TROMBONE-L Digest 2452 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) RE: Prairie Brass Band - Web site by richardt@LEE.ARMY.MIL 2) RE: Prairie Brass Band - Web site by "Gary Greenhoe" 3) RE: Schilke/Bach combo by "Gary Greenhoe" 4) Re: Rotary valve lubrication by "Daniel Pliskin" 5) Los Angeles area Concert Announcement by "Les Benedict" 6) 2B+3B by "Rod Ellard" 7) Re: Prairie Brass Band - Web site by "Adrian Drover" 8) Re: Rotary valve lubrication by "Adrian Drover" 9) Fw: Midland CD Club Customer update by "Keith Marr" 10) Re: 2B+3B by "D.J. Kennedy" 11) RE: Prairie Brass Band - Web site by "Gary Greenhoe" 12) newbie lip questions by robert.osterlund@attbi.com 13) Re: newbie lip questions by "D.J. Kennedy" 14) Re: newbie lip questions by Walter Barrett 15) Re: newbie lip questions by robert.osterlund@attbi.com 16) Re: newbie lip questions by "D.J. Kennedy" 17) Re: newbie lip questions by SteveInside@aol.com 18) Re: 2B+3B by alex iles 19) Re: 2B+3B by "D.J. Kennedy" 20) RE: newbie lip questions by "Avery, Ray (232)" 21) jj johnson --new book excercises and etudes 4 the jazz instrumentalist by "D.J. Kennedy" 22) Re: jj johnson --new book excercises and etudes 4 the jazz instrumentalist by SteveInside@aol.com 23) parts help...Conn bass receiver by "Gary Greenhoe" ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2452 Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 13:04:21 -0400 From: richardt@LEE.ARMY.MIL To: chris@trombone.org, trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: RE: Prairie Brass Band - Web site Message-ID: <81F62454EA21B94EA95517180D7303730243FC35@lee-is-102.lee.army.mil> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C22CEA.D46C9350" Thanks. Good site. But I don't recognize any current trombone players as listmembers.Ê What's up?Ê -----Original Message----- From: Chris Waage [mailto:chris@trombone.org] Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 1:47 PM To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Prairie Brass Band - Web site http://www.prairiebrass.org Chris ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2452 Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 14:00:21 -0500 From: "Gary Greenhoe" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: Prairie Brass Band - Web site Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Tim, That's because they are all working musicians! ;-) Actually Doug's daughter is in the ensemble...and Steve Larkin. The only objection I think we should raise about the website....is the listing of BARITONES ahead of trombones! Bad mistake! ;-) Gary -----Original Message----- From: owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu [mailto:owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu]On Behalf Of richardt@LEE.ARMY.MIL Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 12:04 PM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: RE: Prairie Brass Band - Web site Thanks. Good site. But I don't recognize any current trombone players as listmembers. What's up? -----Original Message----- From: Chris Waage [mailto:chris@trombone.org] Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 1:47 PM To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Prairie Brass Band - Web site http://www.prairiebrass.org Chris ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2452 Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 14:19:19 -0500 From: "Gary Greenhoe" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: Schilke/Bach combo Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, Eric..Matthew, yes, I believe that Conn used a Jarno taper on a number of things...rather than a Morse. ...that should give idle listmembers something to research....;-) Gary -----Original Message----- From: owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu [mailto:owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu]On Behalf Of Eric & Candice Swanson Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 2:57 PM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Re: Schilke/Bach combo M & S Walker wrote: > So what type of horn was the Schilke mouthpiece line designed for? The old Conns, like the 60H, 62H, 8H, 88H, etc. that had the Remington-type shank mouthpieces. Eric Swanson ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2452 Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 20:13:19 +0000 From: "Daniel Pliskin" To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Rotary valve lubrication Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed =========== The saliva moisture which gathers in the instrument is sufficient to keep the valves rotating smoothly, and I have had several bad experiences with so-called "light" oils sold by instrument manufacturers, which "gum up" if not cleaned out and changed every few days, thereby slowing up the valves. Surely we all know that, by far, the majority of the water that winds up in a trombone is condensation, not spit. If you donât believe