Subject: TROMBONE-L Digest - 18 Oct 2002 to 19 Oct 2002 (#2002-98) There are 22 messages totalling 910 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. King bass trombones (2) 2. Calgary Philharmonic Demise - Sad (3) 3. Joseph Klier Mouthpieces (3) 4. speakin o cases (10) 5. Fwd: Gary's Progress 6. Gary Knox? 7. speakin o cases (to tote the rest) 8. Bass Trombone Flight Case ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 01:09:30 -0500 From: Jeff Albert Subject: Re: King bass trombones It's a drag that they discontinued them, because the absolutely most musical big band bass trombone sound I have ever heard live was Earl McIntyre playing a King bass bone. Jeff Albert www.jeffalbert.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Trombones and related issues forum. [mailto:TROMBONE- > L@PO.MISSOURI.EDU] On Behalf Of Dale Cruse > Sent: Friday, October 18, 2002 9:49 PM > To: TROMBONE-L@PO.MISSOURI.EDU > Subject: [TBN-L] King bass trombones > > Greetings everyone. I've been chatting with someone who up until > recently was a UMI rep. I asked him about a question we've discussed on > this list previously about the fate of the King bass trombones (6B, 7B, > 8B, etc.). I think most of us know they've been discontinued but I > don't ever recall seeing a satisfactory answer WHY. Here is a direct > quote from this former UMI rep on this issue: "The King bass tbones > were discontinued because of lack of demand, pure and simple." I know > some liked those horns, but if they weren't selling, they weren't > selling. :-( > > This former rep went on to tell me that by Christmas we'll be seeing > the new Conn 62H CL. That is slated to be a double-valve bass trombone > with the Christian Lindberg valves used on the 88H CL. I don't know yet > if it will be dependent or independent. Could be an interesting horn. > I'm sure we'll be seeing news reports soon that the Conn 62H CL is the > hot new Christmas gift this season! > > Please forgive me if I've repeated something we've already talked > about, but I just don't recall seeing these answers here before and > wanted to share. > > Regards, > > Dale Cruse > www.DaleCruse.com > Setting you up for online success. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 02:43:07 EDT From: JFBermann@AOL.COM Subject: Re: King bass trombones But of late Earl McIntyre has been with Boosey & Hawkes, playing one of their basses, and still sounding great! :o) The newer King basses just didn't play like the older ones. I was fortunate to have been in on the development stage of the King 7-B and 8-B when Van Haney had his short stint with King, and after spending nights in his basment shaking these down, were really disapointed when the production line horns were not up to the prototypes at all. Jim Bermann ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 01:25:59 -0600 From: James Scott Subject: Re: Calgary Philharmonic Demise - Sad Larry - I've been hesitating writing about this situation, since as the Principal Trombonist of the Calgary Philharmonic, I'm in the middle of the mess here. First of all, there are different forms of bankruptcy, and the orchestra is in the "mildest" version - a sort of "time out" while solutions are looked for by all of the parties involved. We are in the early stages of that process, so it is possible that the orchestra may survive this situation, but it will not be a picnic. The musicians have given back a great deal over the last few seasons. We agreed to a 9% cut last year(all they were asking for), and were locked out for 5 weeks because we refused to allow them to cut a vacant position in the orchestra. This season, we had agreed to another 12.9% cut, but again said that layoffs to our 65 piece orchestra were off limits, and suddenly had this bankruptcy imposed on us (it is based on a 45 day timetable). True to form, the musicians found out that they were now unemployed through the media, on the day after Canadian Thanksgiving. The board of the CPO says that they can't raise enough funds here, although previous boards were raising a surplus as recently as 3 and 4 years ago. The management has been disastrous - a front office of 19 has had 47 people leave (either fired or resigned) in 2 years. No wonder that the marketing, and customer service has been a joke. The previous board chairman was so uninvolved, that he was not a subscriber, his company is not listed as a donor, and he didn't know how to spell the Music Director's name in memos to the orchestra. The present one has no ideas, so he relies on his predecessor and the manager that has caused all of those employees to leave. The bright news is that the manager is fired now, and that the board is likely to be gone as a result of this mess. However, the organization will still need someone to step up with some cash to survive through the year, and our meager salaries ($35,000 CDN base) will probably take another hit to go on with the present orchestra. The other possibility is total bankruptcy, and