Subject: TROMBONE-L Digest - 31 Oct 2002 to 1 Nov 2002 (#2002-111) There are 19 messages totalling 825 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. digital bugle - the future? (8) 2. TAPS 3. slippery slope was RE: [TBN-L] digital bugle - the future? (3) 4. Bugles (2) 5. Contrabass Trombones & Cimbasso 6. Cimbasso for sale (2) 7. speakin o cases (2) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 09:33:18 -0500 From: richardt@LEE.ARMY.MIL Subject: digital bugle - the future? I just read a newspaper article about the new military digital bugle. This thing is amazing, and scary. The problem is that buglers to play taps at funerals are in short supply. There are only 500 buglers in the U.S. military, and 1800 funerals per day. So CD's and boomboxes have been used, and that doesn't really meet the requirement. Now there is a digital bugle. It looks like a silent brass mute, slides up into the bell of a standard bugle. It is powered by two 9 volt batteries and apparently has Taps recorded in it. About 50 of these things have been shipped to Missouri for use and testing. If the bugler can play, he does; if he's not able to, he inserts the mute and pushes the button, and Taps comes out anyway. Sort of like lip synching. (I've got this crazy idea about Bolero and the next audition. Hmmh.) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 09:56:15 EST From: Kavett@AOL.COM Subject: TAPS Actually, there is an opportunity here to provide a valued service and make a few bucks. If you are willing to get a bugle and make yourself available for playing of TAPS at veteran's funerals, you can fulfill this need. Here's how: 1) get bugle 2) practice taps 3) call your local veterans organizations and funeral homes and let them know that you are available. 4) this is seven day call possibility, usually you need to carve out an hour of time 5) you can perform important task which is quite fulfilling and honorable 6) they pay you ($100 minimum usually) You can do as much of this as you can handle. Henry Kavett New Providence, NJ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 10:05:42 -0500 From: David Buckley Subject: Re: digital bugle - the future? I definitely want one of those. Dave. richardt@LEE.ARMY.MIL wrote: > I just read a newspaper article about the new military digital bugle. This > thing is amazing, and scary. > > The problem is that buglers to play taps at funerals are in short supply. > There are only 500 buglers in the U.S. military, and 1800 funerals per day. > So CD's and boomboxes have been used, and that doesn't really meet the > requirement. > > Now there is a digital bugle. It looks like a silent brass mute, slides up > into the bell of a standard bugle. It is powered by two 9 volt batteries > and apparently has Taps recorded in it. About 50 of these things have been > shipped to Missouri for use and testing. If the bugler can play, he does; > if he's not able to, he inserts the mute and pushes the button, and Taps > comes out anyway. Sort of like lip synching. > > (I've got this crazy idea about Bolero and the next audition. Hmmh.) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 10:26:14 -0500 From: richardt@LEE.ARMY.MIL Subject: Re: digital bugle - the future? I dunno Dave, think about designing one of these. It has to be weather proof, capable of high quality sound, with volume adjustable over a large range, fit inside a bugle bell so it normally wouldn't show, rugged to the extent of being "private proof," etc. And it absolutely has to go bang, or bong, when you push the button, every time, no fail. Now add in the costs of a unique development for a very limited market, and the difficulties imposed by the government contracting regulations, which believe me, impose significant burdens. Somehow I think this is going to make the infamous $500 hammer look cheap. And I'm not alleging any misconduct, for anybody to make essentially one of a kind items to some detailed product specifications really does cost a lot. That $100 Brace probably doesn't make Gary much profit, if any; and that's sold to private individuals, not the government. I guess I'd be remiss in not mentioning that this is a serious subject. This is a product to be used for veterans who've served their country honorably and deserve a decent funeral, done with dignity and respect. Though a lipsynch bugler seems a little strange, it is an honest attempt to grapple with