TROMBONE-L Digest 2455 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: hey pbs is cool --but whats happenin at bones west ??????? by "Adrian Drover" 2) Re: 2B, etc. by "Fred Hudson" 3) Re: 2B, etc. by "D.J. Kennedy" 4) RE: Cousins by "Tom Izzo" 5) Re: trb/tpt NY Phil - PBS tonight by "Rod Ellard" 6) Re: 2B, etc. by "Fred Hudson" 7) Re: 2B, etc. by "D.J. Kennedy" 8) Re: 2B, etc. by 9) Re: Conn 40H by Bruce Guttman 10) Re: 2B, etc. by "Fred Hudson" 11) Re: Cousins by Walter Barrett 12) Re: Cousins by "Adrian Drover" 13) tubes by 14) Keeping Instruments Polished by Chris Waage 15) RE: Keeping instrument polished by Joestanko@aol.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2455 Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 19:09:18 +0100 From: "Adrian Drover" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: hey pbs is cool --but whats happenin at bones west ??????? Message-ID: <009301c22f4f$6905b9e0$d8479fd4@homel29g9mgyk9> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "D.J. Kennedy" > i heard you got a bunch of hot shots from disney playin w you now > --kids that are playing in blast etc > my source also reports that you played some great charts > saturday!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > your just friends cd is fabulous --you got anything cookin [burnin] > and someday everybody hopes a foundation can be set up to > publish > some of your fantasia library ---not everybody has a buncha > geniuses and georges > you guys are the best in the west !!!!!!!!! > oooh i gotta eat a fresh tomato -----yum !!!! > i was kinda hopin to blow one of your charts at the itf weekend > warriors gig > how about it ralphy boy ???? > norton !!!!!! I'd second that..., if I could understand it ;-) A. Adrian Drover ADIOS, Scotland www.adios.co.uk Personal email: adrian@adios.co.uk ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2455 Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 15:50:30 -0500 From: "Fred Hudson" To: "Gary Sloane" , , "M & S Walker" , Subject: Re: 2B, etc. Message-ID: <004801c22f65$ed293ba0$271298d8@s0024172501> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit These are not shop drawing numbers but dimensions taken this afternoon wiith a digital vernier on a 2B and a 3B made in the old H N White shop 50 or so years ago: 2B # 299013 3B #356956 Outer Slide MP side 0.5525 0.5685 Outer Slide rcvr side 0.5530 0.5695 Inner Slide MP side 0.5045 0.5370 Inner Slide rcvr side 0.5085 0.5380 Stocking MP side 0.5255 0.5425 Stocking rcvr side 0.5250 0.5415 All measurements are OD's - It's hard to get good ID's with a vernier - I hope the formatting doesn't get too screwed up by the e-mail. Of course UMI may very well have "improved" the process to cut down on parts inventory, but at least in the"old days" there was a definite distinction. Fred Hudson ----- Original Message ----- From: "M & S Walker" To: "Trombone-L" ; Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 12:03 AM Subject: Re: 2B, etc. > > > > The outer slides are identical, but the 2B > > > slides have an extra sleve inside the outers > > > to mate with the smaller inners; > > Huh?????? I very seriously doubt that this is the case. Making such a beast > would be increadibly difficult and expensive. Your talking about a sleeve > which is only around .001 to .003 (at most) wall thickness, perfectly fitted > inside another tube. Tooling up and the costs to make this would be much > greater than simply drawing appropriately sized tubes. Not to mention that > the sleeve would be fairly fragile, not something you want inside a trombone > outer slide, I wouldn't think. Chances are more likely the stockings are > drawn slightly larger to fit the larger outer. > > But hey, if there's documentation to prove me wrong.......... > > Cheers > Matthew Walker > Bass Trombonist, Opera Australia > Walker's Instrument Repair, The Brassery. > > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2455 Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 18:15:59 -0500 From: "D.J. Kennedy" To: Fred Hudson Cc: Gary Sloane , M & S Walker , Trombone-L Subject: Re: 2B, etc. Message-ID: <3D389DAF.91959808@midwest.