TROMBONE-L Digest 2422 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: K & M by "Dilshad Kasmani" 2) K & M by "Jeff Albert" 3) Re: Budget CD's at Barnes & Noble by "greg waits" 4) Re: K & M by Gary Sloane 5) Gary Maxwell by "Joe L. Norcross" 6) Re: K & M by "D.J. Kennedy" 7) Gig Bags and Cases by "conn60h" 8) Re: Gig Bags and Cases by "Chris Waage" 9) Up date on Gary Maxell by Randy Fendrick 10) newbie aiming to play sackbut by Bruce Guttman 11) Re: Jazz Trombone at Cezannes in Houston by "greg waits" 12) Re: K&M Trombone Stands by emrose79@pacbell.net 13) Re: newbie aiming to play sackbut by "D.J. Kennedy" 14) Re: K&M Trombone Stands by BassBonist@aol.com 15) Re: K&M Trombone Stands by Walter Barrett 16) Re: K&M Trombone Stands by ALFORDMB@aol.com 17) Re: K&M Trombone Stands by "greg waits" 18) Re: K&M Trombone Stands by "Adrian Drover" 19) Re: K&M Trombone Stands by Craig Parmerlee ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2422 Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 13:20:59 -0500 From: "Dilshad Kasmani" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: K & M Message-ID: <003401c21499$66d51e70$dfc8bc3f@dkasmani3> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I believe Hickey's stocks the standard K&M stand, as does most of the other online retailers. Some local shops stock as well, but it may be a few bucks more expense (I purchased mine at a local H&H music). I have both the UMI and K&M versions of the tenor stand, and they both fit in the exterior pocket of my ProTech Cases. They are a bit tight, so there's not room for much else. Make sure you DO NOT order the K&M collapsible in-bell stand. Dilshad ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Dinwiddie" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 11:12 AM Subject: K & M > Who sells the K & M stand for small bore tenor trombone? (I play a Bach > 16M). I'm in the market for a new stand (my Manhasset is slowly biting the > dust) and a lot of people seem to like the K & M. What should I expect to > pay? Will it fit into the zipper pocket of my Pro Tek case? The only good > thing about the Manhasset is that it just barely fits into the pocket when > completely closed (22-3/4"). Thanks in advance for some answers. > > Bill Dinwiddie > bill752d@attbi.com > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2422 Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 14:24:00 -0500 From: "Jeff Albert" To: "Trombones and related Forum." Subject: K & M Message-ID: <001c01c214a2$343c74f0$16279d42@jeff> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----Original Message----- From: owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu [mailto:owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu] On Behalf Of Dilshad Kasmani Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 1:21 PM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Make sure you DO NOT order the K&M collapsible in-bell stand. Dilshad ======================================================== I wouldn't necessarily say that. It is pretty flimsy, and I wouldn't but a .547, much less a bass on it, but it does come in handy when you have a small horn and too much other stuff. I used one on the road with my 2B and it was ok. Jeff Albert www.jeffalbert.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2422 Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 16:04:33 -0500 From: "greg waits" To: TRBNTERRY@webtv.net, trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Budget CD's at Barnes & Noble Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed That Hanna/Fontana date is GREAT! When I was in college at UNT, Conrad Herwig and I were in the One' O clock lab band together. We used to hang out and play Aebersolds together. We batted an idea around to publish a book of solos that we had been transcribing. The goal was 10 each from Rosolino and Fontana. I transcribed every Fontana solo on the Hanna/Fontana LP in the time it took me to do 1 Rosolino solo! (that is another topic for discussion!) As it turned out, we never DID publish the book, but it sure was worth the trouble to do the transcriptions, ear training wise. And ironically enough, some years later, I was burglarized and I lost all my notebooks of transcription masters! (Oh well, at least the initial "engraving" is still in my head) Speaking of the Hanna/Fontana album, I once asked Carl about that session. The date was an outdoor festival. He said it was one of his least favorite recordings, because he found himself playing louder and louder than he would normally play. (We have all had such experiences with playing outdoors with inadequate monitors provided) Okay, that is my 2 cents worth! GW From: TRBNTERRY@webtv.net (TRBNTERRY) Reply-To: TRBNTERRY@webtv.net To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Budget CD's at Barnes & Noble Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 01:02:12 -0400 (EDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Received: from po.missouri.edu ([128.206.12.137]) by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Fri, 14 Jun 2002 22:01:59 -0700 Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1])by po.missouri.