it, just try playing for a while in an air conditioned room and see how much more ãspitä collects in your horn than it does when the trombone is warm and the humidity is high. If this guy does spit that much, into his French horn, then Iâd blame the spit, not the oil. But then, when was this written. Iâve gotten a few old trombones that were clearly lubricated with machine oil. The old saying ãoil and water donât mixä is actually false. Oil and water do mix, if stirred up enough and they form a gooey gray mess that I wouldnât want in my trombone. Thatâs why I use a modern slide lube, not machine oil and definitely not massive amounts of spit. DanP _________________________________________________________________ Join the worldâs largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2452 Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 19:00:04 -0700 From: "Les Benedict" To: Subject: Los Angeles area Concert Announcement Message-ID: <003801c22d35$aad0c340$ff201b42@mightyhru2si1z> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Doug MacDonald group, featuring a combination of brass quintet and woodwind quintet (with the horn as the "swing" player for both groups), plus four rhythm, will perform on Thursday, July 25 at the Jazz Bakery in Culver City, California, shows at 8:00 & 9:30 P.M. I will be playing tuba with the group. It's great fun and good jazz; hope you can make it. Les Benedict lbenedict@socal.rr.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2452 Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 21:25:45 -0700 From: "Rod Ellard" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: 2B+3B Message-ID: <000701c22d4a$07ff5900$527bfea9@Ellard> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Can you put a slide section from a 2B+ with a 3B bell section? Rod ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2452 Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 08:17:57 +0100 From: "Adrian Drover" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Prairie Brass Band - Web site Message-ID: <003b01c22d63$f4552c30$d8479fd4@homel29g9mgyk9> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Gary Greenhoe" > The only objection I think we should raise about the website....is the > listing of BARITONES ahead of trombones! Bad mistake! ;-) I'm afraid that is the accepted convention in the brass band. It doesn't actually attach any more importance to the baritone than the trombone. Just means the baritones are an extension of the horn section on the score page. The euphoniums come below the 'bones in the score, as they belong in the tuba section. I guess that's a little confusing to those Americans who think the baritone and euphonium are the same instrument ;-) In the UK, baritones are the brass band equivelent of violas in the orchestra, in that they suffer the brunt of most instrumental jokes. A. Adrian Drover ADIOS, Scotland www.adios.co.uk Personal email: adrian@adios.co.uk ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2452 Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 08:39:51 +0100 From: "Adrian Drover" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Rotary valve lubrication Message-ID: <004201c22d65$45d13300$d8479fd4@homel29g9mgyk9> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > That's why I use a modern slide lube, not machine oil and definitely not massive amounts of spit. I remember in my younger days, maybe when lubricants were not readily available (or too expensive), it was common practice to take a seized up piston valve out of its casing and spit on it. I always thought this was a disgusting habit, but I guess saliva must be a pretty good lubricant, because it usually got the valve moving again. A. Adrian Drover ADIOS, Scotland www.adios.co.uk Personal email: adrian@adios.co.uk ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2452 Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 13:05:04 +0100 From: "Keith Marr" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Fw: Midland CD Club Customer update Message-ID: <004701c22d8a$50ec5ec0$630086d9@Steelman> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Midland CD ClubI thought my name was embarrassing, how about this guy. (Mind where you step!) It comes from an email from the Midland CD Club New Cd's added to our Brass Ensemble and Military Categories BES0209 The Best of Timofei Dokshitser Wipe your feet after listening to it. Keith in Bb/F/D ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2452 Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 09:27:54 -0500 From: "D.J. Kennedy" To: ellard@sprint.ca Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: 2B+3B Message-ID: <3D357EEA.AE5B4675@midwest.