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit wow a 3b in the 356000's ---how cool !!!!!!!!is it clear laq ??brass weight i got one in 360s very tight slide --clear laq and one in 359s pale gold laq thanks for the measurements i believe that the tubes were hand drawn then inner and outers matched up by feel bit of a dual bore going on that3b too !! Fred Hudson wrote: > These are not shop drawing numbers but dimensions taken this afternoon wiith > a digital vernier on a 2B and a 3B made in the old H N White shop 50 or so > years ago: > 2B # 299013 3B #356956 > > Outer Slide MP side 0.5525 0.5685 > Outer Slide rcvr side 0.5530 0.5695 > Inner Slide MP side 0.5045 0.5370 > Inner Slide rcvr side 0.5085 0.5380 > Stocking MP side 0.5255 0.5425 > Stocking rcvr side 0.5250 0.5415 > > All measurements are OD's - It's hard to get good ID's with a vernier - I > hope the formatting doesn't get too screwed up by the e-mail. > Of course UMI may very well have "improved" the process to cut down on parts > inventory, but at least in the"old days" there was a definite distinction. > > Fred Hudson > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "M & S Walker" > To: "Trombone-L" ; > Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 12:03 AM > Subject: Re: 2B, etc. > > > > > > > The outer slides are identical, but the 2B > > > > slides have an extra sleve inside the outers > > > > to mate with the smaller inners; > > > > Huh?????? I very seriously doubt that this is the case. Making such a > beast > > would be increadibly difficult and expensive. Your talking about a sleeve > > which is only around .001 to .003 (at most) wall thickness, perfectly > fitted > > inside another tube. Tooling up and the costs to make this would be much > > greater than simply drawing appropriately sized tubes. Not to mention > that > > the sleeve would be fairly fragile, not something you want inside a > trombone > > outer slide, I wouldn't think. Chances are more likely the stockings are > > drawn slightly larger to fit the larger outer. > > > > But hey, if there's documentation to prove me wrong.......... > > > > Cheers > > Matthew Walker > > Bass Trombonist, Opera Australia > > Walker's Instrument Repair, The Brassery. > > > > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2455 Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 17:20:38 -0500 From: "Tom Izzo" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: Cousins Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Walter, You typed: Hi, all- My wife, Connie Tomaino, will be joining me on the cornet. _________________________________ WOW! That must be some instrument!!!! Both of you on ONE Cornet! To see that, would be worth the price of admission! LOL. Good luck no matter what you meant. :-) Tom ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2455 Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 15:41:03 -0700 From: "Rod Ellard" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: trb/tpt NY Phil - PBS tonight Message-ID: <002f01c22f75$753b60e0$527bfea9@Ellard> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Jim Markey, co-principal, did all the concert except fot Bolero when Joe took over. It was an extremely slow Bolero, seemed to take about 15 minutes, and Joe > seemed to be struggling - very surprising." > Dave. > Should've used a 2B. Rod ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2455 Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 18:30:09 -0500 From: "Fred Hudson" To: Cc: "Gary Sloane" , "M & S Walker" , Subject: Re: 2B, etc. Message-ID: <006f01c22f7c$3aa90200$271298d8@s0024172501> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DJ - I don't know as much about the 3B as I do the 2B - I bought the 2B new when I was in high school. The 3B is a fairly recent acquisition and was represented as "soft" brass. I'm not sure what that means in today's terminology but it's clear lacquer and looks similar to my gold brass Bach. I guess it's a high copper alloy but it might be annealed. I've thought of trying to trace the shop ticket but a lot of water has gone over the dam at King since this was made. Anyhoo it really sings! so I guess that's all I need to know.It IS a beauty Fred H ----- Original Message ----- From: "D.J. Kennedy" To: "Fred Hudson" Cc: "Gary Sloane" ; "M & S Walker" ; "Trombone-L" Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 6:15 PM Subject: Re: 2B, etc. > wow a 3b in the 356000's ---how cool !!!!!!!!is it clear laq ??brass weight > i got one in 360s very tight slide --clear laq and one in 359s pale gold > laq > thanks for the measurements > i believe that the tubes were hand drawn then inner and outers matched up by > feel > bit of a dual bore going on that3b too !! > > Fred Hudson wrote: > > > These are not shop drawing numbers but dimensions taken this afternoon wiith > > a digital vernier on a 2B and a 3B made in the old H N White shop 50 or so > > years ago: > > 2B # 299013 3B #356956 > > > > Outer Slide MP side 0.5525 0.5685 > > Outer Slide rcvr side 0.5530 0.5695 > > Inner Slide MP side 0.5045 0.5370 > > Inner Slide rcvr side 