another orchestra would eventually rise from the ashes, but that could take several years, and many people would leave the area in the meantime. As far as the state of orchestras in the world, it varies from place to place. Many are healthy right now as we speak. Some places are dealing with a changing demographic in their local populations, or with high local unemployment. San Jose for instance was very much affected by the dot.com "crash" - St. Louis has high unemployment in the area, and a hall in a rather undesirable part of town. In Canada, the government has stopped giving the same kind of money to the arts that it used to (Alberta is among the lowest contributors to the arts of all the States and Provinces in North America), but the tax laws only give contributors a 30% return on their money instead of a 100% return that they could claim in the U.S. Many orchestras are thriving now, however, and even in Canada, the National Arts Centre Orchestra in Ottawa is in the midst of expanding. What really makes the difference is effective managements and boards. What makes the "small guys" so prone to failure, is that they tend to have smaller (or no) endowment funds to live off of, and so a few mistakes in programming/marketing or a year or two of bad leadership can sink them quickly. The large orchestras have a "cushion" - if mistakes are made, there's a lot of time to make changes and make up for any losses. Sorry this has gotten so long - it's obviously a very personal subject for me right now. I'm examining my options now and coming to decisions about what is the best road to take . It would be a shame to have to throw away a 22 year career in this city, but a few careless and incompetent individuals can destroy an orchestra much quicker than a dedicated group of musicians can build it up. Keep us here in your thoughts in the next month or two as we try to salvage the situation. Jim Scott Calgary Philharmonic ( for now?) Larry White wrote: >In opening the ITA news page the other night, (16/10/02) I was surprised >to read of Calgary Philharmonic Orchestra (CPO) going into bankruptcy. >Has there been any discussion about this on the list or was this just a >complete new happening, and nothing mentioned. >Is this also a sign of things to come. I know that in Vancouver that the >musicians took a pay cut and grouped together, or that is what is being >and has been reported in the media, and it helped the VSO. Additionally >they just received a very generous donation from one the Board members, >( the Chair I believe, but I don't want to be quoted on that) who gave >an amount of $500,000.00. This is really unheard of, and it has won the >support of everybody, board, management, and musicians alike. >We are in tough times, and the times of deep pockets in Canada, >especially are very scarce now. It is further heightened by the fact >that Corporate Sponsors who have links to the tobacco industry cannot >sponsor now either. >What is the situation in your area? >We know that Boston Symphony seems to well on it feet, but is it one >off? What about a couple of the other larger organisations as well? >It also is unfortunate that the little ones 'die first' so to speak, or >so it seems. >Are the musicians asking for too much or are the audiences staying away, >or is it sponsorship, government funding gone? >We have lost our priorities when we can pack an auditorium or venue with >thousands of people for a 'rock star' who makes more in at a one night >stand than some of our orchestra's budgets are for a year. At least that >is the way I see it. >Larry White > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 03:47:07 EDT From: JFBermann@AOL.COM Subject: Joseph Klier Mouthpieces Anyone know the U.S distributor for Joseph Klier Mouthpieces? Thanks!, Jim Bermann ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 11:06:32 +0200 From: Dick Sleeman Subject: Re: Joseph Klier Mouthpieces ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2002 09:47 Subject: [TBN-L] Joseph Klier Mouthpieces > Anyone know the U.S distributor for Joseph Klier > Mouthpieces? > > Thanks!, > Jim Bermann To find out, try info@jk-klier.de or http://www.jk-klier.de/ Dick Sleeman, Lelystad, Holland. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 12:22:12 +0100 From: Adrian Drover Subject: Re: Calgary Philharmonic Demise - Sad From: "Larry White" > We have lost our priorities when we can pack an auditorium or venue with > thousands of people for a 'rock star' who makes more in at a one night > stand than some of our orchestra's budgets are for a year. At least that > is the way I see it. Agreed. It would be nice if half the money kids paid out to listen to non-music was channelled into the production of good music and re-education of said kids who buy the crap. A. Adrian Drover ADIOS, Scotland www.adios.co.uk Personal email: adrian@adios.