TROMBONE-L Digest 2391 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Mutes by "Adrian Drover" 2) Re: TROMBONE-L digest 2390 by "Jason Akai" 3) RE: Can't get Paul Tanner Book by Noreen Harris-Baer 4) RE: Lip Bruise by "Dennis Clason" 5) Re: Mutes by "Art Triggs" 6) Test by "Richard Johnson" 7) RE: Silent Brass by Gabriel Langfur 8) Trombone Wallpaper by bassboneman@hotmail.com 9) Re: Silent Brass by "Corliss" 10) RE: Silent Brass by Craig Parmerlee 11) Re: Silent Brass by "Steve Beck" 12) Re: Silent Brass by Peter Collins & Sara Wilbur 13) Re: Silent Brass by "Dr. Carole Nowicke, Applied Health Science" 14) Re: Silent Brass by Peter Collins & Sara Wilbur 15) Re: Silent Brass by Craig Parmerlee 16) RE: Silent Brass by jimandcat@juno.com 17) Re: Lip Bruise by jimandcat@juno.com 18) Trombone Catologs by BandBoy089 19) Re: Trombone Catologs by "Eric J. Stoneking" 20) Re: Silent Brass by "Corliss" 21) Lip Bruise by "Adrian Drover" 22) Re: Silent Brass by "Adrian Drover" 23) Stuff For Sale by "Dilshad Kasmani" ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2391 Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 17:59:40 +0100 From: "Adrian Drover" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Mutes Message-ID: <00ad01c1fc32$0c776480$837e68d5@homel29g9mgyk9> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Pat and Joe Chapman" > Good morning, Good afternoon, > What is a Shastock mute Sort of straight harmon, but sounds totally different from either. > and > what would be a good substitute? Hmmmmmm, can I phone a friend? A. Adrian Drover ADIOS, Scotland www.adios.co.uk Personal email: adrian@adios.co.uk ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2391 Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 17:26:08 +0000 From: "Jason Akai" To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: TROMBONE-L digest 2390 Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed And if it does leak a bit, it only makes a slight sound, so the price for playing with too little pressure, is almost nothing. Can't you put some kind of apoxy or sealant on that? :-) Seriously though - what I would do to help the brusing is go for a walk for 30 minutes and drink 48-60 oz of water a day. You have these problems when your body has a circulation problem. Sure there's a chance you're pushing your mpc into the back of your throat might have something to do with it, but if you exersize and drink water, you promote your body's ability to heal and to keep itself healthy. My girlfriend used to bruse a lot from other things (Im dating outside of the Instrument, which is not quite like dating out of your religion...) and that helped her tremendously. I had a problem with my wrists and elbows locking up when I would play, and that prescription has also helped that problem too. I drink around 80oz (of Water...) a day. Take two of these and call me in the morning. Ciao Dr Jason _________________________________________________________________ Join the worldâs largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2391 Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 10:33:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Noreen Harris-Baer To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: RE: Can't get Paul Tanner Book Message-ID: <20020515173332.35612.qmail@web11005.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Since everyone is talking about Paul Tanner's books, can anyone please tell me about him? Did he teach at UCLA? When did he retire? What is he doing now? I am curious, because I aquired a library of music that includes several of his compositions and arrangements for trombone that were supposedly done by his students for assignments in school. If anyone out there can furnish information...I have been curious for years! Thanks, Noreen ===== Dr. Noreen Harris-Baer Professor of Trombone, Univesity of Wisconsin, Milwaukee O-(414)229-2665 H-(414)354-3294 C-(414)331-6673 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2391 Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 11:49:26 -0600 From: "Dennis Clason" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: Lip Bruise Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Maybe someone with real medical knowledge can correct me if > I'm wrong, but as I understand it, the best way to promote > healing is to increase circulation to the affected area. > When I had problems from overplaying, Ray Premru used to > tell me to play some soft long tones, incorporating soft > legato articulations, on an easy note that has a little > resistance, like B on the valve. That seemed to help get > blood to the area without causing more pain. > > Then rest. With bruises, the goal is always to reduce the swelling (a/k/a edema). This requires a two-pronged treatment, one immediately after the injury, the second following. The immediate first aid involves reducing blood flow to the affected area, that is, ice it down. By reducing the blood flow you reduce