TROMBONE-L Digest 2382 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re=3A_LA_Times=3A_Cuban_Trombone_Master's_Album_Signals_a_?= =?iso-8859-1?q?Dawning_D=E9tente?= by Steve Cordingley 2) RE: Performance tomorrow-New Mexico and BBtS by richardt@LEE.ARMY.MIL 3) Re: La Boheme stage band by Eric & Candice Swanson 4) Re: La Boheme stage band///pavoritti plays trombone by "D.J. Kennedy" 5) Re: La Boheme stage band by Dansatt@aol.com 6) Re: Braces and the Grammar Police by "Daniel Pliskin" 7) Re: Bill Tole and J. Dorsey Orchestra by aceftd@aztec.asu.edu (FRANK T. DARMIENTO) 8) Re: Performance tomorrow-New Mexico and BBtS by "Fred Hudson" 9) Re: Unsolicited Testimony by "Hector Bourg Jr." 10) Re: Unsolicited Testimony by "Keith Marr" 11) Re: Cellular Phone Warning by "Keith Marr" 12) Re: Cellular Phone Warning by "Keith Marr" 13) Re: La Boheme stage band by "Keith Marr" 14) RE: state of flux by Earl Needham 15) Getting old by Earl Needham 16) RE: Performance tomorrow-New Mexico and BBtS by Earl Needham 17) Re: Bill Tole and J. Dorsey Orchestra by Ralph Bigelow 18) RE: Unsolicited Testimony by "Bill Redgate" 19) Old Scratchy Recordings for public listening by "Dr. Carole Nowicke, Applied Health Science" 20) Old slide tuning horns by "Jeff Albert" 21) Re: Bill Tole and J. Dorsey Orchestra by "Steve Beck" 22) Microphones by BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com 23) RE: Microphones by "Tom Izzo" 24) Ergobone by Craig Parmerlee 25) Improvements by "Tom Izzo" 26) RE: Microphones by "Jeff Albert" 27) Can't get Paul Tanner Book by David Oliver 28) Re: Can't get Paul Tanner Book by "Gary D. Maxwell" 29) Re: Unsolicited Testimony by "Adrian Drover" 30) Re: Microphones by "Adrian Drover" 31) Re: Cellular Phone Warning by "Adrian Drover" 32) RE: state of flux by "Tom G Tyson" 33) Re: Can't get Paul Tanner Book by Earl Needham 34) RE: Can't get Paul Tanner Book by "Gary Maxwell" 35) RE: Can't get Paul Tanner Book by Earl Needham 36) Re: Mingus Big Band & J. Knepper by Steve Cordingley 37) ITF by 38) Re: ITF////mechanic available by "D.J. Kennedy" 39) Re: Microphones by David Buckley 40) Re: Ergobone by "Daniel Pliskin" 41) Re: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re=3A_LA_Times=3A_Cuban_Trombone_Master's_Album_Signals_a_?= =?iso-8859-1?q?Dawning_D=E9tente?= by Steve Cordingley 42) RE: state of flux by "Daniel Pliskin" 43) Re: Ergobone by "Peter W. Schroth" 44) Re: Microphones by Craig Parmerlee 45) Re: Old slide tuning horns by Steve Cordingley 46) J. Knepper////world of trombones //bill watrous report-- by "D.J. Kennedy" 47) Re: Can't get Paul Tanner Book by "Paul Hill" 48) Tantum Ergo Bone by "Chuck De Paolo" 49) Re: Unsolicited Testimony for "Veludo Negra" and "Mr. Nice Guy" by "Paul Hill" ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2382 Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 18:23:25 +0100 From: Steve Cordingley To: PCtrombone@aol.com Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Re: LA Times: Cuban Trombone Master's Album Signals a Dawning DŽtente Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1;format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In message <1aa.1d417e7.2a07f97c@aol.com>, PCtrombone@aol.com writes Amazon.com has Generoso Jimenez's new CD Que Bueno Toca Usted.Ê They must have some in stock because it is listed as ships in 24 hours. Thanks. I'll try the UK end again, maybe they've got it now. Steve ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2382 Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 13:33:39 -0400 From: richardt@LEE.ARMY.MIL To: dproctor@unm.edu, trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: RE: Performance tomorrow-New Mexico and BBtS Message-ID: <81F62454EA21B94EA95517180D7303730243FAAA@lee-is-102.lee.army.mil> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1F524.28902E50" You know, that's a great tune. It was performed at ETW this year and I enjoyed the playing immensely. It was introduced as a tune so familiar to all of us it needed no introduction. I think fortunately that's no longer true. I doubt the younger people in the crowd had heard it before or knew the words.Ê Have any of you thought about the words to this song lately? I'm not one for political correctness. Certainly there's a lot of garbage on the public airwaves much worse. But I do have some standards of good taste, and I have to say I just wouldn't program this one anymore. Maybe I'm getting too old! It might depend on the audience. On a bar gig, sure, especially if your band does some off-color stuff. For a general audience, I think not. This thing's close to Credo.Ê I hope you don't take this as a personal criticism, it is not intended that way. The tune has been a standard for decades at least, and this instrumental version is a really good arrangement. I doubt many of you have given two seconds thought to the meaning, and I'm not saying you shouldn't play it. Just list me as one person who wouldn't play it even if he could. Think I'm being too sensitive?Ê -----Original Message----- From: william david proctor [mailto:dproctor@unm.edu] Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2002 7:21 PM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Performance tomorrow-New Mexico I actually mentioned this a few weeks ago, but here's a reminder to those interested. I'll be performing Steven Frank's "Variations on Barnacle Bill, the Sailor" tomorrow (Monday) night at La Cueva High School in Albuquerque, NM. I'll be performing the bass trombone solo with the school Wind Ensemble, and I'll also be conducting part of the concert as I am the assistant band director at the school. The show starts at 6:30 pm (originally at 7, but we had to bump it up a little), so anyone in the area is welcome to attend. David Proctor bass trombone University of New Mexico ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2382 Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 12:53:58 -0500 From: Eric & Candice Swanson Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: La Boheme stage band Message-ID: <3CD6C335.D937BF54@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit richardt@LEE.ARMY.MIL wrote: > I have the chance to play the stage band with a La Boheme > production........... > Also, I don't have all the details, but I understand the pit orchestra > is paid and the stage band not. I'm curious as to how this is > normally handled. Richard, I have played in the Dallas Opera for many years. Any backstage parts here are played by professional, union players, and they are paid almost as much as the orchestra players, even if they might only play one note. It sounds funny, but a couple of the Wagner operas have "Steerhorn" parts where two trombonists are paid to play one note as loud as possible for a few seconds backstage and then go home. As someone suggested, if they are on stage, and in costume of course, they are paid slightly more for being costumed. Extra players are covered by the orchestra's contract. I know all the other major opera companies would have pretty much the same policy, Met, San Francisco, Chicago, etc. The musicians union would not allow non-union players in most cases. Eric Swanson ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2382 Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 15:13:45 -0500 From: "D.J. Kennedy" To: richardt@LEE.ARMY.MIL Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." , eeearly Anderson , Subject: Re: La Boheme stage band///pavoritti plays trombone Message-ID: <3CD6E3F8.A570237D@midwest.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------ED9B4E29D9D2682A3E26D996" sounds like fun !!!!!!!what a great story too !!!!!!mimi ------the overcoat duets -beautiful ---do it get some photos -----plaster the photos on your copies of rochut use the photos --forever ----this is your big chance and dont forget the cast parties tight pants --really clean shoes -------------um hum ------ great ors dheurves -------- richardt@LEE.ARMY.MIL wrote: I have the chance to play the stage band with a La Boheme production. I'm not familiar with this opera. I have seen it a couple of times but it has been many years, and I didn't even remember that there was a stage band. Has anyone played this one and can give me some insight on what's involved? Also, I don't have all the details, but I understand the pit orchestra is paid and the stage band not. I'm curious as to how this is normally handled. The logistics are fairly difficult for me, long travel and a number of performances, or I'd be leaping at the chance regardless of pay. As an amateur though I'm always sensitive to taking pay away from a pro who needs it. I don't like to ever do a freebie that hurts someone else. - ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2382 Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 14:34:51 EDT From: Dansatt@aol.com To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: La Boheme stage band Message-ID: <155.d80e9bb.2a0826cb@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_155.d80e9bb.2a0826cb_boundary" Richard: The stage band in La Boheme appears in the second act, after Musetta's aria (one of the more famous tunes in the opera). ÊAccording to the score, the band consists of 4 piccolos (two parts), 6 trumpets (playing 2 parts) and 6 side drums (tuned to Bb...good luck!). ÊIt plays for about 16 bars at one point, hangs out a little while, and exits playing almost at the end of the act. ÊNo trombones anywhere except for four in the pit. Ê(Insert Faye Dunaway's voice from Mommy Dearest here saying, "No TUBAS in PUCCINI!" ) I imagine that you would either be asked to play one of the trumpet parts (they're in Bb, so you could read it like tenor clef) or just fake it and look good in a band uniform while the flutes and trumpets in the pit actually play. ÊIn any case, I agree with Eric...you should be paid for your participation. ÊI've played lots of opera, from regional companies to major ones, and I've never played one where extra musicians were used on! stage or off, and not paid. ÊConsidering the hassle of you getting to the job, and the lack of trombone parts in the band, you might want to pass on this one! ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2382 Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 18:44:54 +0000 From: "Daniel Pliskin" To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Braces and the Grammar Police Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed However, I will only accept being called a punk by folks at least 25-30 years older than me!!! Walter, Did I call you a punk? Gee, Iâm really sorry, what I really meant to say was ãwhat a lovely day it is today, isnât it?ä Funny thing·I may actually be old enough to call you that horrid ãPä word. You see, until the age of 11 we always celebrated my birthday on April 20th. Then I found my birth certificate and it says that I was born on April 22d. Since then, Iâve had two birthdays. And at two birthdays every year, that would make me 108 years old. Iâm pretty immature for 108 years of age, I must admit. DanP _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2382 Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 11:47:43 -0700 (MST) From: aceftd@aztec.asu.edu (FRANK T. DARMIENTO) To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Bill Tole and J. Dorsey Orchestra Message-ID: <200205061847.LAA13205@aztec2.asu.edu> > >List Members: > >I had the pleasure of hearing the great trombonist, Bill Tole, last evening, >leading the Jimmy Dorsey Orchestra here in Springfield OH, at Kuss >Auditorium. For those of you who might not be familiar with Bill Tole, he is >a wonderful Dorsey-style trombonist, with a high register that just will not >quit! When not gigging with and leading the J. Dorsey Band, he lives and >works in LA. > >If Bill comes to your area, please go and hear him, as you will not find a >better Dorsey-styled trombone player. > > >Denny Seifried >Bass Trombone-Springfield (OH) Symphony & Dayton Jazz Orchestra >Adjunct Trombone-Wittenberg Univ. Dept. of Music More trivia on Bill Toll - he played Tommy Dorsey (and played the TD trombone parts) in the movie New York, New York. I got a chance to play with Bill with the Tex Beneke band a decade or two ago and more recently with him fronting the Benny Goodman band here in the Phoenix area. And yes, he plays great! -- Frank T. Darmiento (e-mail: aceftd@aztec.asu.edu) Scottsdale, Arizona ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2382 Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 14:13:02 -0500 From: "Fred Hudson" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Performance tomorrow-New Mexico and BBtS Message-ID: <006001c1f532$0c606b60$3b1298d8@s0024172501> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_005D_01C1F508.2229E900" I'm reminded of the little schoolÊgirl who complained to her teacher that Johnny was always whistling dirty tunes. :>D ----- Original Message ----- From: richardt@LEE.ARMY.MIL To: Trombones and related issues forum. Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 12:33 PM Subject: RE: Performance tomorrow-New Mexico and BBtS You know, that's a great tune. It was performed at ETW this year and I enjoyed the playing immensely. It was introduced as a tune so familiar to all of us it needed no introduction. I think fortunately that's no longer true. I doubt the younger people in the crowd had heard it before or knew the words.Ê Have any of you thought about the words to this song lately? I'm not one for political correctness. Certainly there's a lot of garbage on the public airwaves much worse. But I do have some standards of good taste, and I have to say I just wouldn't program this one anymore. Maybe I'm getting too old! It might depend on the audience. On a bar gig, sure, especially if your band does some off-color stuff. For a general audience, I think not. This thing's close to Credo.Ê I hope you don't take this as a personal criticism, it is not intended that way. The tune has been a standard for decades at least, and this instrumental version is a really good arrangement. I doubt many of you have given two seconds thought to the meaning, and I'm not saying you shouldn't play it. Just list me as one person who wouldn't play it even if he could. Think I'm being too sensitive?Ê -----Original Message----- From: william david proctor [mailto:dproctor@unm.edu] Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2002 7:21 PM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Performance tomorrow-New Mexico I actually mentioned this a few weeks ago, but here's a reminder to those interested. I'll be performing Steven Frank's "Variations on Barnacle Bill, the Sailor" tomorrow (Monday) night at La Cueva High School in Albuquerque, NM. I'll be performing the bass trombone solo with the school Wind Ensemble, and I'll also be conducting part of the concert as I am the assistant band director at the school. The show starts at 6:30 pm (originally at 7, but we had to bump it up a little), so anyone in the area is welcome to attend. David Proctor bass trombone University of New Mexico ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2382 Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 15:47:03 -0400 From: "Hector Bourg Jr." To: "Bone List" Subject: Re: Unsolicited Testimony Message-ID: <016c01c1f536$cc0abf20$22533842@hn9nz49oeloz7b> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Redgate" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 6:12 AM Subject: Unsolicited Testimony > I've been trying to send this for a few days now, so please pardon if it > looks like a forward - I'm too lazy to re write it again. > > I just wanted to take a minute to inform the list of an extremely positive > experience I have had with obtaining a chart recently. I bought a chart ( > Veludo Negra) from Adrian Driver's Website. I just got the opportunity to > play it last night with a band and Man> what a sweet tune! Everybody in > the band loved it! Given Recent threads here, I suppose I have to admit > that I was sitting in the Sax section last night and not the Trombone > section. The Bass Trombone Feature was more than ably handled and the piece > quite well received. Lister Hector ( Butch) Bourg can provide a second to > this opinion if any of you should doubt me. I will second Bill's comments with enthusiasm! Bill brought the chart by our rehearsal last week and EVERYBODY loved it. Very hip harmonies...tasty chart and well worth buying. It is definitely on our "To Buy" list. Absolutely well done Sir Adrian! **************************************************************************** *** Hector "Butch" Bourg Jr. - Graphic and Web Design - Atlanta, GA Trombonist - Sentimental Journey Orchestra - http://www.thesjo.com ** NOW CELEBRATING TWENTY-SIX SWINGIN' YEARS ** **************************************************************************** *** PLEASE UPDATE your e-dress for me to: sackbutt@attbi.com **************************************************************************** *** > > Also notable is the fine product presented by Adrian. Great parts, ac > complete score and not a discernable error anywhere in the chart! Now > that's something that doesn't happen very often. Charts of this quality and > this price would go a long way to eliminate the "Piracy" issue that has > lately filled these pages. > > In short, if you're looking for charts, check out Adrian's page. I've > found at least one ( can't wait for my chance to play "Mr. Nice Guy") and > will be trying some others soon! > > > Bill Redgate > Trombone > Tuba Trumpet and > yes, > > > Sax & Clarinet > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2382 Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 20:12:16 +0100 From: "Keith Marr" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Unsolicited Testimony Message-ID: <00b201c1f536$158ebe40$eb4986d9@tiny> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I would like to back up what's been said here. I bought