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g5F52ri18368;Sat, 15 Jun 2002 00:02:53 -0500 Received: from smtpout-2001-1.public.lawson.webtv.net (smtpout-2001-1.public.lawson.webtv.net [209.240.212.81])by po.missouri.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g5F52Fi18248for ; Sat, 15 Jun 2002 00:02:15 -0500 Received: from storefull-2395.public.lawson.webtv.net (storefull-2395.public.lawson.webtv.net [209.240.213.183])by smtpout-2001-1.public.lawson.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id C8022BE24for ; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 22:02:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-2395.public.lawson.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id WAA04140; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 22:02:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4865-3D0ACA54-1109@storefull-2395.public.lawson.webtv.net> Sender: owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Precedence: bulk X-To: TROMBONE-L@po.MISSOURI.EDU X-WebTV-Signature: 1ETAsAhQV37OIMcASNYNeMNPofr6+PlcFrgIUYKzXZ0Oqs1xqRIRh6cKFYScxhOE= X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Return-Path: owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jun 2002 05:01:59.0471 (UTC) FILETIME=[C7991BF0:01C21429] FWIW, I recently picked up two darned good CD's @ $3.99 at Barnes & Noble. 1. Hanna / Fontana Band "Live At Concord", w/ Herb Ellis, Bill Berry, Dave McKenna, etc. 2. Robert Trowers Quartet, "Point of View", w/ Slide Hampton, Al Grey, Fred Wesley. Both CD's are just plain good, straight-forward jazz and ensemble work. I don't think I've ever appeciated Carl Fontana or Slide Hampton as much as I do on these CD's. Barnes & Noble also have a lot more good jazz CD's in the $3.99 category. Another one I bought is entitled "Newport Jazz Festival All-Stars, with Scott Hamilton, Slam Stewart, Warren Vache and more. Great CD. Sincerely, Mike Terry "No man is so ignorant as the one who claims he isn't. Life is far too short to become enlightened on all subjects. We are all ignorant, except on different subjects. A musician's training begins at a very early age and lasts a lifetime. Excellence requires many years of hard work and struggle and deserves reward in like manner to the other top-rated professions." _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2422 Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 14:10:55 -0700 From: Gary Sloane To: "Bill Dinwiddie" Cc: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: K & M Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Who sells the K & M stand for small bore tenor trombone? (I play a Bach 16M). I'm in the market for a new stand (my Manhasset is slowly biting the dust) and a lot of people seem to like the K & M. What should I expect to pay? Will it fit into the zipper pocket of my Pro Tek case? The only good thing about the Manhasset is that it just barely fits into the pocket when completely closed (22-3/4"). Thanks in advance for some answers. Bill Dinwiddie bill752d@attbi.com Bill, I like them too, like everybody else. I think you get get them at a reasonable price from Steve Ferguson in Los Angeles: http://members.aol.com/sftrombone/Stands.htm -- Gary Sloane sloane@batnet.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2422 Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 14:24:23 -0700 From: "Joe L. Norcross" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Gary Maxwell Message-ID: <009e01c214b3$06730d20$3ddcaec7@computer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just got an Email from Gary's wife, Jan. Gary had a stroke last Sunday and will be on the mend for quite awhile. Our prayers need to go out to him and his family. Hang in there Gary Joe L. Norcross Tuba: Visalia CA Sequoia Winds Bass Trombone: Clovis CA Community Band Tuba and Announcer: Kingsburg CA City Band joetuba@lightspeed.net ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2422 Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 18:36:30 -0500 From: "D.J. Kennedy" To: sloane@batnet.com Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: K & M Message-ID: <3D0BCF7E.B17E0FAC@midwest.