most beautiful patina that comes with benevolent > aging. Does anyone know of an agent or process that will produce a nice > patina without waiting 40 years? I believe, in the art world, there are those > generally considered unsavory types who are adept at faking such > characteristics of age, etc. My interest is legit - I have been > "reconditioning" my 50-year-old student horn, and rather than relacquer it, I > would like to have an aged, bare brass look. Pipe dreams? > Happy Holidays, > 'Mike Alford ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 16:59:36 -0500 From: john burton Subject: Re: laquer stripping I'm not certain I'd like my horn the brown of unlaquered brass, and frankly I'd rather polish it with Wrights natch. I too have been pondering stripping my 50B3 since the laquer wear shows its age. I'd especially like to brighten up the bell section. Comments in that direction??? -----Original Message----- From: Trombones and related issues forum. [mailto:TROMBONE-L@PO.MISSOURI.EDU] On Behalf Of D.J. Kennedy Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2002 2:34 PM To: TROMBONE-L@PO.MISSOURI.EDU Subject: Re: [TBN-L] laquer stripping dont worry the bare brass will get patina fast enough there are patina solutions - for example -gun blueing --or say weak ammonia ferric chloride etc -- a freshly stripped horn will be brown in no time ----besides a jug of brown patina solution from rio grande costs about 50 bucks not to mention xxxxtra charges for hazmat packaging handling -add another 20 bucks ----- ALFORDMB@AOL.COM wrote: > In a message dated 11/30/2002 8:51:58 AM Eastern Standard Time, > djpens@midwest.net writes: > > > -but dont leave it sit overnight ----- > > unless you are into very unusual patinas > > ========== > This brings up something I have wondered about. I have seen several > old, unlacquered horns with the most beautiful patina that comes with > benevolent aging. Does anyone know of an agent or process that will > produce a nice patina without waiting 40 years? I believe, in the art > world, there are those generally considered unsavory types who are > adept at faking such characteristics of age, etc. My interest is legit > - I have been "reconditioning" my 50-year-old student horn, and rather > than relacquer it, I would like to have an aged, bare brass look. > Pipe dreams? Happy Holidays, 'Mike Alford ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 17:10:50 -0600 From: "D.J. Kennedy" Subject: Re: laquer stripping bachs are ez!!!!!!!! nitrocellulose laq comes right off - w regular strippers its ez to re touch also -and thats why repair guys like it john burton wrote: > I'm not certain I'd like my horn the brown of unlaquered brass, and > frankly I'd rather polish it with Wrights natch. > > I too have been pondering stripping my 50B3 since the laquer wear shows > its age. I'd especially like to brighten up the bell section. > > Comments in that direction??? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Trombones and related issues forum. > [mailto:TROMBONE-L@PO.MISSOURI.EDU] On Behalf Of D.J. Kennedy > Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2002 2:34 PM > To: TROMBONE-L@PO.MISSOURI.EDU > Subject: Re: [TBN-L] laquer stripping > > dont worry the bare brass will get patina fast enough > there are patina solutions - > for example -gun blueing --or say weak ammonia > ferric chloride etc -- > a freshly stripped horn will be brown in no time > ----besides a jug of brown patina solution from rio grande costs > about 50 > bucks > not to mention xxxxtra charges for hazmat packaging handling -add > another 20 bucks > ----- > > ALFORDMB@AOL.COM wrote: > > > In a message dated 11/30/2002 8:51:58 AM Eastern Standard Time, > > djpens@midwest.net writes: > > > > > -but dont leave it sit overnight ----- > > > unless you are into very unusual patinas > > > > ========== > > This brings up something I have wondered about. I have seen several > > old, unlacquered horns with the most beautiful patina that comes with > > benevolent aging. Does anyone know of an agent or process that will > > produce a nice patina without waiting 40 years? I believe, in the art > > world, there are those generally considered unsavory types who are > > adept at faking such characteristics of age, etc. My interest is legit > > > - I have been "reconditioning" my 50-year-old student horn, and rather > > > than relacquer it, I would like to have an aged, bare brass look. > > Pipe dreams? Happy Holidays, 'Mike Alford ------------------------------ End of TROMBONE-L Digest - 29 Nov 2002 to 30 Nov 2002 (#2002-140) *****************************************************************