TROMBONE-L Digest 2444 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) bill watrous report by "D.J. Kennedy" 2) Kenton Bass Trombone Features by "James W. Yardley" 3) RE: Kenton Bass Trombone Features by "James W. Yardley" 4) Re:Kenton Bass Trombone Feature by "Denny Seifried" 5) weird jazz webcast by "Jeff Albert" 6) All quiet on the western front? by "David Guion" 7) Re: All quiet on the western front? by "Adrian Drover" 8) Re: weird jazz webcast by SteveInside@aol.com 9) arranging or transcribing? by "James W. Yardley" 10) RE: All quiet on the western front? by "Jeff Albert" 11) RE: arranging or transcribing? by "Jeff Albert" 12) RE: arranging or transcribing? by "Jon Moeller" 13) Re: All quiet on the western front? by "Adrian Drover" 14) Re: All quiet on the western front? by SteveInside@aol.com 15) RE: All quiet on the western front? by "Gary Greenhoe" 16) Re: arranging or transcribing? by "Aaron Roth" 17) big news /// sliced bread ///attention bones malone by "D.J. Kennedy" 18) question, advice by Dslide13@aol.com 19) robin eubanks ////jazz corner /// by "D.J. Kennedy" 20) RE: All quiet on the western front? by "David Guion" 21) Re: arranging or transcribing? by "Adrian Drover" 22) A Crack in the Dam? by "Bill Dinwiddie" ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2444 Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 15:20:23 -0500 From: "D.J. Kennedy" To: "tltltltltltltl forum." Subject: bill watrous report Message-ID: <3D29F407.9CBE0A62@midwest.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit note : bob flynn is jamar jazz -bills agent -he also plays bass bone in the big band i am not gonna brag about how i hooked these cats up it was too easy !!!! noodle is brett barlows nickname -obviously if you heard him doing it on the slide --thus the nickname noodle is now conductor of ringling red ------aaaaaa trumpet ! after 8 years of bone --he has a legendary bird dog nose for sniffing out rare horns bruce ---bruce smith principle in second oldest standing sym in the country WRWatrous@aol.com wrote: > Yo , D.J. .......your`e wild !!How are you doing these days ?? It has been > rather hectic around here..... Bob Flynn is the greatest happening since > sliced bread.... I couldn`t get along without him ......don`t know how the > hell I ever did before...I have been playing a whole bunch , these days , and > my chops are in superb shape ....I may be coming out to one of the high > schools there....I`ll let you know about that ...Flynn has bought that 8 Bach > that Noodle sent to me a few months back....he loves it ...Sounds like you > and Bruce are having a good time out there ...Keep up the good work.. I still > have the pen you gave me a while ago ...works GREAT !!! Later , Bill Watrous ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2444 Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 18:49:15 -0700 From: "James W. Yardley" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Kenton Bass Trombone Features Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey everyone, I'm looking for a recording of "Get Out of Town" played by the Kenton band. I heard it's a bass trombone feature. I found the sheet music for it on Sierra's website but I can't find a recording. On the Sierra site it says that it was recorded on "Back to Balboa" but it's on in the track listing on CDNOWs website, the only place I could find "Back to Balboa." Any ideas? Also, I know George Roberts played with Kenton a lot. Did he ever record any features? Thanks for the help. Take care, James Yardley ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2444 Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 19:11:16 -0700 From: "James W. Yardley" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: Kenton Bass Trombone Features Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Correction, I meant to say "Get out of Town" is NOT on the track listing of Back to Balboa, not "on in" the track listing. Sorry for the brain fart. Take care, James -----Original Message----- From: owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu [mailto:owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu]On Behalf Of James W. Yardley Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 6:49 PM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Kenton Bass Trombone Features Hey everyone, I'm looking for a recording of "Get Out of Town" played by the Kenton band. I heard it's a bass trombone feature. I found the sheet music for it on Sierra's website but I can't find a recording. On the Sierra site it says that it was recorded on "Back to Balboa" but it's on in the track listing on CDNOWs website, the only place I could find "Back to Balboa." Any ideas? Also, I know George Roberts played with Kenton a lot. Did he ever record any features? Thanks for the help. Take care, James Yardley ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2444 Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 00:57:04 -0400 From: "Denny Seifried" To: "Trombone List" Subject: Re:Kenton Bass Trombone Feature Message-ID: <000e01c22705$48ebae00$3c5e5acf@seifriedcomp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Get Out of Town", was, if I remember correctly, not recorded by George Roberts; but by another great bass trombonist of George's generation, Kenny Shroyer. All Bill Holman fans will recognize Kenny Shroyer, as the bass trombonist on almost all of Bill's big band recorded works since the late 1950's. I had the great pleasure of meeting Kenny a couple of years ago, as he was touring with