Subject: TROMBONE-L Digest - 13 Sep 2002 to 14 Sep 2002 (#2002-63) There are 24 messages totalling 971 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. The future: 8th grader executes trombone backflip! (2) 2. Oktoberfest (was: A really shameless plug...) (2) 3. Elliot mpcs and stuff - cheap 4. Bell ring pitch ? (was Re: [TBN-L] 8th partial Ab) (3) 5. How to teach Dolce 6. Trombone CD's (4) 7. Trombone recordings 8. Cleaning house (3) 9. To list-mate John Burton 10. scoring question 11. Bell ring pitch ? (was Re: [TBN-L] 8th partial Ab) 12. Giardinelli, Copying Mouthpieces etc. 13. Sibelius Instrumentation (3) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 00:51:56 -0500 From: schaefer@OLEMISS.EDU Subject: The future: 8th grader executes trombone backflip! I can retire now: After hearing several college students trip and fall over easy scales and etudes, I began contemplating my future career as a salesman of cheap shoes. Just as the blackness was about to enshroud my otherwise sunny outlook, it happened . . . It was time for my 8th grade student. In the previous lesson I casually mentioned that it was possible to play false tones with no valve. "Low Eb, D, Db and maybe even C if all the planets are in alignment and the god of Trombotine is sliding." At the end of the lesson I lent him my Bach Cello Suites and said "pick something you like." In the middle of lines of 16th notes, he executed a dizzying leap from E above the staff to Low C below the staff and back up to E. Straight tenor. Arms that can barely reach 6th position. I almost had to stop the lesson right there. At the end of the lesson I showed him multiphonics. If he comes in and plays the double stops in the Bach Suites, I'm selling my horns. Donn _________________________________ Donn Schaefer Trombone, Low Brass, Jazz 232 Meek Hall Music Department University of Mississippi University, Mississippi 38677-1848 662-915-1275 schaefer@olemiss.edu __________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 10:47:36 +0100 From: Adrian Drover Subject: Re: Oktoberfest (was: A really shameless plug...) From: "Tom Izzo" > Walter you should know this (since you also double). > > The correct name of the month is OCTUBA. So these festivals are called > OcTUBAfest. > > Tom > (who plays more Tuba in Octuba than the rest of the year combined) ...and MAY play tuba on the MARCH for which he is JULY paid. A. Adrian Drover ADIOS, Scotland www.adios.co.uk Personal email: adrian@adios.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 08:54:30 -0500 From: Charles Levine Subject: Elliot mpcs and stuff - cheap Elliot LTE cup E6E shank 4 100 rim used but good $26 for all = ppd (or $15 each part)=20 Elliot SBJ cup J4 shank brand new $27 for both ppd (or $15 each part) Elliot k9c SHANK (USED) $7 ppd Elliot L8 shank (new) $11 ppd Jupiter 61/2 AL (used but good) $5 ppd =20 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 10:34:46 -0400 From: sabutin Subject: Re: The future: 8th grader executes trombone backflip! YESS !!!! (They're out there...) S. ================== >I can retire now: > >After hearing several college students trip and fall over >easy scales and etudes, I began contemplating my future >career as a salesman of cheap shoes. Just as the blackness >was about to enshroud my otherwise sunny outlook, it >happened . . . > >It was time for my 8th grade student. > >In the previous lesson I casually mentioned that it was >possible to play false tones with no valve. "Low Eb, D, Db >and maybe even C if all the planets are in alignment and the >god of Trombotine is sliding." > >At the end of the lesson I lent him my Bach Cello Suites and >said "pick something you like." > >In the middle of lines of 16th notes, he executed a dizzying >leap from E above the staff to Low C below the staff and >back up to E. Straight tenor. >Arms that can barely reach 6th position. > >I almost had to stop the lesson right there. > >At the end of the lesson I showed him multiphonics. If he >comes in and plays the double stops in the Bach Suites, I'm >selling my