Veludo Negra and Mr Nice Guy from Adrian recently and they have been received positively in both big bands I play in. If you haven't tried Mr Nice Guy please do, it's a smooth ballad with a nice juicy pedal C at the end (says "optional" on the part - comes over as a challenge to me!). For anyone that's wondering, Adrian tells me that Veludo Negra means Black Velvet. It's the nearest he can get in Portuguese to Guinness. Although it's not the nearest you can get to Guinness in Portugal. I remember a nice cool coupla pints in Oporto a few years back . . . . . . sorry, drifted off there! Keith in Bb/F/D ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Redgate" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 11:12 AM Subject: Unsolicited Testimony > I've been trying to send this for a few days now, so please pardon if it > looks like a forward - I'm too lazy to re write it again. > > I just wanted to take a minute to inform the list of an extremely positive > experience I have had with obtaining a chart recently. I bought a chart ( > Veludo Negra) from Adrian Driver's Website. I just got the opportunity to > play it last night with a band and Man> what a sweet tune! Everybody in > the band loved it! Given Recent threads here, I suppose I have to admit > that I was sitting in the Sax section last night and not the Trombone > section. The Bass Trombone Feature was more than ably handled and the piece > quite well received. Lister Hector ( Butch) Bourg can provide a second to > this opinion if any of you should doubt me. > > Also notable is the fine product presented by Adrian. Great parts, ac > complete score and not a discernable error anywhere in the chart! Now > that's something that doesn't happen very often. Charts of this quality and > this price would go a long way to eliminate the "Piracy" issue that has > lately filled these pages. > > In short, if you're looking for charts, check out Adrian's page. I've > found at least one ( can't wait for my chance to play "Mr. Nice Guy") and > will be trying some others soon! > > > Bill Redgate > Trombone > Tuba Trumpet and > yes, > > > Sax & Clarinet > > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2382 Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 20:13:46 +0100 From: "Keith Marr" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Cellular Phone Warning Message-ID: <00b301c1f536$1668f1a0$eb4986d9@tiny> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for the tip mate! Keith in Bb/F/D with a pint in his hand (now I know why the ergobone would prove useful!) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adrian Drover" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 7:46 AM Subject: Re: Cellular Phone Warning > > From: "Daniel Pliskin" > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > You're talking people, so mindless that they can't remember to put their > phones on vibrate. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > But even if a concert goer is carrying their vibrator phone in their trouser > pocket, the performance could well be interrupted by heavy breathing. > > A. > > Adrian Drover > ADIOS, Scotland www.adios.co.uk > Personal email: adrian@adios.co.uk > > > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2382 Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 20:04:21 +0100 From: "Keith Marr" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Cellular Phone Warning Message-ID: <00b101c1f536$14d61ca0$eb4986d9@tiny> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hear, hear!!! I'm right there with you mate! You'll notice the calls are usually about something trivial ("no, dear, it's in bathroom cabinet, call me back if you can't find it"). Keith in Bb/F/D ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Waage" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 5:10 AM Subject: Cellular Phone Warning > The next time I create a program for a concert, it will have a simple warning: > > "Should your cellular phone should ring during the performance, we > will bow to your obvious importance and stop our performance in order > to give you total silence in which to receive your call." > > This evening, during a rather quiet section of the Rutter "Gloria", > the performers and audience were treated to the mindless musical > tripe of someone's cellular phone playing a lovely tune. > > For cryin' out loud, if you're so important that you can't turn the > pager or cell phone off for an hour or so, you need to move into your > office and cut all ties with the outside world (and this is from > someone who is on 24/7 call, but makes arrangements to have calls > covered during performances). > > Chris > -- > ________________________________________________ > Chris Waage, Associate Webmaster chris@trombone.org > http://www.trombone.org - A web site for trombonists > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2382 Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 20:19:18 +0100 From: "Keith Marr" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: La Boheme stage band Message-ID: <00b501c1f536$1ba63100$eb4986d9@tiny> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0079_01C1F53B.4CBB3F60" Played it a few years back, can't remember any pitfalls (no pun intended). Don't understand the pay angle, never come across that, is it an amateur operatice group? That could be why. Keith in Bb/F/D ----- Original Message ----- From: richardt@LEE.ARMY.MIL To: Trombones and related issues forum. Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 2:38 PM Subject: La Boheme stage band I have the chance to play the stage band with a La Boheme production. I'm not familiar with this opera. I have seen it a couple of times but it has been many years, and I didn't even remember that there was a stage band.Ê Has anyone played this one and can give me some insight on what's involved?Ê Also, I don't have all the details, but I understand the pit orchestra is paid and the stage band not. I'm curious as to how this is normally handled. The logistics are fairly difficult for me, long travel and a number of performances, or I'd be leaping at the chance regardless of pay. As an amateur though I'm always sensitive to taking pay away from a pro who needs it. I don't like to ever do a freebie that hurts someone else.Ê - ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2382 Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 14:22:19 -0600 From: Earl Needham To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: RE: state of flux Message-ID: <4.2.2.20020506142203.0181d128@pop3.norton.antivirus> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:11 AM 5/6/2002 -0500, Dr. Carole Nowicke, Applied Health Science wrote: On Mon, 6 May 2002, Daniel Pliskin wrote: > I, for one, am in a constant state of flux, as to whether "flux" should > remain a term, used to indicate a field or a flow, or be allowed to refer to > a change. Maybe they're thinkin' 'bout solder flux... Acid or rosin? E. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2382 Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 14:23:20 -0600 From: Earl Needham To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Getting old Message-ID: <4.2.2.20020506142257.00b5f928@pop3.norton.antivirus> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 12:23 PM 5/6/2002 -0400, Walter Barrett wrote: "Don't get old, you won't like it." -Arnold Jacobs The alternative sure stinks, though! E. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2382 Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 14:28:14 -0600 From: Earl Needham To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: RE: Performance tomorrow-New Mexico and BBtS Message-ID: <4.2.2.20020506142712.00b5f928@pop3.norton.antivirus> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 01:33 PM 5/6/2002 -0400, richardt@LEE.ARMY.MIL wrote about "Barnacle Bill the Sailor": I hope you don't take this as a personal criticism, it is not intended that way. The tune has been a standard for decades at least, and this instrumental version is a really good arrangement. I doubt many of you have given two seconds thought to the meaning, and I'm not saying you shouldn't play it. Just list me as one person who wouldn't play it even if he could. Think I'm being too sensitive? Yes, I think so, but you might think I'm being too INsensitive. After all, taste is an individual thing. Earl Earl Needham, KD5XB, Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk KD5XB-2>APW251,PCSAT-1*:=3425.83N/10313.55W-PHG7150/WinAPRS 2.5.1 -EARL_CLOVIS -251-<630> Did you get a letter from Nigeria offering a "deal"? See http://home.rica.net/alphae/419coal/ and http://www.crimes-of-persuasion.com/Crimes/Business/nigerian.htm ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2382 Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 13:34:40 -0700 From: Ralph Bigelow To: "Trombones and related issues forum." , ddsbstrb@voyager.net Subject: Re: Bill Tole and J. Dorsey