Subject: TROMBONE-L Digest - 27 Oct 2002 to 28 Oct 2002 (#2002-107) There are 31 messages totalling 1083 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. Interchangable Conn Parts (4) 2. this thing keeps coming back (7) 3. OTJ Classifieds Update - 10/28/2002 4. "German" bass trb on eBay (6) 5. Bach Heavyweight bell (2) 6. Bach heavy bells (2) 7. Janacek Sinfonietta 8. bass trombone case 9. Cadenzas (5) 10. Johnny Polanco 11. Florida State Trombone Studio Website ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 01:23:15 -0400 From: sabutin Subject: Re: Interchangable Conn Parts >Elisabeth Frederick wrote: > >> I have a bell section at home that is a Conn 4H. On ebay someone is selling >> one that fits a 6H, are those the same size?? > > > >All the Conn small bore horns should have the same receivers on them. > >Eric Swanson =========== But that doesn't mean all the slides + bells will be the proper relative lengths. S. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 23:39:01 -0700 From: David Oliver Subject: Re: Interchangable Conn Parts I have a 1936 Conn 4H and a 1958 Conn 6H. I tried just now, and I could get the 6H slide assembly on the 4H bell section, but it was almost a friction fit, and I couldn't do a lot of turns. After tightening down, some threads on the bell receiver were exposed. The converse was true of the 6H bell on the 4H slide, but this seemed to be a better fit. It was almost to the point of being tightened all the way and still having some slop, but it made it. Hope this helps. David Oliver Elisabeth Frederick wrote: > Hello List, > > I have a bell section at home that is a Conn 4H. On ebay someone is selling > one that fits a 6H, are those the same size?? > > Thanks!! > > Elisabeth ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 06:44:39 +0000 From: Daniel Pliskin Subject: Re: this thing keeps coming back >Whenever I start my playing day really early, without quite >enough time to warm up the way I'd like to, I break out in >a painful zit in exactly the same place above my upper lip. My prescription for acne is to wash your face, every time you’re in the bathroom. It always worked for me. DanP _________________________________________________________________ Surf the Web without missing calls! Get MSN Broadband. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/freeactivation.asp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 02:52:36 EST From: SteveInside@AOL.COM Subject: Re: this thing keeps coming back In a message dated 27/10/02 23:29:19 GMT Standard Time, glangfur@YAHOO.COM writes: > I sit and > get cold and then play, several times. I think my > mouthpiece placement is also a little bit less stable when > I have to play without much warmup, so maybe the extra > motion of metal across my skin causes the irritation. > -------------------------------------------------------- That's interesting. I get frequent coldsores (I don't know if that's what you call them in the USA, the herpes simplex virus I think) and sometimes, when a coldsore begins but my body fights it off, it turns to a tiny, sharp-headed zit that is sore and lasts about two days. I've always presumed it's my body dealing with the virus attack. So I'm wondering if you have a dormant herpes virus. The fact that it's in exactly the same place seems significant to me, as the virus lives on the nerve itself and travels up to the surface during an attack. Temperature or any unusual stimuli triggers it. If I put a cold mouthpiece on my lips, I invariably get a coldsore twenty-four or thirty-six hours later. Over blowing or just blowing too hard when I haven't warmed up properly also trigger it. Avoidance is the key for me. I keep my mouthpiece in my pocket most of the time and for short periods I sometimes keep it my hand. That way it stays warm even if I don't. The only danger that goes with that is that I'm a clumsy oaf, and the more I take my mouthpiece out of the horn, the more likely I am to drop it. Don't know if any of that is useful, but I hope so. Best regards, Steve C ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 08:11:42 -0000 From: Adrian Drover Subject: Re: this thing keeps coming back From: "Daniel Pliskin" > My prescription for acne is to wash your face, every time you're in the > bathroom. It always worked for me. Heard on the TV news recently that face transplants are now possible. I could do with some new trombone chops, but can't find a donor. A. Adrian Drover ADIOS, Scotland www.adios.co.uk Personal email: adrian@adios.