horns. > >Donn > >_________________________________ > >Donn Schaefer >Trombone, Low Brass, Jazz >232 Meek Hall >Music Department >University of Mississippi >University, Mississippi 38677-1848 >662-915-1275 schaefer@olemiss.edu >__________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 10:50:47 -0500 From: Tom Izzo Subject: Re: Oktoberfest (was: A really shameless plug...) From: "Tom Izzo" > Walter you should know this (since you also double). > > The correct name of the month is OCTUBA. So these festivals are called > OcTUBAfest. > > Tom > (who plays more Tuba in Octuba than the rest of the year combined) Adrian cimed in: ...and MAY play tuba on the MARCH for which he is JULY paid. A. APRIL come she will for those AUGUST comments MAYd by you, A. Don't let those JUNEbugs bite. :-) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 12:28:00 -0400 From: sabutin Subject: Bell ring pitch ? (was Re: [TBN-L] 8th partial Ab) Here's a weird one. I just found that tapping on the bell of 3 of my Shires horns (tapping with the flesh of the tip of my finger on the flare itself, not the bead around the edge of the bell) produces an Ab-ish note w/in a few cents sharper or flatter. Bass tbn. bell, medium large tenor or small tenor. Same note, much different bells. Not so the only other two horns I have handy at the moment, an old Conn 30 H (C#) and an even older 24H (D). More info as I get more horns out over the coming days. I am curious...what notes do your bells play when tapped that way? (Tapping the rim or using something harder than a fingertip seems to emphasize too many overtones. This way appears to isolate the fundamental more.) Further...if you have a problem note, what is it? (Or notes, for that matter.) I would really appreciate answers from everyone who has a spare minute on this one, if you possibly can. Thanks... Sam ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 12:04:57 -0500 From: Gary Greenhoe Subject: Re: Bell ring pitch ? (was Re: [TBN-L] 8th partial Ab) Sam, The bell ringing pitch is an indication of the weight of the bell...generally. Thinner bells will resonate a lower pitch. There are some exceptions to this rule..but there you are. gary -----Original Message----- From: Trombones and related issues forum. [mailto:TROMBONE-L@PO.MISSOURI.EDU]On Behalf Of sabutin Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2002 11:28 AM To: TROMBONE-L@PO.MISSOURI.EDU Subject: [TBN-L] Bell ring pitch ? (was Re: [TBN-L] 8th partial Ab) Here's a weird one. I just found that tapping on the bell of 3 of my Shires horns (tapping with the flesh of the tip of my finger on the flare itself, not the bead around the edge of the bell) produces an Ab-ish note w/in a few cents sharper or flatter. Bass tbn. bell, medium large tenor or small tenor. Same note, much different bells. Not so the only other two horns I have handy at the moment, an old Conn 30 H (C#) and an even older 24H (D). More info as I get more horns out over the coming days. I am curious...what notes do your bells play when tapped that way? (Tapping the rim or using something harder than a fingertip seems to emphasize too many overtones. This way appears to isolate the fundamental more.) Further...if you have a problem note, what is it? (Or notes, for that matter.) I would really appreciate answers from everyone who has a spare minute on this one, if you possibly can. Thanks... Sam ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 12:21:13 -0500 From: clenthe Subject: Re: How to teach Dolce Hi all, Dolce = sweet. In Italy you would order 'una dolce' for dessert. Musically, I like to think of it as communicating sweetly, much as you might speak to a child; with a smile and a sweet upward inflection, speaking ever so clearly. Even a message dripping with irony or threat can be enunciated sweetly - sugar-coated, if you like. A useful nuance in anyone's expressive palette. It should fall short of syruppy. Carl Lenthe ----- Original Message ----- From: "alex iles" To: Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 5:25 PM Subject: Re: [TBN-L] How to teach Dolce > Hi all, > > > Craig Parmerlee wrote: > > > At 03:04 PM 9/13/2002 -0400, David A. Schwartz wrote: > > >My next volume of Bordogni vocalises has twenty-eight passages marked Dolce > > >in twelve exercises. I would like to offer guidance for teen-aged students > > >in my Practice Suggestions. > > > > > >What words best describe how to play or sing Dolce passages? How do you > > >know when the Dolce instruction lapses? > > > > I don't know that this can be taught. I think it is a "lead a horse to > > water" proposition. Dolce means a beautiful sound. The performer must > > have developed a concept of a beautiful sound and all that entails: timbre, > > dramatic crecendos, freedom of time, emphasis of key notes. It really has > > to be learned by listening, I believe. > > I agree that listening is important, but this is not necessarily a "ya either > got it or ya don't" situation. > > The words composers and editors use for musical instruction can help establish > a certain kind of musical mood. "Dolce" implies, to me, "sweetly", not just > some generic or vague idea of"beautiful sound". > > I studied for a summer with a teacher [Ron Borror] who liked to describe a > continuum of "espressivo and dolce". On one side was an all out > "espressivo"...passionate, chillingly expressive, LOTS of drama and dynamic > contrast, maybe with a tenor-at-the-end-of-an-opera kind of approach. On the > other side was "dolce"...simple, sweet, unadorned, demure, fewer dynamic > shifts, but no less beautiful. Between these two extremes are an infinite range > of musical emotions. It is fun to experiment with varying shades of these > extremes as you play through the Bordogni vocalises [or any ballad, song or > passage for that matter]. The RIGHT kind of teacher can help a student to > develop his/her OWN range of emotion and IMAGINATION in the music. Sometimes it > is just a matter of introducing a concept like this "espressivo/dolce" > spectrum. It sure stuck with me! > > "Dolce" implies a mood of given piece, not just a list of certain specific > musical qualities. > > "How do you know when the Dolce instruction lapses?" > > There are usually little clues. Big dynamic shifts, tempo shifts, changes in > articulation. THAT answer is probably gained through the development of a > student's musical instincts, but there is often variation from performer to > performer [here, I would totally agree that listening to other performers > handling the challenge is the best teaching method!!]. You kind of have to > settle on your OWN way and PRESENT it [SELL it!!] to an audience in a > performance. > > Alex ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 10:24:02 -0700 From: Gabriel Langfur Subject: Re: Trombone CD's --- Jason Rogers wrote: > Trivia: I'm just thinking...are there any other trombone, > bass and drums trio > albums out there? Off the top of my head I can think of > one other - Ray > Anderson's BassDrumBone. A whole album of just trio with > trombone seems like > an achievement in itself - are there others out there I'm > forgetting about or > missing? Well, AM did at least 2 others...I have the 3 albums collected on a 2 CD set called Three Originals (Verve 314 519 213-2): The Wide Point - with Palle Danielsson and Elvin Jones Trilogue - with JP and Alphonse Mouzon Albert Live in Montreux - with Jean Francois Jenny-Clark and Ronald Shannon Jackson Also, I seem to remember once hearing a trio album (not same instrumentation) with Bill Frisell, guitar, John Zorn, sax, and maybe George Lewis (not even sure I have name right) on trombone. Gabe __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 10:32:52 -0700 From: Gabriel Langfur Subject: Re: Trombone CD's I just remembered another couple of cool trio CDs. Not the same at all, in fact they're not catching more than a small corner of the Jazz umbrella, but there are 2 discs out from a trio that includes Dave Taylor, saxophonist & composer Daniel Schnyder, and Kenny Drew Jr. They're most easily found by searching under Daniel Schnyder on Amazon or whatever. 