another great band, Mike Vax's Big Band. Kenny, along with George Roberts, has been an idol of mine since I bought my first Bill Holman recording, back around 1959. Kenny is a great guy and a terrific player. I was very humbled to meet him! Denny Seifried Bass Trombone-Springfield (OH) Symphony & Dayton Jazz Orchestra Adjunct Trombone-Wittenberg Univ. Dept. of Music ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2444 Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 00:36:34 -0500 From: "Jeff Albert" To: "Trombones and related Forum." Subject: weird jazz webcast Message-ID: <000801c2270a$96536840$c9209d42@jeff> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I play in a rather eclectic large ensemble called the Naked Orchestra (don't worry, we keep our clothes on.we're not Bonerama, but Rick Trolsen and Matt Perrine from Bonerama are in this group too). We recently did a local TV show, and it is available for web viewing at http://www.louisianajukebox.com/audiovideo.htm . It's a bit on the outside, but Rick and I did get to play an improvised duet, and no we didn't dress alike on purpose. If you are feeling brave, check it out. Jeff Albert www.jeffalbert.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2444 Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 05:44:26 -0700 From: "David Guion" To: Subject: All quiet on the western front? Message-ID: <200207090544.AA136708434@trombone.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I have only been getting half a dozen or fewer posts the past few days. That's enough to know I'm not logged off, but not nearly the level of loquaciousness I would normally expect from this group. Is everyone else off at a gig, or am I just not getting everything? -- *^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^* David Guion "When you swim in the sea And an eel bites your knee-- That's a moray!" david@trombone.org *^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^* -- ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2444 Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 14:15:08 +0100 From: "Adrian Drover" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: All quiet on the western front? Message-ID: <007501c2274a$b722a780$d8479fd4@homel29g9mgyk9> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "David Guion" > I have only been getting half a dozen or fewer posts the past few days. That's enough to know I'm not logged off, but not nearly the level of loquaciousness I would normally expect from this group. Is everyone else off at a gig, or am I just not getting everything? Loquaciousness? I just had to look that one up. Doesn't seem to be related to trombonespeak in any way, but my spell checker has it on file. Personally, I welcome the lull. I've managed to get two lengthy scores completed. By the way, I sent a July 4th greeting to the list which seems to have got lost somewhere in digital space. Hope everyone had a good and peaceful one. Cheers David and any other lurkers, A. Adrian Drover ADIOS, Scotland www.adios.co.uk Personal email: adrian@adios.co.uk ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2444 Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 09:37:59 EDT From: SteveInside@aol.com To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: weird jazz webcast Message-ID: <112.1424f090.2a5c4137@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_112.1424f090.2a5c4137_boundary" Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Language: en In a message dated 09/07/02 06:36:03 GMT Daylight Time, jalbert@bellsouth.net writes: We recently did a local TV show, and it is available for web viewing at http://www.louisianajukebox.com/audiovideo.htm . Great little webcast. Next time go ahead Ñ do it naked! }:-D) ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2444 Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 06:58:25 -0700 From: "James W. Yardley" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: arranging or transcribing? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello again, I'm just full of questions this week. Maybe my subconcious is trying to make up for all my lurkiness. Anyways....I have a question about transcribing....or is it arranging? I did a transcription/arrangement of the McCarty Sonata. I wrote it for trombones (originally written for strings). I didn't change the number of measures, and all the pitches are there, just lower, for trombones. I sorta changed some rhythms. I say 'sorta' because the rhythm is still there, just broken into two different parts. So would you say I transcribed this piece or arranged it? I look forward to reading your responses. Take care, James Yardley ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2444 Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 09:33:31 -0500 From: "Jeff Albert" To: , "'Trombones and related issues forum.'" Subject: RE: All quiet on the western front? Message-ID: <000f01c22755$99715500$c9209d42@jeff> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think we are all just sleepy from the warm summer weather. Jeff Albert www.jeffalbert.