TROMBONE-L Digest 2368 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) RE: An excuse, at last by "Gary Maxwell" 2) Re: An excuse, at last by "Tom C. Shaddox" 3) Re: An excuse, at last by emrose79@pacbell.net 4) RE: More on piracy by Gabriel Langfur 5) RE: An excuse, at last by richardt@LEE.ARMY.MIL 6) Re: An excuse, at last by MikeSuter@aol.com 7) RE: Low fat marches by "Marple, Richard L COL BAMC-Ft Sam Houston" 8) More on piracy by Robin Eubanks 9) Re: More on piracy by "Corliss" 10) =?us-ascii?Q?RE:_More_on_piracyRC?= by "Jon Moeller" 11) RE: More on piracyRC by "Jon Moeller" 12) Disney, Eisner, and the death of music by Craig Parmerlee 13) Renuzit by Craig Parmerlee 14) Re: Disney, Eisner, and the death of music by "D.J. Kennedy" 15) Motivation by "James W. Yardley" 16) Re: Renuzit by "Jerry Blomberg" 17) Re: Disney, Eisner, and the death of music by "Adrian Drover" 18) Re: Motivation by sabutin 19) Re: Motivation by "Art Triggs" 20) Re: Motivation by Jay Heltzer 21) Re: Renuzit by "Joe L. Norcross" 22) Re: Disney, Eisner, and the death of music by Craig Parmerlee 23) RE: Motivation by "Marple, Richard L COL BAMC-Ft Sam Houston" 24) Re: Renuzit by Craig Parmerlee 25) Re: Motivation by Craig Parmerlee 26) RE: Motivation by "Jeff Albert" 27) The Renuzit mute by richardt@LEE.ARMY.MIL 28) Smellybones by "Keith Marr" 29) RE: Smellybones by "Jeff Albert" 30) Re: The Renuzit mute by Craig Parmerlee 31) Re: Renuzit by "Daniel Pliskin" 32) Re: Smellybones by "Daniel Pliskin" 33) Re: Renuzit by "Todd Slothower" 34) Re: Renuzit by Craig Parmerlee 35) Re: Motivation by "Daniel Pliskin" 36) Link to Renuzit Mute Instructions by "Tim Skinner" ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2368 Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 10:05:41 -0700 From: "Gary Maxwell" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: An excuse, at last Message-ID: <659829993461CA49942D1312DE343691830A31@edcenmail1.bcsd.k12.ca.us> content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1EA1F.EEC1BCD2" From: Dick Sleeman [mailto:d.sleeman@hccnet.nl] >BUT........... as far as I know there is only ONE beer called HEINEKEN and, >apart from the spelling, it hails from The Netherlands and NOT from Germany >(although there are many German brands that are almost as good :-)). ===================================================== But, of course, and sorry for the misspelling, Heineken is not a German beer, but certainly better than any German beer I've had, and it was a favorite in the small Hoffbrau I vistited while in Bonn. I'll probably start WWIII with that, so I, also will get back to practicing my trombone and sipping my Guinness to ward off the flame-throwers. (:>)) Gary "Always in trouble." Maxwell ============================================================= >OK, back to practicing again - oh, heck, my glass is still half full/empty... >Dick Sleeman, Lelystad, Holland. > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2368 Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 13:27:44 -0500 From: "Tom C. Shaddox" To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: An excuse, at last Message-ID: <3CC45620.3A9A9CD1@fnc.fujitsu.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mike, There's another Tom Shaddox that's kind of a musician, like me: http://www.ieca.org/store/category.cfm?category_id=7 Country music about soil erosion? I gotta go practice, Tom Shaddox, 9th chair tenor ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2368 Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 11:58:50 -0700 From: emrose79@pacbell.net Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: An excuse, at last Message-ID: <3CC45D6A.E913AA56@pacbell.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Having played in a German Band for 10-12 years, I would have to disagree with you, however, I WILL use this as an excuse every time I'm asked about my inablilty to sound musical! :) Ed > ============================================================================ > > It's true then! German Bands, as many believe, are non-Musical. Well, back > to just having fun, then! Pass the Heiniken! > > Gary Maxwell ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2368 Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 12:04:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Gabriel Langfur To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: More on piracy Message-ID: <20020422190436.99439.qmail@web10301.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Craig Parmerlee wrote: > "Forget pay for performance. Walt Disney Co. CEO Michael > Eisner, according > to Business Week, received 'a salary increase, 2 million > stock options in > Disney Internet Group valued at $37.7 million and an > $11.5 million > bonus—after three years in which net income fell by more > than half from > $1.9 billion in 1997 to $920 million.' Eisner's total > 2000 compensation was > $72.8 million, a big bite out of Disney's net income. Right on Craig, I was recently told (I can't vouch for accuracy) that Disney in Orlando has either recently fired or is in the process of firing about 80% of the musicians that work at the park. That's a lot of excellent musicians losing their livelihood, whose combined salaries can't even come close to Eisner's pay raise. Sometimes I want to give up the trombone, go to law school, and go into politics. On the other hand, I think I need my soul. Gabe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2368 Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 16:34:59 -0400 From: richardt@LEE.ARMY.MIL To: MikeSuter@aol.com, trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: RE: An excuse, at last Message-ID: <81F62454EA21B94EA95517180D7303730243FA38@lee-is-102.lee.army.mil> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1EA3D.2C317D30" Hey! I've heard that guy. He does a nice job on Lassus.