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 06:22:20 -0600 From: Chris Waage Subject: OTJ Classifieds Update - 10/28/2002 The Online Trombone Journal Classifieds (http://www.trombone.org/classifieds) have been updated as of 6:22 AM CDT on October 28, 2002. - - - - - Thank you for using the OTJ Classifieds! - - - - - OTJ Classifieds Frequently Asked Questions http://www.trombone.org/classifieds/faq.asp OTJ Gift Shoppe: http://www.cafepress.com/cp/store/store.aspx?storeid=trombones If you have any questions or comments about the Online Trombone Journal Classifieds, please contact me at chris@trombone.org. Chris -- ________________________________________________ Chris Waage, Associate Webmaster chris@trombone.org http://www.trombone.org - A web site for trombonists ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 07:44:50 -0600 From: Harry Wootan Subject: Re: "German" bass trb on eBay Chris, Based on your description ... those horns aren't nearly as bad as I've heard! ;-) On the bright side ... if you get one with a "solid leadpipe", then those out of tune partials won't really matter that much. -- Harry -----Original Message----- From: Chris Waage [mailto:chris@TROMBONE.ORG] Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 6:31 PM Subject: Re: "German" bass trb on eBay 1. Is the leadpipe hole drilled? I've seen Parrots with a solid (read "UNPLAYABLE") piece where the leadpipe was supposed to be. 2. Use care if you touch the ends of the inner slide. They're usually band-sawed and unfinshed, which means if you touch them, you'll need some band-aids - they're sharp. 3. If it can be played, it will probably be quite flat or quite sharp, and the partials will be badly out of tune. Look for the tuning Bb (top of the staff, bass clef) to be nearly a quarter-tone flat compared to the low Bb. 4. The spring on the water key (if it has one) will probably be very cheap, and will break fairly soon. 5. The threads on the bell receiver will be soft, and probably strip quite easily. 6. The rotor will not line up properly, and will be quite stuffy. 7. The case will be slightly better than cardboard, but not much. Don't get it wet. OK - I'm cynical. Chris ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 02:53:50 +1300 From: Hamish Dean Subject: Bach Heavyweight bell I have some questions about the Bach heavyweight bells. How can you tell the difference between heavyweight and regular? Do the have this option on all their models? (16,36,42,50 etc) Is heavyweight available on gold brass and sterling bells too? Are there only two weights (heavy and regular) or are their others as well? Do they/Cann they (Bach) make a red brass bell? (As opposed to gold brass) Thanks in advance Hamish ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 14:10:37 -0000 From: Adrian Drover Subject: Re: "German" bass trb on eBay From: Chris Waage [mailto:chris@TROMBONE.ORG] > 1. Is the leadpipe hole drilled? I've seen Parrots with a solid (read > "UNPLAYABLE") piece where the leadpipe was supposed to be. > > 2. Use care if you touch the ends of the inner slide. They're usually > band-sawed and unfinshed, which means if you touch them, you'll need > some band-aids - they're sharp. > > 3. If it can be played, it will probably be quite flat or quite sharp, > and the partials will be badly out of tune. Look for the tuning Bb (top > of the staff, bass clef) to be nearly a quarter-tone flat compared to > the low Bb. > > 4. The spring on the water key (if it has one) will probably be very > cheap, and will break fairly soon. > > 5. The threads on the bell receiver will be soft, and probably strip > quite easily. > > 6. The rotor will not line up properly, and will be quite stuffy. > > 7. The case will be slightly better than cardboard, but not much. Don't > get it wet. But apart from these minor irritations, they're great horns! A. Adrian Drover ADIOS, Scotland www.adios.co.uk Personal email: adrian@adios.