Orchestra Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" You can read about Bill Tole at http://boneswest.org/bill_tole.htm. The page also has a photo of Bill in the role of Tommy Dorsey for the movie "New York, New York." Ralph Bigelow BonesWest 05/05/2002 5:40:52 PM, "Denny Seifried" wrote: >List Members: > >I had the pleasure of hearing the great trombonist, Bill Tole, last evening, >leading the Jimmy Dorsey Orchestra here in Springfield OH, at Kuss >Auditorium. For those of you who might not be familiar with Bill Tole, he is >a wonderful Dorsey-style trombonist, with a high register that just will not >quit! When not gigging with and leading the J. Dorsey Band, he lives and >works in LA. > >If Bill comes to your area, please go and hear him, as you will not find a >better Dorsey-styled trombone player. > > >Denny Seifried >Bass Trombone-Springfield (OH) Symphony & Dayton Jazz Orchestra >Adjunct Trombone-Wittenberg Univ. Dept. of Music > > > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2382 Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 17:17:33 -0400 From: "Bill Redgate" To: "Keith Marr" Cc: "Post to Trombone List" Subject: RE: Unsolicited Testimony Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Keith; I have to admit I bought Mr. Nice Guy too. I hate it about myself , but I am holding that one back for a night when I am playing Bass Bone. The other day I was on Tenor Sax - Tonight it is Bari Sax. Someday... but I have played it by myself in my living room and second your opinion - Schweet! Well worth the meagre pittance I paid for it! Bill Redgate -----Original Message----- From: Keith Marr [mailto:mail@gothicway.fsnet.co.uk] Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 15:12 To: billredgate@ATTBI.com; Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Re: Unsolicited Testimony I would like to back up what's been said here. I bought Veludo Negra and Mr Nice Guy from Adrian recently and they have been received positively in both big bands I play in. If you haven't tried Mr Nice Guy please do, it's a smooth ballad with a nice juicy pedal C at the end (says "optional" on the part - comes over as a challenge to me!). For anyone that's wondering, Adrian tells me that Veludo Negra means Black Velvet. It's the nearest he can get in Portuguese to Guinness. Although it's not the nearest you can get to Guinness in Portugal. I remember a nice cool coupla pints in Oporto a few years back . . . . . . sorry, drifted off there! Keith in Bb/F/D ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Redgate" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 11:12 AM Subject: Unsolicited Testimony > I've been trying to send this for a few days now, so please pardon if it > looks like a forward - I'm too lazy to re write it again. > > I just wanted to take a minute to inform the list of an extremely positive > experience I have had with obtaining a chart recently. I bought a chart ( > Veludo Negra) from Adrian Driver's Website. I just got the opportunity to > play it last night with a band and Man> what a sweet tune! Everybody in > the band loved it! Given Recent threads here, I suppose I have to admit > that I was sitting in the Sax section last night and not the Trombone > section. The Bass Trombone Feature was more than ably handled and the piece > quite well received. Lister Hector ( Butch) Bourg can provide a second to > this opinion if any of you should doubt me. > > Also notable is the fine product presented by Adrian. Great parts, ac > complete score and not a discernable error anywhere in the chart! Now > that's something that doesn't happen very often. Charts of this quality and > this price would go a long way to eliminate the "Piracy" issue that has > lately filled these pages. > > In short, if you're looking for charts, check out Adrian's page. I've > found at least one ( can't wait for my chance to play "Mr. Nice Guy") and > will be trying some others soon! > > > Bill Redgate > Trombone > Tuba Trumpet and > yes, > > > Sax & Clarinet > > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2382 Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 16:57:54 -0500 (EST) From: "Dr. Carole Nowicke, Applied Health Science" To: Trombone-l Subject: Old Scratchy Recordings for public listening Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Posted on the archives list with a request to distribute... The second new American Memory collection is Emile Berliner and the Birth of the Recording Industry. Available at , the collection is a selection of more than 400 items from the Emile Berliner Papers and 108 Berliner sound recordings from the Library of Congress's Motion Picture, Broadcasting and Recorded Sound Division. Berliner (1851-1929), an immigrant and a largely self-educated man, was responsible for the development of the microphone, the flat recording disc and the gramophone player. Although the focus of this online collection is on the gramophone and its recordings, it includes much evidence of Berliner's other interests, such as information on his businesses, his crusades for public-health issues, his philanthropy, his musical composition, and even his poetry. Spanning the years 1870 to 1956, the collection comprises correspondence, articles, lectures, speeches, scrapbooks, photographs, catalogs, clippings, experiment notes, and rare sound recordings. ... There are only a few Sousa Band and Arthur Pryor selections. ... Now I need to talk to the nice lady from the Digitization Project and get permission to use an item in a lecture... Carole Nowicke cnowicke@indiana.edu ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2382 Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 16:59:58 -0500 From: "Jeff Albert" To: "Trombones and related Forum." Subject: Old slide tuning horns Message-ID: <008a01c1f549$5d5b8060$45269d42@jeff> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A few weeks ago, I got the itch to try to find a tuning in the slide horn, so I went ebay searching. I was a bit more successful than I anticipated, and ended up with two. One is a 1926 Conn 18H is pretty good shape, and I will probably keep that one. The other is an F.E. Olds, serial # 843, which puts it about 1917. It is the medium bore model with a 7 in. bell. http://rouses.net/trumpet/olds27/olds1927.htm is a link to an old Olds catalogue that has some cool info. Everything on it moves, but it has some dents, and the slide is significantly out of alignment. The external plating is in pretty good shape, but there is quite a bit of plating wear in the inner slide. It is old enough that it has no slide lock, and the bell/slide connection is a friction fit. It has the original case. I thought I would see if anyone here is interested in a fixer upper, before I fixed her up. Email me with questions or offers if you are interested. Jeff Albert www.jeffalbert.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2382 Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 19:37:27 -0400 From: "Steve Beck" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Bill Tole and J. Dorsey Orchestra Message-ID: <003901c1f556$fda18c60$1c320923@cl.msu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Ralph Bigelow" The page also has a photo of Bill in the role of Tommy Dorsey for the movie "New York, New York." Thanks for the page Ralph. If it weren't for the mouthpiece you'd swear it was Dorsey. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2382 Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 21:04:35 EDT From: BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Microphones Message-ID: <194.6a16adb.2a088223@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lafayette, Indiana 4 May 2002. We have a local theatre which was built when stages and theatres were able to project sound to the second balcony from the stage without microphones. Maynerd Furgeson, played this venue Saturday night. Mic's were used instead of Acoustics.. So loud no one could really enjoy. beldon wade ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2382 Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 22:22:37 -0500 From: "Tom Izzo" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: Microphones Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Beldon, I really hate to tell you this but... >Maynerd Furgeson, played this venue Saturday night. Mic's were used instead >of Acoustics.. >So loud no one could really enjoy. But them "dang" microphones, ain't the problem. It's the over amplification & the hard driving speakers. You could have 1,000 microphones, but if the amps are off.................... :-) Couldn't resist. Tom ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2382 Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 22:45:36 -0500 From: Craig Parmerlee To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Ergobone Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20020506221728.02339530@acticalc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I have had an Alexandre F contrabass for a