the swelling in the injured area. Once things have sealed off (say, the next day) you want to increase the blood flow, which will help reduce the edema. So the next day, start using warm compresses, or a washcloth soaked in warm (as warm as you can stand) water. Ice won't do any good unless you apply it immediately after the injury. Nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (ibuprofen or naproxen) might help -- I'm not sure what the jury has to say about them and soft tissue injuries. For sure, they help with joint injuries. The best treatment for these sorts of injuries is prevention: get your horn up to your chops in plenty of time, don't do stupid drum corps tricks like flipping your instrument into position, don't play with so much pressure that you're shoving the mouthpiece through your incisors. And on, and on. Dennis -- Dennis L. Clason, Ph.D. Associate Professor University Statistics Center New Mexico State University ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2391 Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 14:42:47 EST From: "Art Triggs" To: Walter Barrett , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Mutes Message-ID: <3ce2ac27.efb9.0@bestweb.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Shastock was a brand name, don't know if it was a manufacturer, or but the solotone, and some other mutes (had a whispa mute,solotone,cup mute & straight mute from them.)came from that brand.As I recall they weren't all that great ...... hth Art >Thus spake, not Zarathustra, but Pat and Joe Chapman... > >> Good morning, >> What is a Shastock mute and >> what would be a good substitute? >> Thanks, >> Pat >> > >I believe this was a Brand name for the solotone-type mute. These days, the >closest is the Humes and Berg Cleartone. >-- >Walter Barrett > >"Everything we know, you know." > -Enron CEO Kenneth Lay > > >Yamaha Artist/Clinician >Tenor, Alto, Bass Trombones >Euphonium >Bass Trumpet >Tuba > > > > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2391 Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 15:39:31 -0500 From: "Richard Johnson" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Test Message-ID: <000501c1fc50$9de1f8e0$19fb5141@zemry> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Testing **************************************************************************** ** Richard Zemry Johnson, Jr. "The Untouchables" Jazz Ensemble Shreveport Metropolitan Concert Band ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, , "There won't come a time when you won't have to practice anymore." J. J. Johnson **************************************************************************** ***** I'm not satisfied with anything about my playing. I know what I want. I can hear it; but it will take time and study to get it" -Sonny Rollins (1956) ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2391 Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 15:00:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Gabriel Langfur To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: Silent Brass Message-ID: <20020515220046.54770.qmail@web10301.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Craig Parmerlee wrote: > The > only drawback is > that it raises all the pitches by almost a half step. As > I don't have > perfect pitch, that doesn't bother me. > Hmm...let's explore this a little. When I use a practice mute, it's usually to warm up for something at a time or place when I can't make much noise. I don't have perfect pitch either, but it does bother me, quite a bit, to use a mute that raises the pitch. I feel like the pitches don't want to center correctly when I take the mute out, even if I compensated by pulling my tuning slide out while the mute was in. If the pitch feedback from the instrument is changing because of the mute, then the actual buzz at the lips is different from what we would normally want it to be. I don't see how that could NOT be harmful to the balance of the embouchure, even if only a tiny bit. When I have to use a practice mute, I definitely get the best results from one that keeps the pitch consistent. The best mute I have ever tried in that sense was one I made myself from a Tom Crown aluminum bass trombone straight mute. Unfortunately, I can't seem to find it lately... Thoughts? Gabe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2391 Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 19:16:13 -0500 From: bassboneman@hotmail.com To: "Trombone L" Subject: Trombone Wallpaper Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0000_01C1FC44.FAB9C9A0" Hi List, A few months ago, someone on the list asked about trombone-related desktop wallpaper. I've just placed some newÊwallpaper on the Edwards website: http://www.edwards-instruments.com/photos/ I will add more in the coming months. Josh http://www.edwards-instruments.com/ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2391 Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 