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit yes with ease by changing taper on slide if necessary 2b slides are sometimes fitted up to 3b bells Rod Ellard wrote: > Can you put a slide section from a 2B+ with a 3B bell section? > > Rod ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2452 Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 07:32:28 -0500 From: "Gary Greenhoe" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: Prairie Brass Band - Web site Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Adrian... Your last sentence....my point exactly! (it was a joke) ;-) ;-) gary -----Original Message----- From: owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu [mailto:owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu]On Behalf Of Adrian Drover Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 2:18 AM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Re: Prairie Brass Band - Web site From: "Gary Greenhoe" > The only objection I think we should raise about the website....is the > listing of BARITONES ahead of trombones! Bad mistake! ;-) I'm afraid that is the accepted convention in the brass band. It doesn't actually attach any more importance to the baritone than the trombone. Just means the baritones are an extension of the horn section on the score page. The euphoniums come below the 'bones in the score, as they belong in the tuba section. I guess that's a little confusing to those Americans who think the baritone and euphonium are the same instrument ;-) In the UK, baritones are the brass band equivelent of violas in the orchestra, in that they suffer the brunt of most instrumental jokes. A. Adrian Drover ADIOS, Scotland www.adios.co.uk Personal email: adrian@adios.co.uk ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2452 Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 12:53:06 +0000 From: robert.osterlund@attbi.com To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Cc: trombone26@yahoo.com Subject: newbie lip questions Message-ID: <20020717125307.XUHS6023.sccrmhc02.attbi.com@rwcrwbc69> Folks: Okay, so now I've got a teacher, a modern tenor trombone to practice with, also an old, sort-of sackbut to tide me over until I can afford a "real" sackbut. Everything is going reasonably well except for one thing: my lips. For the last month, I have been practicing an hour a day. I would gladly practice more if not for concern about my lips. I look in the mirror nowadays and see this purplish pattern developing on my always tender, always somewhat swollen lower lip. I would practice beyond an hour a day but don't out of fear the lips will become so bad that I will (a) have to stop playing for several days and/or (b) permanently damage my lips. The lips are not so bad that (b) is a real worry, but (a) is a concern. I feel that daily practice is needed to sustain my momentum. Teacher says that I will develop lip stamina over time. How exactly does this come about? Does one develop calluses on the lips? A proper technique that minimizes wear and tear on the lips? A kind of stoic toughness that just accepts sore lips as the price one pays for being a brass instrument player? Should I use lip balm? How often? Which one? Would this be a pointless exercise? I just practice my sliding (following the printed music) without actually blowing the mouthpiece? Is there anything else I might do beyond that (now) one hour per day I can effectively practice the trombone? Anyway, when my lips tire, I can always turn my attention to practicing the recorder. But I'd still like to practice the trombone more! Berto -- robert.osterlund@attbi.com http://earlymusichicago.org/earlymusichicago ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2452 Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 10:40:19 -0500 From: "D.J. Kennedy" To: robert.osterlund@attbi.com Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: newbie lip questions Message-ID: <3D358FE3.423F8303@midwest.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hum i think you need to warm up very carefully what happens to me if i dont is that my lips become puffy immediately then disaster strikes --also rest frequently - dont push past the pain point or you are going backwards warm up slowly try ice on lips too and buzzing on the mouthpiece at odd time thru the day will slowly condition your chops --better shorter sessions that too long let your lip recover rather than trying to beat them into submission 5 minutes ------- i pick up horn --slowly blow long tones soft ----lips will start puffing up dont put lots of pressure on them ----also makesure you horn is balanced you may get an allergic reaction to the metal --so be very careful gold plating the rim is quick and easy -------- if just putting the mpc up toyour lip causes pain --lay off for a couple of days to heal --you may have bruised your lip --i wouldnt even put you on a horn until you got a good buzz going [maybe a week or longer] ---heal up start over -- dont over do it short sessions -carry mpc around blow on it little toots built your chops -dont tear them down ----------- its not instant gratification going on here robert.osterlund@attbi.com wrote: > Folks: > > Okay, so now I've got a teacher, a modern tenor