couple of years. I've always intended to become proficient (or at least marginally adequate) on the horn. I can play it, but it is such a load that I can never stand to practice it long enough to become good enough to play it in public. And even if I could play it well enough, it becomes very painful to hold more than about 10 minutes. The Ergobone seemed like a possible solution, so I ordered one. It arrived today. First I must say it is very well manufactured -- better than I expected. The concept is simplicity -- the best solutions often are the simple ones. I haven't had a long time to play with the Ergobone on the Alex yet, but it it clear to me that it completely changes the experience. Instead of concentrating on holding the beast I can now give my attention to making music. Without this device, it is practically impossible to use the second trigger. With the Ergobone, I can freely use the triggers. I particularly like the chest harness arrangement. At this point, I don't have a problem holding my normal bass trombone (I have always used extra support bars on that), but it is nice to know that the Ergobone is available in case I find that is too demanding in the future. If you have problems supporting a big horn, don't fight with the instrument. There are good ergonomic solutions available now, and the Ergobone is certainly right up there at the top of the list. Cheers, Craig ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2382 Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 23:33:00 -0500 From: "Tom Izzo" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Improvements Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Speaking of which................. I am remiss. Several months ago, I installed two of the Sauer braces on my Mirafone BBb Contra (the double slided behemoth). The instrument still weighs a ton, but let me tell you, it doesn't FEEL like it. Like I said at last year's ITF in Nashville, these braces make the Contra slot & feel like I'm playing a Tenor. These aren't for everyone, but it wouldn't hurt anyone to try them out. Next time you see Gary Greenhoe at ITF, ETW, or anywhere else, TRY OUT "the Brace". I played a rehearsal last night with Craig & others on the list, and after warming up on Alto, Tenor & Bass, doing most of the 1st half on Bass & Tenor, then picking up the Contra without ANY warmup, it was right "there". Slotted wonderfully. And on Contra, I do NOT use the rim I use for all the others. Tom ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2382 Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 23:41:06 -0500 From: "Jeff Albert" To: , "'Trombones and related issues forum.'" Subject: RE: Microphones Message-ID: <009f01c1f581$66f28280$45269d42@jeff> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am trying hard not to get suckered into this conversation again, but I am not being very successful obviously. Technology is not going away. We must learn to use it to our advantage. If we continue to fight technology, it will continue to be in the hands of rock and roll sound men, because we are too lazy, stubborn, or stupid to figure out how to make it work for us. Again, technology is not going away...just ask Petrillo. Jeff Albert www.jeffalbert.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu [mailto:owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu] On Behalf Of BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 8:05 PM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Microphones Lafayette, Indiana 4 May 2002. We have a local theatre which was built when stages and theatres were able to project sound to the second balcony from the stage without microphones. Maynerd Furgeson, played this venue Saturday night. Mic's were used instead of Acoustics.. So loud no one could really enjoy. beldon wade ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2382 Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 23:01:22 -0700 From: David Oliver To: Trombone List Subject: Can't get Paul Tanner Book Message-ID: <3CD76DB1.25F3060D@accessnetusa.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit OK, I need help again. I tried, but I can't seem to be able to order the Paul Tanner book (recently mentioned on the list) called "Sideman : Stories About The Band". I'm a big band fan, and have more than a few original versions of books on the topic including "The Big Bands", by George T. Simon and "Moonlight Serenade", by John Flower (this one's a bit more rare) and others. Heck, I've even got both the Glen Miller Band movies on video! I hope the book isn't out of print, as it's kind of scary if Amazon can't get it. They just canceled my order today. If anyone can't point me (and the rest of the list) to a source I'd certainly appreciate it. BTW, I plan on seeing Alex Iles this upcoming Saturday when he's down at Colorado College. I always appreciated the help he gave me (via e-mail!) on "growling" many moons ago. The "trombone day" down there will be my trombone festival for this year. I geeked out at the community band convention in Tyson's Corner near D.C. a couple of weeks ago, but there's always next year. I did meet Warren Barker though, and those of you who've played "summer" band music will know the name of that arranger. Arrgh, no Costa Rican trombone quartet performance this year! I guess I'll have to content myself with another CD. David Oliver Broomfield, Colorado USA Trombone, Denver Concert Band ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2382 Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 23:53:02 -0700 From: "Gary D. Maxwell" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Can't get Paul Tanner Book Message-ID: <000401c1f593$d6819a20$55525d3f@garymaxwell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "David Oliver" > OK, I need help again. I tried, but I can't seem to be able to order the > Paul Tanner book (recently mentioned on the list) called "Sideman : > Stories About The Band". ========================================================================== Don't know if this will help, but my book has the following: Pub. by, Hideomi Aoki Cosmo Space Co., Ltd. Minato-ku Tokyo 106-0031 Japan U.S. contact: Cosmo Space of America, Co., Ltd. 8800 Venice Blvd., PH401 Los Angeles, CA 90034 Fellow lister, Randy Fendrick, gave it to me as a Christmas gift. Maybe he can help out more. All the best, Gary Maxwell ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2382 Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 09:49:42 +0100 From: "Adrian Drover" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Unsolicited Testimony Message-ID: <005c01c1f5a4$507aeec0$a288fc3e@homel29g9mgyk9> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thank you Bill, Butch and Keith for your enthusiasm over my solo bass 'bone/big band charts of "Veludo Negra" and "Mr. Nice Guy". Just like to remind everyone that I also have a brass band version of "Mr. Nice Guy" which has been performed by Doug Yeo on his and Nick Hudson's new release "Two of a Mind". www.hudson66.freeserve.co.uk and www.yeodoug.com. Whatever your taste in music, there is something for everyone on this album and the solo and duet playing and Williams Fairy Band accompaniment directed by Thomas Wyss is out of this world. If you're into trombone choir music, "Mr. Nice Guy" was originally scored in solo + 5 and rhythm format for 'Bones West, dir. Ralph Bigelow. The composition is dedicated to hero of my youth and present day George Roberts. A. Adrian Drover ADIOS, Scotland www.adios.co.uk Personal email: adrian@adios.co.uk ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2382 Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 10:42:33 +0100 From: "Adrian Drover" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Microphones Message-ID: <00b501c1f5ab$988c5170$a288fc3e@homel29g9mgyk9> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Tom Izzo" > I really hate to tell you this but... > > >Maynerd Furgeson, played this venue Saturday night. Mic's were used > instead > >of Acoustics.. > > >So loud no one could really enjoy. > > But them "dang" microphones, ain't the problem. It's the over amplification > & the hard driving speakers. You could have 1,000 microphones, but if the > amps are off.................... :-) Couldn't resist. And not only that, but "Maynerd Furgeson" couldn't have been playing that theatre on Saturday night because it was Maynard Ferguson who was billed for that particular performance. Gocha! I out-pedanticized ya. Ooooooh, it feels great! Sorry Beldon, just getting my own back on Tom. :-) A. Adrian Drover ADIOS, Scotland www.adios.co.uk Personal email: adrian@adios.co.uk ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2382 Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 11:02:59 +0100 From: "Adrian Drover" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Cellular Phone Warning Message-ID: <00c701c1f5ae$72bf2a50$a288fc3e@homel29g9mgyk9> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Chris