19:34:02 -0500 From: "Corliss" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Silent Brass Message-ID: <003001c1fc71$60c65840$39cb5340@richard> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For anyone willing to do a little work I highly recommend making a Renuzit mute discussed early. The work involved is building up the small end of the Renuzit from an inch and an eighth diameter to, I discovered, and an inch and seven eighths. You want to use something like foam in order to get a snug fit. The more foam you add the lower the pitch becomes. You can thus determine the pitch by adjusting the diameter at the end of the mute. I think that this kind of thing would work on any practice mute, i.e., increasing the diameter where the mute fits into the bell will decrease the pitch. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gabriel Langfur" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 5:00 PM Subject: RE: Silent Brass > --- Craig Parmerlee wrote: > > The > > only drawback is > > that it raises all the pitches by almost a half step. As > > I don't have > > perfect pitch, that doesn't bother me. > > > > Hmm...let's explore this a little. When I use a practice > mute, it's usually to warm up for something at a time or > place when I can't make much noise. I don't have perfect > pitch either, but it does bother me, quite a bit, to use a > mute that raises the pitch. I feel like the pitches don't > want to center correctly when I take the mute out, even if > I compensated by pulling my tuning slide out while the mute > was in. > > If the pitch feedback from the instrument is changing > because of the mute, then the actual buzz at the lips is > different from what we would normally want it to be. I > don't see how that could NOT be harmful to the balance of > the embouchure, even if only a tiny bit. > > When I have to use a practice mute, I definitely get the > best results from one that keeps the pitch consistent. The > best mute I have ever tried in that sense was one I made > myself from a Tom Crown aluminum bass trombone straight > mute. Unfortunately, I can't seem to find it lately... > > Thoughts? > Gabe > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience > http://launch.yahoo.com > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2391 Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 19:30:56 -0500 From: Craig Parmerlee To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: RE: Silent Brass Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20020515192306.022989b0@acticalc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 03:00 PM 5/15/2002 -0700, Gabriel Langfur wrote: --- Craig Parmerlee wrote: If the pitch feedback from the instrument is changing because of the mute, then the actual buzz at the lips is different from what we would normally want it to be. I don't see how that could NOT be harmful to the balance of the embouchure, even if only a tiny bit. Yes, I suppose it would affect the balance. I play a different horn every day, so I don't depend very much on that precise level of muscle memory at the lips. I just expect to re-learn the horn in the first few minutes that I'm playing it. My main objective is to work on my fundamentals and to give the embouchure, diaphragm, and brain a semi-realistic exercise. All of the practice mutes interfere with the natural centering of the horn, so I don't have a very high expectation when I'm using the practice mute. If I can get my exercise, I'm happy. I look at it the way a batter goes to the on deck circle with two bats or a weighted "doughnut". You don't expect that to feel the same, but batters have no trouble at all adjusting to their normal swing as soon as they take off the doughnut. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2391 Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 20:35:33 -0400 From: "Steve Beck" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Silent Brass Message-ID: <006a01c1fc71$97afcf30$77320923@BecksComputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Gabriel Langfur" The best mute I have ever tried in that sense was one I made myself from a Tom Crown aluminum bass trombone straight mute. Unfortunately, I can't seem to find it lately... > Thoughts? Yes, look in your closet ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2391 Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 21:52:11 -0400 From: Peter Collins & Sara Wilbur Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Silent Brass Message-ID: <3CE310CB.D6CC677F@sympatico.