trombone > to practice with, also an old, sort-of sackbut to tide > me over until I can afford a "real" sackbut. Everything > is going reasonably well except for one thing: my lips. > > For the last month, I have been practicing an hour a > day. I would gladly practice more if not for concern > about my lips. I look in the mirror nowadays and see > this purplish pattern developing on my always tender, > always somewhat swollen lower lip. > > I would practice beyond an hour a day but don't out of > fear the lips will become so bad that I will (a) have to > stop playing for several days and/or (b) permanently > damage my lips. The lips are not so bad that (b) is a > real worry, but (a) is a concern. I feel that daily > practice is needed to sustain my momentum. > > Teacher says that I will develop lip stamina over time. > How exactly does this come about? Does one develop > calluses on the lips? A proper technique that minimizes > wear and tear on the lips? A kind of stoic toughness > that just accepts sore lips as the price one pays for > being a brass instrument player? > > Should I use lip balm? How often? Which one? > > Would this be a pointless exercise? I just practice my > sliding (following the printed music) without actually > blowing the mouthpiece? > > Is there anything else I might do beyond that (now) one > hour per day I can effectively practice the trombone? > > Anyway, when my lips tire, I can always turn my > attention to practicing the recorder. But I'd still > like to practice the trombone more! > > Berto > > -- > robert.osterlund@attbi.com > http://earlymusichicago.org/earlymusichicago ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2452 Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 09:32:25 -0400 From: Walter Barrett To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: newbie lip questions Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Thus spake, not Zarathustra, but robert.osterlund@attbi.com... > I would gladly practice more if not for concern > about my lips. I look in the mirror nowadays and see > this purplish pattern developing on my always tender, > always somewhat swollen lower lip. > Without actually seeing what your chops look like when you play, it's hard to diagnose, but I'd start here... 1- Don't play loud/blow hard 2- Don't press hard with the mpce., it only needs to be tight enough to keep the air from leaking. 3- Keep your lips flat, like saying the letter M. (Mmmm, that sounds good!) Don't let them protrude into the mpce. > I would practice beyond an hour a day but don't out of > fear the lips will become so bad that I will (a) have to > stop playing for several days and/or (b) permanently > damage my lips. The lips are not so bad that (b) is a > real worry, but (a) is a concern. I feel that daily > practice is needed to sustain my momentum. > You might want to take a day or two off to give your lips a chance to recover. You already practice a lot more than most of my students, most of which I'd be happy to see practice an hour a week! > Teacher says that I will develop lip stamina over time. > How exactly does this come about? Does one develop > calluses on the lips? A proper technique that minimizes > wear and tear on the lips? A kind of stoic toughness > that just accepts sore lips as the price one pays for > being a brass instrument player? > Calluses? No. Stoic toughness? Well, a little... Proper technique? Definitely! > Should I use lip balm? How often? Which one? > It sounds to me like your lips are bruised, and balms won't help too much with that. Maybe a little ice, and/or some aspirin/ibuprofen. Balms are more for chapped lips, although those with menthol will feel cool, and might sooth your lips a bit. > Would this be a pointless exercise? I just practice my > sliding (following the printed music) without actually > blowing the mouthpiece? Not pointless at all! Sometimes learning to play an instrument can seem like trying to juggle 5 balls at once. By just doing the slide without actually making a sound, it's like you're learning to juggle 2 balls. You can concentrate on just one element, instead of many. Once you get juggling balls down, then it's time to try chainsaws... -- Walter Barrett "If you practice, you get better. If you get better, you play with better players. If you play with better players, you play better music. If you play better music, you have more fun. If you have fun, you want to practice more. If you practice more, you get better....." -Doug Yeo Yamaha Artist/Clinician Tenor, Alto, Bass Trombones Euphonium Bass Trumpet Tuba ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2452 Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 14:27:32 +0000 From: robert.osterlund@attbi.com To: djpens@midwest.net Cc: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: newbie lip questions Message-ID: <20020717142732.JTGG26053.rwcrmhc53.attbi.com@rwcrwbc58> DJ: > hum i think you need to warm up very carefully Good