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 07:08:40 -0700 From: Brian Frederiksen Subject: Re: Joseph Klier Mouthpieces Yes, George Foster in Libertyville, Illinois 847 367-7961. I have the tuba mouthpieces on my webpage for him! Brian Frederiksen WindSong Press PO Box 146 Gurnee, Illinois 60030 brianf@windsongpress.com www.windsongpress.com Phone 847 223-4586 Fax 847 223-4580 brianf@windsongpress.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2002 12:47 AM Subject: [TBN-L] Joseph Klier Mouthpieces > Anyone know the U.S distributor for Joseph Klier > Mouthpieces? > > Thanks!, > Jim Bermann > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 09:20:30 -0500 From: "D.J. Kennedy" Subject: Re: Calgary Philharmonic Demise - Sad hire some managers from the rock biz -marketing -charlotte church yanni etc---yeah brittany with the calgary strings sergent preston and the canadien mounted brass hit carnagie hall mtv video puts this crossover hit into the top 40 endownment coffers fill as downsized investment banker takes charge of finances an 11 %raise and benefits package puts calgary into top turnaround stats 3rd quarter profits are up 37 % free attendance nights are finding standing room only --- thein chosen for trombone section ............... Adrian Drover wrote: > From: "Larry White" > > > We have lost our priorities when we can pack an auditorium or venue with > > thousands of people for a 'rock star' who makes more in at a one night > > stand than some of our orchestra's budgets are for a year. At least that > > is the way I see it. > > Agreed. It would be nice if half the money kids paid out to listen to > non-music was channelled into the production of good music and re-education > of said kids who buy the crap. > > A. > > Adrian Drover > ADIOS, Scotland www.adios.co.uk > Personal email: adrian@adios.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 09:22:12 -0500 From: Jay Heltzer Subject: Re: speakin o cases Gabriel Langfur wrote: > --- Howard Patty wrote: > > The BAM cases are really nice. > > I'll second that. I wouldn't check it on a plane, but you > can't beat it for carrying around town. I actually have checked it a few times, and its ok. At O'Hare airport here in Chicago it is always hand carried over to oversize (with no extra fee). I know its a risk, but so far its 2-3 domestic AND international flights have walked away fine. Its my own risk though. I don't endorse it as a flight case. I just use it as one. :) Jay ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 09:40:15 -0500 From: "D.J. Kennedy" Subject: Re: speakin o cases a case for the bell and separate case for slide might work ------ anvil cases -wow ---an all aluminum anvil would be smooth or aluminum and composite pop out wheels Jay Heltzer wrote: > Gabriel Langfur wrote: > > > --- Howard Patty wrote: > > > The BAM cases are really nice. > > > > I'll second that. I wouldn't check it on a plane, but you > > can't beat it for carrying around town. > > I actually have checked it a few times, and its ok. At O'Hare airport > here in Chicago it is always hand carried over to oversize (with no > extra fee). I know its a risk, but so far its 2-3 domestic AND > international flights have walked away fine. Its my own risk though. I > don't endorse it as a flight case. I just use it as one. :) > > Jay ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 11:12:31 -0500 From: Howard Patty Subject: Re: speakin o cases Another option you could consider is to have a case made. If you have a nicer gun store near by, they usually have very sturdy cases made for large guns with foam padding on the inside. These cases are designed to take a beating and are checked baggage worthy. They are mass produced and have foam on the inside, which is made to be cut away so to custom-fit any weapon(s) or parts if you take it apart. I've seen this done before for a trombone, but I forget who it was. A multi-gun case that will accommodate a trombone will probably cost around $200-300. Just an idea. -Howard ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 11:25:23 -0500 From: Tom Izzo Subject: Re: speakin o cases One caution, Howard intoned: Another option you could consider is to have a case made. If you have a nicer gun store near by, they usually have very sturdy cases made for large guns with foam padding on the inside. .......................... Keep in mind, in this present "climate", if you walk into an airport with a case that even remotely looks like a weapon case, you will get searched, & the odds are that your case will be opened much more often. Just something to bear in mind.... Tom ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 16:47:17 +0000 From: Daniel Pliskin Subject: Re: speakin o cases >a case for the bell and separate case for slide might work >------ I totally agree, although I haven’t tried it. Not that you can trust that the folk at the gate are going to adhere to the rules, spelled out by the airline, but a case for the bell section, alone, would get by the rules. A separate case for the slide should be easy to get on board. And someone here has