Subject: TROMBONE-L Digest - 15 Oct 2002 to 16 Oct 2002 (#2002-95) There are 14 messages totalling 505 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. Attention all Olds owners...what are your measurements? (2) 2. Our Conn joke thread...??? 3. Olds "Standard" 4. Olds webpage (was Re: [TBN-L] Olds "Standard") (4) 5. This weekend.... 6. Downloads??? (2) 7. album 8. Edwards Tenor Bell Section for sale - great deal 9. Old Newsgroup discussion ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 02:18:41 -0500 From: Corliss Subject: Re: Attention all Olds owners...what are your measurements? I have two Olds Recordings and one Super and an extra Super bell. The Recordings date about 1955 and 1962. Both have the fluted dual bore slides - .495/.510 and golden brass bells with most of the rest being nickel silver alloy. One has an eight inch bell without an F attachment and the other has an F attachment with and eight and half inch bell. The Super dates from about 1950. It has a red brass bell with a nickel silver "tone control" strip on the bell. Most of the rest is nickel silver. The extra Super bell is dated 1959 is like the 1950 Super. Richard Corliss ----- Original Message ----- From: "sabutin" To: Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 11:34 AM Subject: [TBN-L] Attention all Olds owners...what are your measurements? > Naaahhhh...I didn't mean THOSE measurements. > > Seriously...I have been buying and researching Olds horns recently, > and can find very little consistency among the various model > names...Special, Super, Studio, Recording...and their bores, bell > sizes and alloys. > > Those of you who own Olds horns who feel like doing this...not the > later Fullerton models, not the earlier odd sizes etc., but from the > classic Los Angeles and early Fullerton period that used those model > names..., could you post the bore and bell sizes, whether they have > fluted or smooth slides, the serial numbers , the general alloys used > and perhaps a brief subjective description of the horns' playing > characteristics? > > Maybe we can all learn something here. > > Thanks... > > Sam Burtis ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 09:38:30 +0100 From: Adrian Drover Subject: Re: Our Conn joke thread...??? From: "Gabriel Langfur" > Ha - one of my favorite things about ebay is all the > spellings of Bach Stradivarius... You mean the Stradi-various ways of spelling. A. Adrian Drover ADIOS, Scotland www.adios.co.uk Personal email: adrian@adios.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 05:35:41 -0700 From: James Gicking Subject: Olds "Standard" Anyone familiar w/ this model? One resides in my father-in-law's closet and I dig it out on visits. Great horn. It must be 30's vintage, based on the skinny little insubstantial case. Relatively plain engraving, fluted slide. Possibly larger bell (I'd say 7 1/2") and bore than a Super, but I haven't measured it yet. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 11:03:02 -0400 From: sabutin Subject: Olds webpage (was Re: [TBN-L] Olds "Standard") Here is a webpage that gives a survey of Olds horns. http://ericburger.5u.com/photo5.html Lots of variations w/in of every model designation...probably more than any one website can cover.y Interestingly, it says the Standard is a slide tuning instrument. Is Your father-in-law's horn slide tuning? S. ================ James Gicking wrote about the Olds Standard: >Anyone familiar w/ this model? One resides in my father-in-law's >closet and I dig it out on visits. Great horn. > >It must be 30's vintage, based on the skinny little insubstantial >case. Relatively plain engraving, fluted slide. Possibly larger >bell (I'd say 7 1/2") and bore than a Super, but I haven't measured >it yet. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 10:17:39 -0500 From: Corliss Subject: Re: Attention all Olds owners...what are your measurements? I should have noted below that my Olds Super is a dual bore, .485/.500. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Corliss" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 2:18 AM Subject: Re: [TBN-L] Attention all Olds owners...what are your measurements? > I have two Olds Recordings and one Super and an extra Super bell. The > Recordings date about 1955 and 1962. Both have the fluted dual bore slides - > .495/.510 and golden brass bells with most of the rest being nickel silver > alloy. One has an eight inch bell without an F attachment and the other has > an F attachment with and eight and half inch bell. > > The Super dates from about 1950. It has a red brass bell with a nickel > silver "tone control" strip on the bell. Most of the rest is nickel silver. > The extra Super bell is dated 1959 is like the 1950 Super. > > Richard Corliss > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "sabutin" > To: > Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 11:34 AM > Subject: [TBN-L] Attention all Olds