1. The Berlin-New York Project: Jazz meets Kurt Weill and George Gershwin. Koch Jazz 3-6969-2. There's 2 sets of creative song arrangements, of Weill & Gershwin, and some original music by Schnyder. 2. Words Within Music. Enja ENJ-9369-2...more song arrangements, including a set of music from Bach's St. Matthew Passion, and more original music by Schnyder. Great stuff. Gabe __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 12:37:24 -0500 From: Jeff Oien Subject: Re: Bell ring pitch ? (was Re: [TBN-L] 8th partial Ab) I tap my Bach 42B rose brass bell and get a B flat. Problem notes in a range from middle G flat to B flat but I'm coming off of a seven year layoff and they're becoming less and less "problem". Jeff Oien > Here's a weird one. > > I just found that tapping on the bell of 3 of my Shires horns > (tapping with the flesh of the tip of my finger on the flare itself, > not the bead around the edge of the bell) produces an Ab-ish note > w/in a few cents sharper or flatter. Bass tbn. bell, medium large > tenor or small tenor. Same note, much different bells. Not so the > only other two horns I have handy at the moment, an old Conn 30 H > (C#) and an even older 24H (D). > > More info as I get more horns out over the coming days. > > I am curious...what notes do your bells play when tapped that way? > (Tapping the rim or using something harder than a fingertip seems to > emphasize too many overtones. This way appears to isolate the > fundamental more.) > > Further...if you have a problem note, what is it? (Or notes, for > that matter.) > > I would really appreciate answers from everyone who has a spare > minute on this one, if you possibly can. > > Thanks... > > Sam > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 10:41:01 -0700 From: Richard Ashby Subject: Trombone recordings Does anyone on the list know of and how to obtain, recordings of David Gillingham's "Sonata for Bass Trombone and Piano" or Derek Bourgeois' recent "Sonata for Trombone and Piano? Rich Ashby Bass Trombone Sacramento Symphonic Winds ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 14:10:56 -0500 From: Dean McCarty Subject: Cleaning house Hello list: I have the following that I am cleaning out. Make me an = offer. I'd rather get rid of all of it as a group. Tenor Solos: Manipulations for solo trombone - Allen Molineux Cryptical Triptych - Walter Ross Carnival of Venice - transcribed by Josef Koestner Unaccompanied Solos for Tenor Trombone Vol. 3 - Tommy Pederson Unaccompanied Solos for Tenor Trombone Vol. 2 - Tommy Pederson Intermediate Trombone Solos (w/cassette and piano) - Eugene Watts = (Canadian Brass Editions) (great for private students) Festival Performance Solos Vol. 1 (great for private students) Festival Performance Solos Vol. 2 (great for private students) Trombone Solos Level 1 (collection) (great for private students) Trombone Solos Level 2 (collection) (great for private students) Tenor Methods: Basic Routines - Robert Marsteller Elementary Method - Newell H. Long (Rubank) (great for private students) Tenor Duets: Modern Jazz Duets Vol. 1 "Cookin' " - David Baker Modern Jazz Duets Vol. 2 "Smokin' Duets" - David Baker Bass Solos: Remembrance (w/WW quartet) - David Liebman Concerto - Ellen Taaffe Zwilich (solo and study score) Tuba Solos: Variations for Tuba and Piano (The Cobbler's Bench) - Arthur Frackenpohl Fantasy for Tuba - Malcolm Arnold Larghetto and Allegro - Handel/Don Little Bourree - Handel/Ken Swanson Ricercar - D.Gabrielli/R.Winston Morris Conquistadores - William H. Hill Gavotte - Bach/Ken Swanson Suite for Unaccompanied Tuba - Walter S. Hartley In the Hall of the Mountain King - Grieg/G.E. Holmes Dancing Song from Eight Russian Folksongs - Liadov/Ronald Dishinger Tuba Solos Level 1(collection) (great for private students) Tuba Methods: Arban-Prescott First and Second Year (great for private students) Cello Material: Six Suites - Bach (Schirmer ed.) Suite for Cello and Jazz Piano Trio - Claude Bolling (this is a great = work if you have not heard it... there is a great