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, I was following this discussion quite well and with moderate interest until mention of the "renuzit" mute came up. What the heck is it? Have I spent too much time practicing in my basement and not enough time following mute development? Peter Collins Bass Trombone Hamilton Philharmonic Orchestra Corliss wrote: > > For anyone willing to do a little work I highly recommend > making a Renuzit mute discussed early. The work involved is building up the > small end of the Renuzit from an inch and an eighth diameter to, I > discovered, and an inch and seven eighths. You want to use something like > foam in order to get a snug fit. The more foam you add the lower the pitch > becomes. You can thus determine the pitch by adjusting the diameter at the > end of the mute. > > I think that this kind of thing would work on any practice mute, i.e., > increasing the diameter where the mute fits into > the bell will decrease the pitch. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gabriel Langfur" > To: "Trombones and related issues forum." > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 5:00 PM > Subject: RE: Silent Brass > > > --- Craig Parmerlee wrote: > > > The > > > only drawback is > > > that it raises all the pitches by almost a half step. As > > > I don't have > > > perfect pitch, that doesn't bother me. > > > > > > > Hmm...let's explore this a little. When I use a practice > > mute, it's usually to warm up for something at a time or > > place when I can't make much noise. I don't have perfect > > pitch either, but it does bother me, quite a bit, to use a > > mute that raises the pitch. I feel like the pitches don't > > want to center correctly when I take the mute out, even if > > I compensated by pulling my tuning slide out while the mute > > was in. > > > > If the pitch feedback from the instrument is changing > > because of the mute, then the actual buzz at the lips is > > different from what we would normally want it to be. I > > don't see how that could NOT be harmful to the balance of > > the embouchure, even if only a tiny bit. > > > > When I have to use a practice mute, I definitely get the > > best results from one that keeps the pitch consistent. The > > best mute I have ever tried in that sense was one I made > > myself from a Tom Crown aluminum bass trombone straight > > mute. Unfortunately, I can't seem to find it lately... > > > > Thoughts? > > Gabe > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience > > http://launch.yahoo.com > > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2391 Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 20:54:59 -0500 (EST) From: "Dr. Carole Nowicke, Applied Health Science" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Silent Brass Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 15 May 2002, Peter Collins & Sara Wilbur wrote: > spent too much time practicing in my basement and not enough time > following mute development? Not enough time in the "domestics" area of your supermarket. It is an air freshener. I've often regretted not having an air freshener at rehearsals. Carole Nowicke cnowicke@indiana.edu ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2391 Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 22:12:40 -0400 From: Peter Collins & Sara Wilbur Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Silent Brass Message-ID: <3CE31598.DFE9DC05@sympatico.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, Now I am really lost. Is this a joke that is going completely over my head? How do you make an air freshener into a practice mute? Peter "Dr. Carole Nowicke, Applied Health Science" wrote: > > On Wed, 15 May 2002, Peter Collins & Sara Wilbur wrote: > > > spent too much time practicing in my basement and not enough time > > following mute development? > > Not enough time in the "domestics" area of your supermarket. It is an air > freshener. > > I've often regretted not having an air freshener at rehearsals. > > Carole Nowicke > cnowicke@indiana.edu ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2391 Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 22:02:36 -0500 From: Craig Parmerlee To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Silent Brass Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20020515215944.0229c600@acticalc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:12 PM 5/15/2002 -0400, Peter Collins & Sara Wilbur wrote: Now I am really lost. Is this a joke that is going completely over my head? How do you make an air freshener into a practice mute? Peter See http://www.dallasmusic.org/gearhead/Renuzit%20Practice%20Mute.html No joke. The Dial Corporation seems to have invented the perfect practice mute. The only problem is that they stick a hunk of smelly gel on it. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2391 Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 19:44:11 -0700 From: jimandcat@juno.com To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: RE: Silent Brass Message-ID: <20020515.195908.