TROMBONE-L Digest 2431 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Lawler Brass by "Fred Hudson" 2) Re: Music Theory Humor by "Adrian Drover" 3) RE: Peter Phillips - Speak Like a Child by richardt@LEE.ARMY.MIL 4) RE: chemical cleaning by richardt@LEE.ARMY.MIL 5) RE: chemical cleaning by "Bill Redgate" 6) Thoughts on Thayer by "Jason Akai" 7) RE: chemical cleaning by "Daniel Pliskin" 8) RE: Peter Phillips - Speak Like a Child by "Tom Izzo" 9) Re:Chemical cleaning by "Denny Seifried" 10) Re: Chem cleans by "Joe L. Norcross" 11) Re: Trombone websites by "J L Jensen" 12) Re: Inquiry for a student by "J L Jensen" 13) RE: Trombone websites & blatant self-promotion by "Jeff Albert" 14) Re: Lawler Brass by "William Huber" 15) Re:Chemical cleaning by "Denny Seifried" 16) Greenhoe Company by "Anders Carlsson" 17) Re: chemical cleaning by David Buckley 18) RE: Greenhoe Company by Steve Gamble 19) Re: chemical cleaning by "Adrian Drover" ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2431 Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 12:26:39 -0500 From: "Fred Hudson" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Lawler Brass Message-ID: <001601c21ba4$530f66e0$f285fea9@s0024172501> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Try www.lawlertrumpets.com Fred H ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Marr" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 11:14 AM Subject: Lawler Brass > Has anyone tried locating Lawler Brass recently? > > www.lawlerbrass.com > > I keep getting something called WholesaleTraffic.net whenever I try this > URL. > > Wosgoinon!! > > Keith in Bb/F/D > > > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2431 Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 18:41:01 +0100 From: "Adrian Drover" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Music Theory Humor Message-ID: <004701c21ba6$9cca7430$d8479fd4@homel29g9mgyk9> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Chris Waage" > YOU MAY BE A MUSIC THEORY GEEK IF . . . Chris, you lost me on everything past dominant seventh. A. Adrian Drover ADIOS, Scotland www.adios.co.uk Personal email: adrian@adios.co.uk ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2431 Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 14:29:38 -0400 From: richardt@LEE.ARMY.MIL To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: RE: Peter Phillips - Speak Like a Child Message-ID: <81F62454EA21B94EA95517180D7303730243FBA0@lee-is-102.lee.army.mil> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C21BAD.190BA180" Hey, That's the same guy who coaches basketball at Michigan State when Tom Izzo has a gig! -----Original Message----- From: Gabriel Langfur [mailto:glangfur@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 12:02 PM To: ellard@sprint.ca; Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Re: Peter Phillips - Speak Like a Child I can't imagine it's the same guy, but Peter Phillips is a renaissance scholar and the music director of The Tallis Scholars, a British 10-voice (usually) a capella vocal group that is one of the very best Renaissance vocal ensembles in the world. Wouldn't it be great if he is the same guy though! Gabe --- Rod Ellard wrote: > I was listening to a couple of cuts of Herbie Hancock's > "Speak Like a Child" > this afternoon. Peter Phillips plays bass trombone on > it. > > Does anyone know anything about Mr. Phillips? His name > doesn't appear > anywhere else in the 1,300+ pages of my Penguin jazz > guide. > > Rod > > ===== ----------- Any noise that is unrelenting eventually becomes music. - Paula Carino __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2431 Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 14:33:39 -0400 From: richardt@LEE.ARMY.MIL To: slide.rule@adios.co.uk, joetuba@lightspeed.net, trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: RE: chemical cleaning Message-ID: <81F62454EA21B94EA95517180D7303730243FBA1@lee-is-102.lee.army.mil> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C21BAD.A904C730" That's what the quadraslide is for - fits in the standard dishwasher. Seriously, why in the world would you want to chemical clean a horn? Isn't soap and water good enough?Ê I can see using harsher measures if there are 1) intricate tubing loops you can't reach AND 2) getting the last scrap of dirt out is critical. But neither of those would seem to be true. The trombone is comparatively easy to clean.Ê Do you really think it does any good?Ê -----Original Message----- From: Adrian Drover [mailto:slide.rule@adios.co.uk] Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 4:29 AM To: Joe L. Norcross; Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Re: chemical cleaning From: "Joe L. Norcross" > For routine maintenance I use dishwashing soap and a > trombone cleaning rod.Ê I'm having a problem getting my horn inside the dish washer. A. Adrian Drover ADIOS, Scotland www.adios.co.uk Personal email: adrian@adios.co.uk ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2431 Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 17:48:56 -0400 From: "Bill Redgate" To: Cc: "Post to Trombone List" Subject: RE: chemical cleaning Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01C21BA7.69B2A940" -----Original Message----- From: owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu [mailto:owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu]On Behalf Of richardt@LEE.ARMY.MIL Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 14:34 To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: RE: chemical cleaning That's what the quadraslide is for - fits in the standard dishwasher. Seriously, why in the world would you want to chemical clean a horn? Isn't soap and water good enough?