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu [mailto:owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu] On Behalf Of David Guion Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 7:44 AM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: All quiet on the western front? I have only been getting half a dozen or fewer posts the past few days. That's enough to know I'm not logged off, but not nearly the level of loquaciousness I would normally expect from this group. Is everyone else off at a gig, or am I just not getting everything? -- *^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^* David Guion "When you swim in the sea And an eel bites your knee-- That's a moray!" david@trombone.org *^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^* -- ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2444 Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 09:35:51 -0500 From: "Jeff Albert" To: , "'Trombones and related issues forum.'" Subject: RE: arranging or transcribing? Message-ID: <001001c22755$ed2b3350$c9209d42@jeff> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I saw definitions of this somewhere, but can't remember where. I think if it goes as far as changing the key, it is an arrangement, but I could be wrong. Jeff Albert www.jeffalbert.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu [mailto:owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu] On Behalf Of James W. Yardley Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 8:58 AM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: arranging or transcribing? Hello again, I'm just full of questions this week. Maybe my subconcious is trying to make up for all my lurkiness. Anyways....I have a question about transcribing....or is it arranging? I did a transcription/arrangement of the McCarty Sonata. I wrote it for trombones (originally written for strings). I didn't change the number of measures, and all the pitches are there, just lower, for trombones. I sorta changed some rhythms. I say 'sorta' because the rhythm is still there, just broken into two different parts. So would you say I transcribed this piece or arranged it? I look forward to reading your responses. Take care, James Yardley ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2444 Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 09:50:32 -0500 From: "Jon Moeller" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: arranging or transcribing? Message-ID: <000201c22757$fa488590$680fa8c0@jon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wow, according to my client this reply came before the original post, weir -----Original Message----- From: owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu [mailto:owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu] On Behalf Of Jeff Albert Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 09.36 AM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: RE: arranging or transcribing? I saw definitions of this somewhere, but can't remember where. I think if it goes as far as changing the key, it is an arrangement, but I could be wrong. Jeff Albert www.jeffalbert.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu [mailto:owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu] On Behalf Of James W. Yardley Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 8:58 AM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: arranging or transcribing? Hello again, I'm just full of questions this week. Maybe my subconcious is trying to make up for all my lurkiness. Anyways....I have a question about transcribing....or is it arranging? I did a transcription/arrangement of the McCarty Sonata. I wrote it for trombones (originally written for strings). I didn't change the number of measures, and all the pitches are there, just lower, for trombones. I sorta changed some rhythms. I say 'sorta' because the rhythm is still there, just broken into two different parts. So would you say I transcribed this piece or arranged it? I look forward to reading your responses. Take care, James Yardley ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2444 Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 16:15:48 +0100 From: "Adrian Drover" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: All quiet on the western front? Message-ID: <009f01c2275b$9228f4a0$d8479fd4@homel29g9mgyk9> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Jeff Albert" > I think we are all just sleepy from the warm summer weather. Oh, aren't you lucky. Seems like summer has been cancelled in Scotland this year. A. Adrian Drover ADIOS, Scotland www.adios.co.uk Personal email: adrian@adios.co.uk ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2444 Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 11:21:11 EDT From: SteveInside@aol.com To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: All quiet on the western front? Message-ID: <1a0.4e1f251.2a5c5967@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1a0.4e1f251.2a5c5967_boundary" In a message dated 09/07/02 16:17:33 GMT Daylight Time, slide.rule@adios.co.uk writes: > I think we are all just sleepy from the warm summer weather. Oh, aren't you lucky. Seems like summer has been cancelled in Scotland this year. Not just in Scotland, Adrian... ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2444 Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 10:13:47 -0500 From: "Gary Greenhoe" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: All quiet on the western front? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Adrian, Did your work involve transcribing or arranging something? It's definitely the heat! I'm casually lurking.....and the fourth went quietly out here in never-neverland...the beautiful Kettle Moraine area of Wisconsin...as we watched all of the fireworks displays from a distant Milwaukee and surrounding communities....that's over a 40 mile/60-some kilometer range.....could almost hear TROMBONES! ;-) gary -----Original Message----- From: owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu [mailto:owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu]On Behalf Of Adrian Drover Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 8:15 AM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Re: All quiet on the western front? From: "David Guion" > I have only been getting half a dozen or fewer posts the past few days. That's enough to know I'm not logged off, but not nearly the level of loquaciousness I would normally expect from this group. Is everyone else off at a gig, or am I just not getting everything? Loquaciousness? I just had to look that one up. Doesn't seem to be related to trombonespeak in any way, but my spell checker has it on file. Personally, I welcome the lull. I've managed to get two lengthy scores completed. By the way, I sent a July 4th greeting to the list which seems to have got lost somewhere in digital space. Hope everyone had a good and peaceful one. Cheers David and any other lurkers, A. Adrian Drover ADIOS, Scotland www.adios.co.uk Personal email: adrian@adios.co.uk ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2444 Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 11:28:34 -0400 From: "Aaron Roth" To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: arranging or transcribing? Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Maybe my subconscious will do something productive too.... :P I'm thinking that the change in instrumentation along with a change in key/octave along with any changes in rhythmic executions constitute an arrangement. The same would hold true without the change in instrumentation, if the example of the Circus Bee march being rewritten in a simpler version for younger bands is in fact also an arrangement. I usually hear transcription coming from preparations by ear, too, but that could just be a focused usage in the jazz community, i.e. transcribing the bass solos from the NYTC album. Now, the Arvo Part Fratres for 8 Cellos could be TrAnScRiBeD for 8 trombones, I believe, if no significant changes occur in the parts (other than, of course, removing the harmonics indications). It's be a hard deal to play up there, but an octave transposition would maybe turn it into an arrangement. How's that sound, condition-wise? -Aaron R. Super-Lurker _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2444 Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 12:54:50 -0500 From: "D.J. Kennedy" To: flynn Flynn , joekohanski Cherry , Subject: big news /// sliced bread ///attention bones malone Message-ID: <3D2B236A.D0AF6306@midwest.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i called bill and he is ready to do letterman i already asked bones malone about it down at the itf ---bones said ok cool bill needs a cd to push --------------- this bright idea just hit me after bill mentioned clint eastwood soundtrack he just cut w lennie neihouse -------------------- now dig this idea -!!!!!! clint appears on dave to promo the movie -a simplified score and bill blows the solo as clint walks out !!!!!!!!!!!! ---------- is this a scheme or what !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! in the movie version lindberg and the cowboys do a thing and the 50 bone players in the audience open up and dave and those chicks do the hootchie kootchie iin kitty carlisle outfits [gunsmoke] sliced bread will never be the same --------------------- ok uh maybe have lennie yalk to somebody and do the deal on that end meanwhile nyc contacts ----anybody ?????? ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2444 Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 12:01:06 EDT From: Dslide13@aol.com To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: question, advice Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm sure that many of you here are ITA members. I used to be an active member, but have long since let my membership expire. I think the last year I was really involved was 1991, when I did the Rosolino Scholarship, in Rochester. I have a record out (Maya) on a small label (Nagel Heyer) out of Hamburg, and they have done very little advertising of which I'm aware. I know there was an ad in the May issue of Downbeat, but that has been the extent of it. Surprisingly, the record has done quite well on the US jazz radio chart. That's shocking to have a trombonist/leader on the chart, isn't it?!? It's been in the "top 40" for around 6 weeks. That's just radio play though, not sales. If I'm to get another opportunity to make another record as a leader, I'll have to sell a few, but the label isn't really hooking me up with advertising or performance opportunities. Does anyone here have any thoughts about advertising in the ITA Journal? I tend to think that it would be more productive than advertising in Downbeat...but I don't know. I'm really proud of the music, but without a tour lined up, I'm not selling a ton of records. I'm trying to get a tour lined up, but by then the record will be yesterday's news. I'm lost here......at least the label's doing some things, but I don't have any ideas about the results of their efforts. Advice? Comments? David Gibson ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2444 Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 12:58:32 -0500 From: "D.J. Kennedy" To: "Richard Human, Jr." , "tltltltltltltl forum." Subject: robin eubanks ////jazz corner /// Message-ID: <3D2B2448.4851D01@midwest.