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 09:22:52 -0500 From: Joestanko@AOL.COM Subject: Bach heavy bells Hamish, Bach heavy bells have an H in the engraving; they're available in gold and yellow brass - I don't know about sterling. I have seen an "H" bell in medium on a 42; it was engraved "42GHM". I have seen 42's and 50's, but I haven't seen other models with H bells. As Bach makes trumpets this way - I've seen a number of them - it's reasonable to assume that any trombone could have one. It's possible to order just a heavy flare; just make sure the part number is correct for the "H" designation. Hope this helps, Joe Stanko ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 08:41:35 -0600 From: "D.J. Kennedy" Subject: Re: "German" bass trb on eBay i dunno i disagree -i got a ching sling -and the case is fantastic -its one of the nicest cases made !!!!!!! -the bell catches dust as good as any other horn -and if you ever need brass tube for plumbing the outer slide is nice and heavy -- Harry Wootan wrote: > Chris, > > Based on your description ... those horns aren't nearly as bad as I've > heard! ;-) > > On the bright side ... if you get one with a "solid leadpipe", then > those out of tune partials won't really matter that much. > > -- Harry > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Waage [mailto:chris@TROMBONE.ORG] > Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 6:31 PM > Subject: Re: "German" bass trb on eBay > > 1. Is the leadpipe hole drilled? I've seen Parrots with a solid (read > "UNPLAYABLE") piece where the leadpipe was supposed to be. > > 2. Use care if you touch the ends of the inner slide. They're usually > band-sawed and unfinshed, which means if you touch them, you'll need > some band-aids - they're sharp. > > 3. If it can be played, it will probably be quite flat or quite sharp, > and the partials will be badly out of tune. Look for the tuning Bb (top > of the staff, bass clef) to be nearly a quarter-tone flat compared to > the low Bb. > > 4. The spring on the water key (if it has one) will probably be very > cheap, and will break fairly soon. > > 5. The threads on the bell receiver will be soft, and probably strip > quite easily. > > 6. The rotor will not line up properly, and will be quite stuffy. > > 7. The case will be slightly better than cardboard, but not much. Don't > get it wet. > > OK - I'm cynical. > > Chris ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 10:14:08 EST From: Beldon Wade Subject: Re: Interchangable Conn Parts That may go way back too, my 1947 Pan American receiver fits my 1990 18H slide and vice versa. beldon wade ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 10:19:49 EST From: Beldon Wade Subject: Re: this thing keeps coming back You gotta be careful about the surgeon too. He has to be trustworthy. I heard of the guy that complained after surgery that everytime he sits down his face gets tired. beldon wade ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 15:25:22 +0000 From: "J.c. Sherman" Subject: Re: Bach heavy bells Medium?! M is for the Open Goosneck... (Like my own...) J.c. Sherman > Hamish, Bach heavy bells have an H in the engraving; they're available in gold > and yellow brass - I don't know about sterling. > > I have seen an "H" bell in medium on a 42; it was engraved "42GHM". > > I have seen 42's and 50's, but I haven't seen other models with H bells. As Bach > makes trumpets this way - I've seen a number of them - it's reasonable to assume > that any trombone could have one. > > It's possible to order just a heavy flare; just make sure the part number is > correct for the "H" designation. > > Hope this helps, > > Joe Stanko ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 10:29:29 -0500 From: Roger Hecht Subject: Re: Janacek Sinfonietta About the following, I think the notion we'll never know is probably correct, unless something new comes up in Janacek scholarship. (Or it has and we/I don't know about it.) I can say this--as a matter of speculation, of course. Janacek wrote Sinfonietta during that late in life burst of creativity that resulted from his passion for Kamila Stasslova. He wrote many, if not most, of his greatest works during this time, including several operas. During the process he wrote at great speed, in the process creating many inconsistencies and problems. He also could be sloppy in his writing. Nor was it always easy to discern what he meant in the way he wrote rhythms, effects, etc. Jaroslav Vogel a Janacek conductor and biographer, wrote a fascinating chapter on problems with determining what Janacek meant in passages and ways to achieve what Janacek was after. Speaking generally, not necessarily of Sinfonietta, about which I have no specifics--Janacek's works, particularly the operas, have been subject to all sorts of revisions. Often performers would touch up something to make it more playable. Janacek sometimes allowed conductors to tinker with his orchestration, e.g, Karel Kavarovic revised his Jenufa before agreeing to conduct it. (See Charles Mackerras' recording on London for