Waage" > The next time I create a program for a concert, it will have a simple warning: > > "Should your cellular phone should ring during the performance, we > will bow to your obvious importance and stop our performance in order > to give you total silence in which to receive your call." You're not being generous enough Chris. I think the death penalty should be introduced for anyone who carries an armed phone in ANY public place. It would be kinder and totally humane to offer them euphoniumasia. A. Adrian Drover ADIOS, Scotland www.adios.co.uk Personal email: adrian@adios.co.uk ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2382 Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 08:14:14 -0400 From: "Tom G Tyson" To: , "'Trombones and related issues forum.'" Subject: RE: state of flux Message-ID: <000801c1f5c0$b4edbdd0$32abbc3f@DD943111> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Probably Acid ... but then again, does brass maybe count as (a) Heavy Metal? - Tom Tyson -----Original Message----- From: Earl Needham Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 4:22 PM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: RE: state of flux At 10:11 AM 5/6/2002 -0500, Dr. Carole Nowicke, Applied Health Science wrote: >On Mon, 6 May 2002, Daniel Pliskin wrote: > > > I, for one, am in a constant state of flux, as to whether "flux" should > > remain a term, used to indicate a field or a flow, or be allowed to > refer to > > a change. > >Maybe they're thinkin' 'bout solder flux... Acid or rosin? E. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2382 Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 06:47:10 -0600 From: Earl Needham To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Can't get Paul Tanner Book Message-ID: <4.2.2.20020507064600.017e2ce8@pop3.norton.antivirus> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 11:53 PM 5/6/2002 -0700, Gary D. Maxwell wrote: Don't know if this will help, but my book has the following: U.S. contact: Cosmo Space of America, Co., Ltd. 8800 Venice Blvd., PH401 Los Angeles, CA 90034 http://www.telephoneguide.com/LA168500-video-production-services.ht http://www.telephoneguide.com/LA168500-video-production-services.htm gives a phone number of 310-287-2645 and the address is 8800 Venice Bl #PH401 Los Angeles, CA 90034 Earl Earl Needham, KD5XB, Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk KD5XB-2>APW251,PCSAT-1*:=3425.83N/10313.55W-PHG7150/WinAPRS 2.5.1 -EARL_CLOVIS -251-<630> Did you get a letter from Nigeria offering a "deal"? See http://home.rica.net/alphae/419coal/ and http://www.crimes-of-persuasion.com/Crimes/Business/nigerian.htm ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2382 Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 06:23:27 -0700 From: "Gary Maxwell" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: Can't get Paul Tanner Book Message-ID: <659829993461CA49942D1312DE343691830A3F@edcenmail1.bcsd.k12.ca.us> content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1F5CA.5FA05E28" Thanks Earl, Maybe, together, we will help line Dr. Tanner's pockets a mite. (:>)) All the best, Gary -----Original Message----- From: Earl Needham [mailto:needhame@yucca.net] Sent: Tue 5/7/2002 5:47 AM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Cc: Subject: Re: Can't get Paul Tanner Book At 11:53 PM 5/6/2002 -0700, Gary D. Maxwell wrote: > >Don't know if this will help, but my book has the following: > >U.S. contact: > >Cosmo Space of America, Co., Ltd. >8800 Venice Blvd., PH401 >Los Angeles, CA 90034 http://www.telephoneguide.com/LA168500-video-production-services.ht http://www.telephoneguide.com/LA168500-video-production-services.htm gives a phone number of 310-287-2645 and the address is 8800 Venice Bl #PH401 Los Angeles, CA 90034 Earl Earl Needham, KD5XB, Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk KD5XB-2>APW251,PCSAT-1*:=3425.83N/10313.55W-PHG7150/WinAPRS 2.5.1 -EARL_CLOVIS -251-<630> Did you get a letter from Nigeria offering a "deal"? See http://home.rica.net/alphae/419coal/ and http://www.crimes-of-persuasion.com/Crimes/Business/nigerian.htm ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2382 Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 07:32:57 -0600 From: Earl Needham To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: RE: Can't get Paul Tanner Book Message-ID: <4.2.2.20020507073222.017e2ce8@pop3.norton.antivirus> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 07:23 AM 5/7/2002 -0600, Gary Maxwell wrote: Thanks Earl, Maybe, together, we will help line Dr. Tanner's pockets a mite. (:>)) I wonder if "Practice With the Experts" is still available... Earl Earl Needham, KD5XB, Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk KD5XB-2>APW251,PCSAT-1*:=3425.83N/10313.55W-PHG7150/WinAPRS 2.5.1 -EARL_CLOVIS -251-<630> Did you get a letter from Nigeria offering a "deal"? See http://home.rica.net/alphae/419coal/ and http://www.crimes-of-persuasion.com/Crimes/Business/nigerian.htm ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2382 Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 14:38:33 +0100 From: Steve Cordingley To: Stephen M Jones , "'Trombones and related issues forum. '" Subject: Re: Mingus Big Band & J. Knepper Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed In message <3CD1DE14.4C898B55@bellatlantic.net>, Kenneth Jackson writes .Jimmy has been of poor health for the last year or so........he's currently staying with his daughter, Robin, in West Virginia........ He does have a trombone down there with him but I don't believe he's playing much (not one of his Bach 36's..either a Pan American or a Bach 16 that a friend lent him)..........last I saw him was Sept. or Oct. last year.....I believe he's been diagnosed with Parkinson's and Mrs. K can't take care of him by herself......We had thought he'd return this April, but he's not back yet. Ken Jackson Really sorry to read that but thanks for letting me know. I don't know why I should have made the leap but I picked up a recording he made in Holland recently and for some reason I got the idea he was still active. Steve C ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2382 Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 09:59:29 -0400 From: To: Trombone-L Subject: ITF Message-ID: Hi All, justaquick shameless plug! I will have a small repair setup at the Brook Mays booth in case anyone needs some small last minute adjustment or repair. Also, I have access to the UNT Repair shop in case there is need of more extensive repair. I'll be available through most of the festival, unfortunately this is during one of my most hectic times of the year with the public schools ending so I won't be there as much as I would like. Please stop by the booth and say Hi, if I'm not there please leave a message and I will make it a point to find or contact you as soon as I can. Thanks & see you at the festival. Eric Edwards bonearzt@mindspring.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2382 Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 11:09:42 -0500 From: "D.J. Kennedy" To: bonearzt@mindspring.com Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: ITF////mechanic available Message-ID: <3CD7FC45.56E26526@midwest.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit uuuuuh hey can you get this whiplash outta my slider ?????????????? and uuuu any pawn shopsaround ???duh can i use your expander --- whoops ----that looks like an egg ----------hey doc --breakfast !!!!!! slides and eggs !!!!!!!! bonearzt@mindspring.com wrote: > Hi All, justaquick shameless plug! > > I will have a small repair setup at the Brook Mays booth in case anyone needs some small last minute adjustment or repair. > Also, I have access to the UNT Repair shop in case there is need of more extensive repair. > I'll be available through most of the festival, unfortunately this is during one of my most hectic times of the year with the public schools ending so I won't be there as much as I would like. > Please stop by the booth and say Hi, if I'm not there please leave a message and I will make it a point to find or contact you as soon as I can. > > Thanks & see you at the festival. > Eric Edwards > bonearzt@mindspring.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2382 Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 10:51:55 -0400 From: David Buckley To: BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Microphones Message-ID: <3CD7EA0B.DF5C9EDC@sympatico.