0.5085 0.5380 > > Stocking MP side 0.5255 0.5425 > > Stocking rcvr side 0.5250 0.5415 > > > > All measurements are OD's - It's hard to get good ID's with a vernier - I > > hope the formatting doesn't get too screwed up by the e-mail. > > Of course UMI may very well have "improved" the process to cut down on parts > > inventory, but at least in the"old days" there was a definite distinction. > > > > Fred Hudson > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "M & S Walker" > > To: "Trombone-L" ; > > Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 12:03 AM > > Subject: Re: 2B, etc. > > > > > > > > > > The outer slides are identical, but the 2B > > > > > slides have an extra sleve inside the outers > > > > > to mate with the smaller inners; > > > > > > Huh?????? I very seriously doubt that this is the case. Making such a > > beast > > > would be increadibly difficult and expensive. Your talking about a sleeve > > > which is only around .001 to .003 (at most) wall thickness, perfectly > > fitted > > > inside another tube. Tooling up and the costs to make this would be much > > > greater than simply drawing appropriately sized tubes. Not to mention > > that > > > the sleeve would be fairly fragile, not something you want inside a > > trombone > > > outer slide, I wouldn't think. Chances are more likely the stockings are > > > drawn slightly larger to fit the larger outer. > > > > > > But hey, if there's documentation to prove me wrong.......... > > > > > > Cheers > > > Matthew Walker > > > Bass Trombonist, Opera Australia > > > Walker's Instrument Repair, The Brassery. > > > > > > > > > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2455 Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 21:28:06 -0500 From: "D.J. Kennedy" To: Fred Hudson Cc: Gary Sloane , M & S Walker , Trombone-L Subject: Re: 2B, etc. Message-ID: <3D38CAB6.BA2F1AD9@midwest.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit the gold brass is a high copper //zinc brass alloy --the bells were advertised as annealed --actually there are wide differences in the temper from soft to hard ----i can almost spot a soft bell by now even the dents look different than the dents on a hard bell Fred Hudson wrote: > DJ - I don't know as much about the 3B as I do the 2B - I bought the 2B new > when I was in high school. The 3B is a fairly recent acquisition and was > represented as "soft" brass. I'm not sure what that means in today's > terminology but it's clear lacquer and looks similar to my gold brass Bach. > I guess it's a high copper alloy but it might be annealed. I've thought of > trying to trace the shop ticket but a lot of water has gone over the dam at > King since this was made. Anyhoo it really sings! so I guess that's all I > need to know.It IS a beauty > > Fred H > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "D.J. Kennedy" > To: "Fred Hudson" > Cc: "Gary Sloane" ; "M & S Walker" > ; "Trombone-L" > Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 6:15 PM > Subject: Re: 2B, etc. > > > wow a 3b in the 356000's ---how cool !!!!!!!!is it clear laq ??brass > weight > > i got one in 360s very tight slide --clear laq and one in 359s pale > gold > > laq > > thanks for the measurements > > i believe that the tubes were hand drawn then inner and outers matched > up by > > feel > > bit of a dual bore going on that3b too !! > > > > Fred Hudson wrote: > > > > > These are not shop drawing numbers but dimensions taken this afternoon > wiith > > > a digital vernier on a 2B and a 3B made in the old H N White shop 50 or > so > > > years ago: > > > 2B # 299013 3B #356956 > > > > > > Outer Slide MP side 0.5525 0.5685 > > > Outer Slide rcvr side 0.5530 0.5695 > > > Inner Slide MP side 0.5045 0.5370 > > > Inner Slide rcvr side 0.5085 0.5380 > > > Stocking MP side 0.5255 0.5425 > > > Stocking rcvr side 0.5250 0.5415 > > > > > > All measurements are OD's - It's hard to get good ID's with a vernier - > I > > > hope the formatting doesn't get too screwed up by the e-mail. > > > Of course UMI may very well have "improved" the process to cut down on > parts > > > inventory, but at least in the"old days" there was a definite > distinction. > > > > > > Fred Hudson > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "M & S Walker" > > > To: "Trombone-L" ; > > > Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 12:03 AM > > > Subject: Re: 2B, etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > The outer slides are identical, but the 2B > > > > > > slides have an extra sleve inside the outers > > > > > > to mate with the smaller inners; > > > > > > > > Huh?????? I very seriously doubt that