TROMBONE-L Digest 2434 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) RE: Cleaning rods by sabutin 2) Re: Friendly Skies Advice? by sabutin 3) Re: Friendly Skies Advice? by Walter Barrett 4) So long...:-( by Earl Needham 5) RE: Alternative Chemicals was Re: Chem Cleans by "Daniel Pliskin" 6) RE: Cleaning rods by "Stephen M Jones" 7) Bye by "Bill Dinwiddie" 8) gun rods by 9) Re: So long...:-( by E P LUKAS 10) RE: So long...:-( by "Dyke, David" 11) FW: Ode to the Ophicleide by "Tom Izzo" 12) Re: Friendly Skies Advice? by lewismm@songs.sce.com 13) Re: FW: Ode to the Ophicleide by Craig Parmerlee 14) RE: FW: Ode to the Ophicleide by "Tom Izzo" 15) Re: chemical cleaning by Earl Needham 16) RE: Cleaning rods by Earl Needham 17) Re: Cleaning rods by "Art Triggs" 18) Re: Ode to the Ophicleide by "Keith Marr" 19) Re: FW: Ode to the Ophicleide by "Daniel Pliskin" 20) Re: Friendly Skies Advice? by emrose79@pacbell.net 21) Re: Friendly Skies Advice? by "Brennan Arceneaux" 22) just got the new arban book by "Jon Moeller" 23) Re: Ode to the Ophicleide by "Adrian Drover" 24) RE: Friendly Skies Advice? by "Jeff Albert" 25) Re: Ode to the Ophicleide by "Adrian Drover" 26) Re: Friendly Skies Advice? by SteveInside@aol.com 27) Re: just got the new arban book by SteveInside@aol.com 28) Re: So long...:-( by "Adrian Drover" 29) Adrian and deposed princesses by "Dr. Carole Nowicke, Applied Health Science" 30) Re: Adrian and deposed princesses by Earl Needham 31) horns for sale... by Neobopr@aol.com 32) Re: TROMBONE-L digest 2433 by Keith Davis ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2434 Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 13:55:00 -0400 From: sabutin To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: RE: Cleaning rods Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Hi Wil, I'm sorry...the only point I was trying to make is that this Slide-o-mix is the first such item I've ever seen that was designed for trombone slides. The MOST important points being: it comes with a very heavy duty full length sock that works tremendously well with the cleaning process. No more looking for a piece of cloth, or whatever to snag on the end. It can be readily removed...or left on the rod wet...with a soapy solution for those emergency fixes at intermission, etc. The other major point....the seemingly sturdy detachable brush that's part of the kit. It is a well thought out design, IMHO..that solves a decades old problem for this slider. gary =============== Yup...I agree. I got one at the ITF this year. Great tool. Best I've ever used for the purpose. Sam ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2434 Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 13:55:03 -0400 From: sabutin To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Friendly Skies Advice? Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" It has been years since I have travelled with my trombone. Flying to Aebersold improv camp via United Airlines this weekend, and am planning to carry my horn aboard. Shires straight 0.525" tenor in a Walt Johnson hard case...not too big at all by trombonist standards. I've read with interest anecdotes from bone-l travellers. Any final advice or helpful hints regarding finessing my way through the post 9-11 gauntlet with the bone case? thank you, Mark Lewis Oceanside, CA. ==================== Yes...don't even try. You used to have about a 99.9% chance of making it on. Now it's down to well below 80%,maybe even lower. Best bet...$100 or so for an SKB golf case. (I'm not sure your Walt Johnson will even fit in one...) If you're going to use a Walt Johnson...or any hard case, in or out of an SKB golf case...and there is the slightest chance you will have to check it, be very sure that the horn fits solidly, w/NO ROOM TO SHIFT WHATSOEVER, inside the hard case. Use bubble wrap, tape, old socks, whatever you can think of. A 1/8th inch shift multiplied by a 15 ft. drop = bell crinkle every time. For those of us w/various trigger systems, this is even worse. At the right angle, the sheer weight and inertia of the trigger system can harm the bell w/no appreciable shift whatsoever. This is why I advocate the strategic use of bubble wrap, especially in several layers all around the bell. Bubble wrap actually absorbs and lessens inertial forces. Best idea for trigger players...if you have a modular horn, figure out a way to bring the trigger system on the plane even if you are forced to check the rest of the horn. Good luck... S. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2434 Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 14:27:31 -0400 From: Walter Barrett To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Friendly Skies Advice? Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Thus spake, not Zarathustra, but lewismm@songs.sce.com... > > It has been years since I have travelled with my trombone. Flying to > Aebersold improv camp via United Airlines this weekend, and am planning to > carry my horn aboard. Shires straight 0.525" tenor in a Walt Johnson hard > case...not too big at all by trombonist standards. > > I've read with interest anecdotes from bone-l travellers. Any final advice > or helpful hints regarding finessing my way through the post 9-11 gauntlet > with the bone case? > > thank you, > > Mark Lewis > Oceanside, CA. > > Get to the airport early. Be polite and courteous, and stay calm in the face of unwavering beaureaucratic indifference. There are more suggestions from the MENC, which can be found in the article section of the OTJ ( www.trombone.org ). Ship it FedEx the day before you leave. Pack it yourself, don't trust it to some HS dropout at Mailboxes, Etc. Before anyone objects to this suggestion, just remember- How do you think your trombone got to the store where you bought it? Thousands of trombones have travelled by truck and not been damaged. Yeah I know it sucks if yours is the one to get creamed, but the odds are in your favor. Pack it good, to keep the odds in your favor... -- Walter Barrett "dont let school get in the way of your edumacation" -d j kennedy Yamaha Artist/Clinician Tenor, Alto, Bass Trombones Euphonium Bass Trumpet Tuba ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2434 Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 12:26:41 -0600 From: Earl Needham To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: So long...:-( Message-ID: <4.2.2.20020627122331.01d14d68@pop3.norton.antivirus> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed As much as I have enjoyed this list, the time is rapidly approaching when I will have to sign off. I'm making a major career change (actually, I'm moving INTO a career instead of what I've been doing!), and I won't be home to use email. I think I'll be able to stay on the list another week or so, and after that I'll be dropping off. It's been great fun, and a lot of information! Earl P.S. I wonder just how long I've been on this list -- perhaps 7 or 8 years or more? Earl Needham, KD5XB, Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk KD5XB-2>APW251,PCSAT-1*:=3425.83N/10313.55W-PHG7150/WinAPRS 2.5.1 -EARL_CLOVIS -251-<630> Did you get a letter from Nigeria offering a "deal"? See http://home.rica.net/alphae/419coal/ and http://www.crimes-of-persuasion.com/Crimes/Business/nigerian.htm ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2434 Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 18:53:18 +0000 From: "Daniel Pliskin" To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: RE: Alternative Chemicals was Re: Chem Cleans Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I blame it on over caffeination, to be sure, but isnāt that sound we all love, the sound of a trombone, played well, created when a considerable amount of crud has accumulated inside a horn. Donāt tell me that all that practicing is some odd form of training or muscle-building. DanP _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2434 Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 15:07:01 -0400 From: "Stephen M Jones" To: "'Gary Greenhoe'" , , "'Trombones and related issues forum.'" Subject: RE: Cleaning rods Message-ID: <000001c21e0d$d2e953b0$d9585582@Hartwell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I found a trip to the Hoppes site very informative (http://www.hoppes.com). More specifically, go to http://www.hoppes.com/brushes_swabs_patches.htm. Whoever thought I'd be going to my local gun shop for trombone supplies. Stephen Jones -----Original Message----- From: Gary Greenhoe [mailto:gary@greenhoe.com] Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 9:23 AM To: wilsalo@charter.net; Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: RE: Cleaning rods Hi Wil, I'm sorry...the only point I was trying to make is that this Slide-o-mix is the first such item I've ever seen that was designed for trombone slides. The MOST important points being: it comes with a very heavy duty full length sock that works tremendously well with the cleaning process. No more looking for a piece of cloth, or whatever to snag on the end. It can be readily removed...or left on the rod wet...with a soapy solution for those emergency fixes at intermission, etc. The other major point....the seemingly sturdy detachable brush that's part of the kit. It is a well thought out design, IMHO..that solves a decades old problem for this slider. gary -----Original Message----- From: owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu [mailto:owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu]On Behalf Of Wil Salo Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 9:02 AM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Cleaning rods The best slide cleaning rod I have ever used is Hoppe's SGU all gauge shotgun cleaning rod which is probably available at most hardware or sporting goods stores at under $10.00. It consists of three aluminum rods about 1/4" diameter and about a foot long, one having a nicely formed plastic handle. The three sections screw together and accept a slotted plastic tip into which you can thread a cleaning swab. Being aluminum, it's light weight and there isn't much chance of the rod damaging the slide. Best of all, it breaks down into a very compact package which can find a home in most cases. I don't know how they are currently packaged, but mine came in a handy zip top plastic bag which forms a good carry case. Wil ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2434 Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 14:31:14 -0500 From: "Bill Dinwiddie" To: "List Trombone" Subject: Bye Message-ID: <001501c21e11$337247c0$5a34f90c@attbi.