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Another potential member for my Ban the Mic's Society. Lots of things about dedicated jazz players baffle me but the use of mic's is the most puzzling. Dave. Dave. BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com wrote: > Lafayette, Indiana 4 May 2002. > > We have a local theatre which was built when stages and theatres were able to > project sound to the second balcony from the stage without microphones. > > Maynerd Furgeson, played this venue Saturday night. Mic's were used instead > of Acoustics.. > > So loud no one could really enjoy. > > beldon wade ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2382 Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 14:52:09 +0000 From: "Daniel Pliskin" To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Ergobone Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Back when·I made a gadget that worked somewhat like an Ergobone. It clipped to your belt (sorry gals) and supported the weight of the trombone. One thing I must (must?) warn yâall about. When youâre supporting the weight of a trombone with your arm, your muscles are tense and you donât much notice that youâre also resisting the friction of the slide. When the weight of the trombone is supported for you, you still have to resist the friction of the slide, and itâs an odd muscular activity, so itâs a bit disconcerting. DanP From: Craig Parmerlee Reply-To: craig@acticalc.com To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Ergobone Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 22:45:36 -0500 I have had an Alexandre F contrabass for a couple of years. I've always intended to become proficient (or at least marginally adequate) on the horn. I can play it, but it is such a load that I can never stand to practice it long enough to become good enough to play it in public. And even if I could play it well enough, it becomes very painful to hold more than about 10 minutes. The Ergobone seemed like a possible solution, so I ordered one. It arrived today. First I must say it is very well manufactured -- better than I expected. The concept is simplicity -- the best solutions often are the simple ones. I haven't had a long time to play with the Ergobone on the Alex yet, but it it clear to me that it completely changes the experience. Instead of concentrating on holding the beast I can now give my attention to making music. Without this device, it is practically impossible to use the second trigger. With the Ergobone, I can freely use the triggers. I particularly like the chest harness arrangement. At this point, I don't have a problem holding my normal bass trombone (I have always used extra support bars on that), but it is nice to know that the Ergobone is available in case I find that is too demanding in the future. If you have problems supporting a big horn, don't fight with the instrument. There are good ergonomic solutions available now, and the Ergobone is certainly right up there at the top of the list. Cheers, Craig _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2382 Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 15:24:07 +0100 From: Steve Cordingley To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Re: LA Times: Cuban Trombone Master's Album Signals a Dawning DŽtente Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1;format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In message <1aa.1d417e7.2a07f97c@aol.com>, PCtrombone@aol.com writes Amazon.com has Generoso Jimenez's new CD Que Bueno Toca Usted.Ê They must have some in stock because it is listed as ships in 24 hours. Well in one way I'm pleased - it means I'm not going potty - but in other ways I'm sad that it's as I thought - it's not there on the UK site. I can get the Generoso Jimenez El Trombon Majadero CD through Amazon UK but, as they'll make me wait 3 - 5 weeks (while they go to Bembe to get it I expect), I can get it direct from Bembe just as fast. Que Bueno Toca Usted, on the other hand, still isn't there. I've had this problem before and I know I just have to get a bit more organised and start getting things directly from the USA where feasible. I've had similar trouble this year locating (or not!) some Josh Roseman recordings. Anyway, thanks to everyone for helping, I think I'm going to be able to get these two anyway, although not from the UK. Steve C ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2382 Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 15:02:56 +0000 From: "Daniel Pliskin" To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: RE: state of flux Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed > I, for one, am in a constant state of flux, Probably Acid ... OK folks. This one might get a bit obscure. If youâre insinuating that it was probably all the ãacidä, that I did in the â60, that has me in a ãconstant state of fluxä, then you just may be right. I could go into a string of excuses and disclaimers, but what for. But what I will say is that ãI was stoned and I missed itä doesnât apply to the Î60s. If you werenât stoned in the Î60s, you missed it. DanP PS. As you can see, there are loads of ways to interpret any set of evidence. Your first interpretation isnât necessarily the most empowering or the most fun. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2382 Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 11:03:16 -0400 From: "Peter W. Schroth" To: craig@acticalc.com Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Ergobone Message-ID: <3CD7ECB4.DCAEA31@rh.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------52D814F8EAC7E872500D3DC0" I've been using an Ergobone for several months and I agree with everything said here. An instrument I couldn't hold in playing position for more than five minutes without pain is now easy to hold comfortably for as long as I like. Craig Parmerlee wrote: > > I have had an Alexandre F contrabass for a couple of years. I've always > intended to become proficient (or at least marginally adequate) on the > horn. I can play it, but it is such a load that I can never stand to > practice it long enough to become good enough to play it in public. And > even if I could play it well enough, it becomes very painful to hold more > than about 10 minutes. > > The Ergobone seemed like a possible solution, so I ordered one. It arrived > today. First I must say it is very well manufactured -- better than I > expected. The concept is simplicity -- the best solutions often are the > simple ones. I haven't had a long time to play with the Ergobone on the > Alex yet, but it it clear to me that it completely changes the > experience. Instead of concentrating on holding the beast I can now give > my attention to making music. Without this device, it is practically > impossible to use the second trigger. With the Ergobone, I can freely use > the triggers. I particularly like the chest harness arrangement. > > At this point, I don't have a problem holding my normal bass trombone (I > have always used extra support bars on that), but it is nice to know that > the Ergobone is available in case I find that is too demanding in the future. > > If you have problems supporting a big horn, don't fight with the > instrument. There are good ergonomic solutions available now, and the > Ergobone is certainly right up there at the top of the list. > > Cheers, > Craig Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="Schroth.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Peter W. Schroth Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Schroth.vcf" Attachment converted: Administrator:Schroth.vcf 1 (TEXT/R*ch) (0001303F) ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2382 Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 12:17:48 -0300 From: Craig Parmerlee To: davebuckley@sympatico.ca, "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Microphones Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20020507120829.00b24050@acticalc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Maynard with a mic is a really scary thought. It takes great earplugs to listen to him without a mic. I think we forget how loud many of these ensembles are acoustically. A local shopping center has been running a series of concerts by various local big bands on Friday nights this spring. I've played in a couple of them and run sound for the rest. The first night out, the manager of the center came up to me at the sound board insisting that I had to cut the volume down because the people working in the information booth nearby couldn't do their jobs. I pointed to the sound board that had all the mics shut off, and it was still too loud for me to talk with her at the sound table that was 80 feet from the stage. Of the 7 bands that played this series, only one played with any dynamics (other than FFFF). Unfortunately for me, I was on the stage that night so I didn't get to hear that effect from the audience. But you can see how the audience reacts. During the soft sections, they sit up with interest in their eyes. When you hit them with a powerful pop, it literally pushes them back in their chairs. It is like a roller coaster. The excitement comes from the changes, not from the speed. All the best. Craig At 10:51 AM 05/07/2002 -0400, David Buckley wrote: Another potential member for my Ban the Mic's Society. Lots of things about dedicated jazz players baffle me but the use of mic's is the most puzzling. Dave. Dave. BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com