Ê I can see using harsher measures if there are 1) intricate tubing loops you can't reach AND 2) getting the last scrap of dirt out is critical. But neither of those would seem to be true. The trombone is comparatively easy to clean.Ê Do you really think it does any good?ÊÊÊ Yes I do! IÊstood next to John Upchurch one day while he chemical cleaned my horn - and I was almost alarmed the mung and "Accumulated Filth" (Great name for a Rock band no?) that came out of thatÊthing. I'm pretty fastidious about my horns - I don't even eat within two hours of playing - just trying toÊKEEP them clean - on the "Ounce of Prevention"Ê Principle. The primordial OOZE that came out of that thing had me shocked. Chemical cleaning IS effective. That being said, I have an unsubstantiated feeling that doing it frequently would be detrimental. But it sure helps when you do it occasionally. To the lister who started this whole thing..... Go to http://www.slidedr.com/Ê- that's Mr. Upchurch's website. He has everything one could imagine on there about cleaning slides. And if it's not on there - write to him. Of course you could just send your slide off to him - believe me , he does a great job. And no I am not "shilling" for him - I just admire and respect the work he does. Bill Redgate ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2431 Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 21:51:57 +0000 From: "Jason Akai" To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Thoughts on Thayer Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Hey guys I am currently awaiting my first bottle of binak oil, and have flushed the outer slide of my horn with wright's polish as suggested by Slide Dr. I found out this horn was actually put together by Gary Greenhoe, and that he tested it pretty throughly for leaks and such - which of course makes the whole "taking it apart" thing sound much scarier. Of course I am a computer guy, and this is what I do - take things apart I dont know anything about and try to put the back together. I think I will eventually take it apart, but right now oiling the inside with standard crappy slide oil is making all the difference. Thanks for the advice Jas _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2431 Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 22:14:22 +0000 From: "Daniel Pliskin" To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: RE: chemical cleaning Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I can see using harsher measures if there are 1) intricate tubing loops you can't reach AND 2) getting the last scrap of dirt out is critical. Do you really think it does any good? In theory, anyway, acid cleaning a trombone will remove mineral deposits that wonât easily wash off or polish out. I guess I just havenât run across any trombone that had that problem. DanP _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2431 Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 18:32:49 -0500 From: "Tom Izzo" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: Peter Phillips - Speak Like a Child Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000C_01C21BAD.8B42ACD0" hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah OK Tim! Thanks Tom (the REAL ONE & THE original) Izzo -----Original Message----- From: owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu [mailto:owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu]On Behalf Of richardt@LEE.ARMY.MIL Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 1:30 PM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: RE: Peter Phillips - Speak Like a Child Hey, That's the same guy who coaches basketball at Michigan State when Tom Izzo has a gig! -----Original Message----- From: Gabriel Langfur [mailto:glangfur@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 12:02 PM To: ellard@sprint.ca; Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Re: Peter Phillips - Speak Like a Child I can't imagine it's the same guy, but Peter Phillips is a renaissance scholar and the music director of The Tallis Scholars, a British 10-voice (usually) a capella vocal group that is one of the very best Renaissance vocal ensembles in the world. Wouldn't it be great if he is the same guy though! Gabe --- Rod Ellard wrote: > I was listening to a couple of cuts of Herbie Hancock's > "Speak Like a Child" > this afternoon. Peter Phillips plays bass trombone on > it. > > Does anyone know anything about Mr. Phillips? His name > doesn't appear > anywhere else in the 1,300+ pages of my Penguin jazz > guide. > > Rod > > ===== ----------- Any noise that is unrelenting eventually becomes music. - Paula Carino __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2431 Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 19:49:51 -0400 From: "Denny Seifried" To: "Trombone List" Subject: Re:Chemical cleaning Message-ID: <003101c21bd9$d57d5850$e25e5acf@seifriedcomp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I happened to attend John Upchurch's slide clinic at ITF2002 last month and this is how he showed us to do a chemical clean of the outer slide: He advocates a 50% H2O + 50% mixture of muratic acid and he also works with safety goggles, apron, a funnel, and rubber industrial style gloves. I would recommend doing this outside---and if any acid spills on any fabric---kiss it goodbye. He sets a kitchen timer for 8 minutes and lets the solution of acid/water soak in the slide. He highly recommends the timer and do not get distracted and forget the acid/water mix in your slide. He poured the acid/water back into a bottle---we didn't have a tub or drain in the masterclass room at UNT--so I don't know how he handles the used acid at his home. He, then, proceeds with the Wright's Brass Polish routine, as outlined on his web-page. Muratic acid is very toxic, along with the fumes from it--treat it just like battery acid---as one drop on your clothes will cause a growing hole in your shirt or pants, every time it hits the laundry. Denny Seifried Bass Trombone-Springfield (OH) Symphony & Dayton Jazz Orchestra Adjunct Trombone-Wittenberg Univ. Dept. of Music ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2431 Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 17:14:40 -0700 From: "Joe L. Norcross" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Chem cleans Message-ID: <004901c21bdd$4de3eae0$b8e0f7a5@computer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have never given my bass bone a chemical bath in 15 years. a periodic cleaning with a rod and it still works wonderful. I might someday have it chemically cleaned but never more than once a year if that often, not two or three time a year Joe L. Norcross Tuba: Visalia CA Sequoia Winds Bass Trombone: Clovis CA Community Band Tuba and Announcer: Kingsburg CA City Band joetuba@lightspeed.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edwards Eric, Leandra, Sara & Jared" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 4:32 AM Subject: Chem cleans > Hi All, If you are so inclined as to try to acid bath your horn at home, > here are a few suggestions. > 1. Don't try this at home! > 2.Cut the acid to at the most a 10% to 15% mixture, and like Earl said add > the acid to the water. > 3.Don't leave it soaking for more than 2-3 minutes and then rinse thoroughly > with fresh water inside and out. > 4.Don't try this at home! > Don't be too surprised if on an older horn the lacquer starts to flake. > I do believe that horns need to be thoroughly cleaned by a chemical or acid > bath, but not more than 2 or 3 times a year. > If you just give it a bath in the bath tub once a month with some Dawn dish > soap, this will be enough to get all the potato chips, soda, beer and > whatnot out of your horn. > It is really important to remove this stuff, if not, it will tend to help > increase the corrosion that eats through the tubes. Especially leadpipes and > crooks where the water collects. > I'd be happy to talk to anyone that might have any questions about this. > > Thanks > Eric Edwards > bonearzt@mindspring.com > 972.221.9054 > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2431 Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 20:27:11 -0400 From: "J L Jensen" To: "Keith Marr" , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Trombone websites Message-ID: <005301c21bdf$0cd46be0$333c2c42@jljbone> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0050_01C21BBD.850A2A40" Thanks for the opportunity to mention my web site...it is: http://www.dcjazz.com/johnjensen Heck, coincidentally you can even buy a CD through it! Who would'a thought? Regards, John Jensen ----- Original Message ----- From: Keith Marr To: Trombones and related issues forum. Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 10:26 AM Subject: Trombone websites I had a terrific list of trombone websites up until two weeks ago. My hard disk crashed and I had to have a new one fitted. Guess what! I didn't have my Explorer Favourites backed up onto disk! So I am now trying to remember them all. So far I've got Doug Yeo, Joe Alessi, Bert van Dijk, Nicholas Eastop and Christian Lindberg. I would appreciate some memory jogging for the others. I had about 30 websites for personalities and about the same again for Manufacturers, dealers and services. In addition I had a few local orchestras, brass bands and big bands from the area I live in here in UK. This is a terrific list and I just know I'll get lots of help. Thanks in anticipation. . . . and I'll make a point of backing up regularly this time! Cheers! Keith ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2431 Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 21:02:40 -0400 From: "J L Jensen" To: "Paul D. Kemp, Jr." , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Inquiry for a student Message-ID: <007501c21be4$01cb7680$333c2c42@jljbone> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0072_01C21BC2.7A0134E0" Seconding what Paul said about Tom Gibson...fine player and dedicated educator. Check out his web site www.trombonelessons.com John Jensen jljbone@erols.com http://www.dcjazz.com/johnjensen ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul D. Kemp, Jr. To: Trombones and related issues forum. Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 4:49 PM Subject: Re: Inquiry for a student Dean, I don't know anything about N. Ga College, but I do know Tom Gibson, and he is the coordinator for the brass department there at Georgia State right in downtown Atlanta. It is a small school, and Tom is a good guy, a very good player, and I wouldn't hesitate to send any of my students down to study with him. And, he happens to frequent the T-bone list. Give him a shout. Paul Kemp Chattanooga Symphony www.trbnplyr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dean McCarty" <bassbone@exp.net> To: "Trombones and related issues forum." <trombone-l@po.missouri.edu> Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 8:28 AM Subject: Inquiry for a student > A student of mine is looking at a small college outside of Atlanta, GA - > North Georgia College... does anyone know anything about it? > > Thanks, > Dean McCarty > freelance trombonist, Houston area > > > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2431 Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 21:30:31 -0500 From: "Jeff Albert" To: , "'Trombones and related issues forum.'" Subject: RE: Trombone websites & blatant self-promotion Message-ID: <000e01c21bf0$473d35d0$82269d42@jeff> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I would like to thank John for sending this thread in a direction that also allows me to put in the old website/cd plug. It is http://www.jeffalbert.com, and the page that points to the cd ordering (if you want to cut to the chase) is http://www.lakefrontdigital.com/aap.htm. :) Jeff Albert www.jeffalbert.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu [mailto:owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu] On Behalf Of J L Jensen Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 7:27 PM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Re: Trombone websites Thanks for the opportunity to mention my web site...it is: http://www.dcjazz.com/johnjensen Heck, coincidentally you can even buy a CD through it! Who would'a thought? Regards, John Jensen ----- Original Message ----- From: Keith Marr To: Trombones and related issues forum. Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 10:26 AM Subject: Trombone websites I had a terrific list of trombone websites up until two weeks ago. My hard disk crashed and I had to have a new one fitted. Guess what! I didn't have my Explorer Favourites backed up onto disk! So I am now trying to remember them all. Ê So far I've got Doug Yeo, Joe Alessi, Bert van Dijk, Nicholas Eastop and Christian Lindberg. I would appreciate some memory jogging for the others. I had about 30 websites for personalities and about the same again for Manufacturers, dealers and services. In addition I had a few local orchestras, brass bands and big bands from the area I live in here in UK. Ê This is a terrific list and I just know I'll get lots of help. Thanks in anticipation. Ê . . . and I'll make a point of backing up regularly this time! Ê Cheers! Ê Keith ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2431 Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 22:48:01 -0500 From: "William Huber" To: "trombone-l" Cc: mail@gothicway.fsnet.co.uk Subject: Re: Lawler Brass Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Keith Marr wrote: > Has anyone tried locating Lawler Brass recently? > > www.lawlerbrass.com > > I keep getting something called WholesaleTraffic.net whenever I try this > URL. > > Wosgoinon!! > > Keith in Bb/F/D Dear Keith, For reasons unknown, Roy took down his web site. I wish it were still up, myself, for I enjoy looking at pictures of trombones. (Now that's high art!) As has been mentioned recently, he's findable by telephone under "Florida Brass Instruments" in Longwood, FL. Cheers, Bill in Nashville ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2431 Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 01:04:33 -0400 From: "Denny Seifried" To: "Trombone List" Subject: Re:Chemical cleaning Message-ID: <00b901c21c05$cc6c50a0$e25e5acf@seifriedcomp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I left out a critical step in the slide cleaning with muratic acid: When the acid is removed from the slide---be sure to rinse the slide very well with water--to flush away any acid still in the outer slide. Denny Seifried ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2431 Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 10:19:51 +0200 From: "Anders Carlsson" To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Greenhoe Company Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Have to send this again as it didn't go through. ----------------------------------- Just want to send out some official praise of the Greenhoe company. Wednesday last week, June 19 (Juneteenth, I know Gary), I ordered a brace from their website. A few hours later I got a confirmation mail that said that it was going to be sent on Friday June 21. Today, monday 24, I got it in my mailbox. From Jackson WI to Gothenburg Sweden over the weekend. (If you're not sure how far apart we are, look it up). Really impressive. How it works? A band I play in are going to a major European festival (http://www.ibbf.fi/) to play two days next week and then some other gigs in Sweden on our way back, so I'll get to you after field testing. /Anders Carlsson Gothenburg Sweden ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2431 Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 09:35:50 -0400 From: David Buckley To: richardt@LEE.ARMY.MIL Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: chemical cleaning Message-ID: <3D1871B5.13B92F2F@sympatico.