Ê Which by the way I paid full price for and did not make a copy.Ê -----Original Message----- From: MikeSuter@aol.com [mailto:MikeSuter@aol.com] Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 6:34 PM To: kentonia@yahoogroups.com; trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: An excuse, at last Hi Guys, Last night while doing a non-music related Google search, I came across a German band whose bass player is named Mike Suter. >From now on, no matter how stupid, how misinformed, or just plain wrong any of my posts may seem to be, they're HIS fault. Not mine. That's my story and I'm stickin' to it. BTW, yes this is off topic. But it's HIS fault. Not mine. All The Best, Mike Suter Slidewerke PrimeSlide Design ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2368 Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 16:51:33 EDT From: MikeSuter@aol.com To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: An excuse, at last Message-ID: <195.5c8f73b.29f5d1d5@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Guys, I probably should have said "a band in Germany" rather than a "German band." The Mike Suter in question is a young-twenty-something electric bass player in a new wave rock band in Germany. It's funny how stereotypes seem to automatically come into play when certain phrases are used. I mean, when you say bass trombone player a lot of folks automatically think of fat, bald guys with . . . er . . . wait a minute. I AM that. Never Mind. All The Best, Mike Slidewerke PrimeSlide Design ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2368 Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 16:52:19 -0500 From: "Marple, Richard L COL BAMC-Ft Sam Houston" To: "'craig@acticalc.com'" , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: Low fat marches Message-ID: <587F49FABBEDD411A68F00A0C9EA313B5FD267@dasmthkhn561.amedd.army.mil> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1EA47.F95AF570" Here's a few you forgot Craig, but they're not all 'low fat':-). Anchor and Steam The Bride Effect (Gain 30#s) The Black Bean Soup Bullets and Bagels The Flagons of Freedom From RoMaine to Tarragon The Free Lunch The Gady Eater The Gridiron Club Sandwich Guide Right to Dieting The Lambs' March (no change here) Manhattan Beached Whale Magna Desert Carta The Gin & Soda March National Sensibles (I can only presume...) The Navel Reserve (I don't recommend eating there) The Northern Pine Nuts Dour Flirtation The Pride of Iceburgh The Royla Welsh Rabbitiers Consumption March Raiders of the Fridge Salut! Solid Meat to the Front Dietus Fidelis The Stars and Stripes Spaghetti Pounds Off! Triumph over Time I'm sure there are more... Rick Marple San Antonio TX -----Original Message----- From: Craig Parmerlee [mailto:craig@acticalc.com] Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2002 11:09 AM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Low fat marches At 08:26 AM 4/21/2002 +0100, Adrian Drover wrote: >From: "Joe L. Norcross" > > > > The Detroit Concert Band used 10 LPs for their collection of all the > > Soyusa Marches, > > >Soyusa? Is that some kind of vegetarian John Philip? > >A. Indeed. His most famous marches are Esprit de Corn The Wheat Plume Hail to the Spirit of Rice and Peas El Poppycorn And of course, King Cotton Don't forget his captivating Operetta, the Queen of Oats ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2368 Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 18:13:36 -0700 From: Robin Eubanks To: Subject: More on piracy Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hello, I didn't take the time to go through the entire digest this time, so I apologize if this point was made already. As a professional, recording and performing musician this discussion effects me personally. I've even paid for and released my music on my own label, as some of you may know. I have mixed feelings about piracy because it is a way to get your music heard by a wider audience who in turn tend to turn out to your live performances. By the way, you can sell PLENTY of CDs at live performances because people are still hearing, humming and discussing the music they just heard. Another point is that musicians (other than big name sellers) RARELY see any of the royalty money that the labels are claiming that the musicians are being deprived. They are the ones that have deprived the musicians of their fair share of royalties since the music business began! Most recording contracts require the artist repay the company for the money the company spent having the recording made, before they get any royalty money. The bizarre part about that is that the recording company owns the recording. You pay them back for the "privilege" of making a product that they own. It's similar to you "buying" a car from a dealer and after you finish making the payments, they STILL own the car. For that reason, I have NO sympathy for the recording industry. They've been robbing the musicians blind forever because they had a monopoly. Now they don't and they're scared to death. I say shame on them. Having said all of that, I