the problem, and would seem to be less tacky than playing a CD. Now if they can spin off something for trombones, guess we'll all be out of a job. MIDI feed to a PC and hit the ON button. (I'm assuming the current version has the tune in an EPROM or something similar.) Hey! JJ was wrong. We WON"T always have to practice . -----Original Message----- From: David Buckley [mailto:davebuckley@sympatico.ca] Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 10:06 AM To: richardt@LEE.ARMY.MIL Cc: TROMBONE-L@PO.MISSOURI.EDU Subject: Re: [TBN-L] digital bugle - the future? I definitely want one of those. Dave. richardt@LEE.ARMY.MIL wrote: > I just read a newspaper article about the new military digital bugle. This > thing is amazing, and scary. > > The problem is that buglers to play taps at funerals are in short supply. > There are only 500 buglers in the U.S. military, and 1800 funerals per day. > So CD's and boomboxes have been used, and that doesn't really meet the > requirement. > > Now there is a digital bugle. It looks like a silent brass mute, slides up > into the bell of a standard bugle. It is powered by two 9 volt batteries > and apparently has Taps recorded in it. About 50 of these things have been > shipped to Missouri for use and testing. If the bugler can play, he does; > if he's not able to, he inserts the mute and pushes the button, and Taps > comes out anyway. Sort of like lip synching. > > (I've got this crazy idea about Bolero and the next audition. Hmmh.) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 10:44:25 -0500 From: Craig Parmerlee Subject: Re: digital bugle - the future? I'm just curious how others would feel. Let's say your spouse is being buried with military honors. You cannot have a real bugler. Which of the three choices would you prefer: 1) No music at all 2) A tape playing taps 3) Some joker who doesn't know which end goes on the lips acting like he's playing taps The way I see it, option #3 is the worst of the lot. What's next? A guy dressed up like a preacher mouthing reassuring words coming from a Billy Graham video? Maybe a realistic-looking cardboard casket? No thank you. At 09:33 AM 11/1/2002 -0500, richardt@LEE.ARMY.MIL wrote: >I just read a newspaper article about the new military digital bugle. This >thing is amazing, and scary. > >The problem is that buglers to play taps at funerals are in short supply. >There are only 500 buglers in the U.S. military, and 1800 funerals per day. >So CD's and boomboxes have been used, and that doesn't really meet the >requirement. > >Now there is a digital bugle. It looks like a silent brass mute, slides up >into the bell of a standard bugle. It is powered by two 9 volt batteries >and apparently has Taps recorded in it. About 50 of these things have been >shipped to Missouri for use and testing. If the bugler can play, he does; >if he's not able to, he inserts the mute and pushes the button, and Taps >comes out anyway. Sort of like lip synching. > >(I've got this crazy idea about Bolero and the next audition. Hmmh.) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 09:55:54 -0600 From: "D.J. Kennedy" Subject: Re: digital bugle - the future? yeah there are plenty of tromboners -too bad they cant play the bugle - ----most of the buglers use trumpets anyway - -drive by jefferson barracks in st louis anytime --funerals -now that theleaves are falling you can see the neat rows of white grave markers -- an ever growing crop in fields and hills -- carswithlights on winding up the road ww2 ----the survivors and kids still play glen miller richardt@LEE.ARMY.MIL wrote: > I dunno Dave, think about designing one of these. > > It has to be weather proof, capable of high quality sound, with volume > adjustable over a large range, fit inside a bugle bell so it normally > wouldn't show, rugged to the extent of being "private proof," etc. And it > absolutely has to go bang, or bong, when you push the button, every time, no > fail. Now add in the costs of a unique development for a very limited > market, and the difficulties imposed by the government contracting > regulations, which believe me, impose significant burdens. > > Somehow I think this is going to make the infamous $500 hammer look cheap. > And I'm not alleging any misconduct, for anybody to make essentially one of > a kind items to some detailed product specifications really does cost a lot. > That $100 Brace probably doesn't make