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hello richard robin said he tried to sign up for the otj forum but had trouble registering is this cool or what !!!!!!!!??? uuuuhh not if he cant get on it -help !!!!!!!!!!!!!! ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2444 Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 09:08:06 -0700 From: "David Guion" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." , Subject: RE: All quiet on the western front? Message-ID: <200207090908.AA165282126@trombone.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Jeff Albert wrote >I think we are all just sleepy from the warm summer weather. > Except of course for the Australian and New Zealanders who can always be counted on to say how nice and warm it is while most of us in the northern hemisphere are shivering. Icy enough for you now? -- *^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^* David Guion "When you swim in the sea And an eel bites your knee-- That's a moray!" david@trombone.org *^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^* -- ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2444 Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 16:58:50 +0100 From: "Adrian Drover" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: arranging or transcribing? Message-ID: <00b701c22761$977826a0$d8479fd4@homel29g9mgyk9> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "James W. Yardley" > I'm just full of questions this week. Maybe my subconcious is trying to > make up for all my lurkiness. Anyways....I have a question about > transcribing....or is it arranging? I did a transcription/arrangement of > the McCarty Sonata. I wrote it for trombones (originally written for > strings). I didn't change the number of measures, and all the pitches are > there, just lower, for trombones. I sorta changed some rhythms. I say > 'sorta' because the rhythm is still there, just broken into two different > parts. So would you say I transcribed this piece or arranged it? I look > forward to reading your responses. Orchestrating is allotting notes to instruments of the band from a pre-composed sketch. The only thing you need to think about here is instrument ranges. Arranging is deciding on form, keys, phrasing, instrumentation, colour, creating original thematic material for intros, modulations, endings and contrapuntal lines. In this respect, the arranger is a composer too. Transcribing is making dedicated replicas, like from an audio recording when the original score has been lost, or you are too mean to buy the score. Having said that, transcribing is great exercise for the ears. Some people are so good at it that they are able to include mistakes in their score that were made in the original recording. I usually end up trying to improve on the original score, which is probably Editing or bringing up to date. Rewriting a string piece for trombones? If the form, phrasing, harmony &c. are preserved, I would call this Re-orchestrating, even if a different key is used, else it is Arranging, or combination of both. There James, you're no clearer about it now than you were before. Bet you wish you hadn't asked. A. Adrian Drover ADIOS, Scotland www.adios.co.uk Personal email: adrian@adios.co.uk ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2444 Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 11:53:43 -0500 From: "Bill Dinwiddie" To: "List Trombone" Subject: A Crack in the Dam? Message-ID: <003c01c22769$2f375540$5a34f90c@attbi.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In the interests of breaking the July "All Quiet on the Western Front" syndrome: I spotted this article today. Although I'm not particularly interested in upgrading my Pat Boone collection, if enough older albums by good artists were made available, this thing might fly. I would sure like to see Columbia Records do a similar thing with its vast jazz catalog. Any comments? Stay cool. Bill Dinwiddie bill752d@attbi.com ************************************************************** MAJOR LABEL OPENS OLDIES VAULT TO DOWNLOADERS SAN DIEGO (CBS.MW) -- Universal Music has agreed to allow downloads of older albums from its catalog. Subscribers to Emusic.com (http://www.emusic.com/), who pay $10 to $15 a month, will have access to about 1,000 albums from the 1950s, 1960s and 1970s, in MP3 format. Selections from this catalog can be copied to CDs and portable music devices. "It's a baby step (for the music industry)," Phil Leigh, said vice president of technology research at Raymond James & Associates. "It's also no risk for Universal. The artists being offered, such as Aretha Franklin, B.B. King and Pat Boone are not selling. Any revenues Universal gets are found money." This is the reason, he says, that parent Vivendi Universal (V) isn't worried about CD copies being made by downloaders. In light of smaller CD sales over the last two years, Leigh said, "They've decided to go ahead and make a deal with the devil, because in the past they considered the MP3 format to be a creation of Satan. But now it's the only way to get revenue out of this back catalog. Hear Phil Leigh's comments (http://cbs.marketwatch.com/tvradio/playerfull.asp?guid={ACD51C0C-0041-476A- B346-2F0129151ECC}&clip=leigh&type=audio&siteid=mktw&dist=nwtid) .The president of Universal Music Group Elabs said the company's motivation was experimental as well as profit-minded. "Our feeling is people are not going to say, 'Boy, I don't have to buy the CD now,' " said Larry Kenswil. "We'll see what happens." _______________________________________________________________________ ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2444--