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------7D5394200EA63195578ED9FC" Deposits from the water will accumulate on your slide and will periodically require chemical cleaning. I use distilled water to reduce this but about every couple of years a cleaning improves the slide action. I use Ron Partch in Toronto, one of the world's best repair guys. Dave Buckley. richardt@LEE.ARMY.MIL wrote: That's what the quadraslide is for - fits in the standard dishwasher. Seriously, why in the world would you want to chemical clean a horn? Isn't soap and water good enough? I can see using harsher measures if there are 1) intricate tubing loops you can't reach AND 2) getting the last scrap of dirt out is critical. But neither of those would seem to be true. The trombone is comparatively easy to clean. Do you really think it does any good? -----Original Message----- From: Adrian Drover [mailto:slide.rule@adios.co.uk] Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 4:29 AM To: Joe L. Norcross; Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Re: chemical cleaning From: "Joe L. Norcross" > For routine maintenance I use dishwashing soap and a > trombone cleaning rod. I'm having a problem getting my horn inside the dish washer. A. Adrian Drover ADIOS, Scotland www.adios.co.uk Personal email: adrian@adios.co.uk ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2431 Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 06:54:05 -0700 From: Steve Gamble To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: Greenhoe Company Message-ID: <01C21C15.19CAB080.sgamble@tucsonsymphony.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings Everyone, As we eagerly await Anders' review, I thought I'd throw in a few comments. I've been using The Brace since last Summer, when I put one on my bass trombone (Bach) for my tour of duty with the Tucson Pops Orchestra (yes little ol' Tucson has a professional pops orchestra!). It has made a huge difference in the way my bass plays, more focus, less edge on the loud stuff, and a particularly welcome characteristic: quicker response in the valve register. As far the sound goes, I've done the A-B comparison routine a half dozen times in and out of the section and invariably people have preferred the sound with The Brace. The thing works great for me. On my tenor trombones (Edwards and Conn) the effect is pretty much the same but not as dramatic. The only situations where I take it off are when I want an edgier sound without having to blow my tushy off. I used to remove it when I had to play passages that required a great deal of flexibility, but I don't anymore (usually, see previous sentence). At first it seemed to make my tenor trombones feel a little stiff, but in reality any stiffness was compensated for by the quicker response. So in the end, moving around the horn turned out about the same. It was a matter of getting used to how it worked, similar to switching mouthpieces or horns. Anyway, it's a great addition to the arsenal. Steve Gamble Librarian Tucson Symphony Orchestra 2175 N. 6th Ave. Tucson, AZ 85705 (520) 792-9155 x118 (520) 792-9314 fax sgamble@tucsonsymphony.org -----Original Message----- From: Anders Carlsson [SMTP:anders.carlsson@gfs.gu.se] Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 1:20 AM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Greenhoe Company Have to send this again as it didn't go through. ----------------------------------- Just want to send out some official praise of the Greenhoe company. Wednesday last week, June 19 (Juneteenth, I know Gary), I ordered a brace from their website. A few hours later I got a confirmation mail that said that it was going to be sent on Friday June 21. Today, monday 24, I got it in my mailbox. From Jackson WI to Gothenburg Sweden over the weekend. (If you're not sure how far apart we are, look it up). Really impressive. How it works? A band I play in are going to a major European festival (http://www.ibbf.fi/) to play two days next week and then some other gigs in Sweden on our way back, so I'll get to you after field testing. /Anders Carlsson Gothenburg Sweden ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2431 Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 16:45:56 +0100 From: "Adrian Drover" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: chemical cleaning Message-ID: <004701c21c5f$6d525ba0$d8479fd4@homel29g9mgyk9> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit RE: chemical cleaning From: Bill Redgate >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm pretty fastidious about my horns - I don't even eat within two hours of playing - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My gig schedule is getting bad too. May have to give up eating all together. A. Adrian Drover ADIOS, Scotland www.adios.co.uk Personal email: adrian@adios.co.uk ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2431--