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Earl, Just want to wish you the very best of luck and good fortune in your new career. I have enjoyed reading your posts. Have you considered getting the Digest, so you can at least read what the rest of us are still arguing about, then drop the occasional line so we know what you are up to? Best regards, Bill Dinwiddie bill752d@attbi.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2434 Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 15:34:04 -0400 From: To: Trombone-L Subject: gun rods Message-ID: Hi All, just a quick note. I know you are all smart enough to know better, but I'm going to err on the side of caution. DO NOT use the nylon or metal brushes supplied with the gun cleaning rods! These are designed with the thick steel gun barrel in mind, not the thin soft brass tubing we use! Also, I prefer using cheesecloth, a piece 6 inches wide and 4-5 feet long. This way you can pull on the cloth and not the rod eliminating the chance of getting the cloth stuck. Thanks Eric Edwards bonearzt@mindspring.com "Just shut up and play!" Thanks Eric Edwards bonearzt@mindspring.com "Just shut up and play!" ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2434 Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 15:11:27 -0500 From: E P LUKAS To: needhame@yucca.net Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: So long...:-( Message-ID: <3D1B716F.9000705@bigfoot.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Earl Needham wrote: As much as I have enjoyed this list, the time is rapidly approaching when I will have to sign off. I'm making a major career change (actually, I'm moving INTO a career instead of what I've been doing!), and I won't be home to use email. GOOD LUCK, Earl. -- Ernie Paul Lukas Memphis, TN ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2434 Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 16:11:13 -0400 From: "Dyke, David" To: "'Trombones and related issues forum.'" Subject: RE: So long...:-( Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" God Bless You Earl ! ~ dave -----Original Message----- From: Earl Needham [mailto:needhame@yucca.net] Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 2:27 PM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: So long...:-( As much as I have enjoyed this list, the time is rapidly approaching when I will have to sign off. I'm making a major career change (actually, I'm moving INTO a career instead of what I've been doing!), and I won't be home to use email. I think I'll be able to stay on the list another week or so, and after that I'll be dropping off. It's been great fun, and a lot of information! Earl P.S. I wonder just how long I've been on this list -- perhaps 7 or 8 years or more? Earl Needham, KD5XB, Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk KD5XB-2>APW251,PCSAT-1*:=3425.83N/10313.55W-PHG7150/WinAPRS 2.5.1 -EARL_CLOVIS -251-<630> Did you get a letter from Nigeria offering a "deal"? See http://home.rica.net/alphae/419coal/ and http://www.crimes-of-persuasion.com/Crimes/Business/nigerian.htm ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2434 Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 17:09:17 -0500 From: "Tom Izzo" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: FW: Ode to the Ophicleide Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----Original Message----- From: Tom Izzo [mailto:jeanvaljean@ntsource.com] Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 5:08 PM To: craig@acticalc.com Subject: RE: Ode to the Ophicleide At 10:47 AM 6/27/2002 -0500, Jeff Albert wrote: >That's beautiful. Do you take requests? > >Jeff Albert > >www.jeffalbert.com It's not my writing. It was one of those anonymous things that comes across the internet. But I could be persuaded to set it to music for the right commission. :) Only if accompanied by 12 Serpents, 16 Anacondas, 8 Serpetts, 4 Worms, and ONE Bagpipe. :-) Tom ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2434 Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 15:28:21 -0700 From: lewismm@songs.sce.com To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Friendly Skies Advice? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Thanks to those few have replied. I am committed, however foolishly, to travelling with my horn as a carry-on. Not shipping UPS, buying a golf case, or entombing in plywood, bubblewrap, frisbees or foam cones. Would appreciate very much hearing from those with recent success carrying aboard a horn. thanks, Mark It has been years since I have travelled with my trombone. Flying to Aebersold improv camp via United Airlines this weekend, and am planning to carry my horn aboard. Shires straight 0.525" tenor in a Walt Johnson hard case...not too big at all by trombonist standards. I've read with interest anecdotes from bone-l travellers. Any final advice or helpful hints regarding finessing my way through the post 9-11 gauntlet with the bone case? thank you, Mark Lewis Oceanside, CA. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2434 Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 17:43:37 -0500 From: Craig Parmerlee To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: FW: Ode to the Ophicleide Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20020627174229.02043f58@acticalc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 05:09 PM 6/27/2002 -0500, Tom Izzo wrote: Only if accompanied by 12 Serpents, 16 Anacondas, 8 Serpetts, 4 Worms, and ONE Bagpipe. :-) Bagpipe? Have you lost your mind, man? :) ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2434 Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 17:53:08 -0500 From: "Tom Izzo" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: FW: Ode to the Ophicleide Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hahahahahahah No Craig, READ MY LIPS. You'll notice I said ***16*** Anacondas. You know there are only 2, piece ain't gonna happen. :-) Tom -----Original Message----- From: owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu [mailto:owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu]On Behalf Of Craig Parmerlee Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 5:44 PM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Re: FW: Ode to the Ophicleide At 05:09 PM 6/27/2002 -0500, Tom Izzo wrote: >Only if accompanied by 12 Serpents, 16 Anacondas, 8 Serpetts, 4 Worms, and >ONE Bagpipe. >:-) Bagpipe? Have you lost your mind, man? :) ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2434 Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 17:19:37 -0600 From: Earl Needham To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: chemical cleaning Message-ID: <4.2.2.20020627171902.01cf4580@pop3.norton.antivirus> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 12:28 PM 6/27/2002 -0400, Paul D. Kemp, Jr. wrote: I have a long nylon bristle brush the length of a slide tube that I use to scrub out the outer tubes after I fill them with lukewarm water. Where'd you get it? I know I've never seen one... Earl Earl Needham, KD5XB, Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk KD5XB-2>APW251,PCSAT-1*:=3425.83N/10313.55W-PHG7150/WinAPRS 2.5.1 -EARL_CLOVIS -251-<630> Did you get a letter from Nigeria offering a "deal"? See http://home.rica.net/alphae/419coal/ and http://www.crimes-of-persuasion.com/Crimes/Business/nigerian.htm ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2434 Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 17:21:42 -0600 From: Earl Needham To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: RE: Cleaning rods Message-ID: <4.2.2.20020627172046.01cf4580@pop3.norton.antivirus> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 03:07 PM 6/27/2002 -0400, Stephen M Jones wrote: I found a trip to the Hoppes site very informative (http://www.hoppes.com). More specifically, go to http://www.hoppes.com/brushes_swabs_patches.htm. Whoever thought I'd be going to my local gun shop for trombone supplies. Hey, this is a natural! Just be sure to avoid the BRASS brushes that are sold to clean out chambers and difficult fouling in a gun barrel -- the brass is WAY too hard. And don'cha just LOVE the aroma of Hoppe's #9!!! Earl Earl Needham, KD5XB, Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk KD5XB-2>APW251,PCSAT-1*:=3425.83N/10313.55W-PHG7150/WinAPRS 2.5.1 -EARL_CLOVIS -251-<630> Did you get a letter from Nigeria offering a "deal"? See http://home.rica.net/alphae/419coal/ and http://www.crimes-of-persuasion.com/Crimes/Business/nigerian.htm ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2434 Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 19:53:08 -0400 From: "Art Triggs" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Cleaning rods Message-ID: <010201c21e35$ca950920$f6a315ac@taz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit mmmmmmmmmm, yummy, that's still one of the best......like it better than valve oil........ Good luck on your move Art Triggs ----- Original Message ----- From: "Earl Needham" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 7:21 PM Subject: RE: Cleaning rods > At 03:07 PM 6/27/2002 -0400, Stephen M Jones wrote: > >I found a trip to the Hoppes site very informative > >(http://www.hoppes.com). More specifically, go to > >http://www.hoppes.com/brushes_swabs_patches.htm. Whoever thought I'd be > >going to my local gun shop for trombone supplies. > > Hey, this is a natural! Just be sure to avoid the BRASS brushes > that are sold to clean out chambers and difficult fouling in a gun barrel > -- the brass is WAY too hard. > > And don'cha just LOVE the aroma of Hoppe's #9!!! > > Earl > > > Earl Needham, KD5XB, Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk > KD5XB-2>APW251,PCSAT-1*:=3425.83N/10313.55W-PHG7150/WinAPRS 2.5.1 > -EARL_CLOVIS -251-<630> > Did you get a letter from Nigeria offering a "deal"? See > http://home.rica.net/alphae/419coal/ and > http://www.crimes-of-persuasion.com/Crimes/Business/nigerian.htm > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2434 Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 01:26:58 +0100 From: "Keith Marr" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Ode to the Ophicleide Message-ID: <006301c21e3a$847cc0e0$a13e86d9@Steelman> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Heckelphone? Isn't that when the neighbours call you to tell you to stop practising? Keith in Bb/F/D ----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig Parmerlee" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 4:40 PM Subject: Ode to the Ophicleide > I nominate the Heckelphone (saxophone?) > To be the next one banished ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2434 Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 01:00:15 +0000 From: "Daniel Pliskin" To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: FW: Ode to the Ophicleide Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed At 05:09 PM 6/27/2002 -0500, Tom Izzo wrote: Only if accompanied by 12 Serpents, 16 Anacondas, 8 Serpetts, 4 Worms, and ONE Bagpipe. :-) Bagpipe? Have you lost your mind, man? :) At least it was "bagpipe" (singular). DanP _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2434 Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 20:42:36 -0700 From: emrose79@pacbell.net Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Friendly Skies Advice? Message-ID: <3D1BDB2C.3955EE3A@pacbell.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT yes, indeed!..when WW&BW shipped my nice new besson to me, they didn't pack anything inside, and with 1/8 or less of movement....yep!...2 crinkles!.....(they cut $200 of, and it didn't affect they sound-I think- but still....) Ed sabutin wrote: > > > > ==================== > > > > A 1/8th inch shift multiplied by a > 15 ft. drop = bell crinkle every time. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2434 Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 00:49:06 -0500 From: "Brennan Arceneaux" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Friendly Skies Advice? Message-ID: <008801c21e67$84b64e00$0ea1cdd1@computer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Not-so-foolish. I carried my Bach 42 in a pro-tec case right on board at the New Orleans airport, on Christmas Day this past year, and then again at the Atlanta airport 3 days later. Both times, "No problem." They didnt even open the case. Saw on the X-ray that it was a horn and passed it along. Though I should have planned for something safer, just in case they wouldn't let me carry it, but luck was on my side (except for missing my return flight because of the lines and thus hanging out in ATL all day...). Consequently, that trip to my dad's house for the holidays was where I learned most of the Berio for my recital in May. I'm sure that made the trip um.. different from what he expected. "This is what we pay for college for?" hehe Brennan ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 5:28 PM Subject: Re: Friendly Skies Advice? > Thanks to those few have replied. > > I am committed, however foolishly, to travelling with my horn as a > carry-on. Not shipping UPS, buying a golf case, or entombing in plywood, > bubblewrap, frisbees or foam cones. > > Would appreciate very much hearing from those with recent success carrying > aboard a horn. > > thanks, > > Mark > > > > > > It has been years since I have travelled with my trombone. Flying to > Aebersold improv camp via United Airlines this weekend, and am planning to > carry my horn aboard. Shires straight 0.525" tenor in a Walt Johnson hard > case...not too big at all by trombonist standards. > > I've read with interest anecdotes from bone-l travellers. Any final advice > or helpful hints regarding finessing my way through the post 9-11 gauntlet > with the bone case? > > thank you, > > Mark Lewis > Oceanside, CA. > > > > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2434 Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 01:26:46 -0500 From: "Jon Moeller" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: just got the new arban book Message-ID: <001801c21e6c$c7995050$670fa8c0@jon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0015_01C21E42.DE754F60" i ordered it yesterday, showed up on my doorstep at 7:45, with "2-day air" shipping from hickeys its a great book, i would recommend it to anyone ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2434 Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 09:03:34 +0100 From: "Adrian Drover" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Ode to the Ophicleide Message-ID: <003d01c21e7a$8a1f36a0$d8479fd4@homel29g9mgyk9> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Craig Parmerlee" > It's not my writing. It was one of those anonymous things that comes > across the internet. > > But I could be persuaded to set it to music for the right commission. :) But only if it is scored for ophicleid and serpent choir. A. Adrian Drover ADIOS, Scotland www.adios.co.uk Personal email: adrian@adios.co.uk ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2434 Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 03:41:28 -0500 From: "Jeff Albert" To: , "'Trombones and related issues forum.'" Subject: RE: Friendly Skies Advice? Message-ID: <009b01c21e7f$98c4a820$82269d42@jeff> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That's the beauty of the Walt Johnson. It is custom built for absolutely no wiggle room. I would trust mine checked, although last time I flew with it I had no problem carrying it on. It was a series of flights from New Orleans to the Caribbean and back in December. Jeff Albert www.jeffalbert.