found that an arrow case will hold a slide. But, OK, you got your trombone on the plane. You now have two cases to carry, when you get to where you’re going. So I guess you either need to be able to carry your slide case in your other luggage or be able to bungie it to the bell case. DanP _________________________________________________________________ Get faster connections -- switch to MSN Internet Access! http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 14:13:48 -0400 From: john burton Subject: Re: speakin o cases I've been carrying music stand, trombone stand, pencils galore, mentronome, tuning gizmo, trombontine and extra rags of several sorts, plus a towel (under the spit valve doncha know) around in a gym bag for a long time. But I'm having to add a straight mute, a cup mute to the collection, and now I haven't room for all my junk in the gym bag (betcha next I have to drag a bucket mute around!) What do you's guys that do this for a living use to tote your stuff around in? A bigger gym bag, or are there other suggestions? I know one of the trumpet guys in the orchestra gave up and started toting his horn and all his stuff in a well-padded suitcase. Might not be an option for a 50B3! Ideas from the pros? --==jb==-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 13:24:48 -0500 From: Chris Waage Subject: Fwd: Gary's Progress Friends: This came to me in private, but I know that many of the trombone-l members have been keeping Gary Maxwell in their thoughts and prayers. Chris >From: "Gary D. Maxwell" >Subject: Gary's Progress >Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 11:13:53 -0700 >X-Priority: 3 >X-RCPT-TO: >Status: U > >Hi Friends, > >Once again I felt it was time to give you all the latest news on how Gary is >progressing. I also want to thank all of you who have stopped by and have >sent him messages on the net. He still goes to Health South for some re-hab >but only for speech. I guess they will do a re-evaluation in about 3 months >to decide if he goes back for physical and occupational therapy. Gary is >now walking most of the time with a cane (once in a while he takes a header, >but not too often) and he has some movement back in his right hand. He can >hold his trombone and actually play a little. He, of course, does not feel >he is progressing any where near fast enough but I think he is doing great! >His goal is to try to be able to play with the symphony for their final >concert next spring and his students at Sequoia want him to come and play in >the trombone section for their graduation. > >Gary still has trouble with words and cannot yet write back to you, but >believe me, he reads all your messages and your jokes and loves to get them. >One of these days he will be able to write back, until then, please keep in >touch. All your thoughts and contacts are sincerely appreciated. > >Gary says to say Hi and thank you all for your support. If Gary does send >you a message, and you can't figure out what on earth it says, don't be >concerned or worry about it, just send it to Mike Suter, he might be able to >interpret it. (Is that OK with you Mike?) Hee Hee. Gary is just trying to >keep in touch and one of these days IT WILL MAKE SENSE! > > >Gary and Jan -- ________________________________________________ Chris Waage, Associate Webmaster chris@trombone.org http://www.trombone.org - A web site for trombonists ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 14:51:46 -0400 From: David Shriver Subject: Re: speakin o cases Though its not very convenient I've taken to hauling 2 cases plus my horn(s). I use a soft leather briefcase type bag for my music, cleaning supplies, towel, water bottle, appointment book, aspirin, pencils, tuner, trombone stand, etc. When I've got a gig that requires mutes I carry a second bag with just mutes in it. My mute bag is big enough that I can put my folding music stand in it if I have to. It would be nice to have a single case that would be big enough for everything. The problem is, it would need to be a very large bag for all that. Since I don't need mutes all that often even if I had a single bag for everything there would often be a lot of wasted space. The real problem is when I need to take 2 horns and 2 sets of mutes to a gig. On those days I feel like I need to hire a few Sherpas. Clear Skies, David Shriver Bass Trombone Brass Band of the Tri-State -----Original Message----- From: Trombones and related issues forum. [mailto:TROMBONE-L@PO.MISSOURI.EDU] On Behalf Of john burton Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2002 2:14 PM To: TROMBONE-L@PO.MISSOURI.EDU Subject: Re: [TBN-L] speakin o cases I've been carrying music stand, trombone stand, pencils galore, mentronome, tuning gizmo, trombontine and extra rags of several sorts, plus a towel (under the spit valve doncha know) around in a gym bag for a long time. But I'm having to add a straight mute, a cup mute to the collection, and now I haven't room for all my junk in the gym bag (betcha