Gary much profit, if any; and that's > sold to private individuals, not the government. > > I guess I'd be remiss in not mentioning that this is a serious subject. > This is a product to be used for veterans who've served their country > honorably and deserve a decent funeral, done with dignity and respect. > Though a lipsynch bugler seems a little strange, it is an honest attempt to > grapple with the problem, and would seem to be less tacky than playing a CD. > > Now if they can spin off something for trombones, guess we'll all be out of > a job. MIDI feed to a PC and hit the ON button. (I'm assuming the current > version has the tune in an EPROM or something similar.) Hey! JJ was wrong. > We WON"T always have to practice . > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Buckley [mailto:davebuckley@sympatico.ca] > Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 10:06 AM > To: richardt@LEE.ARMY.MIL > Cc: TROMBONE-L@PO.MISSOURI.EDU > Subject: Re: [TBN-L] digital bugle - the future? > > I definitely want one of those. > > Dave. > > richardt@LEE.ARMY.MIL wrote: > > > I just read a newspaper article about the new military digital bugle. > This > > thing is amazing, and scary. > > > > The problem is that buglers to play taps at funerals are in short supply. > > There are only 500 buglers in the U.S. military, and 1800 funerals per > day. > > So CD's and boomboxes have been used, and that doesn't really meet the > > requirement. > > > > Now there is a digital bugle. It looks like a silent brass mute, slides > up > > into the bell of a standard bugle. It is powered by two 9 volt batteries > > and apparently has Taps recorded in it. About 50 of these things have > been > > shipped to Missouri for use and testing. If the bugler can play, he does; > > if he's not able to, he inserts the mute and pushes the button, and Taps > > comes out anyway. Sort of like lip synching. > > > > (I've got this crazy idea about Bolero and the next audition. Hmmh.) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 09:59:54 -0600 From: "D.J. Kennedy" Subject: Re: digital bugle - the future? yeah its kinda like ---the disc spinners -taking over band jobs -- symphony in a box -synths Craig Parmerlee wrote: > I'm just curious how others would feel. Let's say your spouse is being > buried with military honors. You cannot have a real bugler. Which of the > three choices would you prefer: > > 1) No music at all > 2) A tape playing taps > 3) Some joker who doesn't know which end goes on the lips acting like he's > playing taps > > The way I see it, option #3 is the worst of the lot. What's next? A guy > dressed up like a preacher mouthing reassuring words coming from a Billy > Graham video? Maybe a realistic-looking cardboard casket? No thank you. > > At 09:33 AM 11/1/2002 -0500, richardt@LEE.ARMY.MIL wrote: > >I just read a newspaper article about the new military digital bugle. This > >thing is amazing, and scary. > > > >The problem is that buglers to play taps at funerals are in short supply. > >There are only 500 buglers in the U.S. military, and 1800 funerals per day. > >So CD's and boomboxes have been used, and that doesn't really meet the > >requirement. > > > >Now there is a digital bugle. It looks like a silent brass mute, slides up > >into the bell of a standard bugle. It is powered by two 9 volt batteries > >and apparently has Taps recorded in it. About 50 of these things have been > >shipped to Missouri for use and testing. If the bugler can play, he does; > >if he's not able to, he inserts the mute and pushes the button, and Taps > >comes out anyway. Sort of like lip synching. > > > >(I've got this crazy idea about Bolero and the next audition. Hmmh.) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 10:09:39 -0600 From: Jeff Albert Subject: slippery slope was RE: [TBN-L] digital bugle - the future? > 3) Some joker who doesn't know which end goes on the lips acting like he's > playing taps > > The way I see it, option #3 is the worst of the lot. What's next? A guy > dressed up like a preacher mouthing reassuring words coming from a Billy > Graham video? Maybe a realistic-looking cardboard casket? No thank you. > I disagree. I really doubt that it would be "Some joker who doesn't know which end goes on the lips." It would be a soldier or vet trained to do that in a respectful and classy manner, which would be easier to learn than actually playing the bugle. It's