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i like the old style wood and ball k m stands -and have 5 or 6 the oldest one ---is jimmy archie's -it has rings for mutes --the beststudio stands are made out of drum gear ---tripods for cymbals etc---for bass bones -these are the best ---- a much wider triangle is better ------make the tops to fit -- lightweight ------these are hard to find --set up drum gear and save thoseflimsey manhandlers for the road---- if i were to make something -it would be out of thinwall cr/mo tube like bicycles use and alloy ////nylon components maybe flat aluminum in old km pattern for legs stronger .../////lighter better function is possible ---- not cheeper -------better -------new and really improved 1/3 the weight 5 times as strong -- --- Gary Sloane wrote: > >Who sells the K & M stand for small bore tenor trombone? (I play a Bach > >16M). I'm in the market for a new stand (my Manhasset is slowly biting the > >dust) and a lot of people seem to like the K & M. What should I expect to > >pay? Will it fit into the zipper pocket of my Pro Tek case? The only good > >thing about the Manhasset is that it just barely fits into the pocket when > >completely closed (22-3/4"). Thanks in advance for some answers. > > > >Bill Dinwiddie > >bill752d@attbi.com > > Bill, > > I like them too, like everybody else. > I think you get get them at a reasonable > price from Steve Ferguson in Los Angeles: > http://members.aol.com/sftrombone/Stands.htm > > -- > Gary Sloane > sloane@batnet.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2422 Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 17:49:29 -0500 From: "conn60h" To: "trombone-l" Subject: Gig Bags and Cases Message-ID: <000801c214be$e874b6a0$71392ad0@y2q5q3> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C21494.FF64B2E0" I'm getting tired of schlepping around my factory bass trombone cases. When I have to walkÊa fewÊblocks or so with the horn, and sack of mutes, stand, etc., it gets to be a pain. What is the consensus out there for a good light case or gig bag. I am some what reluctant, to trust one of my babiesÊtoÊa dent bag. But it sure would be nice to stick everything into a double gig bag. Any thoughts out there on the BAM bass case? PRO PAC? ALTIERI? CRONKHITE? OTHERS? Thanks ahead of time, conn60h (also an Olds S-22 and a Getzen 1062) ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2422 Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 16:51:44 -0700 From: "Chris Waage" To: Subject: Re: Gig Bags and Cases Message-ID: <200206151651.AA4129158@trombone.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Personally, I have had the best luck with the Altieri. Donna's bags have the best slide protection of any gig bag I've seen. The Cronkhite (formerly Reunion Blues) are pretty good, but if you have a "soft" slide or bell, your repairman will love you. I'm not a fan of the Pro-Tec cases. They just haven't seemed to hold up. Personal opinion - your mileage may vary. Chris ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "conn60h" Reply-To: conn60h@visi.com Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 17:49:29 -0500 >I'm getting tired of schlepping around my factory bass trombone cases. When I have to walk a few blocks or so with the horn, and sack of mutes, stand, etc., it gets to be a pain. > >What is the consensus out there for a good light case or gig bag. I am some what reluctant, to trust one of my babies to a dent bag. But it sure would be nice to stick everything into a double gig bag. Any thoughts out there on the BAM bass case? PRO PAC? ALTIERI? CRONKHITE? OTHERS? > >Thanks ahead of time, > >conn60h (also an Olds S-22 and a Getzen 1062) > > > > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2422 Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 16:58:55 -0700 From: Randy Fendrick To: Trombone and related issues Subject: Up date on Gary Maxell Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I just got off of the phone re: Gary and they are moving him into a private room from ICU. He is off oxygen and has regained movement in his right eye and seems to be mentally alert. He is eating food but really concerned about an old conductor and music teacher here who is celebrating his 91st birthday next week. Gary had cooked up an idea of playing of low brass players playing "Happy Birthday" and then segue into the breakstrain of "Stars and Strips." Both Gary and the Conductor are good euphonium players. Unfortunately I can't be there, hopefully Gary can. Cheers -Randy Fendrick- Bakersfield Symphony Orchestra Southside Chicago Seven ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2422 Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 20:56:41 -0400 From: Bruce Guttman To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: newbie aiming to play sackbut Message-ID: <200206152056_MC3-1-26C-866D@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message text written by