next I have to drag a bucket mute around!) What do you's guys that do this for a living use to tote your stuff around in? A bigger gym bag, or are there other suggestions? I know one of the trumpet guys in the orchestra gave up and started toting his horn and all his stuff in a well-padded suitcase. Might not be an option for a 50B3! Ideas from the pros? --==jb==-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 14:05:21 -0500 From: Tom Izzo Subject: Re: speakin o cases John, I've been carrying music stand, trombone stand, pencils galore, mentronome, tuning gizmo, trombontine and extra rags of several sorts, plus a towel (under the spit valve doncha know) around in a gym bag for a long time. But I'm having to add a straight mute, a cup mute to the collection, and now I haven't room for all my junk in the gym bag (betcha next I have to drag a bucket mute around!) ____________________________________ There ARE mute cases! But for carrying tons of stuff.............. Try an insurance "bag". Those cases which are used by insurance salesmen. You can find them at most Office supply stores. I have several sizes that I carry depending on whether I'm carrying mutes for Tenor, Bass, or even Alto Trombone. The soft-sided models are better for Bass Trb mutes as Cups & Buckets tend to be much wider than insurance binders. But I've got 1 case which easily carries a cup, straight, bucket, plunger, cleartone, & wow-wow mute all made for a 10.5" bell no less. Tom What do you's guys that do this for a living use to tote your stuff around in? A bigger gym bag, or are there other suggestions? I know one of the trumpet guys in the orchestra gave up and started toting his horn and all his stuff in a well-padded suitcase. Might not be an option for a 50B3! Ideas from the pros? --==jb==-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 15:23:08 -0500 From: "Richard B. Human, Jr." Subject: Gary Knox? Hi All, Does anyone know where/how to find the Gary Knox who composed "Three Movements for Trombone Quartet?" I found some other stuff he did (some strange movie writing) but haven't found his contact info. Thanks. RH -- Dr. Richard Human Jr. richard@trombone.org Assistant Professor of Music Trombone and Music Theory Mississippi State University http://www.msstate.edu/dept/musiced/ Office: (662) 325-2871 Founder, Webmaster and Publisher trombone.org: A web site for trombonists. http://www.trombone.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 18:35:42 -0400 From: Walter Barrett Subject: Re: speakin o cases Thus spake, not Zarathustra, but john burton > > > I've been carrying music stand, trombone stand, pencils galore, > mentronome, tuning gizmo, trombontine and extra rags of several sorts, > plus a towel (under the spit valve doncha know) around in a gym bag for > a long time. But I'm having to add a straight mute, a cup mute to the > collection, and now I haven't room for all my junk in the gym bag > (betcha next I have to drag a bucket mute around!) > > What do you's guys that do this for a living use to tote your stuff > around in? A bigger gym bag, or are there other suggestions? I know > one of the trumpet guys in the orchestra gave up and started toting his > horn and all his stuff in a well-padded suitcase. Might not be an > option for a 50B3! > > Ideas from the pros? > > --==jb==-- Check out the Long Boy bag, from Bucket Boss. You can find these in home centers and tool shops, or on Amazon. I have one for my tenor trombone mutes, and they ALL fit in there! 2 straights, cup, harmon, Jo-ral bucket, pixie, solotone, and plunger. 2 straps on the outside hold the trombone stand, and there's still room for reading materials, lubes, etc. Fellow lister Pete Eiden has one for his bass trombone mutes, and has no trouble fitting a cup, straight, and plunger, plus sundries. The street price is usually around $40-50. Walter Barrett "Glenn's death turned out to be a good career move." - Artie Shaw, on Glenn Miller Yamaha Artist/Clinician Tenor, Alto, Bass Trombones Euphonium Bass Trumpet Tuba ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 18:03:46 -0500 From: Jeff Albert Subject: Re: speakin o cases Well, the towels, rags, lubes, etc. all fit in my trombone case. I have one duffel type bag that I can fit mutes and a trombone stand in. I also have a regular gig that I need to bring a music stand for. It has a folding base, but a fully solid top, and I keep it in a cheap wheeled suitcase that I got at Kmart for about $25. It holds the music stand, trombone stand, microphone, cables, stand light, and I could probably put mutes in it if I needed to. Easy to carry and has wheels for parking lots and long walks. Jeff Albert www.jeffalbert.