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu [mailto:owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu] On Behalf Of sabutin Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 12:55 PM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Re: Friendly Skies Advice? >It has been years since I have travelled with my trombone. Flying to >Aebersold improv camp via United Airlines this weekend, and am planning to >carry my horn aboard. Shires straight 0.525" tenor in a Walt Johnson hard >case...not too big at all by trombonist standards. > >I've read with interest anecdotes from bone-l travellers. Any final advice >or helpful hints regarding finessing my way through the post 9-11 gauntlet >with the bone case? > >thank you, > >Mark Lewis >Oceanside, CA. ==================== Yes...don't even try. You used to have about a 99.9% chance of making it on. Now it's down to well below 80%,maybe even lower. Best bet...$100 or so for an SKB golf case. (I'm not sure your Walt Johnson will even fit in one...) If you're going to use a Walt Johnson...or any hard case, in or out of an SKB golf case...and there is the slightest chance you will have to check it, be very sure that the horn fits solidly, w/NO ROOM TO SHIFT WHATSOEVER, inside the hard case. Use bubble wrap, tape, old socks, whatever you can think of. A 1/8th inch shift multiplied by a 15 ft. drop = bell crinkle every time. For those of us w/various trigger systems, this is even worse. At the right angle, the sheer weight and inertia of the trigger system can harm the bell w/no appreciable shift whatsoever. This is why I advocate the strategic use of bubble wrap, especially in several layers all around the bell. Bubble wrap actually absorbs and lessens inertial forces. Best idea for trigger players...if you have a modular horn, figure out a way to bring the trigger system on the plane even if you are forced to check the rest of the horn. Good luck... S. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2434 Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 09:30:02 +0100 From: "Adrian Drover" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Ode to the Ophicleide Message-ID: <007d01c21e80$25875af0$d8479fd4@homel29g9mgyk9> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Tom Izzo" > Only if accompanied by 12 Serpents, 16 Anacondas, 8 Serpetts, 4 Worms, and > ONE Bagpipe. Tom, is this the orchestration or the story line for a new horror movie? You may have to cut the bagpipe, unless it's not shown on TV before 10pm. By the way, what's your instrument hire fee? A. Adrian Drover ADIOS, Scotland www.adios.co.uk Personal email: adrian@adios.co.uk ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2434 Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 05:02:57 EDT From: SteveInside@aol.com To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Friendly Skies Advice? Message-ID: <15f.fe349a0.2a4d8041@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_15f.fe349a0.2a4d8041_boundary" I thank my lucky stars I don't play cello or d/bass or something. I regularly see cellists having to buy two tickets for train journeys just to be allowed to carry their instrument on board. And I've seen them refused entry to buses. Over here, the MU has fought (and I think failed) a campaign to get the transport companies to see musicians as a special case (sorry for the pun). Rant over. Steve C ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2434 Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 06:10:41 EDT From: SteveInside@aol.com To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: just got the new arban book Message-ID: <151.10038f60.2a4d9021@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_151.10038f60.2a4d9021_boundary" In a message dated 28/06/02 07:27:59 GMT Daylight Time, mole2k4@attbi.com writes: i ordered it yesterday, showed up on my doorstep at 7:45, with "2-day air" shipping from hickeys its a great book, i would recommend it to anyone Jon, is this the Complete Method for Trombone and Euphonium Arban or one of the smaller study books? Steve C ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2434 Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 13:55:00 +0100 From: "Adrian Drover" To: "Earl Needham" , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: So long...:-( Message-ID: <000001c21eaa$8420c950$d8479fd4@homel29g9mgyk9> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Earl Needham" > I think I'll be able to stay on the list another week or so, and after > that I'll be dropping off. Better put a mattress under your computer chair to save you getting