recording of it by Yo = Yo Ma and Bolling - you would need a very good classical/jazz pianist to = do this. It works best on bass trombone but is doable on tenor) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 15:21:42 -0400 From: danoyes@JUNO.COM Subject: Re: Cleaning house Dean, I'll give you $50 + shipping for the tuba solos. Thanks, Dan On Sat, 14 Sep 2002 14:10:56 -0500 Dean McCarty writes: > Hello list: I have the following that I am cleaning out. Make me an > offer. I'd rather get rid of all of it as a group. > > Tenor Solos: > Manipulations for solo trombone - Allen Molineux > Cryptical Triptych - Walter Ross > Carnival of Venice - transcribed by Josef Koestner > Unaccompanied Solos for Tenor Trombone Vol. 3 - Tommy Pederson > Unaccompanied Solos for Tenor Trombone Vol. 2 - Tommy Pederson > Intermediate Trombone Solos (w/cassette and piano) - Eugene Watts > (Canadian Brass Editions) (great for private students) > Festival Performance Solos Vol. 1 (great for private students) > Festival Performance Solos Vol. 2 (great for private students) > Trombone Solos Level 1 (collection) (great for private students) > Trombone Solos Level 2 (collection) (great for private students) > > Tenor Methods: > Basic Routines - Robert Marsteller > Elementary Method - Newell H. Long (Rubank) (great for private > students) > > Tenor Duets: > Modern Jazz Duets Vol. 1 "Cookin' " - David Baker > Modern Jazz Duets Vol. 2 "Smokin' Duets" - David Baker > > Bass Solos: > Remembrance (w/WW quartet) - David Liebman > Concerto - Ellen Taaffe Zwilich (solo and study score) > > Tuba Solos: > Variations for Tuba and Piano (The Cobbler's Bench) - Arthur > Frackenpohl > Fantasy for Tuba - Malcolm Arnold > Larghetto and Allegro - Handel/Don Little > Bourree - Handel/Ken Swanson > Ricercar - D.Gabrielli/R.Winston Morris > Conquistadores - William H. Hill > Gavotte - Bach/Ken Swanson > Suite for Unaccompanied Tuba - Walter S. Hartley > In the Hall of the Mountain King - Grieg/G.E. Holmes > Dancing Song from Eight Russian Folksongs - Liadov/Ronald Dishinger > Tuba Solos Level 1(collection) (great for private students) > > Tuba Methods: > Arban-Prescott First and Second Year (great for private students) > > Cello Material: > Six Suites - Bach (Schirmer ed.) > Suite for Cello and Jazz Piano Trio - Claude Bolling (this is a > great work if you have not heard it... there is a great recording of > it by Yo Yo Ma and Bolling - you would need a very good > classical/jazz pianist to do this. It works best on bass trombone > but is doable on tenor) > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 15:31:34 -0400 From: danoyes@JUNO.COM Subject: To list-mate John Burton Sorry list... John, Could you please contact me at danoyes@juno.com. Nothing to worry about. I just switched computers, and no longer have your e-mail to send you the tracking number. I shipped this morning, UPS, insured for $1000. Thanks! Dan Noyes ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 14:46:07 -0500 From: Dean McCarty Subject: Re: Cleaning house The tuba solos are taken already. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dean McCarty" To: Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2002 2:10 PM Subject: [TBN-L] Cleaning house Hello list: I have the following that I am cleaning out. Make me an offer. I'd rather get rid of all of it as a group. Tenor Solos: Manipulations for solo trombone - Allen Molineux Cryptical Triptych - Walter Ross Carnival of Venice - transcribed by Josef Koestner Unaccompanied Solos for Tenor Trombone Vol. 3 - Tommy Pederson Unaccompanied Solos for Tenor Trombone Vol. 2 - Tommy Pederson Intermediate Trombone Solos (w/cassette and piano) - Eugene Watts (Canadian Brass Editions) (great for private students) Festival Performance Solos Vol. 1 (great for private students) Festival Performance Solos Vol. 2 (great for private students) Trombone Solos Level 1 (collection) (great for private students) Trombone Solos Level 2 (collection) (great for private students) Tenor Methods: Basic Routines - Robert Marsteller Elementary