this is the case. Making such a > > > beast > > > > would be increadibly difficult and expensive. Your talking about a > sleeve > > > > which is only around .001 to .003 (at most) wall thickness, perfectly > > > fitted > > > > inside another tube. Tooling up and the costs to make this would be > much > > > > greater than simply drawing appropriately sized tubes. Not to mention > > > that > > > > the sleeve would be fairly fragile, not something you want inside a > > > trombone > > > > outer slide, I wouldn't think. Chances are more likely the stockings > are > > > > drawn slightly larger to fit the larger outer. > > > > > > > > But hey, if there's documentation to prove me wrong.......... > > > > > > > > Cheers > > > > Matthew Walker > > > > Bass Trombonist, Opera Australia > > > > Walker's Instrument Repair, The Brassery. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2455 Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 14:16:26 -0700 (PDT) From: To: Cc: , , , Subject: Re: 2B, etc. Message-ID: <36640.192.18.42.10.1027113386.squirrel@webmail.inreach.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Even with good calipers, it's hard to know for sure after 50 years or so. If you eye-ball the inner surfaces of the outer slides, I think you'll find the 2B has an insert that the 3B lacks. At least that's the way it was on my old "JJ Special", which had no provenance but came from the factory with a 3B bell and both 2B and 3B slides fitted with 3B receivers. If I were at home now, I'd take a look at some current slides, but... ....as I remember, the 3B outer fits right over the 2B inner, just leaving a bit too much slop. For manufacturing questions, I believe the guy who actually knows is Dan Shideler at UMI. Gary > These are not shop drawing numbers but dimensions taken this afternoon > wiith a digital vernier on a 2B and a 3B made in the old H N White shop > 50 or so years ago: > 2B # 299013 3B #356956 > > Outer Slide MP side 0.5525 0.5685 > Outer Slide rcvr side 0.5530 0.5695 > Inner Slide MP side 0.5045 0.5370 > Inner Slide rcvr side 0.5085 0.5380 > Stocking MP side 0.5255 0.5425 > Stocking rcvr side 0.5250 0.5415 > > All measurements are OD's - It's hard to get good ID's with a vernier - > I hope the formatting doesn't get too screwed up by the e-mail. > Of course UMI may very well have "improved" the process to cut down on > parts inventory, but at least in the"old days" there was a definite > distinction. > > Fred Hudson > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "M & S Walker" > To: "Trombone-L" ; > Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 12:03 AM > Subject: Re: 2B, etc. > > >> >> > > The outer slides are identical, but the 2B >> > > slides have an extra sleve inside the outers >> > > to mate with the smaller inners; >> >> Huh?????? I very seriously doubt that this is the case. Making such a > beast >> would be increadibly difficult and expensive. Your talking about a >> sleeve which is only around .001 to .003 (at most) wall thickness, >> perfectly > fitted >> inside another tube. Tooling up and the costs to make this would be >> much greater than simply drawing appropriately sized tubes. Not to >> mention > that >> the sleeve would be fairly fragile, not something you want inside a > trombone >> outer slide, I wouldn't think. Chances are more likely the stockings >> are drawn slightly larger to fit the larger outer. >> >> But hey, if there's documentation to prove me wrong.......... >> >> Cheers >> Matthew Walker >> Bass Trombonist, Opera Australia >> Walker's Instrument Repair, The Brassery. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2455 Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 20:54:18 -0400 From: Bruce Guttman To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Conn 40H Message-ID: <200207192054_MC3-1-74D-79FE@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Jim (and listers) I have a 40H that I got on Ebay. It has a nice sound and works nicely as a lead horn in Big Band or as a Dixieland horn. If your student doesn't have a counterweight on the one brace by the bell bow, he should put one on. The horn will be very unbalanced if you don't. These are the legendary "Ballroom" models from Conn. In their day they were really special. If you go to the Conn Information site (I don't have the URL, but it is on Brass Resources) you can get information on all the older Conn models (up to 1965). Hope this helps. Bruce Guttman Solo Trombone, Hollis Town Band Section Leader, Merrimack Valley Philharmonic Orchestra ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2455 Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 