TROMBONE-L Digest 2411 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Care & Feeding of Leadpipes by "Chuck De Paolo" 2) RE: Care & Feeding of Leadpipes by "Dennis Clason" 3) RE: Care & Feeding of Leadpipes by richardt@LEE.ARMY.MIL 4) Re: Care & Feeding of Leadpipes by "D.J. Kennedy" 5) Re: Care & Feeding of Leadpipes by Eric & Candice Swanson 6) Re: Chicago section record on CD by Joseph Green 7) World cup by Joseph Green 8) Re: Diversity in the ITF/ITA and Sam's Reverie by "Fred Hudson" 9) musician quotes by "greg waits" 10) [Fwd: Diversity in the ITF/ITA by "D.J. Kennedy" 11) Re: Chicago section record on CD by JFBermann@aol.com 12) Re: World cup by emrose79@pacbell.net 13) Chicago Symphony Brass Concert by "Brian Frederiksen" 14) Re: World cup by "Keith Marr" ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2411 Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 03:10:15 -0400 From: "Chuck De Paolo" To: "Trombone List" Subject: Re: Care & Feeding of Leadpipes Message-ID: <015e01c20b96$e0b62ab0$0200a8c0@ws2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Two things: 1. Brass polish will definitely ruin a leadpipe. Each time you polish it you take away a little more metal. And with a leadpipe, a little is a lot. Soon it may no longer fit or may leak. Leadpipes look crappy naturally, and that is OK. 2. Constantly removing and replacing the pipe will wear down the leading edge, causing it to leak. It may also impart other stresses on the thin walls, especially near the leading edge and in the middle of the hourglass, altering the shape and thus the way the horn responds. A change in the leading edge will cause a leak or a change of resistance. Unless you are actively using more than one leadpipe, best bet is to reduce the number of times you are pulling and replacing the pipes to avoid wear and tear. I used to have a horn with a removable leadpipe that was old and didn't fit as well as it could have. There were times when the performance of the horn definitely suffered and the leadpipe's fit was clearly to blame. All the other times I had no where else to look but in the mirror, but that's another story. ---Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: John To: Trombones and related issues forum. Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 12:49 PM Subject: Care & Feeding of Leadpipes My two Basset Hounds chipped in & bought me a Shires horn that came with three leadpipes but I need advice on their care. Since they're raw brass they like to corrode so do you pull 'em out every time you're done playing and swab 'em out ? Can I treat 'em with some kind of valve oil as a moisture barrier? Right now I clean 'em with Wright's Brass Polish but I think it's taking a toll and I don't want to ruin 'em. I'll take all opinions. 'em 'em 'em Thanks, John ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2411 Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 11:28:27 -0600 From: "Dennis Clason" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: Care & Feeding of Leadpipes Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit John: I wish my Belgian Shepherd was as generous as your basset hounds... I don't have a Shires, yet, but I have three leadpipes for my Bach bass. I care for them much the same way I care for mouthpieces -- I rinse them with water now and again. I have noticed that the Callet gold brass pipe is much less prone to corrosion than the yellow brass Bach pipes. Dennis > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu > [mailto:owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu]On Behalf Of John > Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 10:50 AM > To: Trombones and related issues forum. > Subject: Care & Feeding of Leadpipes > > > My two Basset Hounds chipped in & > bought me a Shires horn that came with three > leadpipes but I need advice on their care. > > Since they're raw brass they like to corrode > so do you pull 'em out every time you're done > playing and swab 'em out ? > > Can I treat 'em with some kind of valve oil > as a moisture barrier? > > Right now I clean 'em with Wright's Brass > Polish but I think it's taking a toll and I don't > want to ruin 'em. > > I'll take all opinions. 'em 'em 'em > > Thanks, John > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2411 Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 13:30:52 -0400 From: richardt@LEE.ARMY.MIL To: wahlbobs@teleport.com, trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: RE: Care & Feeding of Leadpipes Message-ID: <81F62454EA21B94EA95517180D7303730243FB38@lee-is-102.lee.army.mil> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C20BED.931AD880" Clean the two you don't use, seal in a baggie while doing the immerse in water trick to get rid of all the air, put them in the back of your freezer compartment.Ê When you move or sell your refrigerator you'll forget and lose them, but it's no big deal. You were never going to use them anyway, and if you did you wouldn't be able to find them and you'd have to order new ones. First came the non-removable leadpipe. Then came the removable leadpipe, followed immediately by the practice of shipping horns with three leadpipes.