Method - Newell H. Long (Rubank) (great for private students) Tenor Duets: Modern Jazz Duets Vol. 1 "Cookin' " - David Baker Modern Jazz Duets Vol. 2 "Smokin' Duets" - David Baker Bass Solos: Remembrance (w/WW quartet) - David Liebman Concerto - Ellen Taaffe Zwilich (solo and study score) Tuba Solos: Variations for Tuba and Piano (The Cobbler's Bench) - Arthur Frackenpohl Fantasy for Tuba - Malcolm Arnold Larghetto and Allegro - Handel/Don Little Bourree - Handel/Ken Swanson Ricercar - D.Gabrielli/R.Winston Morris Conquistadores - William H. Hill Gavotte - Bach/Ken Swanson Suite for Unaccompanied Tuba - Walter S. Hartley In the Hall of the Mountain King - Grieg/G.E. Holmes Dancing Song from Eight Russian Folksongs - Liadov/Ronald Dishinger Tuba Solos Level 1(collection) (great for private students) Tuba Methods: Arban-Prescott First and Second Year (great for private students) Cello Material: Six Suites - Bach (Schirmer ed.) Suite for Cello and Jazz Piano Trio - Claude Bolling (this is a great work if you have not heard it... there is a great recording of it by Yo Yo Ma and Bolling - you would need a very good classical/jazz pianist to do this. It works best on bass trombone but is doable on tenor) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 15:58:46 EDT From: ALFORDMB@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Trombone CD's snip original > A whole album of just trio with > trombone seems like > an achievement in itself - are there others out there I'm > forgetting about or > missing? -------------------------- Dan Barrett has one called Trio and Quartet on Arbors, but it is TB, piano (Ray Sherman) and bass (Dave Stone). The quartet tracks add drums (Jake Hanna). I have seen Dan live several times and he likes to do duets with the bass. Comes over very nicely and gets good audience appreciation. Dan is not a "cutting edge" trombonist by any means, but he has superb technique and control of his instrument, beautiful tone, and impeccable musicality. Mike Alford ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 16:08:51 -0400 From: Dale Cruse Subject: Re: Trombone CD's Another terrific trombone-led trio album is Rob McConnell's "Trio Sketches" with guitarist Ed Bickert and bassist Neil Swainson. Who needs a drummer? Not these guys! Terrific album. --- Dale Cruse dale@dalecruse.com www.dalecruse.com On 9/14/02 3:58 PM, "ALFORDMB@AOL.COM" wrote: > snip original >> A whole album of just trio with >> trombone seems like >> an achievement in itself - are there others out there I'm >> forgetting about or >> missing? > -------------------------- > Dan Barrett has one called Trio and Quartet on Arbors, but it is TB, piano > (Ray Sherman) and bass (Dave Stone). The quartet tracks add drums (Jake > Hanna). I have seen Dan live several times and he likes to do duets with the > bass. Comes over very nicely and gets good audience appreciation. Dan is not > a "cutting edge" trombonist by any means, but he has superb technique and > control of his instrument, beautiful tone, and impeccable musicality. > > Mike Alford ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 16:51:28 -0400 From: Peter Collins & Sara Wilbur Subject: scoring question Hi all, A quick question regarding the presence or lack thereof of trombones in the following works: Sibelius: The Swan of Tuonela Lemminkainen's Return En Saga Any takers? Peter Collins Bass Trombone Hamilton Philharmonic Orchestra ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 18:30:52 -0400 From: John Reifel Subject: Re: Bell ring pitch ? (was Re: [TBN-L] 8th partial Ab) My primary bell resonates VERY strongly on fouth line f sharp-a little less so an octave lower. The vibration is so strong as to be somewhat annoying. Every time I play that note, I feel as if I am overemphasizing it and my skull feels as if it is vibrating too (I suppose that it actually is). To answer Sam's question: f sharp is the pitch that rings when I tap the bell. Problem notes: f sharp and g above middle c, but I think that is just because of where they lie in the harmonic