not THAT different from the honor guard shooting blanks for the 21 gun salute. I see it as a less than perfect solution to a difficult problem. Obviously a real bugler would be better, but this could be a way to honor our veterans and the tradition of a having Taps at their funerals, when a real bugler is not available. Everything doesn't have to be the top of a slippery slope to absurdity. jeff ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 11:22:21 -0500 From: Craig Parmerlee Subject: Re: slippery slope was RE: [TBN-L] digital bugle - the future? At 10:09 AM 11/1/2002 -0600, Jeff Albert wrote: > > 3) Some joker who doesn't know which end goes on the lips acting like >he's > > playing taps > > > > The way I see it, option #3 is the worst of the lot. What's next? A >guy > > dressed up like a preacher mouthing reassuring words coming from a >Billy > > Graham video? Maybe a realistic-looking cardboard casket? No thank >you. > > > >I disagree. I really doubt that it would be "Some joker who doesn't >know which end goes on the lips." It would be a soldier or vet trained >to do that in a respectful and classy manner, which would be easier to >learn than actually playing the bugle. It's not THAT different from the >honor guard shooting blanks for the 21 gun salute. I see it as a less >than perfect solution to a difficult problem. Obviously a real bugler >would be better, but this could be a way to honor our veterans and the >tradition of a having Taps at their funerals, when a real bugler is not >available. Everything doesn't have to be the top of a slippery slope to >absurdity. > >jeff If it an option that people choose, I'm all for anything that can give them some comfort at the dark hour. I'm just saying that for me, this doesn't seem very respectful. Memo to wife: No lip-syncing at my funeral, please. And no rap music. And no disco. And no blues. And no country except maybe Willie Nelson and Kenny Rogers. Aw forget it. Just scatter my ashes and be done with it. :) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 17:11:10 +0000 From: "J.c. Sherman" Subject: Bugles There was a news segment I watched talking about this "bugle" problem. "Bugles Across America" is a foundation set up to try to get live buglers at veterens funerals. The founder heard that veterans were being buried to CDs (or other replacements) and decided to do something about it. His organization is a volunteer one, though he urges recipients to honor a "suggested donation" to the bugler. My father (and his father) are veterans. I was very moved by this news segment when I thought that one of them might have to suffer the indignity of a CD player. In my view, there's no excuse for this. There are thousands of trumpeters and potential buglers out there - it's just difficult to find one when you are a member of a bereved family who simply is leaving the details to someone who may not know how to find a player. I had an old Olds 2-valve bugle, and I've excised the valves, and am almost done overhauling it. I intend to sign up! Someone has to. While many trombonists don't feel comfortable with the small mouthpiece, I've heard some hideous bugel players in my life - and most of us could do an honorable job. Consider it. A functional bugle costs squat, and a very good one (which I will have soon :-) costs little more. And in this sad economic climate, one could go out there and do something noble, and collect for themselves as well. And it helps us all - LIVE music SELLS live music. If a family is able to hear a good taps for their loved one's funeral, they may remember that when the orchestra asks for a donation. Another selfish element, I guess (I am a development officer after all), but a very real issue. Bottom line - think about it. If you only do it twice and hate it, you've made two familys' lives better at a difficult time. And you have honored yourself and your nation. Bugles Across America. They're on the web. Time to get off the soap box... J.c. Sherman ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 17:15:27 +0000 From: "J.c. Sherman" Subject: Contrabass Trombones & Cimbasso To all who responded to my Contra/Cimbasso Questions. I got some great ideas out of it, and am (in some ways) clearer on what to build for myself for my next contra. Part II - Survey: For those of you who own a Contra or Cimbasso, who has one, and what do you have? And does anyone out ther have