advice. > dont push past the pain point or you are going backwards It's not yet to the point of being painful. The purpling would suggesting bruising, however. > and buzzing on the mouthpiece at odd time thru the day will slowly > condition More good advice. I can take the mouthpiece to work and move some of my practice time to before late afternoon and evening. > your chops --better shorter sessions that too long > let your lip recover rather than trying to beat them into submission > 5 minutes Still more good advice, but a bit hard to follow. I had been doing an hour straight, going at it more or less without break. Teacher suggested breaking this into two half-hour sessions, which I have tried. More numerous, and shorter 10-15 sessions widely dispersed may be in order here. > you may get an allergic reaction to the metal --so be very careful > gold plating the rim is quick and easy I think the problem is more with bruising under the skin. I don't appear to have a surface reaction suggesting allergy. > if just putting the mpc up toyour lip causes pain - -lay off for a > couple of days > to heal --you may have bruised your lip --i wouldnt even put you on a > horn > until you got a good buzz going [maybe a week or longer] ---heal > up start over -- No, it's not that bad. Even after an hour's straight practice, I don't feel pain. I'm more just reacting to the sight of the bruising and swelling I see in the mirror. I couldn't practice at all yesterday. (From work, I drove three hours yesterday from Chicago up to Madison, Wisconsin to attend the Piffaro concert at the Madison Early Music Festival. Then it was a three-hour drive back to Chicago and return to work at 6 AM this morning. Whew! Anyway, aside from my love of that performing group, I specifically wanted to watch the group's sackbut player, Greg Ingles. He was awesome!) I will be away traveling Friday through Sunday. I think I'll just take the opportunity to stop blowing this entire week, and start back up again, and more slowly, beginning next week. Keeping my fingers crossed that I don't backslide too much from the layoff. > its not instant gratification going on here It's not exactly that. "Instant gratification" is where I'd expect to play expertly without practicing, or after just a few short weeks of practice. I'm willing to practice, and not be especially gratified with the results, for hours and weeks on end. I'm willing to pay my dues. I just want to pay them up front. Sure, you can tire yourself out playing almost any instrument too much too soon. It still comes as a surprise and frustration, though, that one has to start out so slowly and deliberately with brass instruments. It just goes with the territory, I now know. Berto -- robert.osterlund@attbi.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2452 Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 11:57:48 -0500 From: "D.J. Kennedy" To: robert.osterlund@attbi.com Cc: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: newbie lip questions Message-ID: <3D35A20C.9B8E097@midwest.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit some of the t listers are gonna have advice too-- remember buzzing on the mpc --even for short bursts will help lots --stop before mush mouth sets in there might be some stressing in corners getting tension going gradually you get strength there robert.osterlund@attbi.com wrote: > DJ: > > > hum i think you need to warm up very carefully > > Good advice. > > > dont push past the pain point or you are going > backwards > > It's not yet to the point of being painful. The > purpling would suggesting bruising, however. > > > and buzzing on the mouthpiece at odd time thru the > day will slowly > > condition > > More good advice. I can take the mouthpiece to work and > move some of my practice time to before late afternoon > and evening. > > > your chops --better shorter sessions that too long > > let your lip recover rather than trying to beat them > into submission > > 5 minutes > > Still more good advice, but a bit hard to follow. I had > been doing an hour straight, going at it more or less > without break. Teacher suggested breaking this into two > half-hour sessions, which I have tried. More numerous, > and shorter 10-15 sessions widely dispersed may be in > order here. > > > you may get an allergic reaction to the metal --so > be very careful > > gold plating the rim is quick and easy > > I think the problem is more with bruising under the > skin. I don't appear to have a surface reaction > suggesting allergy. > > > if just putting the mpc up toyour lip causes pain - > -lay off for a > > couple of days > > to heal --you may have bruised your lip --i wouldnt > even put you on a > > horn > > until you got a good buzz going [maybe a week or > longer] ---heal > > up start over -- > > No, it's not that bad. Even after an hour's straight > practice, I don't feel pain. I'm more just reacting to > the sight of the bruising and swelling I see in the > mirror. > > I