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Trombones and related issues forum. [mailto:TROMBONE- > L@PO.MISSOURI.EDU] On Behalf Of john burton > Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2002 1:14 PM > To: TROMBONE-L@PO.MISSOURI.EDU > Subject: Re: [TBN-L] speakin o cases > > > > I've been carrying music stand, trombone stand, pencils galore, > mentronome, tuning gizmo, trombontine and extra rags of several sorts, > plus a towel (under the spit valve doncha know) around in a gym bag for > a long time. But I'm having to add a straight mute, a cup mute to the > collection, and now I haven't room for all my junk in the gym bag > (betcha next I have to drag a bucket mute around!) > > What do you's guys that do this for a living use to tote your stuff > around in? A bigger gym bag, or are there other suggestions? I know > one of the trumpet guys in the orchestra gave up and started toting his > horn and all his stuff in a well-padded suitcase. Might not be an > option for a 50B3! > > Ideas from the pros? > > --==jb==-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 20:34:32 -0600 From: David Oliver Subject: Re: speakin o cases (to tote the rest) Well, I don't exactly do this for a living (one of those trombone playing engineers) , but this topic has come up on the list before and the someone then mentioned the idea of using a baseball equipment bag. I got the largest "Eatson" bag I could find and it has served me well for a couple of years now. I also have one of those Manhasset "Voyager" music stands with the one piece table, so everything had to fit. I can easily carry that stand, a trombone stand (even bass), mutes, plunger, music, standlight(s), extension cords, etc. in there. My goal was to carry one thing in each hand and it worked. The Easton also has a shoulder strap, which I sometimes use when it's a long walk. Note that I did need to put some pegboard in the bottom section (where the bats would go) to keep the bottom stiff to avoid sagging, but that board material isn't too heavy. There you go. Many listers have many other great ideas and there are bags galore for every occupation and use, but that baseball equipment bag does the job for me! David Oliver Broomfield, Colorado USA Trombone, Denver Concert Band www.denverconcertband.org P.S. I wrap my pretty Tom Crown copper bottom straight mute in an old t-shirt to keep it from being scratched up. The same goes for the AC power standlight when I use it. john burton wrote: > > > I've been carrying music stand, trombone stand, pencils galore, > mentronome, tuning gizmo, trombontine and extra rags of several sorts, > plus a towel (under the spit valve doncha know) around in a gym bag for > a long time. But I'm having to add a straight mute, a cup mute to the > collection, and now I haven't room for all my junk in the gym bag > (betcha next I have to drag a bucket mute around!) > > What do you's guys that do this for a living use to tote your stuff > around in? A bigger gym bag, or are there other suggestions? I know > one of the trumpet guys in the orchestra gave up and started toting his > horn and all his stuff in a well-padded suitcase. Might not be an > option for a 50B3! > > Ideas from the pros? > > --==jb==-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 20:57:21 -0600 From: David Oliver Subject: Re: Bass Trombone Flight Case I agree Doug. I've used my SKB "universal tenor" case for my older 88H for years now and have made four round trip flights with no problems. I would demo the toughness of it for others by sitting on it (with my '67 88H inside!). I tape the latches with duck tape (wrapping the tape all the way around the case), as the latches are pretty exposed. I use the styrofoam cone in the bell, as Doug Yeo has recommended over the years. Finally, I use t-shirts and socks to keep everything else from moving. Keeping the stuff inside from moving is the most important thing. I'm curious now about whether they have a bass trombone case, and will probably check the website. I could use it for my TR-181 if I ever needed to fly with it someday. Be cautious though, as the SKB universal tenor isn't completely "universal tenor". If you've done something like add a Thayer valve custom or other mods, the horn might not fit - at least in the older version of the case I have. I've never been a gig bag person, so I didn't go the SKB golf case route, though I know others use it (such as Sam Burtis) and have used it with no problem for years. My SKB universal tenor case hasn't caused any extra charges. I also make sure to check it as "special handling" just to play it safe. I'm not saying don't use the SKB golf case. I'm just saying that there's more than one way to approach a problem. David Oliver Broomfield, Colorado USA Douglas Wright wrote: > Hey Zack, > > I have been packing my trombone in an SKB case built for my tenor > trombone and have had absolutely no trouble with either oversize charges > or damage. I would assume that they make a case for bass trombones as > well. Check it out at http://www.skbcases.com/home/index.html . > > Douglas Wright > Principal Trombone > Minnesota Orchestra ------------------------------ End of TROMBONE-L Digest - 18 Oct 2002 to 19 Oct 2002 (#2002-98) ****************************************************************