or use an G,F, or Eb BASS trombone? Thanks again for all the help! J.c. Sherman ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 13:49:17 EST From: Beldon Wade Subject: Re: digital bugle - the future? No JJ was not wrong. If anyone ever can do a recorded piece for use in the year 2050 somebody is going to have to practice. beldon wade ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 18:01:06 -0500 From: Douglas Yeo Subject: Cimbasso for sale A friend and former student from many years ago, David Yacus, is selling a cimbasso. David has been an active player in opera houses in Italy for many years but is turning his attention to his new (and very successful) career playing sackbut. Hence he is selling his cimbasso, an instrument he has used extensively in performance and recordings. David is not on the trombone-l so he has asked me to post these details of the instrument. A photo may be found on my website at http://www.yeodoug.com/yacuscimbasso.jpg Please do not contact me about this instrument and sale. Address any questions or inquiries directly to the seller, David Yacus, at: davita@centroin.it The instrument is in Massachusetts; buyer will pay shipping from there. The price below is firm; if a buyer does not come forward in the next couple of weeks, David will move the horn to a dealer who will sell it at a significantly marked up price that what it's being offered for now. I have played this instrument and have found it to have a terrific sound (I'm not buying it because I already have two contrabass trombones). It is in excellent condition and has been very well cared for. Someone will give it a nice home. -Doug Yeo ======= Cimbasso for Sale $2000.00 FIRM + shipping/insurance from Massachusetts Details below by the seller, David Yacus - davita@centroin.it Photo available at http://www.yeodoug.com/yacuscimbasso.jpg http://www.yeodoug.com/yacuscimbasso.jpg This "cimbasso" made by Scherzer in Augsburg, Germany. It's a hand-held instrument (held straight out, like a trombone) similar in form to the instruments used in nineteenth century in Italy. It is not similar to those excessively large instruments that we see on the market by makers such as Melton or Rudy Meinl: its sound is more focused and compact than these more "symphonic tuba" style instruments. It is in F and has four rotary valves, the first and fourth can be manipulated for accurate intonation. I have always used a modern bass-trombone mouthpiece with a small shank; friends and colleagues have used various other mouthpieces with this instrument, including tuba mouthpieces with small-bore trombone-sized shanks. I have also had an extra slide built for the fourth valve in which puts the fourth valve in Bb rather than C (even if I always use the fourth valve in C, I wanted to have the possibility of covering the entire chromatic spectrum). It has its own custom made hard-case. Just what is a cimbasso? No one really knows. Originally the term probably referred to an instrument such as the "Russian bassoon", "corno di basso", or the "basshorn". Musicologist Renato Meucci has suggested that the term was derived from an an abbreviated form of "corno di basso" - "c.basso". The scores and parts of Verdi, Puccini, Respighi, and other nineteenth-century italian composers most often call for a "cimbasso" or "trombone basso" as the lowest member of the brass family. The instrument most commonly used for this role in Verdi's time was probably a valve bass trombone in F. In fact Verdi himself expressed a preference for this instrument as the lowest of the brasses because it was from the same family as the others and therefore blended with them better than the "bombardone", a term used to describe both the ophicleide and the tuba. Some modern makers manufacture instruments and call them cimbassi. Since the lowest part of the brasses in a modern orchestra is usually played by a tubist, these instruments are designed with the orchestral tubist in mind and can be of very large dimensions. Tubists often mistakenly regard them as a kind of tuba. These so-called modern "cimbassi", like their nineteenth-century predecessors, are in reality cylindrical-bore instruments and therefore members of the trombone family. My instrument was custom-built to be similar in form to nineteenth-century instruments but it is not a copy of a specific original instrument: it is a modern instrument with the modern player and ensemble in mind. ========= -- Douglas Yeo Bass Trombonist, Boston Symphony Orchestra Music Director, The New England Brass Band dyeo@rcn.com /// yeo@yeodoug.com http://www.yeodoug.com <>< ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 17:49:14 -0500 From: Steve Beck Subject: Re: digital bugle - the future? From: "Craig Parmerlee" What's next? A guy dressed up like a preacher mouthing reassuring words coming from a Billy Graham video? Maybe a realistic-looking cardboard casket? I hope no one breaks it to Craig that they have machines that can actually record sound and video and play it back. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 16:13:27 -0800 From: Rod Ellard Subject: Re: slippery slope was RE: [TBN-L] digital bugle - the future? Craig wrote: > Memo to wife: No lip-syncing at my funeral, please. And no rap > music. And no disco. And no blues. And no country except maybe Willie > Nelson and Kenny Rogers. Aw forget it. Just scatter my ashes and be done > with it. :) > For me, forget Kenny, but Willie can sing "On the Road Again". A big band playing One O'Clock Jump might be nice. Or ToP playing "So Very Hard to Go." Rod ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 19:35:46 -0500 From: Craig Parmerlee Subject: Re: Cimbasso for sale At 06:01 PM 11/1/2002 -0500, Douglas Yeo wrote: >A friend and former student from many years ago, David Yacus, is >selling a cimbasso. David has been an active player in opera houses >in Italy for many years but is turning his attention to his new (and >very successful) career playing sackbut. I'm speechless (which may be a first). There must be some term somewhere in the Human Recourses textbooks that applies to a guy who takes a career path from cimbasso to sackbut. :) Sometimes the most successful (and happiest) people are the ones who find their perfect niche. Ya gotta admire anybody who would do this. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 18:41:12 -0600 From: Tom Izzo Subject: Re: Bugles Since Most "bugles" outside of the military, are really Trumpets (or Cornets), How about us Bass Trumpeters? I'd say we're a little classier than recorded bugle sounds, (and we can EVEN play in more than one key!) :-) There are a few of us here on the TRb-L. Give us a hollar. Tom ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 19:57:18 -0600 From: Pat & Jo McFarland Subject: Re: speakin o cases FYI... I use an Alteri double-trombone bag. My trombone bell section is in one of the bell pockets. I keep my mutes in the other bell pocket (straight, cup, plunger, solotone, & practice). I use a plastic flat portable parts carrier to hold cleaning supplies, lead pipes, tuner, metronome, extral m'pieces, etc... It fits nicely in the bag's big pocket. I can also fit a music folder or two, rags, and my trombone stand in the big pocket I keep my main m-pieces, S.O.M. (sorry!), and spray bottle in the small pocket. I use 2 slides (not at the same time!) and carry them both at all times so I don't forget. The only thing I don't like about it is the weight... But I don't ever have to worry about forgetting anything. By the way, I usually wear it like a back pack. Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Shriver" To: Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2002 12:51 PM Subject: Re: [TBN-L] speakin o cases > Though its not very convenient I've taken to hauling 2 cases plus my > horn(s). I use a soft leather briefcase type bag for my music, cleaning > supplies, towel, water bottle, appointment book, aspirin, pencils, > tuner, trombone stand, etc. When I've got a gig that requires mutes I > carry a second bag with just mutes in it. My mute bag is big enough > that I can put my folding music stand in it if I have to. > > It would be nice to have a single case that would be big enough for > everything. The problem is, it would need to be a very large bag for > all that. Since I don't need mutes all that often even if I had a > single bag for everything there would often be a lot of wasted space. > > The real problem is when I need to take 2 horns and 2 sets of mutes to a > gig. On those days I feel like I need to hire a few Sherpas. > > Clear Skies, > David Shriver > Bass Trombone > Brass Band of the Tri-State > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Trombones and related issues forum. > [mailto:TROMBONE-L@PO.MISSOURI.EDU] On Behalf Of john burton > Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2002 2:14 PM > To: TROMBONE-L@PO.MISSOURI.EDU > Subject: Re: [TBN-L] speakin o cases > > > > I've been carrying music stand, trombone stand, pencils galore, > mentronome, tuning gizmo, trombontine and extra rags of several sorts, > plus a towel (under the spit valve doncha know) around in a gym bag for > a long time. But I'm having to add a straight mute, a cup mute to the > collection, and now I haven't room for all my junk in the gym bag > (betcha next I have to drag a bucket mute around!) > > What do you's guys that do this for a living use to tote your stuff > around in? A bigger gym bag, or are there other suggestions? I know > one of the trumpet guys in the orchestra gave up and started toting his > horn and all his stuff in a well-padded suitcase. Might not be an > option for a 50B3! > > Ideas from the pros? > > --==jb==-- > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 21:02:58 -0500 From: Dale Cruse Subject: Re: speakin o cases I'd like to go ahead and formally introduce our next topic for discussion: Good gig bags for those new digital bugles equipped with Thayer valves. Anybody know where I can find one? --- Dale Cruse www.DaleCruse.com Setting you up for online success. On 11/1/02 8:57 PM, "Pat & Jo McFarland" wrote: > FYI... I use an Alteri double-trombone bag. My trombone bell section is in > one of the bell pockets. I keep my mutes in the other bell pocket > (straight, cup, plunger, solotone, & practice). I use a plastic flat > portable parts carrier to hold cleaning supplies, lead pipes, tuner, > metronome, extral m'pieces, etc... It fits nicely in the bag's big pocket. > I can also fit a music folder or two, rags, and my trombone stand in the big > pocket I keep my main m-pieces, S.O.M. (sorry!), and spray bottle in the > small pocket. I use 2 slides (not at the same time!) and carry them both at > all times so I don't forget. The only thing I don't like about it is the > weight... But I don't ever have to worry about forgetting anything. By the > way, I usually wear it like a back pack. > > Pat > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Shriver" > To: > Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2002 12:51 PM > Subject: Re: [TBN-L] speakin o cases > > >> Though its not very convenient I've taken to hauling 2 cases plus my >> horn(s). I use a soft leather briefcase type bag for my music, cleaning >> supplies, towel, water bottle, appointment book, aspirin, pencils, >> tuner, trombone stand, etc. When I've got a gig that requires mutes I >> carry a second bag with just mutes in it. My mute bag is big enough >> that I can put my folding music stand in it if I have to. >> >> It would be nice to have a single case that would be big enough for >> everything. The problem is, it would need to be a very large bag for >> all that. Since I don't need mutes all that often even if I had a >> single bag for everything there would often be a lot of wasted space. >> >> The real problem is when I need to take 2 horns and 2 sets of mutes to a >> gig. On those days I feel like I need to hire a few Sherpas. >> >> Clear Skies, >> David Shriver >> Bass Trombone >> Brass Band of the Tri-State >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Trombones and related issues forum. >> [mailto:TROMBONE-L@PO.MISSOURI.EDU] On Behalf Of john burton >> Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2002 2:14 PM >> To: TROMBONE-L@PO.MISSOURI.EDU >> Subject: Re: [TBN-L] speakin o cases >> >> >> >> I've been carrying music stand, trombone stand, pencils galore, >> mentronome, tuning gizmo, trombontine and extra rags of several sorts, >> plus a towel (under the spit valve doncha know) around in a gym bag for >> a long time. But I'm having to add a straight mute, a cup mute to the >> collection, and now I haven't room for all my junk in the gym bag >> (betcha next I have to drag a bucket mute around!) >> >> What do you's guys that do this for a living use to tote your stuff >> around in? A bigger gym bag, or are there other suggestions? I know >> one of the trumpet guys in the orchestra gave up and started toting his >> horn and all his stuff in a well-padded suitcase. Might not be an >> option for a 50B3! >> >> Ideas from the pros? >> >> --==jb==-- ------------------------------ End of TROMBONE-L Digest - 31 Oct 2002 to 1 Nov 2002 (#2002-111) ****************************************************************