Ê Why? (since they're really identical, just marked different) Because as soon as people started taking them out they started losing them. When you've lost all three you have to buy three more. The only known way not to lose them is never take them out, and the best way to do that is not have the spares handy. Just my opinion, worth at least what you paid for it. I don't have a removable leadpipe, wish I did, I'd be making various size sleeves to fit in the slide!ÊÊÊ -----Original Message----- From: John [mailto:wahlbobs@teleport.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 12:50 PM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Care & Feeding of Leadpipes My two Basset Hounds chipped in & bought me a Shires horn that came with three leadpipes but I need advice on their care. Since they're raw brass they like to corrode so do you pull 'em out every time you're done playing and swab 'em out ? Can I treat 'em with some kind of valve oil as a moisture barrier? Right now I clean 'em with Wright's Brass Polish but I think it's taking a toll and I don't want to ruin 'em. I'll take all opinions. 'em 'em 'em Thanks, John ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2411 Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 14:56:01 -0500 From: "D.J. Kennedy" To: dclason@nmsu.edu Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Care & Feeding of Leadpipes Message-ID: <3CFD1B50.ECB32F07@midwest.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit plating them would be a good idea - grease down w vaseline -after cleaning or a hard carnuba wax like trewax --- sterling is pretty good -titanium or stainless steel might be corrosion resistant --- Dennis Clason wrote: > John: > > I wish my Belgian Shepherd was as > generous as your basset hounds... > > I don't have a Shires, yet, but I have > three leadpipes for my Bach bass. I > care for them much the same way I care for > mouthpieces -- I rinse them with water now > and again. > > I have noticed that the Callet gold brass > pipe is much less prone to corrosion than > the yellow brass Bach pipes. > > Dennis > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu > > [mailto:owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu]On Behalf Of John > > Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 10:50 AM > > To: Trombones and related issues forum. > > Subject: Care & Feeding of Leadpipes > > > > > > My two Basset Hounds chipped in & > > bought me a Shires horn that came with three > > leadpipes but I need advice on their care. > > > > Since they're raw brass they like to corrode > > so do you pull 'em out every time you're done > > playing and swab 'em out ? > > > > Can I treat 'em with some kind of valve oil > > as a moisture barrier? > > > > Right now I clean 'em with Wright's Brass > > Polish but I think it's taking a toll and I don't > > want to ruin 'em. > > > > I'll take all opinions. 'em 'em 'em > > > > Thanks, John > > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2411 Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 13:17:11 -0500 From: Eric & Candice Swanson Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Care & Feeding of Leadpipes Message-ID: <3CFD0426.C3ABDB1@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > -----Original Message----- > From: John [mailto:wahlbobs@teleport.com] > Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 12:50 PM > To: Trombones and related issues forum. > Subject: Care & Feeding of Leadpipes > > My two Basset Hounds chipped in & > bought me a Shires horn that came with three > leadpipes but I need advice on their care. > John, Grease the leadpipe before you put it in the horn with tuning slide grease. It will keep the corrosion on the outside down to a minimum, and keep them from getting stuck in the horn (and make sure there is an airtight seal between the two). Grease the threads too, if they screw in. Brass polish on the outside of the pipe is not harmful, but unnecessary. Have the leadpipes chemical cleaned when the rest of the horn is done (or more often, since that is where most of the gunk collects) but take the leadpipes out when cleaning the horn or the leadpipes. Eric Swanson ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2411 Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 09:06:27 +0900 From: Joseph Green To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Chicago section record on CD Message-ID: <3CFD5600.7A1E@twics.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ?Who plays the tenor tuba part on the Holst excerpt (and on what instrument)? JG ++++++++++++ ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2411 Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 08:54:46 +0900 From: Joseph Green To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: World cup Message-ID: <3CFD5343.2456@twics.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ?Yes, there really is trombone-related content in this news report from Japan. ++++++++++++++ ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2411 Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 19:26:09 -0500 From: "Fred Hudson" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Diversity in the ITF/ITA and Sam's Reverie Message-ID: <005e01c20c27$9c231d40$511198d8@s0024172501> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Diversity in the ITF/ITA (was Re: ITF 2002) ----- Original Message ----- From: sabutin To: Trombones and related issues forum. Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 5:59 AM Subject: Diversity in the ITF/ITA (was Re: ITF 2002) I can see it now...ITF 2005...Rio or San Juan or...YES!!!...the REAL deal...HAVANA!!!! (I mean...you don't think that truly stupid embargo will last forever, do you?) MMMMMMMM.......think of it... I can see it now...the beaches, the music, the food, the people... Really. The entire makeup of the Festival would change. Havana is no more distant than Finland from the United States or Denton, Texas from Europe, but it is one hell of a lot closer to all those Mexican, Brazilian, Puerto Rican, Cuban, Argentinian, Colombian, etc trombonists, many of whom are both relatively strapped for cash to some degree and not so fluent in English that they would feel comfortable coming to the US or to Europe, where English is kind of a second language. ----------------------------------------------------- Sam's Reverie of an ITF in Havana has tripped a synapse in my memory bank bringing up an experience with implications to both the marching band and audience decorum threads that have been so well discussed lately. In 1950, when I was a junior in high school, our HS Band was invited by the government of Cuba (pre-Batista democracy) to march in their Independence Day Parade (Feb 6 - date of independence from Spain). We boarded a Cuban Naval Vessel in Key West for the 90 mile trip to Havana. The parade route was seven miles along the Havana waterfront and through the old city streets. The Director's plan was to alternate between "Stars and Stripes Forever" and Fillmore's "Americans We" with about three minutes of street beat. in between. We were accustomed to large parades (Orange Bowl) in which we only played when the band ahead of us had finished a number. We were not very far into the parade when it became obvious that the crowd didn't want to watch us march to the drumbeat, or for that matter they didn't want to hear anything but "SSF"; but did they ever respond to that! They clapped, they cheered, they broke out to strut along beside us until the police made them move back. We played almost non-stop for the last five miles or so, taking turns laying out a strain or two and faking it. Our lips ranged from dead to bloody at the end, but we gave them what they wanted and every one of us felt rewarded by the response. We were treated "royally" by our hosts with a five day stay and planned tours an well as time to wander around. Is playing in a marching band worth it? Can a responsive audience bring out the best in you? HELL YES! Would I go to back Havana for an ITF? In a heartbeat! Would I march in a seven mile parade again? Well, some things are best enjoyed if you don't attempt to repeat them! Press On Sam! Fred Hudson ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2411 Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 19:46:42 -0500 From: "greg waits" To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: musician quotes Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed "Nine AM reminds me of Tommy Dorsey at MGM many years ago. The assistant director told Tommy that he and his band were to be in makeup at eight o'clock the next day, in order to be ready by nine. They were being featured in "DuBarry Was a Lady," one of MGM's top musicals, with Lucy and Red Skelton co-starring. Dorsey asked the assistant, 'You mean eight o'clock in the morning?' 'Of course,' he was told. 'Jesus Christ,' said Dorsey, 'my boys don't even start vomiting till eleven.'" - from the autobiography of Desi Arnaz An old trumpet player to a young trumpet player: "The good news is you've got a great technique. The bad news is you've got a great technique." - Bob Barnard "All I wanted was to be big, to be in show business, and to travel ... and that's what I've been doing all my life." - Count Basie Sir Thomas Beecham, a British conductor, warned his students never to glance at the trombones. "It will only encourage them," he said. "Brass bands are all very well in their place, outdoors and several miles away." - Sir Thomas Beecham "There are two golden rules for an orchestra: start together and finish together. The public doesn't give a damn what goes on in between." - Sir Thomas Beecham "Madam, you have a wonderful instrument between your legs and all you can do is sit there and scratch it." - Sir Thomas Beecham to a female cello player "Stand back, give half a man a chance!" - Durwood Cline "I'm trying to remember her name, but I just can't put my finger in it." - Durwood Cline * When asked about his female singer, he replied, "She's good, but she ain't no fried chicken" - Durwood Cline Commenting on weathercasting in on the way to a gig: "It isn't so much the temperature that the weatherman says it is, it's how cold it is down there at the windshield factory" -Durwood Cline "It doesn't bother me." Informing his sideman to be on their best behavior during the job, because the nervous contractor was keeping an eye on them: "She's watching us like we are hawks!" -Durwood Cline - Eddie Condon upon first hearing jazz "The boppers flat their