owners...what are your measurements? > > > > Naaahhhh...I didn't mean THOSE measurements. > > > > Seriously...I have been buying and researching Olds horns recently, > > and can find very little consistency among the various model > > names...Special, Super, Studio, Recording...and their bores, bell > > sizes and alloys. > > > > Those of you who own Olds horns who feel like doing this...not the > > later Fullerton models, not the earlier odd sizes etc., but from the > > classic Los Angeles and early Fullerton period that used those model > > names..., could you post the bore and bell sizes, whether they have > > fluted or smooth slides, the serial numbers , the general alloys used > > and perhaps a brief subjective description of the horns' playing > > characteristics? > > > > Maybe we can all learn something here. > > > > Thanks... > > > > Sam Burtis ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 11:37:21 EDT From: Dslide13@AOL.COM Subject: This weekend.... Just letting anyone in the OK, KS, or MO area know that I'm in Pittsburgh, KS this Friday and Saturday, performing with the John Sneider Quintet. Here's the bill: John Sneider-trumpet David Gibson-trombone Peter Zak-piano Paul Gill-bass Joe Strasser-drums We're performing Friday at the University at 7:30pm, and Saturday at a venue in town from 8pm-12am. There will also be a clinic for the music students at 4:30pm on Friday. Contact the school if you're interested in attending. Maybe I see some fellow posters out? Peace, David Gibson dslide13@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 11:53:22 EDT From: SteveInside@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Olds webpage (was Re: [TBN-L] Olds "Standard") In a message dated 16/10/02 16:05:38 GMT Daylight Time, sabutin@MINDSPRING.COM writes: > Here is a webpage that gives a survey of Olds horns. > > http://ericburger.5u.com/photo5.html ------------------------------------------------------------ Eric's a list subscriber (I think) and has been very helpful when I emailed him personally for some guidance on my Olds horn. Steve C ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 10:53:41 -0500 From: "D.J. Kennedy" Subject: Re: Olds webpage (was Re: [TBN-L] Olds "Standard") i have seen these standards on e bay theback braces change lots -there are also featherweights and early supers both slip joint short stockings fluted duo bore no slide lock weight 2 pounds 2 oz red brass bell w tone ring standard was the cheepo ----then the new designs ambassador special studio super recording later opera in brass and nickle there are lots of gaps and incorrect info on burgers web site the standing bear back weight -is seen on the radio [[[[rko ]]]] models military has eagle lots of peening -subject to stress cracks etc ----- thick bell //thin bell options ---???? great cases wide leather bands velvet curtains way fancier cases than king or bachs deluxe ---more luxe --- ------------ ive had a recording a couple of specials a studio ambassadors and 8 supers and 2 featherweights plus valve bones euphos cornets ------ the braces are kinda far apart on some horns [recording //operas] -not as far as reynolds though ----i like the thin one piece grip on the early supers - and mother of pearl accent on slide lock [1941-46] -is way cool ---- the studio plays pretty dark special light and bright supers depend on age bell size thinness /thickness of bell but generally blow very snappy --not quite as big as 2bs recordings early versions at least two pre nickle outer slide models engraving pattern and perhaps other details --- special --earlier flatish braces brass bell smooth inners later tu toning of bell ------ i played a special for years as my drag around horn its user [abuser ]friendly loose slide makes lubibg no problemos ----- the outer slide came off many times - ----- olds are cheep buy them up on e bay -then brag about how good they are and sell them to beginners ---it beats 30$ a gig -- ----- i sold a super set for 800$$ --but it is the rarest type -two bells[7 and 7 1/2] not pressed engraving band -the earler one -bell is differnt alloy --and is thinner too the 7 in bell is the choicest for retro /dixie etc -- ----- the rarest super of all is the featherweight pattern --- ----- i would like to try the earlypattern recording and find another early super i have a 53 that looks like new and a 48 -thats brassed but bold the valve attachment i have has a duo bore feature and the valve inside dia is bigger than conn ----most olds valve attachments i have seen are duo bore - by having a smaller pipe from mouthpiece to slide bow ---i have spent lots of time and $$$$$$$$$ researching these horns and there are some trumpet player//collectors knowledgable about the trumpets/cornets ------ there is a guy in town who has been playing a super since1946 -- its a beauty ----it became a challenge to find an early one like that sabutin wrote: > Here is a webpage that gives a survey of Olds horns. > > http://ericburger.5u.com/photo5.html > > Lots of variations w/in of every model designation...probably more > than any one website can cover.y > Interestingly, it says the Standard is a slide tuning instrument. > Is Your father-in-law's horn slide tuning? > > S. > > ================ > > James Gicking wrote about the Olds Standard: > > >Anyone familiar w/ this model? One resides in my father-in-law's > >closet and I dig it out on visits. Great horn. > > > >It must be 30's vintage, based on the skinny little insubstantial > >case. Relatively plain engraving, fluted slide. Possibly larger > >bell (I'd say 7 1/2") and bore than a Super, but I haven't measured > >it yet. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 11:37:02 -0700 From: Mike Mathews Subject: Downloads??? A week or two ago somebody had a web site listed that had downloads of trombone music. It looked interesting but I have lost that URL. Could some one please send it to me again? (Just send it privately -- no use cluttering up the discussion list with it.) Thanks, Mike Mathews Mike Mathews Director of Instrumental Studies Missouri Western State College mathews@mwsc.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 11:04:52 -0500 From: "D.J. Kennedy" Subject: Re: Olds webpage (was Re: [TBN-L] Olds "Standard") im not sending eric any more horns until he gets his daughters wedding paid off SteveInside@AOL.COM wrote: > In a message dated 16/10/02 16:05:38 GMT Daylight Time, > sabutin@MINDSPRING.COM writes: > > > Here is a webpage that gives a survey of Olds horns. > > > > http://ericburger.5u.com/photo5.html > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Eric's a list subscriber (I think) and has been very helpful when I emailed > him personally for some guidance on my Olds horn. > > Steve C ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 14:46:53 -0500 From: "Michael B. McCreless" Subject: album I just found a wonderful trombone album at the local Salvation Army it is intitled, All Star Trombone Spectacular. The musicians are Art Baron, Sam Burtis, Gerry Chamberlain, Mickey Gravine, Jimmy Knepper, Rod Levitt, and Sonny Russo. Has anyone else heard of this record it is great. Michael McCreless Tuscaloosa, Alabama bassbone_mike@alumni.jsu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 23:15:08 +0200 From: Simon Bailey Subject: Re: Downloads??? i'd be interested in this link as well, if you might be able to pass it on? greetings from the alps, simon. On Wed, 2002-10-16 at 20:37, Mike Mathews wrote: > A week or two ago somebody had a web site listed that had downloads of > trombone music. It looked interesting but I have lost that URL. Could > some one please send it to me again? (Just send it privately -- no use > cluttering up the discussion list with it.) > > Thanks, > Mike Mathews > > Mike Mathews > Director of Instrumental Studies > Missouri Western State College > mathews@mwsc.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 17:26:11 EDT From: Posaune9@AOL.COM Subject: Edwards Tenor Bell Section for sale - great deal Dear List, I am selling an Edwards Bell Section (bell, valve, and tuning slides). Bell is a 336CF Tuning Slide is Dual Radius, Rose Brass The valve section has the special "edge bracing" This is a great valve section.=A0 The valve itself is only about 2 years old= , has good action, and is in good shape.=A0 The bell has some minor mute dings and has a mark from where a crease dent has been rolled out by a repairman. Otherwise, it is in great condition.=A0 This section plays free and has grea= t response. Bought new from Edwards one would spend approximately $1,700. Price $1,200, and I'll pay shipping Please email me privately if you have questions or are interested Ryan Johnstone Curtis Institute of Music Philadelphia, PA ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 16:51:45 -0500 From: "Richard B. Human, Jr." Subject: Old Newsgroup discussion Hi all, I was perusing through Google and found a pretty interesting discussion about writing for the trombone. The discussion was in alt.music.classical, in December of 1997. The discussion is more conceptual than technical. http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&frame=right&th=f3ffe636de 4d5855&seekm=348E50FF.49FFB267%40plusdespam.isd.canberra.edu.au#link1 It's interesting to read what (I am assuming) mostly non-trombone playing musicians think or know about the trombone. There is one guy in there who is a trombonist. RH -- Dr. Richard Human Jr. richard@trombone.org Assistant Professor of Music Trombone and Music Theory Mississippi State University http://www.msstate.edu/dept/musiced/ Office: (662) 325-2871 Founder, Webmaster and Publisher trombone.org: A web site for trombonists. http://www.trombone.org/ ------------------------------ End of TROMBONE-L Digest - 15 Oct 2002 to 16 Oct 2002 (#2002-95) ****************************************************************