may still record for certain labels depending on the contract, but I will continue to record and OWN my music from now on. It's a great feeling to own your music. It's too bad that that remains the exception to the rule. I've found that people would rather pay money directly to the musicians than to companies. I know they make copies and trade but I'm ok with that. I've even given a few tracks away on my mp3 site in order to encourage people to check out the rest of the CD and my live performances. So, I guess I really have very little opposition to piracy because the system as it's been was never benefiting the vast majority of musicians as it should. -Robin Visit my website at: http://www.robineubanks.com/ Hear complete songs at: http://www.mp3.com/robineubanks ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2368 Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 20:48:47 -0500 From: "Corliss" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: More on piracy Message-ID: <004001c1ea69$02894220$39cb5340@richard> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gabriel Langfur" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 2:04 PM Subject: RE: More on piracy > --- Craig Parmerlee wrote: > > "Forget pay for performance. Walt Disney Co. CEO Michael > > Eisner, according > > to Business Week, received 'a salary increase, 2 million > > stock options in > > Disney Internet Group valued at $37.7 million and an > > $11.5 million > > bonus-after three years in which net income fell by more > > than half from > > $1.9 billion in 1997 to $920 million.' Eisner's total > > 2000 compensation was > > $72.8 million, a big bite out of Disney's net income. > > Right on Craig, > > I was recently told (I can't vouch for accuracy) that > Disney in Orlando has either recently fired or is in the > process of firing about 80% of the musicians that work at > the park. That's a lot of excellent musicians losing their > livelihood, whose combined salaries can't even come close > to Eisner's pay raise. > > Gabe > My wife and I recently spent four days visiting the major Disney attractions in Orlando. Only twice in these four days did we see some musicians. Parades were without bands and music was almost always piped in. By the way Bill Allred is no longer playing in downtown Orlando. Almost nothing is happening anymore in that part of town. Richard Corliss ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2368 Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 22:25:38 -0500 From: "Jon Moeller" To: Subject: RE: More on piracyRC Message-ID: <000001c1ea76$8aaf0150$3101a8c0@jon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ThatRC reallyRC sucksRC aboutRC theRC musicians losing their job like that, the CEORC of DisneyRC shouldn't haveRC gotten that hugeRC payraise... On a lighter note, my school's (Martin High SchoolRC) band will be visiting Orlando this coming friday, and marching in the MusicfestRC parade, and playing semper fiRC. If anyone is down thereRC, be sure to visitRC! HopefullyRC, my messageRC is "politically correctRC" All rights reserved, C 2002. -----Original MessageRC----- From: owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu [mailto:owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu] On Behalf Of Corliss Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 8:49 PM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Re: More on piracy ----- Original MessageRC ----- From: "Gabriel Langfur" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 2:04 PM Subject: RE: More on piracy > --- Craig Parmerlee wrote: > > "Forget pay for performance. Walt Disney Co. CEO Michael > > Eisner, according > > to Business Week, received 'a salary increase, 2 million > > stock options in > > Disney Internet Group valued at $37.7 million and an > > $11.5 million > > bonus-after three years in which net income fell by more > > than half from > > $1.9 billion in 1997 to $920 million.' Eisner's total > > 2000 compensation was > > $72.8 million, a big bite out of Disney's net income. > > Right on Craig, > > I was recently told (I can't vouch for accuracy) that > Disney in Orlando has either recently fired or is in the > process of firing about 80% of the musicians that work at > the park. That's a lot of excellent musicians losing their > livelihood, whose combined salaries can't even come close > to Eisner's pay raise. > > Gabe > My wife and I recently spent four days visiting the major Disney attractions in Orlando. Only twice in these four days did we see some musicians. Parades were without bands and music was almost always piped in. By the way Bill Allred is no longer playing in downtown Orlando. Almost nothing is happening anymore in that part of town. Richard Corliss ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2368 Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 22:28:55 -0500 From: "Jon Moeller" To: Subject: RE: More on piracyRC Message-ID: <000101c1ea76$ffffcfc0$3101a8c0@jon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, the list processor stripped out all my (r)'s and (c)'s Not a good day for sarcasm for me. -----Original Message----- From: owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu [mailto:owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu] On Behalf Of Jon Moeller Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 10:26 PM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: RE: More on piracyRC ThatRC reallyRC sucksRC aboutRC theRC musicians losing their job