fifths. We consume ours." - Eddie Condon "Ted Lewis could make the clarinet talk. What it said was 'put me back in the case!'" - Eddie Condon "Finally, Beiderbecke took out a silver cornet. He put it to his lips and blew a phrase. The sound came out like a girl saying 'yes.'" - Eddie Condon Eddie said of Smith Ballew: "He tried to carry a tune across the street and broke both his legs." "If you get your guitar in tune, send it to me and I'll send you mine." - Herb Ellis' ad in the "International Musician" "When she started to play, Steinway himself came down and rubbed his name off the piano." - Bob Hope, on comedian Phyllis Diller "Muzak goes in one ear, and out some other opening." - Anton Kuerti (b. 1939), Austrian-born Canadian pianist "One never knows, do one?" - Fats Waller "Now, everyone look like you're having fun. Only don't have any." - Lawrence Welk "Jack Benny played Mendelssohn last night. Mendelssohn lost..." - Unknown * Durwood Cline was a Dallas bandleader/trombonist who gained more fame for his fractured English and his unintentional maloprops than via his musical ability. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2411 Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 23:06:53 -0500 From: "D.J. Kennedy" To: "tltltltltltltl forum." Subject: [Fwd: Diversity in the ITF/ITA Message-ID: <3CFD8E5D.A7BA7721@midwest.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hire this guys band !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! MARCOFLEX@aol.com wrote: > Hey, DJ, how are things? I hope you are doing fine. I have been getting some > work lately and will be in the Puerto Rican Day Parade this week end In New > York. Any new horns to speak of? ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2411 Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 22:21:37 EDT From: JFBermann@aol.com To: jgreen@m.u-tokyo.ac.jp, trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Chicago section record on CD Message-ID: <1bd.3a82662.2a2ecfb1@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1bd.3a82662.2a2ecfb1_boundary" If memory serves me, Jay Friedman played the tenor tuba part in the Holst excerpt. At the time he had a fabulous Euphonium, a Conn Connstellation. Jim Bermann ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2411 Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 20:47:24 -0700 From: emrose79@pacbell.net Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: World cup Message-ID: <3CFD89CC.E62FF7D9@pacbell.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT including, one assumes, any previous trombone convictions ö flash up on a little screen. well........I was never convicted! Joseph Green wrote: > > Yes, there really is trombone-related content in this news report from > Japan. > > > > ++++++++++++++ ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2411 Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 21:09:56 -0700 From: "Brian Frederiksen" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." , , , Subject: Chicago Symphony Brass Concert Message-ID: <011001c20c46$e1c23380$3101fea9@DESK> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I have been asked to forward this on. CHICAGO SYMPHONY ORCHESTRA One Hundred Eleventh Season DONORS CONCERT Monday Evening, June 10, 2002, at 7:30 MEMBERS OF THE CHICAGO SYMPHONY ORCHESTRA JAY FRIEDMAN, Conductor DAVID SCHRADER, Organ WALTON, Trans. KREINES Crown Imperial R. STRAUSS Feierlicher Einzug R. STRAUSS Fanfare Stadt Wien POLAY Solemnity World premiere. WOOD, Trans. KREINES Mannin Veen DUPRƒ Variations on a No‘l for Organ, Op. 20 David Schrader, Organ HOLST, Trans. KREINES Jupiter from The Planets WAGNER, Trans. FRIEDMAN Elsa's procession to the cathedral from Lohengrin RESPIGHI, Trans. KREINES The Pines of the Appian Way from Pines of Rome GRAINGER, Trans. KREINES Irish tune from County Derry (Londonderry air) $20 general admission tickets are available for this special brass and organ concert starting at 5:00 p.m. on the night of the performance ONLY (June 10, 2002) and can be purchased at the Symphony Center box office. Symphony Center is located at 220 S. Michigan Avenue in Chicago. There won't be any information about the concert on our website and as I mentioned they won't be able to buy tickets in advance, but if people wish to call for more information they can call (312) 294-3000 Brian Frederiksen WindSong Press PO Box 146 Gurnee, Illinois 60030 brianf@windsongpress.com www.windsongpress.com Phone 847 223-4586 Fax 847 223-4580 brianf@windsongpress.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2411 Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 14:43:30 +0100 From: "Keith Marr" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: World cup Message-ID: <005301c20c96$fef6a580$d13a86d9@tiny> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ?The Japanese think the trombone is an offensive weapon? Yeees! Recognition at last! Keith in Bb/F/D ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Green" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 12:54 AM Subject: World cup > Yes, there really is trombone-related content in this news report from > Japan. > > > > ++++++++++++++ > > > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2411--