series? >From: Jeff Oien >Reply-To: Jeff Oien >To: TROMBONE-L@PO.MISSOURI.EDU >Subject: Re: [TBN-L] Bell ring pitch ? (was Re: [TBN-L] 8th partial Ab) >Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 12:37:24 -0500 > >I tap my Bach 42B rose brass bell and get a B flat. Problem >notes in a range from middle G flat to B flat but I'm coming off >of a seven year layoff and they're becoming less and less >"problem". >Jeff Oien > > > Here's a weird one. > > > > I just found that tapping on the bell of 3 of my Shires horns > > (tapping with the flesh of the tip of my finger on the flare itself, > > not the bead around the edge of the bell) produces an Ab-ish note > > w/in a few cents sharper or flatter. Bass tbn. bell, medium large > > tenor or small tenor. Same note, much different bells. Not so the > > only other two horns I have handy at the moment, an old Conn 30 H > > (C#) and an even older 24H (D). > > > > More info as I get more horns out over the coming days. > > > > I am curious...what notes do your bells play when tapped that way? > > (Tapping the rim or using something harder than a fingertip seems to > > emphasize too many overtones. This way appears to isolate the > > fundamental more.) > > > > Further...if you have a problem note, what is it? (Or notes, for > > that matter.) > > > > I would really appreciate answers from everyone who has a spare > > minute on this one, if you possibly can. > > > > Thanks... > > > > Sam > > _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 19:18:40 -0500 From: Jeff Oien Subject: Giardinelli, Copying Mouthpieces etc. After being extremely serious about trombone playing I completely quit over seven years ago and was completely out of the loop. Now I come back full force again, read some archives and find out that Giardinelli not only doesn't make screw rims anymore, but they don't make their own mouthpieces? What is this world coming to?! I feel extremely blessed to have a Symphony B rim and cups of 4D, Van Haney and a custom made that's a little bigger than the Van Haney. If I were to ever want duplicates made or custom cups made that are similar, who would I go to? I don't need this now, but just want to do some research should that come up. My Van Haney cup has a shank that's made to fit a Conn but I have a Bach. I was thinking of having a copy made with a shank that fits better but now I'm afraid to send it anywhere since that's my main mouthpiece. If it got lost in the mail it would be like losing my firstborn. Well not really, since I don't have kids. :) Sorry if this has been brought up before. Digest archives are tough to sort through. Jeff Oien ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 22:55:15 EDT From: JFBermann@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Sibelius Instrumentation Hi Peter, The Swan of Tuonela is an English Horn solo feature. A beautiful piece but there are no trombones or Tuba. Lemminkainen's Return has three trombones and tuba. These are movements 2 and 4 from Sibelius's Legends. And En Saga has three trombones and tuba. All My Best, Jim ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 23:39:30 -0400 From: Roger Hecht Subject: Re: Sibelius Instrumentation At 10:55 PM 9/14/2002 -0400, JFBermann@AOL.COM wrote: >Hi Peter, >The Swan of Tuonela is an English Horn solo feature. >A beautiful piece but there are no trombones or Tuba. >Lemminkainen's Return has three trombones and tuba. >These are movements 2 and 4 from Sibelius's Legends. >And En Saga has three trombones and tuba. One correction. The Swan has three trombones. No tuba. Roger Hecht ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 23:45:20 EDT From: Wcdemmert@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Sibelius Instrumentation Peter and Jim, I just played the Swan of Tuonela at a summer music festival. If I remember correctly it had two horns and three trombones. Wade Demmert ------------------------------ End of TROMBONE-L Digest - 13 Sep 2002 to 14 Sep 2002 (#2002-63) ****************************************************************