21:12:23 -0500 From: "Fred Hudson" To: Cc: "Gary Sloane" , "M & S Walker" , Subject: Re: 2B, etc. Message-ID: <008401c22f92$e48d6e80$271298d8@s0024172501> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DJ That's what I suspected - The higher copper would make a slightly softer alloy but the big difference would be made by the annealing process. Controls being what they were in the fifties as compared to today I would guess that the batch to batch variation in hardness was more pronounced. I think I have a real jewel. BTW Gary I'm not trying to make an issue over the standardization of the 2B and 3B frames. I'm simply pointing out that in the older horns there doesn't seem to be evidence of a standard OD for the two outer slides. Having been in a manufacturing industry for 40 years I have seen (and even implemented in some cases) the advent of statistical process controls and "lean manufacturing" which keep production costs down and maintain a consistent high quality product. I would be surprised if UMI hasn't implemented a number of practices to reduce the number of different parts in inventory. Maybe you could get Dan Shideler to help us out on this. Incidentally my 2B slide is too small to fit directly into the 3B bell. The taper angle is the same but the receiver of the 3B is larger. I think a few wraps of Teflon pipe tape will secure a fit but the change in effect may be too subtle for my recycled chops. Fred H ----- Original Message ----- From: "D.J. Kennedy" To: "Fred Hudson" Cc: "Gary Sloane" ; "M & S Walker" ; "Trombone-L" Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 9:28 PM Subject: Re: 2B, etc. > the gold brass is a high copper //zinc brass alloy --the bells were > advertised as > annealed --actually there are wide differences in the temper from soft > to hard ----i can almost spot a soft bell by now even the dents look > different > than the dents on a hard bell > > > > Fred Hudson wrote: > > > DJ - I don't know as much about the 3B as I do the 2B - I bought the 2B new > > when I was in high school. The 3B is a fairly recent acquisition and was > > represented as "soft" brass. I'm not sure what that means in today's > > terminology but it's clear lacquer and looks similar to my gold brass Bach. > > I guess it's a high copper alloy but it might be annealed. I've thought of > > trying to trace the shop ticket but a lot of water has gone over the dam at > > King since this was made. Anyhoo it really sings! so I guess that's all I > > need to know.It IS a beauty > > > > Fred H > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "D.J. Kennedy" > > To: "Fred Hudson" > > Cc: "Gary Sloane" ; "M & S Walker" > > ; "Trombone-L" > > Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 6:15 PM > > Subject: Re: 2B, etc. > > > > > wow a 3b in the 356000's ---how cool !!!!!!!!is it clear laq ??brass > > weight > > > i got one in 360s very tight slide --clear laq and one in 359s pale > > gold > > > laq > > > thanks for the measurements > > > i believe that the tubes were hand drawn then inner and outers matched > > up by > > > feel > > > bit of a dual bore going on that3b too !! > > > > > > Fred Hudson wrote: > > > > > > > These are not shop drawing numbers but dimensions taken this afternoon > > wiith > > > > a digital vernier on a 2B and a 3B made in the old H N White shop 50 or > > so > > > > years ago: > > > > 2B # 299013 3B #356956 > > > > > > > > Outer Slide MP side 0.5525 0.5685 > > > > Outer Slide rcvr side 0.5530 0.5695 > > > > Inner Slide MP side 0.5045 0.5370 > > > > Inner Slide rcvr side 0.5085 0.5380 > > > > Stocking MP side 0.5255 0.5425 > > > > Stocking rcvr side 0.5250 0.5415 > > > > > > > > All measurements are OD's - It's hard to get good ID's with a vernier - > > I > > > > hope the formatting doesn't get too screwed up by the e-mail. > > > > Of course UMI may very well have "improved" the process to cut down on > > parts > > > > inventory, but at least in the"old days" there was a definite > > distinction. > > > > > > > > Fred Hudson > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "M & S Walker" > > > > To: "Trombone-L" ; > > > > Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 12:03 AM > > > > Subject: Re: 2B, etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The outer slides are identical, but the 2B > > > > > > > slides have an extra sleve inside the outers > > > > > > > to mate with the smaller inners; > > > > > > > > > > Huh?????? I very seriously doubt that this is the case. Making such a > > > > beast > > > > > would be increadibly difficult and expensive. Your talking about a > > sleeve > > > > > which