hurt. Seriously tho' Earl, I'll miss your input. Don't go joining any bagpipe list now, and if you get any emails from deposed Nigerian princesses, ask them to send the $$$ up front, in a brown envelope addressed to the bank of Roswell (alien division). Cheers, A. Adrian Drover ADIOS, Scotland www.adios.co.uk Personal email: adrian@adios.co.uk ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2434 Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 09:09:18 -0500 (EST) From: "Dr. Carole Nowicke, Applied Health Science" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Adrian and deposed princesses Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 28 Jun 2002, Adrian Drover wrote: > list now, and if you get any emails from deposed Nigerian princesses, ask > them to send the $$$ up front, in a brown envelope addressed to the bank of > Roswell (alien division). The latest version to infest my inbox (in charmingly fractured English) is of a poor Nigerian lass who was led astray by an American Engineer (the rake) who got her with child, earned a lot of money and died intestate. Now with the assistance of you and your bank account, she would be able to challenge his US relations for the money and her child would not have to go to an orphanage... an orphanage... sob... Carole cnowicke@indiana.edu ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2434 Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 08:22:46 -0600 From: Earl Needham To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Adrian and deposed princesses Message-ID: <4.2.2.20020628082125.00fdfa48@pop3.norton.antivirus> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I got the same one. After reporting it to 419.fcd@usss.treas.gov (I believe that's the Secret Service, and they WANT those reports), I then turned around and reported it to the ISPs involved via SpamCop.net. Hopefully the ISP admins got the idea and terminated the account. Earl At 09:09 AM 6/28/2002 -0500, Dr. Carole Nowicke, Applied Health Science wrote: On Fri, 28 Jun 2002, Adrian Drover wrote: > list now, and if you get any emails from deposed Nigerian princesses, ask > them to send the $$$ up front, in a brown envelope addressed to the bank of > Roswell (alien division). The latest version to infest my inbox (in charmingly fractured English) is of a poor Nigerian lass who was led astray by an American Engineer (the rake) who got her with child, earned a lot of money and died intestate. Now with the assistance of you and your bank account, she would be able to challenge his US relations for the money and her child would not have to go to an orphanage... an orphanage... sob... Carole cnowicke@indiana.edu ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2434 Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 10:26:13 -0400 From: Neobopr@aol.com To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu, trombonecentral@yahoogroups.com, jjlist@yahoogroups.com Subject: horns for sale... Message-ID: <18F2367E.197C44C7.0018B5F9@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello everyone, This has been a crazy year for me, both touring and personally and I apologize for not keeping up with the list as I used to. Hopefully August will bring me some rest and opportunity to chime in here and there. Anyway, I have two horns for sale on ebay. Both auctions end Saturday. My bass bone which I've altered to be a Bb/F/D/B (further expl. on ebay): http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=889376652&ssPageName=ADME:B:DS:US:3 And the .547 bore YSL-682b which I used to record my Rochut double-disc set.: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=889376075&ssPageName=ADME:B:DS:US:3 98% of the calls for work I get outside of the Military are commercial gigs, and the other 2% can be handled on a .525 with an F attachment. Unfortunately these horns have spent the greater part of their lives in the closet. I'm of the mind set that if it is gathering dust and someone else might be able to use them more, then why waste my closet space? If any of you happens to be interested, and they don't sell thru ebay, just let me know and we'll see if we can strike a deal. I look forward to hearing from you! Jeff Adams A Yamaha Artist/Clinician ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2434 Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 10:30:07 -0400 From: Keith Davis To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: TROMBONE-L digest 2433 Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020628102700.00a48270@mail.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Gary you wrote: BTW, I picked up a really neat cleaning rod at the ITF from Rayburn in Boston. It has a terry cloth outer tube that is removable... I used my wife's sewing machine to make a terry cloth cover for my standard cleaning rod. I use an old towel it cost me nothing. It's nice to use to swab out the inside of the inner slide -- just need to use great caution. Yes, lead pipe damage is a worry, so I made sure it's not a tight fit, but just enough to soak up the spit and potato chips :0 ) ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2434--