-266963.1.Jimandcat@juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Recently, I have gotten several of David Schartz's reissues of the Bordogni Vocalises. He published them in the original order, footnoted how Rochut changed them and included the original piano accompaniment (midi) on a CD. He did a fantastic job, both on the CD and the music, check out his website for more information. http://www.nyx.net/~dschwart 2 or 3 times a week I have time to practice but am in a situation where I do not want to be heard. I patched my CD into my Silent Brass (I hate it as a practice mute, I prefer the H & B for that, but it works okay, I only use Silent Brass with earphones and the electronics. I hate SB because it sharpens the pitch on a bass trombone a full 1/4 step, maybe it doesn't do that on tenor). Anyway, it is loads of fun. I plug in a 2nd set of headphones and have my students play along in the Silent Brass while I "conduct" (or more accurately, kabitz). All that I have done this with, say "This is cool!" --Jim Prindle, San Diego ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2391 Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 19:44:22 -0700 From: jimandcat@juno.com To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Lip Bruise Message-ID: <20020515.195908.-266963.2.Jimandcat@juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit All these posts on this subject have been excellent. Please let me add an anecdote that was told to me. Tried it and it works. My chops get tired after about the 8th hour of playing in a day (in my youth [college years] I did 14 of very hard playing). The next day they sometimes are like stiff leather after that much playing. Supposedly, a very famous screech/lead trumpeter (I won't use the name, in case I am not quite retelling the story correctly) would show up at the recording studio date at 8:00am and have no problem nailing every high note in the date, even after a 4 hour gig the night before. "How do you do that?", other players implored. "Do you get up early and warm up? Do you buzz your mouthpiece on the way in the car?" "No to all of that," he said. "This is my warmup. I stretch my top lip over my top teeth for about 5 seconds--bottom lip over bottom teeth--make the right corner of your mouth go as far left as possible for 5 seconds--then do the same with the left corner. That's the only warm-up I do" Now, this is not going to work with beginning, intermediate, and some advanced players who have not "paid their dues" in the practice room or in performance, but try it, works for me. Another thing (besides rest), that works real good is to just run your tongue in a circle on the inside of the labis orbis (big round lip muscle). Last summer, I had a week where I tried Sam Burtis's idea of leaving a mouthpiece in the freezer. I was doing 8 hours of playing during the day (teaching, practicing, gigging) and then off to play "A Chorus Line" at night (kind of a hard blow). When I got home, I pulled the mpc out the freezer and set it on my embouchure. Not only did it feel great then, the next day I felt fine. (one bit of advice, run the mpc under water a couple of seconds first to avoid the "stick") Thanks Sam. It is like putting ice on a sore muscle after any athletic activity. --Jim Prindle, San Diego ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2391 Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 22:33:05 -0500 From: BandBoy089 To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Trombone Catologs Message-ID: <3CE32871.8060209@ddci.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey All- Does anybody know of any good catalogs or magazines that I could subscribe to that relate to the trombone or music in general? thanks! -Matt (Tenor Trombonist) ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2391 Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 23:43:24 -0400 From: "Eric J. Stoneking" To: "Trombone-L Internet Mailing List" Subject: Re: Trombone Catologs Message-ID: <000701c1fc8b$d79abaa0$b0b07541@yourze8cxvr8tt> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yep. I'd begin with the International Trombone Association. Their quarterly journal is well worth the annual dues. Their website is http://www.ita-web.org/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "BandBoy089" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 11:33 PM Subject: Trombone Catologs > Hey All- > > Does anybody know of any good catalogs or magazines that I could > subscribe to that relate to the trombone or music in general? thanks! > > -Matt (Tenor Trombonist) > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2391 Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 23:34:25 -0500 From: "Corliss" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Silent Brass Message-ID: <002f01c1fc92$f5951ee0$39cb5340@richard> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 9:44 PM Subject: RE: Silent Brass >> 2 or 3 times a week I have time to practice but am in a situation where I > do not want to be heard. I patched my CD into my Silent Brass (I hate it > as a practice mute, I prefer the H & B for that, but it works okay, I > only use Silent Brass with earphones and the electronics. I hate SB > because it sharpens the pitch on a bass trombone a full 1/4 step, maybe > it doesn't do that on tenor). > Let me suggest that you wrap some weather stripping around the small end of the mute so that it does not go into the bell so far. It may take several layers of the stripping to bring the horn into tune. Make sure the seal is kept tight. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2391 Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 07:26:22 +0100 From: "Adrian Drover" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Lip Bruise Message-ID: <008201c1fca2$afd8d850$b4e468d5@homel29g9mgyk9> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Jason Akai" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Seriously though - what I would do to help the brusing is go for a walk for 30 minutes and drink 48-60 oz of water a day. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The bruising will disappear, but you will end up with sore feet and overworked kidneys. Try Guinness instead of water. This will take care of any iron deficiency you might have. Don't walk too close to a cell phone transmitter tho' else you may need to be demagnetized. The cure for this is long, tricky, expensive and dangerous. Can you not just live with bruised chops? A. Adrian Drover ADIOS, Scotland www.adios.co.uk Personal email: adrian@adios.co.uk ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2391 Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 07:26:31 +0100 From: "Adrian Drover" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Silent Brass Message-ID: <008301c1fca2$bf051f50$b4e468d5@homel29g9mgyk9> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Craig Parmerlee" > No joke. The Dial Corporation seems to have invented the perfect practice > mute. The only problem is that they stick a hunk of smelly gel on it. Yes, but if you don't like "Mountain Pine" or "Lakeside Lavender", they have just developed a new one called "Practice Room Pong". A. Adrian Drover ADIOS, Scotland www.adios.co.uk Personal email: adrian@adios.co.uk ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2391 Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 08:49:21 -0500 From: "Dilshad Kasmani" To: "JJ List" , "TboneCentral" , Subject: Stuff For Sale Message-ID: <015901c1fce0$83313ac0$c0cbbc3f@dkasmani3> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I will be listing these on the "Bay" next week if none of guys (or gals) buy them first. I should have some digital pictures this weekend. Conn 48H. s/n: 952947. This is an excellent Elkhart "Connstellation" from the 60's. It has a .500" bore light weight slide with a 8" nickel-silver bell and gooseneck. No dents, but a few minor dings. The lacquer is scratched in a number of spots, and the slide is very discolored. There is the usual wear at the contact points. The slide was set-up by the Slide Doctor (Dr. Upchurch) a few years ago, and is still in very good shape - its still fast abut doesn't feel quite as smooth as when the work was first done. It will come with an almost new Pro-Tech case. This has been my main horn for a number of years, so I'm a bit hesitant to sell it, but if I get an offer that I can't refuse.... Benge 170. s/n: 44 331400. This was Benge's pro .500" horn, and was probably a rebadged King 2B+. The horn has a 8" rose brass bell and light weight brass slide (no nickel oversleeves). This horn is in EXCELLENT condition. No dents, but it has maybe 2 or 3 very minor dings. The lacquer is 99% intact, with just the slightest wear on the slide's cross-bar. These is a bit of lacquer discoloration on the slide, which is not really noticeable, and what feels like a surface scratch running along the top of the slide tubes. The slide is dent free and works extremely well. Its fast with no hang-ups. It has its original case, which is in similarly excellent condition, except for missing the Benge badge on the lid. $500 Mt. Vernon Bach 7C. I had this gold-plated last year, and it has seen very little use since then. The rim and cup are in perfect shape, but there is just the slightest surface scratches on the shank. I don't know how to value old mouthpieces, but a similar piece sold on the Bay a few months ago for $175 if I remember correctly - so I guess the market is hot. I'll sell this one for $150. Giardinelli 5M. This is a two piece model with a gold plated rim, but I've never been able to get the pieces separated. It is marked New York, but I don't know if that gives any indication of its age. It is in excellent condition, with just a bit of wear of the rim's gold. It is about the same diameter as the Bach 7C, but with a flatter, sharper rim, and a shallower cup with a more open throat. $35. Bach 6.5 AL. This one is a bit beat, with a few dings on the rim and a worn shank that is out of round. $5. Shipping on the horns aught to be around $35. The mouthpieces should cost just a few bucks to ship. Contact me off the list if you are interested, or call me if you are in the Houston area.. Dilshad Kasmani dkasmani@mindspring.com 832-541-3405 ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2391--