the original.) Janacek himself revised his Slavonic Mass to accommodate the skills of its first performers. That is the version we hear today. (Mackerras's recording of Wingfield's edition of the original version on Chandos is fascinating.) Janacek students produced an edition of From the House of the Dead that is very different from the starker, more brilliant original (for which, again, see Mackerras). Their rational was that the stark open orchestration was a sign that Janacek had never completed his last opera. (This business about stark orchestration and Janacek's liking for combining extremes of registers does argue for the tuba in Sinfonietta since it provides more possibilities for contrast. Still, there are those anamolies Howard Weiner pointed out.) Finally, to my knowledge, it's worth pointing out that Sinfonietta is one of the less controversial Janacek scores in terms of problems of this nature. The most famous of the problems (other than in works that had to be completed, e.g., the Violin Concerto, Danube, etc.) came with the operas. And of course the Slavonic Mass. Absent more information, the whole business about four trombones/tuba is probably either a copyist problem or inconsistency by the composer himself. I also think there was a revised edition of the score in the mix, but I have no idea what role, if any, that played. Edward Solomon: If you check the recent Edition Eulenburg score of the Sinfonietta, it confirms that Janacek's orchestration is for three trombones and tuba. The fourth trombone is completely erroneous and stems from a copyist error. Edward Solomon wrote further: Correct. Three trombones and tuba - *only*. Where you see fourth trombone, read tuba. It does actually all make sense, all the more so as that was Janacek's original intention. Besides, from what I recall, the spurious fourth trombone is involved only when the tuba isn't, for the most part. Anyway, anything that's marked fourth trombone is supposed to be tuba. Howard Weiner Thank you for bringing this to our attention. This is very interesting, but I think that it is a bit more complicated than it seems at first glance and that the confusion is not just the copyist's fault. I have the feeling that Janacek was not quite sure what he really wanted, or rather that he wanted different things at different times. I did however find a pocket score, which contains the following information: Sources: 1. autograph score 2. engraving score, copied from the autograph under the composer's supervision and containing corrections in his own hand "In many pasages the autograph manuscript prescribes "4 Poz." (trombones), sometimes also "Tuba" (e.g. mvt. III, 4 before [4] and 5 before [12]: "Poz. 1/2/3; Tuba"); from mvt. IV onwards only the markings "4 Poz." or simply "Poz." occur. It is possible but not certain that Janacek meant the same by the markings "Poz. 1/2/3, Tuba" and "4 Poz." Since the authentic copy [engraving score] decides in favour of "4 trombones and tuba", the present edition follows this source -- as the first edition did." From this it seems clear that the confusion stems from directly from Janacek. Moreover, he either did not find fault with the copyist's decisions concerning the trombones and tuba or he did not notice what the copyist had done, otherwise he would have made the necessary corrections in the engraving score. Roger Hecht ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 09:40:20 -0600 From: Corliss Subject: Re: Interchangable Conn Parts My 6h and 4h are both dated around 1952 and 1953 and both bell and slide sections fit together well. Richard ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Oliver" To: Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 12:39 AM Subject: Re: [TBN-L] Interchangable Conn Parts > I have a 1936 Conn 4H and a 1958 Conn 6H. > > I tried just now, and I could get the 6H slide assembly on the 4H bell section, > but it was almost a friction fit, and I couldn't do a lot of turns. After > tightening down, some threads on the bell receiver were exposed. > > The converse was true of the 6H bell on the 4H slide, but this seemed to be a > better fit. It was almost to the point of being tightened all the way and still > having some slop, but it made it. > > Hope this helps. > > David Oliver > > Elisabeth Frederick wrote: > > > Hello List, > > > > I have a bell section at home that is a Conn 4H. On ebay someone is selling > > one that fits a 6H, are those the same size?? > > > > Thanks!! > > > > Elisabeth ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 08:03:20 -0800 From: Randy Fendrick Subject: Re: this thing keeps coming back on 10/27/02 11:52 PM, SteveInside@AOL.COM at SteveInside@AOL.COM wrote: > In a message dated 27/10/02 23:29:19 GMT Standard Time, glangfur@YAHOO.COM > writes: > >> I sit and >> get cold and then play, several times. I think my >> mouthpiece placement is also a little bit less stable when >> I have to play without much warmup, so maybe the extra >> motion of metal across my skin causes the irritation. >> > -------------------------------------------------------- > That's interesting. I get frequent coldsores (I don't know if that's what > you call them in the USA, the herpes simplex virus I think) and sometimes, > when a coldsore begins but my body fights it off, it turns to a tiny, > sharp-headed zit that is sore and lasts about two days. I've always presumed > it's my body dealing with the virus attack. > > So I'm wondering if you have a dormant herpes virus. The fact that it's in > exactly the same place seems significant to me, as the virus lives on the > nerve itself and travels up to the surface during an attack. Temperature or > any unusual stimuli triggers it. If I put a cold mouthpiece on my lips, I > invariably get a coldsore twenty-four or thirty-six hours later. Over > blowing or just blowing too hard when I haven't warmed up properly also > trigger it. > > Avoidance is the key for me. I keep my mouthpiece in my pocket most of the > time and for short periods I sometimes keep it my hand. That way it stays > warm even if I don't. The only danger that goes with that is that I'm a > clumsy oaf, and the more I take my mouthpiece out of the horn, the more > likely I am to drop it. > > Don't know if any of that is useful, but I hope so. > > Best regards, > Steve C I was plagued by cold sores for years. After I played a rough show, like two or three a day for 2 weeks. After not playing for a while, it didn't matter. Finally someone suggested that I start a regimen of L-Lysine plus Listerine for the interior of the mouth. I would get the damn things on the inside of the mouth anyway presto no more cold sores. This regimen was suggested by both my Dentist and my Doctor. Worked for me. My wife gets a reaction from Lobster or shell fish and from Chocolates. She began to use the L-Lysine. She can now eat shell fish and chocolates but, she doesn't abuse it. Hope this helps, -Randy Fendrick- Bakersfield Symphony Orchestra Southside Chicago Seven ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 11:14:58 EST From: SteveInside@AOL.COM Subject: Re: this thing keeps coming back In a message dated 28/10/02 16:04:16 GMT Standard Time, jfendrick@bak.rr.com writes: > Finally someone suggested that I start a regimen of L-Lysine plus > Listerine for the interior of the mouth. I would get the damn things on > the > inside of the mouth anyway presto no more cold sores. This regimen was > suggested by both my Dentist and my Doctor. Worked for me. My wife gets a > reaction from Lobster or shell fish and from Chocolates. She began to use > the L-Lysine. She can now eat shell fish and chocolates but, she doesn't > abuse it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Thanks Randy, > > I've heard others suggest this as a possible treatment. I *think* that the > amino acid L-Lysine inhibits the action of another amino acid that is > involved in the cold sore attack. I'll give it a try. > > Regards, > Steve C ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 16:17:47 +0000 From: Daniel Pliskin Subject: Re: "German" bass trb on eBay > > 1. Is the leadpipe hole drilled? I've seen Parrots with a solid (read > > "UNPLAYABLE") piece where the leadpipe was supposed to be. I should have known that yous guys would totally miss the point. First, it takes great artistry to solder in a solid lead pipe. But more importantly, the solid lead pipe is used, specifically, for those that want to master The Inner Game of Trombone Playing, The Zen of Trombone Playing. Although it takes much contemplation, those Zen students of the trombone spend their time in grokking the trombone, learning trombone in infinite detail. Some arrive at their destination fairly quickly, in just twenty years of so. Some take much longer. And, of course, some will never actually make any sound on the trombone. But once having mastered the trombone, Zen-style, one is able to play Mary Had a Little Lamb, in just a few weeks. It’s really amazing. DanP _________________________________________________________________ Unlimited Internet access for only $21.95/month. Try MSN! http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/2monthsfree.asp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 08:35:20 -0800 From: Gabriel Langfur Subject: Re: bass trombone case --- "James W. Yardley" wrote: > (www.accordcase.com). Their trombone case looks really > nice I don't like the looks of the way the bell section rests on top of the slide in the picture... Gabe __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 08:58:04 -0800 From: Gabriel Langfur Subject: Re: Bach Heavyweight bell --- Hamish Dean wrote: > Do they/Cann they (Bach) make a red brass bell? (As > opposed to gold brass) As far as I know they only make Gold and Yellow brass. I've heard of a few red brass bells from way back in the NY and Mt. Vernon eras, but not at all recently. Gabe __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 09:10:46 -0800 From: Chris Waage Subject: Re: "German" bass trb on eBay Kind of reminds me of the Jack Daniel's Cold Remedy: Take five shots of Jack Daniel's Black Label per day, and your cold will be gone within 6 to 10 days. Chris ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Daniel Pliskin Reply-To: Daniel Pliskin Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 16:17:47 +0000 >> > 1. Is the leadpipe hole drilled? I've seen Parrots with a solid (read >> > "UNPLAYABLE") piece where the leadpipe was supposed to be. > > >I should have known that yous guys would totally miss the point. > >First, it takes great artistry to solder in a solid lead pipe. > >But more importantly, the solid lead pipe is used, specifically, for those >that want to master The Inner Game of Trombone Playing, The Zen of Trombone >Playing. Although it takes much contemplation, those Zen students of the >trombone spend their time in grokking the trombone, learning trombone in >infinite detail. Some arrive at their destination fairly quickly, in just >twenty years of so. Some take much longer. And, of course, some will never >actually make any sound on the trombone. > >But once having mastered the trombone, Zen-style, one is able to play Mary >Had a Little Lamb, in just a few weeks. It?s really amazing. > >DanP > > >__________________________________________________ _______________ >Unlimited Internet access for only $21.95/month. Try MSN! >http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/2monthsfree.asp > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 12:36:58 -0500 From: Roger Hecht Subject: Re: this thing keeps coming back >Whenever I start my playing day really early, without quite >enough time to warm up the way I'd like to, I break out in >a painful zit in exactly the same place above my upper lip. >Usually it's not bad enough to affect what comes out the >horn, and it usually goes away quickly (unless I have >several days in a row like that), but it's certainly >irritating. > >Does this happen to anyone else? Does anyone have any ways >they prevent it? Wild (very) guesses. 1) Do you eat a different kind of breakfast on the mornings in question? 2) Morning body chemistry. 3) Maybe the combination of some dampness on the skin coupled with stiffness and lack of blood flow from lack of warmup that may allow moisture to enter under mouthpiece pressure. If so, keeping skin dry may help. Roger Hecht ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 12:19:28 -0600 From: conn60h Subject: Cadenzas I'm looking for information on writing my own cadenzas. Are there any = web, sites or books out there to give me any ideas? I would like to = tailor them to my show off my abilities, and to hide my weaknesses. Thanks ahead of time, Kenny Jay ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 10:35:01 -0800 From: John & Mary Subject: Johnny Polanco Just heard Johnny Polanco for the first time on DMX cable music station. Kick-Ass band and a great Salsa trombone sound. He's got a CD called P'AL BALIDOR on Morrowland Records. jb ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 19:06:29 -0000 From: Adrian Drover Subject: Re: Cadenzas From: "conn60h" I'm looking for information on writing my own cadenzas. Are there any web, sites or books out there to give me any ideas? I would like to tailor them to my show off my abilities, and to hide my weaknesses. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Howzabowt J. B. Arban? A. Adrian Drover ADIOS, Scotland www.adios.co.uk Personal email: adrian@adios.