is only around .001 to .003 (at most) wall thickness, perfectly > > > > fitted > > > > > inside another tube. Tooling up and the costs to make this would be > > much > > > > > greater than simply drawing appropriately sized tubes. Not to mention > > > > that > > > > > the sleeve would be fairly fragile, not something you want inside a > > > > trombone > > > > > outer slide, I wouldn't think. Chances are more likely the stockings > > are > > > > > drawn slightly larger to fit the larger outer. > > > > > > > > > > But hey, if there's documentation to prove me wrong.......... > > > > > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > Matthew Walker > > > > > Bass Trombonist, Opera Australia > > > > > Walker's Instrument Repair, The Brassery. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2455 Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 22:23:13 -0400 From: Walter Barrett To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Cousins Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Thus spake, not Zarathustra, but Tom Izzo... > Walter, > > > You typed: > > Hi, all- > > My > wife, Connie Tomaino, will be joining me on the cornet. > > _________________________________ > > WOW! That must be some instrument!!!! Both of you on ONE Cornet! To see > that, would be worth the price of admission! > LOL. > > > Good luck no matter what you meant. :-) > > Tom > > > You got it, Tom! She blows in the little end, and I blow in the big end. ;-) Walter Barrett "If I ever lose my mind, I hope some honest person will find it and take it to the lost and found." -George Carlin Yamaha Artist/Clinician Tenor, Alto, Bass Trombones Euphonium Bass Trumpet Tuba ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2455 Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 08:59:09 +0100 From: "Adrian Drover" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Cousins Message-ID: <004201c22fc3$65e52740$d8479fd4@homel29g9mgyk9> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Walter Barrett" > You got it, Tom! She blows in the little end, and I blow in the big end. Walter, you should try it without the cornet. Much more intimate! A. Adrian Drover ADIOS, Scotland www.adios.co.uk Personal email: adrian@adios.co.uk ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2455 Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 10:51:36 -0400 From: To: Trombone-L Subject: tubes Message-ID: Hi All, I probably don't need to tell most of you but, the outer diameter of the OUTER tubes is for the most part insignificant. The critical measurements are the INNER diameter of the outer tubes and the outer diameter of the inner tube stockings ( the expanded part at the bottom of the inner tubes). The outer diameter of the outer tube is basically a matter of the tube wall thickness. Thanks Eric Edwards bonearzt@mindspring.com "Just shut up and play!" Thanks Eric Edwards bonearzt@mindspring.com "Just shut up and play!" ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2455 Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 10:03:08 -0500 From: Chris Waage To: Trombone-L Subject: Keeping Instruments Polished Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Just a quick funny story about polishing instruments . . . In 1984, I was playing a Holton TR-180. I had spent about two hours cleaning it and polishing it, and had loaded it into the back seat of my extended cab pickup to be ready to head to school the next morning. Around 4:30 a.m. the next morning, a burler broke into the truck (it's almost child's play to open the older Fords....). He took his time removing the stereo and components, then pulled the trombone out of the case to see what it was. He left it, and took off with the $50 stereo. In addition, he left a LOVELY left thumb print on the bell of the instrument . . . which was used to convict him. Crime doesn't pay, but sometimes polishing the instrument does. Chris -- ________________________________________________ Chris Waage, Associate Webmaster chris@trombone.org http://www.trombone.org - A web site for trombonists ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2455 Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 12:29:39 EDT From: Joestanko@aol.com To: chris@trombone.org, trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: RE: Keeping instrument polished Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_d6.198486d2.2a6ae9f3_boundary" <> Chris, maybe he was only looking for an inline!! Good thing that you didn't have a TR-181 - but then again, maybe you'd still have the car stereo.. Joe ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2455--