INTERNET:robert.osterlund@attbi.com >I am a sackbut player wannabe with a *very* strong commitment to early music. (I currently play recorder, all sizes.) Due to the sackbut's relative obscurity and the paucity of true sackbut teachers, I infer that the logical course to follow is to begin learning the trombone. < I think you are on the right track. Everybody who plays Sackbut usually starts with a trombone. First of all because you can get one for about 1/10th the cost of a sackbut, and once you understand how to play one you can easily transfer skills to the other. Most trombone players start by learning things like scales and reading, and that is going to be necessary for playing Monteverdi or Ellington. You don't start learning to play true improvisation until you have a solid foundation in playing tone and technique. And don't sell improvisation short: in playing Renaissance music, you may find the part is a "figured bass" and you are expected to play something based on the notes given. This would not be too dissimilar to the tenor recorder in a SSAT quartet, or the contrabass recorder in a TTBC quartet. Once you have learned how to play the trombone, you need to transfer your thoughts to the Sackbut. The bore is much narrower, and the reduced bell flare requires a different "touch" from the trombone. You could play a sackbut along with a broken consort of Crumhorns and Recorders, where a trombone would drown them out entirely. You also need to decide what kind of sackbut you want to play. As a purist, you would need to choose the alto, the tenor, or the bass. The tenor is similar to the modern trombone in length and the easiest to transition. The alto is pitched in Eb or F, and requires different fingerings. The bass is pitched in F, sort of like a bass trombone with the trigger engaged. It is worked with a handle and requires some relearning of fingerings, too. If you are not such a purist, there are tenor sackbuts with F triggers. These allow you to take advantage of the easier fingerings for some notes, and also to cover a bass sackbut part if necessary. If you are really open, you can get a sort-of sackbut sound by cutting the bell flare off a small bore trombone like one of those 1910 King's that appear from time to time on Ebay. I have a Holton Collegiate that was so modified, but the purists won't let me take it out of the case at the Renaissance Band. This was the route taken in the early 1960's by the New York Pro Musica since genuine sackbut copies were totally unavailable at the time. Good luck with your quest, and feel free to ask questions. Bruce Guttman Solo Trombone, Hollis Town Band Section Leader, Merrimack Valley philharmonic Orchestra I don't know if your Renaissance Band has an opening for a sackbut, but you probably won't be ready by this fall, unless you have a lot of time to devote. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2422 Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 20:41:01 -0500 From: "greg waits" To: djpens@midwest.net, trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Jazz Trombone at Cezannes in Houston Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Hey DJ, just say the word and I will have valet parking for ya! Greg From: "D.J. Kennedy" Reply-To: djpens@midwest.net To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Jazz Trombone at Cezannes in Houston Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 18:00:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from [128.206.12.137] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id MHotMailBED3A45F0023400438E580CE0C890CB00; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 14:00:17 -0700 Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1])by po.missouri.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g5EL0Di03430;Fri, 14 Jun 2002 16:00:13 -0500 Received: from sire.mail.pas.earthlink.net (sire.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.182])by po.missouri.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g5EKxmi03336for ; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 15:59:48 -0500 Received: from ilches01-61.midwest.net ([208.235.4.71] helo=midwest.net)by sire.