wrote: > Lafayette, Indiana 4 May 2002. > > We have a local theatre which was built when stages and theatres were able to > project sound to the second balcony from the stage without microphones. > > Maynerd Furgeson, played this venue Saturday night. Mic's were used instead > of Acoustics.. > > So loud no one could really enjoy. > > beldon wade ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2382 Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 16:18:34 +0100 From: Steve Cordingley To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Old slide tuning horns Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed In message <008a01c1f549$5d5b8060$45269d42@jeff>, Jeff Albert writes . It is the medium bore model with a 7 in. bell. http://rouses.net/trumpet/olds27/olds1927.htm is a link to an old Olds catalogue that has some cool info. I had a good time looking at that site Jeff - thanks for posting it. I don't suppose you or anyone else has any links up their sleeves to more contemporary Olds info? :Like the '70s? Thanks in anticipation. Steve C ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2382 Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 12:10:44 -0500 From: "D.J. Kennedy" To: steve@inside14.demon.co.uk Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." , "WRWatrous@aol.com" , Subject: J. Knepper////world of trombones //bill watrous report-- Message-ID: <3CD80A93.83F2B66@midwest.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit a trombone brother[dave gibson] has posted the latest news on the jazz corner -- whish none of you lames ever reeds anyway so i am stickin it onhere just in case the am coffee you are slurping is week--------- world of trombones spent three days of lip numbing jamorama and recording -personell included ------ dave gibson ----who has come out with a new lp ---uh -i mean cd --called maya --available directly from him -----but please dont askhim unless you have a king 4b you wanna sell cheep anyhoo----the trombonanza exxxxxxtravaganza featured catered meals a chef on a vacation from the netherlands invented a variety of dishes and limo service was provided by uncle tony/s cousin vince ---who is a big jazz fan and also he linded up lotsa evening gigs and entertainment at local publico and au private spots ----bill watros - waterous --i mean water------uuu you know who i mean ---he burned ---he blew ---he sang ---he jumped --- smoke was comin off his slide -----and fire was shootin outta the bell --- yyyeah super chop --has been cooking w his big band at the jazz bakery rudy garcia --who is in on the la scene via conditos -and bones west hits the bakery for bagels and bop -tanks -----ruuuuuuude !!!! and youse should outta listen up ok ----so when the lp i mean cd comes out youre gonna get a buncha copies -right - yeah and jimmy was ----he was so beauiful ---itwas like the thirdact of la boheme so hit barnes and noble --for dave''fridge''gibsons latest toot --- and get listen on your local jass station --word is its being spun at over 30 coast to coast----jazz stations [or else]-dave the newley wed wants to go on tour and needs some numbers ---hey --not that kinda numbers -some cd sales --duh - there was so many hot boneplayers in pittsburg they had to tie up the dogs !!!! bob brookmeyer got a new piano so biig and heavy that the birds outside have camped out in the trees to listento the bass notes but the piano was to biig to get into his gig bag so tony couldnt get him to pittsburg in time for the gig --and the parking[concession] was too tight for the semi maybe next time ...................... bb is coming to st louis soon ---we hope soon before the corn gets to high thank youse for your tension this has been the news from the hicks in the sticks Steve Cordingley wrote: > In message <3CD1DE14.4C898B55@bellatlantic.net>, Kenneth Jackson > writes > > >.Jimmy has been of poor health for the last year or > >so........he's currently staying with his daughter, Robin, in West > >Virginia........ He does have a trombone down there with him but I don't > >believe he's playing much (not one of his Bach 36's..either a Pan > >American or a Bach 16 that a friend lent him)..........last I saw him was > >Sept. or Oct. last year.....I believe he's been diagnosed with Parkinson's > >and Mrs. K can't take care of him by herself......We had thought he'd > >return this April, but he's not back yet. > >Ken Jackson > > Really sorry to read that but thanks for letting me know. I don't know > why I should have made the leap but I picked up a recording he made in > Holland recently and for some reason I got the idea he was still active. > > Steve C ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2382 Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 11:40:11 -0700 From: "Paul Hill" To: Cc: Subject: Re: Can't get Paul Tanner Book Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0001_01C1F5BB.F2284760" Hi Earl, I haven't seen "Practice With the Experts" since my college days (just a few years ago!) but "Practice With the Pro's" is now available. I have my copy in hand but there is no clue as to where I obtained it...I believe that I got the tip from Sam Burtis (he is a contributor). Might be worth an email to Sam... Best Regards, Paul Paul Hill Bass Tbn Newport, RI ----- Original Message ----- From: Earl Needham Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 6:34 AM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: RE: Can't get Paul Tanner Book At 07:23 AM 5/7/2002 -0600, Gary Maxwell wrote: >Thanks Earl, > >Maybe, together, we will help line Dr. Tanner's pockets a mite. (:>)) I wonder if "Practice With the Experts" is still available... Earl Earl Needham, KD5XB, Clovis, New Mexico DM84jk KD5XB-2>APW251,PCSAT-1*:=3425.83N/10313.55W-PHG7150/WinAPRS 2.5.1 -EARL_CLOVIS -251-<630> Did you get a letter from Nigeria offering a "deal"? See http://home.rica.net/alphae/419coal/ and http://www.crimes-of-persuasion.com/Crimes/Business/nigerian.htm ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2382 Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 11:48:11 -0400 From: "Chuck De Paolo" To: "Trombone List" Subject: Tantum Ergo Bone Message-ID: <011301c1f5de$978a4290$0200a8c0@ws2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit TANTUM ergo Sacramentum Veneremur cernui: Et antiquum documentum Novo cedat ritui: Praestet fides supplementum Sensuum defectui. or, translated: DOWN in adoration falling, Lo! the sacred Host we hail, Lo! oe'r ancient forms departing Newer rites of grace prevail; Faith for all defects supplying, Where the feeble senses fail. or, translated into ersatz-ergo-trombone-speak-ness-whatevah: DOWN in adoration falling, (ALL the People adore their Ergo Bone) Lo! the sacred Host we hail, (Yo! We praise the Ergo's inventor) Lo! oe'r ancient forms departing (We say GOODBYE to mangled left hands) Newer rites of grace prevail; (And learn a new ritual for holding the beast) Faith for all defects supplying, (Despite the odd way in which it feels) Where the feeble senses fail. (We no longer have numbness in our left wrists) Now, back to work... (please DON'T quote this message if you reply) In Music, ---Charles De Paolo General Manager & Webmaster Hickey's Music Center 104 Adams Street Ithaca, NY 14850 607.272.8262 (Phone) 607.272.2203 (Fax) chuck@hickeys.com (E-Mail) http://www.hickeys.com (Website) http://www.weather.com/weather/us/zips/14850.html (Weather) ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2382 Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 11:44:55 -0700 From: "Paul Hill" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Unsolicited Testimony for "Veludo Negra" and "Mr. Nice Guy" Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0002_01C1F5BC.9B93DC60" Oohh...me too, me too! I also have both of them and they are TERRIFIC!!! Nice work, Adrian! Best Regards, Paul Paul Hill Bass Tbn Newport, RI ----- Original Message ----- From: Adrian Drover Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 1:53 AM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Re: Unsolicited Testimony Thank you Bill, Butch and Keith for your enthusiasm over my solo bass 'bone/big band charts of "Veludo Negra" and "Mr. Nice Guy". Just like to remind everyone that I also have a brass band version of "Mr. Nice Guy" which has been performed by Doug Yeo on his and Nick Hudson's new release "Two of a Mind". www.hudson66.freeserve.co.uk and www.yeodoug.com. Whatever your taste in music, there is something for everyone on this album and the solo and duet playing and Williams Fairy Band accompaniment directed by Thomas Wyss is out of this world. If you're into trombone choir music, "Mr. Nice Guy" was originally scored in solo + 5 and rhythm format for 'Bones West, dir. Ralph Bigelow. The composition is dedicated to hero of my youth and present day George Roberts. A. Adrian Drover ADIOS, Scotland www.adios.co.uk Personal email: adrian@adios.co.uk ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2382--