couldn't practice at all yesterday. (From work, I > drove three hours yesterday from Chicago up to Madison, > Wisconsin to attend the Piffaro concert at the Madison > Early Music Festival. Then it was a three-hour drive > back to Chicago and return to work at 6 AM this > morning. Whew! Anyway, aside from my love of that > performing group, I specifically wanted to watch the > group's sackbut player, Greg Ingles. He was awesome!) > I will be away traveling Friday through Sunday. I think > I'll just take the opportunity to stop blowing this > entire week, and start back up again, and more slowly, > beginning next week. Keeping my fingers crossed that I > don't backslide too much from the layoff. > > > its not instant gratification going on here > > It's not exactly that. "Instant gratification" is where > I'd expect to play expertly without practicing, or after > just a few short weeks of practice. I'm willing to > practice, and not be especially gratified with the > results, for hours and weeks on end. I'm willing to pay > my dues. I just want to pay them up front. > > Sure, you can tire yourself out playing almost any > instrument too much too soon. It still comes as a > surprise and frustration, though, that one has to start > out so slowly and deliberately with brass instruments. > It just goes with the territory, I now know. > > Berto > > -- > robert.osterlund@attbi.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2452 Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 11:03:06 EDT From: SteveInside@aol.com To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: newbie lip questions Message-ID: <163.10ce2000.2a66e12a@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_163.10ce2000.2a66e12a_boundary" Hi Berto You might not want to hear from another newbie, but here's my experience for you to read or discard as it suits you. I have similar problems and I get a sense of lost mobility, increased thickness and poor sound when this is happening. It sounds as though you can't easily do what Walter and DJ are suggesting because of your schedule but their idea of little and often works really well for me and I use it quite a bit. However, at some point I find I do need to get to the point where I can do longer sessions just to get enough work in. If a decent warm up takes, say, fifteen or twenty minutes, then by the time that's over, if I only do another ten minutes I know I'll have to go through the warm up again later the same day just to get some work done on the horn. OR, the warm up is my practice, which has some merit I appreciate. And that's exactly what I do if I've had a layoff of a couple of days due to my schedule or a holiday of something. First day back I do only ten minutes or so sticking to gentle long tones. Second day I do that in the morning and again in the afternoon or evening. Third day I extend the first session of the day to maybe half and hour and then maybe do another fifteen minutes or a little more if it's feeling good later in the day. Then by day four I'm working towards more extended sessions in each day and able to do the exercises and some music. and that seems to work for me in getting past this feeling of bruising that I do sometimes get. Just my experience but I hope it's of some use. Steve ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2452 Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 08:37:11 -0800 From: alex iles Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: 2B+3B Message-ID: <3D359C8F.8DA25886@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi folks, I tried some of the new 2B+'s at UMI's exhibit at the NAMM show last January and I seem to remember hearing that UMI is now/will soon be making the new 2B+ and 3B slides and bells [and maybe even "regular" 2B's?] interchangable [i.e. without changing tapers]. Alex "D.J. Kennedy" wrote: > yes with ease by changing taper on slide if necessary > 2b slides are sometimes fitted up to 3b bells > > Rod Ellard wrote: > > > Can you put a slide section from a 2B+ with a 3B bell section? > > > > Rod ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2452 Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 13:03:44 -0500 From: "D.J. Kennedy" To: alexiles@earthlink.net, "tltltltltltltl forum." Subject: Re: 2B+3B Message-ID: <3D35B180.ADFAF900@midwest.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit the 606 fits up to 3b-the 606 slides are 500/500 whats that spell ??????? -----the old tempos fit to 2b bells the tempo slide is what 500 500 ????????