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2)id 17IyAd-0002t5-00; Fri, 14 Jun 2002 13:59:47 -0700 From owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Fri, 14 Jun 2002 14:00:51 -0700 Message-Id: <3D0A7571.66BB76AF@midwest.net> Sender: owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Precedence: bulk References: X-To: alteredcircuit@hotmail.com X-Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en]C-compaq (Win98; I) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN hey the bus is on its way !!!!!!!!!!!! greg waits wrote: > Hello trombone-l members. > > Just a note to let you know that my jazz group, the Greg Waits Quartet > (featuring drummer Ed Soph) will be appearing at Cezanne's in Houston next > friday and saturday night (June 22 and 23) from 8-midnight. > > If you are in the Houston area, don't miss the chance to support live jazz. > My group plays almost all original music, with an emphasis on a variety of > grooves. I have written a new tango, two new bossas and a jazz trio, and I > look forward to letting Ed loose on them! > > The cover charge is $12.00, but anyone who comes and lets me know they heard > about this on trombone-l gets a free copy of my CD! > > Support Jazz Trombone! > > Thanks! > > Greg > > The Greg Waits Quartet > > Greg Waits - trombones > Woody Witt - soprano/tenor saxes > David Craig - bass > Ed Soph - drums > > Greg Waits plays Bach trombones exclusively. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2422 Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 19:08:20 -0700 From: emrose79@pacbell.net Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: K&M Trombone Stands Message-ID: <3D0BF314.CF499AFF@pacbell.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT for what it's worth.... I've been using Hamilton stands for 30 years or so, and always keep 3 or 4 trombones set up at all times. During Loma Prieta (1989) they all stayed put. Ed ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2422 Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 01:04:22 -0500 From: "D.J. Kennedy" To: robert.osterlund@attbi.com Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: newbie aiming to play sackbut Message-ID: <3D0C2A66.EDD5A6C7@midwest.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hum since you are starting off --- there is an incredible difference in the character of the sac and modern horns about as much or more as modern flutes --to recorder so i would put you upon the path less travelled -and start you out on a conn 2h or 3h [or other narrow bore besson prototyp etc] modified so as to be pitched in ''a'' which came before the modern era - further an approiate mouthpiece should be selected modifications could be made to the bell quite easily and the appearance would be more in tune - --------------- the bell might be reduced to 4 inches or so and someone having a pexto rolling maching could re roll the rim -or a fancy flat and scalloped rim and garland -would add a nice touch --- the 458 bore is a bit large but if the mouthpiece was carefully chosen such an instrument might do well as a step towards one of the european made replicas robert.osterlund@attbi.com wrote: > Folks: > > I am a sackbut player wannabe with a *very* strong > commitment to early music. (I currently play recorder, > all sizes.) > > Due to the sackbut's relative obscurity and the paucity > of true sackbut teachers, I infer that the logical > course to follow is to begin learning the trombone. > > My son will be playing trombone in his grade school band > for a second year beginning this fall. We recently > purchased his rental Amati tenor trombone. So, I have > an Amati Kraslice ASL 312 to begin learning with. (He > doesn't mind my borrowing "his" instrument, since he has > greater interest in the guitar anyway.) If things go > well, I anticipate acquiring a true sackbut maybe by the > end of the year. > > I will have more specific questions as I go along, but > for now I am asking for some general advice. > > I want to play early music on sackbut as soon as > possible. I am nearly 50, and time is running out on > me. (I have hand issues that cause me concern about my > finger dexterity as I approach "old age".) I respect > but don't really love jazz music, so no offense--I don't > want to spend much if any time learning the jazz > trombone repertoire. I will gladly learn the classical > trombone reportoire, but mainly as a segue to early > music. Renaissance band music--yeah, that's what I love! > > So, any words of wisdom for this left-handed, 49-year > old sackbut player wannabe? > > I do have one specific question at the moment: I > imagine that there is a commercial instructional CD for > beginning trombone players, right? (Of course, I need > to begin study with a live teacher as soon as > possible.) On this CD, there would be a section > demonstrating the most basic elements and technique. I > don't mean just passages or entire short "standard" > pieces, but things like individual notes and effects > (legato, staccato, glissando, etc.) for the beginner to > play alongside and imitate. > > Thanks for any replies. > > Berto > > robert.osterlund@attbi.com > http://earlymusichicago.org/earlymusichicago ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2422 Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 11:28:18 EDT From: BassBonist@aol.com To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: K&M Trombone Stands Message-ID: <53.182472cf.2a3e0892@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_53.182472cf.2a3e0892_boundary" << for what it's worth.... I've been using Hamilton stands for 30 years or so, and always keep 3 or 4 trombones set up at all times. During Loma Prieta (1989) they all stayed put.