like that, the CEORC of DisneyRC shouldn't haveRC gotten that hugeRC payraise... On a lighter note, my school's (Martin High SchoolRC) band will be visiting Orlando this coming friday, and marching in the MusicfestRC parade, and playing semper fiRC. If anyone is down thereRC, be sure to visitRC! HopefullyRC, my messageRC is "politically correctRC" All rights reserved, C 2002. -----Original MessageRC----- From: owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu [mailto:owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu] On Behalf Of Corliss Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 8:49 PM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Re: More on piracy ----- Original MessageRC ----- From: "Gabriel Langfur" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 2:04 PM Subject: RE: More on piracy > --- Craig Parmerlee wrote: > > "Forget pay for performance. Walt Disney Co. CEO Michael > > Eisner, according > > to Business Week, received 'a salary increase, 2 million > > stock options in > > Disney Internet Group valued at $37.7 million and an > > $11.5 million > > bonus-after three years in which net income fell by more > > than half from > > $1.9 billion in 1997 to $920 million.' Eisner's total > > 2000 compensation was > > $72.8 million, a big bite out of Disney's net income. > > Right on Craig, > > I was recently told (I can't vouch for accuracy) that > Disney in Orlando has either recently fired or is in the > process of firing about 80% of the musicians that work at > the park. That's a lot of excellent musicians losing their > livelihood, whose combined salaries can't even come close > to Eisner's pay raise. > > Gabe > My wife and I recently spent four days visiting the major Disney attractions in Orlando. Only twice in these four days did we see some musicians. Parades were without bands and music was almost always piped in. By the way Bill Allred is no longer playing in downtown Orlando. Almost nothing is happening anymore in that part of town. Richard Corliss ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2368 Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 22:52:58 -0500 From: Craig Parmerlee To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Disney, Eisner, and the death of music Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20020422224443.022df038@acticalc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed So let's just figure a bit. Let's say Disney employed 40 musicians. Because a lot of them would be students on summer break, let's say the average burdened compensation would be $40,000. This means that the total outlay for musicians annually would be $1.6M. That seems like a lot of money, but compare that to Eisner's 2000 compensation of $72,000,000. It is clear where that company's priorities are. The best thing to do is to vote with our wallets. There are a lot of things we can spend our money on besides artificial fantasy crap from Disney. Craig At 08:48 PM 4/22/2002 -0500, Corliss wrote: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gabriel Langfur" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 2:04 PM Subject: RE: More on piracy > --- Craig Parmerlee wrote: > > "Forget pay for performance. Walt Disney Co. CEO Michael > > Eisner, according > > to Business Week, received 'a salary increase, 2 million > > stock options in > > Disney Internet Group valued at $37.7 million and an > > $11.5 million > > bonus-after three years in which net income fell by more > > than half from > > $1.9 billion in 1997 to $920 million.' Eisner's total > > 2000 compensation was > > $72.8 million, a big bite out of Disney's net income. > > Right on Craig, > > I was recently told (I can't vouch for accuracy) that > Disney in Orlando has either recently fired or is in the > process of firing about 80% of the musicians that work at > the park. That's a lot of excellent musicians losing their > livelihood, whose combined salaries can't even come close > to Eisner's pay raise. > > Gabe > My wife and I recently spent four days visiting the major Disney attractions in Orlando. Only twice in these four days did we see some musicians. Parades were without bands and music was almost always piped in. By the way Bill Allred is no longer playing in downtown Orlando. Almost nothing is happening anymore in that part of town. Richard Corliss ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2368 Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 23:27:05 -0500 From: Craig Parmerlee To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Renuzit Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20020422231728.02305dc8@acticalc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 08:33 AM 4/22/2002 -0400, richardt@LEE.ARMY.MIL wrote: Hey, while we're on the subject, anybody made a Renuzit mute lately? I bought two this weekend but haven't done the mods yet. About 10. I cleaned out my wife's supply of the things. Fortunately she had a whole bunch of them scattered around the house and most were used up. These things are amazing. I've tried various modifications such as drilling holes in different places and adding baffling material inside. I'm convinced that there is no way to improve on perfection. Renuzit is just about perfect as it comes from the factory (if you don't mind the pitch being a bit sharp). The key thing is to make a very good seal so the sound waves have only one path (through the soda straw stem. If you get a leaky seal or injudiciously drill holes, you create alternate paths of varying lengths and this makes the tone really squirreley. By using fairly thick foam (such as the closed cell foam that is sold to snap around plumbing pipes), this causes the Reuzit to stick a little farther out the bell which brings it closer to true pitch. Mine seem to be off by about 1/4 step on most horns. I even made a bass Renuzit that works just fine. I found a large foam gasket made for toilet bowls. This glues to the Renuzit about an inch from the top. With a little trimming, it fits in a bass bell and works great. Make sure to throw away the plastic stem piece that snaps into the top cone. Trumpet players may be able to get away with leaving this in place, but it leaves too much resistance for the trombone. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2368 Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 00:42:37 -0500 From: "D.J. Kennedy" To: craig@acticalc.com Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Disney, Eisner, and the death of music Message-ID: <3CC4F44D.5381ADD6@midwest.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit yourfigures are way off --summer job 40k --no way jose !! think a little over minimum waggge ----at most 10/12 hr benefits include hotel/motel but that isnt $$$ in pocket -either its $$$back in mickys cheese fund ---- Craig Parmerlee wrote: > So let's just figure a bit. Let's say Disney employed 40 > musicians. Because a lot of them would be students on summer break, let's > say the average burdened compensation would be $40,000. This means that > the total outlay for musicians annually would be $1.6M. That seems like a > lot of money, but compare that to Eisner's 2000 compensation of > $72,000,000. It is clear where that company's priorities are. > > The best thing to do is to vote with our wallets. There are a lot of > things we can spend our money on besides artificial fantasy crap from Disney. > Craig > > At 08:48 PM 4/22/2002 -0500, Corliss wrote: > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Gabriel Langfur" > >To: "Trombones and related issues forum." > >Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 2:04 PM > >Subject: RE: More on piracy > > > > > > > --- Craig Parmerlee wrote: > > > > "Forget pay for performance. Walt Disney Co. CEO Michael > > > > Eisner, according > > > > to Business Week, received 'a salary increase, 2 million > > > > stock options in > > > > Disney Internet Group valued at $37.7 million and an > > > > $11.5 million > > > > bonus-after three years in which net income fell by more > > > > than half from > > > > $1.9 billion in 1997 to $920 million.' Eisner's total > > > > 2000 compensation was > > > > $72.8 million, a big bite out of Disney's net income. > > > > > > Right on Craig, > > > > > > I was recently told (I can't vouch for accuracy) that > > > Disney in Orlando has either recently fired or is in the > > > process of firing about 80% of the musicians that work at > > > the park. That's a lot of excellent musicians losing their > > > livelihood, whose combined salaries can't even come close > > > to Eisner's pay raise. > > > > Gabe > > > > > > >My wife and I recently spent four days visiting the major Disney attractions > >in Orlando. Only twice in > >these four days did we see some musicians. Parades were without bands and > >music was almost always > >piped in. > > > >By the way Bill Allred is no longer playing in downtown Orlando. Almost > >nothing is happening anymore in > >that part of town. > > > >Richard Corliss ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2368 Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 00:32:18 -0700 From: "James W. Yardley" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Motivation Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello everyone. I'm having a problem I'm sure a lot of you have faced. I'm serious about the trombone and I want to play professionally. I used to practice a LOT, too much sometimes. Lately, however, I haven't had an ounce of motivation to practice and it's killing me. I know I should be practicing and I want to, be I always let something distract me or I make up some excuse like, I need the break, I'll practice later. I don't know why, I'm not lazy, I never have been. Here's my theory. I'm worn out. I think it started when I auditioned in to Jazz Ensemble 1 here at UW-Eau Claire. I'm the youngest one in the band and everyone is sooo good. The band is really killer. It was a HUGE motivator for me and I practiced my butt off for our annual jazz festival, with guest artists Chris Botti and Christian McBride. We were playing two Don Sebesky tunes, both which required tuba. So not only was I knew to the band and the music, I had two weeks to learn tuba for the jazz festival. I went to work and it paid off, I pulled it off somehow and played tuba on that concert. Phew, it was over. Now I had my recital, two weeks away, to prepare for. I hadn't had anytime to work on that music around jazz fest time so I kicked into high gear for that. I played a recital I was proud of (Monday). The next night (Tuesday) I had a recording session in the Twin Cities with Jazz Ensemble 1 (didn't get home till 3:45am). The recording session went fine. It was fun, and I was proud of the way I played. Then, Jazz 1 played at the annual Viennese Ball that weekend (Friday and Saturday). Finally, all that was over with. Next was a Brass Choir concert. I know I'm forgetting about a few other performances, and on top of all this, I had a full load