--whats that spell ??????? the umi genius --needs to make a wide slide and unsoldered pipes alex iles wrote: > Hi folks, > I tried some of the new 2B+'s at UMI's exhibit at the NAMM show last > January and I seem to remember hearing that UMI is now/will soon be > making the new 2B+ and 3B slides and bells [and maybe even "regular" > 2B's?] interchangable [i.e. without changing tapers]. > > Alex > > "D.J. Kennedy" wrote: > > > yes with ease by changing taper on slide if necessary > > 2b slides are sometimes fitted up to 3b bells > > > > Rod Ellard wrote: > > > > > Can you put a slide section from a 2B+ with a 3B bell section? > > > > > > Rod ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2452 Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 11:42:08 -0400 From: "Avery, Ray (232)" To: SteveInside@aol.com, "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: newbie lip questions Message-ID: <8EA4E29BDDB9DD40AB16D71F40DE45E9110FEF@harvardgrp.harvardgrp.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C22DA8.82216EE0" This is my first post on this forum...so I hope I get it right. I agree with Steve. Though not a newbie, I can't play 5 hrs per day like I did in college years ago. After 45 minutes of solid playing, my lips start to get worn out. With a 10-15 minute break I can continue and get a good 1 1/2 hours in. If I try to push it beyond my endurance limit, the next day is horrible - I lose my upper range. I tend to do much the same as Steve. Ray AveryÊ -----Original Message----- From: SteveInside@aol.com [mailto:SteveInside@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 11:03 AM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Re: newbie lip questions Hi Berto You might not want to hear from another newbie, but here's my experience for you to read or discard as it suits you. I have similar problems and I get a sense of lost mobility, increased thickness and poor sound when this is happening. It sounds as though you can't easily do what Walter and DJ are suggesting because of your schedule but their idea of little and often works really well for me and I use it quite a bit. However, at some point I find I do need to get to the point where I can do longer sessions just to get enough work in. If a decent warm up takes, say, fifteen or twenty minutes, then by the time that's over, if I only do another ten minutes I know I'll have to go through the warm up again later the same day just to get some work done on the horn. OR, the warm up is my practice, which has some merit I appreciate. And that's exactly what I do if I've had a layoff of a couple of days due to my schedule or a holiday of something. First day back I do only ten minutes or so sticking to gentle long tones. Second day I do that in the morning and again in the afternoon or evening. Third day I extend the first session of the day to maybe half and hour and then maybe do another fifteen minutes or a little more if it's feeling good later in the day. Then by day four I'm working towards more extended sessions in each day and able to do the exercises and some music. and that seems to work for me in getting past this feeling of bruising that I do sometimes get. Just my experience but I hope it's of some use. Steve ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2452 Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 13:09:52 -0500 From: "D.J. Kennedy" To: "tltltltltltltl forum." Subject: jj johnson --new book excercises and etudes 4 the jazz instrumentalist Message-ID: <3D35B2EF.4A3D3C58@midwest.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit new and improved --a long way from the 63 robbins book baby !! why not ???!!!!!! ez to level 3 -----even the easiest whole note things swing its the melodic thing --- hal leonard 159 pages -----tenor clef ---yeah -its got charts written in tc ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2452 Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 12:15:22 EDT From: SteveInside@aol.com To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: jj johnson --new book excercises and etudes 4 the jazz instrumentalist Message-ID: <141.1194f232.2a66f21a@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_141.1194f232.2a66f21a_boundary" In a message dated 17/07/02 16:57:30 GMT Daylight Time, djpens@midwest.net writes: new and improved --a long way from the 63 robbins book baby !! why not ???!!!!!! ez to level 3 -----even the easiest whole note things swing its the melodic thing --- hal leonard 159 pages -----tenor clef ---yeah -its got charts written in tc Can you give us an ISBN for that DJ? ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2452 Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 11:49:39 -0500 From: "Gary Greenhoe" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: parts help...Conn bass receiver Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi List, I am having trouble finding a Conn bass slide receiver that fits the old 62-H, 70-72-H..or any other version that uses the old style shorter slide receivers. If anyone has one...just the receiver tube with no add on nuts or sockets, I am desperate to get one that is in good condition! Thanks in advance for any leads. Kind Regards, Gary Gary Greenhoe Greenhoe Musical Instrument Components Milwaukee Symphony Orchestra gary@greenhoe.com http://www.greenhoe.com 262-677-0460 ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2452--