>> Ed: My comment about earthquakes was more tongue-in-cheek than anything else but I do have a question for you: how many Hamiltons have you bought in the past 30 years? I'll bet my twelve year old K&M will still be in use in another 18 years from now. Matt ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2422 Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 11:38:32 -0400 From: Walter Barrett To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: K&M Trombone Stands Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Thus spake, not Zarathustra, but BassBonist@aol.com... >> >> << >> for what it's worth.... >> I've been using Hamilton stands for 30 years or so, and always keep 3 or >> 4 trombones set up at all times. During Loma Prieta (1989) they all >> stayed put.>> > > > Ed: > > My comment about earthquakes was more tongue-in-cheek than anything else but I > do have a question for you: how many Hamiltons have you bought in the past 30 > years? I'll bet my twelve year old K&M will still be in use in another 18 > years from now. > > Matt FWIW, I still have my original Hamiltons (2) that I bought about 1976-78. The only thing I've had to do to them was replace one rivet on the leg with a screw and nut. -- Walter Barrett "dont let school get in the way of your edumacation" -d j kennedy Yamaha Artist/Clinician Tenor, Alto, Bass Trombones Euphonium Bass Trumpet Tuba ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2422 Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 11:57:11 EDT From: ALFORDMB@aol.com To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: K&M Trombone Stands Message-ID: <189.94ee48a.2a3e0f57@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit wbarrett@bestweb.net, and others, write: > >> << > >> for what it's worth.... > >> I've been using Hamilton stands for 30 years or so, and always keep 3 or > >> 4 trombones set up at all times. During Loma Prieta (1989) they all > >> stayed put.>> > > > > > > Ed: > > > > My comment about earthquakes was more tongue-in-cheek than anything else > but I > > do have a question for you: how many Hamiltons have you bought in the past > 30 > > years? I'll bet my twelve year old K&M will still be in use in another 18 > > years from now. > > > > Matt > > FWIW, I still have my original Hamiltons (2) that I bought about 1976-78. > The only thing I've had to do to them was replace one rivet on the leg with > a screw and nut. > -- > Walter Barrett > ----------------- I have an older Hamilton - don't actually know how old - but it was well used when purchased from a pawn shop in the late 80s. It is tough and stable, but the rubber is beginning to suffer. It's a lot sturdier than the new ones I've seen, but not particularly compact folded as it could be -- unless you carry an allen wrench in your gig bag. Not out of the question, of course . . . FWIW Mike Alford ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2422 Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 11:08:09 -0500 From: "greg waits" To: ALFORDMB@aol.com, trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: K&M Trombone Stands Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Okay, I can't hold it in any longer! Here is my experience with Hamilton tbn stands! Some years ago, I was on a rock date, and the stage was quite dark. During the usual dancing around that one does on such gigs, I accidentally stepped on one of the legs of the tbn stand. I weighed less than 200 pounds, but the stand folded at the rivet. And that was that! So anyway, when I discovered K&Ms, I knew I had one that would last forever. The only thing I dislike about these stands is the fact that the threaded adjustment knobs can back all the way out. (I misplaced one on my first one, but luckily I was able to fish around and find a generic replacement.) I am through with the soapbox now! GW From: ALFORDMB@aol.com Reply-To: ALFORDMB@aol.com To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: K&M Trombone Stands Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 11:57:11 EDT MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from [128.206.12.137] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id MHotMailBED6009F0059400431D180CE0C89117A0; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 08:58:24 -0700 Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1])by po.missouri.