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 14:33:50 -0500 From: Chuck De Paolo Subject: Re: "German" bass trb on eBay > What should I look out for? The low price. No such thing as a free lunch. Ya gets whats yaz pays for, etc, etc ad nauseum. ---Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: Jerry Lapham To: TROMBONE-L@PO.MISSOURI.EDU Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 1:40 PM Subject: [TBN-L] "German" bass trb on eBay > A friend asked me today to try out a "German" bass trombone he bought for > his son on eBay during his 3-day trial period when it arrives. I seem to > recall some discussion of "German design" trombones made in China or India > of "Parrot" quality. What should I look out for? -Jerry -- ============================================================ Jerry Lapham, Monroe, OH E-Mail: rjlapham@infinet.com Written Sunday, October 27, 2002 - 01:40 PM (EDT) ============================================================ MR/2 Ice tag: No more sick days? Call in dead. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 15:41:32 -0600 From: conn60h Subject: Re: Cadenzas Arban was the first place I looked at. I just thought that there must be other examples out there to study, and expand on. conn60h ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adrian Drover" To: "conn60h" ; Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 1:06 PM Subject: Re: [TBN-L] Cadenzas > > > Howzabowt J. B. Arban? > > A. > > Adrian Drover > ADIOS, Scotland www.adios.co.uk > Personal email: adrian@adios.co.uk > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 18:32:35 -0500 From: Mahler427@AOL.COM Subject: Florida State Trombone Studio Website Listers, For those of you who like to lurk around on the inetnet all day and for those others who are genuinely curious, I would like to invite you to visit the new homepage for the trombone studio here at Florida State. The site contains concert information, news & events, information on students, trombone links, and much more. http://garnet.acns.fsu.edu/~jwf6217 Please feel free to contact me with any comments about anything on the site. Thaks in advance for visiting! -- Joseph W. Frye Tenor & Alto Trombone Florida State University Mahler427@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 21:26:37 -0600 From: Tom Izzo Subject: Re: Cadenzas From: "conn60h" I'm looking for information on writing my own cadenzas. Are there any web, sites or books out there to give me any ideas? I would like to tailor them to my show off my abilities, and to hide my weaknesses. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Since we have NO IDEA of your abilities/weaknesses, why not just experiment with what you CAN do juxtaposed with the style & form of the solo with which you'll be adding your cadenza? Tom ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 23:50:44 -0600 From: Robert Holland Subject: Re: Cadenzas "conn60h" wrote: > I'm looking for information on writing my own cadenzas. Are there any web, > sites or books out there to give me any ideas? I would like to tailor them > to my show off my abilities, and to hide my weaknesses. Writing one's own cadenzas is a very interesting experience. I once had a summer band series playing Blue Bells several times over, so I wrote and performed three nonstandard cadenzas. The conductor never knew when I was going to finish! There are two principles at work in cadenzas: delaying the arrival of the tonic resolution and virtuosic display. Depending on the length and complexity of the cadenza(s) you want to write, the simple solution is to ornament dominant harmony using scales, arpeggios and neighbor and chromatic tones. Longer cadenzas tend to go farther afield harmonically, even to secondary tonal areas (for instance, if you're in F major, the cadenza may work into D minor before ending on the C major dominant). Regarding exposing and hiding things, there are typically three elements to virtuosic display: speed, extreme range, and wide intervals. Noodling around with fragments of melodic ideas may satisfy some, but without some virtuosity, the cadenza can lack shape and/or drama. Although for keyboard, a few of Mozart's cadenzas for his 30+ piano concertos might be a good starting place for a model of how to put one of your own together. Robert Holland Briar Music Press briar@chicagonet.net http://members.aol.com/EnsPub/bmp.htm ------------------------------ End of TROMBONE-L Digest - 27 Oct 2002 to 28 Oct 2002 (#2002-107) *****************************************************************