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g5GFwIi05202;Sun, 16 Jun 2002 10:58:18 -0500 Received: from imo-r07.mx.aol.com (imo-r07.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.103])by po.missouri.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g5GFvSi04797for ; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 10:57:29 -0500 Received: from ALFORDMB@aol.comby imo-r07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 8.189.94ee48a (3984) for ; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 11:57:12 -0400 (EDT) From owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Sun, 16 Jun 2002 08:58:42 -0700 Message-Id: <189.94ee48a.2a3e0f57@aol.com> Sender: owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Precedence: bulk X-To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN wbarrett@bestweb.net, and others, write: > >> << > >> for what it's worth.... > >> I've been using Hamilton stands for 30 years or so, and always keep 3 or > >> 4 trombones set up at all times. During Loma Prieta (1989) they all > >> stayed put.>> > > > > > > Ed: > > > > My comment about earthquakes was more tongue-in-cheek than anything else > but I > > do have a question for you: how many Hamiltons have you bought in the past > 30 > > years? I'll bet my twelve year old K&M will still be in use in another 18 > > years from now. > > > > Matt > > FWIW, I still have my original Hamiltons (2) that I bought about 1976-78. > The only thing I've had to do to them was replace one rivet on the leg with > a screw and nut. > -- > Walter Barrett > ----------------- I have an older Hamilton - don't actually know how old - but it was well used when purchased from a pawn shop in the late 80s. It is tough and stable, but the rubber is beginning to suffer. It's a lot sturdier than the new ones I've seen, but not particularly compact folded as it could be -- unless you carry an allen wrench in your gig bag. Not out of the question, of course . . . FWIW Mike Alford _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2422 Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 17:14:36 +0100 From: "Adrian Drover" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: K&M Trombone Stands Message-ID: <001301c21551$11124720$d8479fd4@homel29g9mgyk9> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: BassBonist@aol.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My comment about earthquakes was more tongue-in-cheek than anything else but I do have a question for you: how many Hamiltons have you bought in the past 30 years? I'll bet my twelve year old K&M will still be in use in another 18 years from now. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I used to hang my bass 'bone on a Hamilton. It fell off... ...and we don't have earthquakes here in Scotland. I now have a K+M. Still don't trust it tho', unless I'm sitting close to it, and there's no microphone cables underneath it, or fidgety sax players near it. Intermission time, my axe is back in its case. A. Adrian Drover ADIOS, Scotland www.adios.co.uk Personal email: adrian@adios.co.uk ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2422 Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 11:45:11 -0500 From: Craig Parmerlee To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: K&M Trombone Stands Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20020616113553.01f11198@acticalc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 05:14 PM 6/16/2002 +0100, Adrian Drover wrote: I used to hang my bass 'bone on a Hamilton. It fell off... ...and we don't have earthquakes here in Scotland. I now have a K+M. Still don't trust it tho', unless I'm sitting close to it, and there's no microphone cables underneath it, or fidgety sax players near it. Intermission time, my axe is back in its case. Here's a new one -- at least I hadn't seen this scenario before. I was warming up quietly on stage for an orchestra concert last week. It was an outdoor concert on a crowded stage. I was just doing some slow relaxed scales, nothing special, when WHOOSH -- my slide went flying out of my hands and wedged under the trumpeter's chair in front of me. I completely lost my wits for a second because nobody had been moving around me and I knew I hadn't lost the slide myself. Was there some ghost of bad concerts past working on the stage? We were using stand lights. It turns out that 15 feet to my left, one of our elderly violists had snagged her shoe on the electrical cord. When it pulled tight, it snagged my spit valve lever, just like the landing hook on navy jets and sent the slide flying. It seems to be no worse for the experience fortunately. Don't fall in love with those hunks of brass. If you use the instrument, it is going to get damaged sometime, somewhere. Craig ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2422--