of classes to keep up with, lessons to teach, lessons to prepare for, and rehearsals constantly. For the longest time I had no down time. I started getting into a mode where I didn't want to perform anymore. All I wanted to do was practice rochuts and scales by myself. Now things have settled down and I don't want to do anything. When I first came to school, last year, as a freshman, I was a fanatic about practicing. It's all I did. I didn't care about anything else but bass trombone. I practiced relentlessly every night. My freinds called me "YardleyBot" because they said I was a machine for how much I practiced. I want to get back to that. I'm not sure what motivated me, maybe it was just the newness of school. Maybe it was because then I was in all the lower ensembles and I've worked my way up quite rapidly. Maybe it was because then, there was a senior bass trombone player, who is really good, who is now doing is student teaching, for me to look up to and practice with. All of those things are gone now, and I need to find something else to motivate myself. Does anyone have any ideas for me? Thanks so much for your help! Take care, James Yardley ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2368 Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 23:18:22 -0700 From: "Jerry Blomberg" To: "trombone list" Subject: Re: Renuzit Message-ID: <001d01c1ea8e$ac0a5b20$ea80d43f@cubs> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What the heck are you guys talking about? A Renuzit mute?? What is that? Jerry Blomberg jerrzo@netzero.net <>< ----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig Parmerlee" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 9:27 PM Subject: Renuzit > At 08:33 AM 4/22/2002 -0400, richardt@LEE.ARMY.MIL wrote: > >Hey, while we're on the subject, anybody made a Renuzit mute lately? I > >bought two this weekend but haven't done the mods yet. > > About 10. I cleaned out my wife's supply of the things. Fortunately she > had a whole bunch of them scattered around the house and most were used > up. These things are amazing. I've tried various modifications such as > drilling holes in different places and adding baffling material > inside. I'm convinced that there is no way to improve on > perfection. Renuzit is just about perfect as it comes from the factory (if > you don't mind the pitch being a bit sharp). > > The key thing is to make a very good seal so the sound waves have only one > path (through the soda straw stem. If you get a leaky seal or > injudiciously drill holes, you create alternate paths of varying lengths > and this makes the tone really squirreley. By using fairly thick foam > (such as the closed cell foam that is sold to snap around plumbing pipes), > this causes the Reuzit to stick a little farther out the bell which brings > it closer to true pitch. Mine seem to be off by about 1/4 step on most horns. > > I even made a bass Renuzit that works just fine. I found a large foam > gasket made for toilet bowls. This glues to the Renuzit about an inch from > the top. With a little trimming, it fits in a bass bell and works great. > > Make sure to throw away the plastic stem piece that snaps into the top > cone. Trumpet players may be able to get away with leaving this in place, > but it leaves too much resistance for the trombone. > > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2368 Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 08:09:48 +0100 From: "Adrian Drover" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Disney, Eisner, and the death of music Message-ID: <004401c1ea96$9240d180$e28068d5@homel29g9mgyk9> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "D.J. Kennedy" > yourfigures are way off --summer job 40k --no way jose !! > think a little over minimum waggge ---- Minimum Chris Waggge? A. Adrian Drover ADIOS, Scotland www.adios.co.uk Personal email: adrian@adios.co.uk ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2368 Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 06:29:11 -0400 From: sabutin To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Motivation Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" ---snip--- When I first came to school, last year, as a freshman, I was a fanatic about practicing. It's all I did. I didn't care about anything else but bass trombone. I practiced relentlessly every night. My freinds called me "YardleyBot" because they said I was a machine for how much I practiced. I want to get back to that. I'm not sure what motivated me, maybe it was just the newness of school. Maybe it was because then I was in all the lower ensembles and I've worked my way up quite rapidly. Maybe it was because then, there was a senior bass trombone player, who is really good, who is now doing is student teaching, for me to look up to and practice with. All of those things are gone now, and I need to find something else to motivate myself. Does anyone have any ideas for me? Thanks so much for your help! Take care, James Yardley =============== Yeah, I've got an idea for you. Practice. Practice when you're tired, practice when you're sad. Practice when you're under pressure; practice when there's nothing happening. Practice when you don't feel so good; practice when it's raining out; practice when you're in love; practice when you're in debt...practice when you're in Topeka, even. Practice when you're tired ; practice when there's no reason on Earth to do so; practice practice practice practice practice practice practice practice practice practice practice practice. For the sake of practicing. You've been practicing in order to satisfy outside needs...this ensemble, that recital, etc. That is a way, I suppose...but there is a stronger way. Practice because that's who you are and that's what you do. No hope of reward...not even playing "better". Just practice. Approached this way. practicing becomes life, w/all its ups + downs, and when your playing is your LIFE...then you begin to find some things out. Later... S. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2368 Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 07:02:29 -0400 From: "Art Triggs" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Motivation Message-ID: <002d01c1eab6$5ccde770$f6a315ac@taz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well said Sam, but now, 'scuse me while I go practice ;-) - gotta love it 7:00am and the neighbors don't complain. Art Triggs ----- Original Message ----- From: "sabutin" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 6:29 AM Subject: Re: Motivation > ---snip--- > > > When I first came to school, last year, as a freshman, I was a fanatic > >about practicing. It's all I did. I didn't care about anything else but > >bass trombone. I practiced relentlessly every night. My freinds called me > >"YardleyBot" because they said I was a machine for how much I practiced. I > >want to get back to that. I'm not sure what motivated me, maybe it was just > >the newness of school. Maybe it was because then I was in all the lower > >ensembles and I've worked my way up quite rapidly. Maybe it was because > >then, there was a senior bass trombone player, who is really good, who is > >now doing is student teaching, for me to look up to and practice with. All > >of those things are gone now, and I need to find something else to motivate > >myself. Does anyone have any ideas for me? Thanks so much for your help! > > > >Take care, > >James Yardley > > > =============== > > Yeah, I've got an idea for you. > > Practice. > > Practice when you're tired, practice when you're sad. > > Practice when you're under pressure; practice when there's nothing > happening. > > Practice when you don't feel so good; practice when it's raining > out; practice when you're in love; practice when you're in > debt...practice when you're in Topeka, even. Practice when you're > tired ; practice when there's no reason on Earth to do so; practice > practice practice practice practice practice practice practice > practice practice practice practice. > > For the sake of practicing. > > You've been practicing in order to satisfy outside needs...this > ensemble, that recital, etc. > > That is a way, I suppose...but there is a stronger way. > > Practice because that's who you are and that's what you do. > > No hope of reward...not even playing "better". > > Just practice. > > Approached this way. practicing becomes life, w/all its ups + > downs, and when your playing is your LIFE...then you begin to find > some things out. > > Later... > > S. > > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2368 Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 08:11:39 -0500 From: Jay Heltzer To: yardlejw@uwec.edu Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Motivation Message-ID: <3CC55D8A.D1B7C420@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello List, how's it going? This is something I have dealt with off and on, so I will chime in. There are several factors here. First you have been doing quite a lot and you may have hit burnout. Normal and typical. If your head needs a rest, to clear the noise from all you have recently done, do so. Read a book, go outside and play (I heard you mom!), learn a new recipe to cook. Do something. If your head is not into it, you are wasting your time. However, I read Sabutin's comments, which I also love. You still love the instrument, so utilize that. Put away the recital music, and the jazz band music, and the brass choir music, and start to play something you have been meaning to work on, or simply love to play. You still have to maintain your chops. Even longtones in front of the tv, while watching anything is better than nothing. On that note, if you want to practice but just can't get started, find the motivation in another source. Read an ITA article, put on your favorite recording that reminds you why you love to play. I have a mental list that whenever I lose focus, I go to one of these things on the list and that reminds me why I do what I do. Whether its Frank Zappa, Nielsen, Dream Theater, Chanticleer, JJ, whatever. Sometimes in all the confusion, we forget what brought us here in the first place. Motivationally yours, Jay ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2368 Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 07:26:32 -0700 From: "Joe L. Norcross" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Renuzit Message-ID: <005001c1ead2$dead0fc0$94dfaec7@computer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have lost count, A couple of schools have sets for their players. Good cheap mute Joe L. Norcross Tuba: Visalia CA Sequoia Winds Bass Trombone: Clovis CA Community Band Tuba and Announcer: Kingsburg CA City Band joetuba@lightspeed.net ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2368 Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 10:47:32 -0300 From: Craig Parmerlee To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Disney, Eisner, and the death of music Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20020423104508.00b22d30@acticalc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I was talking burdened cost, including salary, benefits, music, uniforms, office overhead, etc. But I agree, I probably erred on the high side. At 12:42 AM 04/23/2002 -0500, D.J. Kennedy wrote: yourfigures are way off --summer job 40k --no way jose !! think a little over minimum waggge ----at most 10/12 hr benefits include hotel/motel but that isnt $$$ in pocket -either its $$$back in mickys cheese fund ---- Craig Parmerlee wrote: > So let's just figure a bit. Let's say Disney employed 40 > musicians. Because a lot of them would be students on summer break, let's > say the average burdened compensation would be $40,000. This means that > the total outlay for musicians annually would be $1.6M. That seems like a > lot of money, but compare that to Eisner's 2000 compensation of > $72,000,000. It is clear where that company's priorities are. > > The best thing to do is to vote with our wallets. There are a lot of > things we can spend our money on besides artificial fantasy crap from Disney. > Craig > > At 08:48 PM 4/22/2002 -0500, Corliss wrote: > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Gabriel Langfur" > >To: "Trombones and related issues forum." > >Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 2:04 PM > >Subject: RE: More on piracy > > > > > > > --- Craig Parmerlee wrote: > > > > "Forget pay for performance. Walt Disney Co. CEO Michael > > > > Eisner, according > > > > to Business Week, received 'a salary increase, 2 million > > > > stock options in > > > > Disney Internet Group valued at $37.7 million and an > > > > $11.5 million > > > > bonus-after three years in which net income fell by more > > > > than half from > > > > $1.9 billion in 1997 to $920 million.' Eisner's total > > > > 2000 compensation was > > > > $72.8 million, a big bite out of Disney's net income. > > > > > > Right on Craig, > > > > > > I was recently told (I can't vouch for accuracy) that > > > Disney in Orlando has either recently fired or is in the > > > process of firing about 80% of the musicians that work at > > > the park. That's a lot of excellent musicians losing their > > > livelihood, whose combined salaries can't even come close > > > to Eisner's pay raise. > > > > Gabe > > > > > > >My wife and I recently spent four days visiting the major Disney attractions > >in Orlando. Only twice in > >these four days did we see some musicians. Parades were without bands and > >music was almost always > >piped in. > > > >By the way Bill Allred is no longer playing in downtown Orlando. Almost > >nothing is happening anymore in > >that part of town. > > > >Richard Corliss ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2368 Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 08:25:55 -0500 From: "Marple, Richard L COL BAMC-Ft Sam Houston" To: "'yardlejw@uwec.edu'" , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: Motivation Message-ID: <587F49FABBEDD411A68F00A0C9EA313B5FD26B@dasmthkhn561.amedd.army.mil> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1EACA.65EE6460" James: It is normal to have a let down after a stressful period. I remember being tired and having low motivation after final exams, and I have noticed that after BIG projects, I still can feel the same way much later in life. It doesn't last more than 1 week or so for me.Ê All of the responses are good advice. Sam is pointing out that you must become your own teacher (eventually). In other words, events don't drive you, the desire to perform your best (which requires practice) does. Internal vs external motivation. Internal lasts longer and works better.Ê I find it helpful to pull my head up, look around the world and ask myself, "what do I want to do in 5 years?". That way events don't easily lead me to a place where I am not happy. Good Luck Rick Marple Life is a marathon, not a sprint San Antonio, TX FIESTA!! -----Original Message----- From: James W. Yardley [mailto:yardlejw@uwec.edu] Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 2:32 AM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Motivation ÊÊÊÊÊÊ Hello everyone. I'm having a problem I'm sure a lot of you have faced. I'm serious about the trombone and I want to play professionally. I used to practice a LOT, too much sometimes. Lately, however, I haven't had an ounce of motivation to practice and it's killing me. I know I should be practicing and I want to, be I always let something distract me or I make up some excuse like, I need the break, I'll practice later. I don't know why, I'm not lazy, I never have been. ÊÊÊÊÊÊ Here's my theory. I'm worn out. I think it started when I auditioned in to Jazz Ensemble 1 here at UW-Eau Claire. I'm the youngest one in the band and everyone is sooo good. The band is really killer. It was a HUGE motivator for me and I practiced my butt off for our annual jazz festival, with guest artists Chris Botti and Christian McBride. We were playing two Don Sebesky tunes, both which required tuba. So not only was I knew to the band and the music, I had two weeks to learn tuba for the jazz festival. I went to work and it paid off, I pulled it off somehow and played tuba on that concert. Phew, it was over. Now I had my recital, two weeks away, to prepare for. I hadn't had anytime to work on that music around jazz fest time so I kicked into high gear for that. I played a recital I was proud of (Monday). The next night (Tuesday) I had a recording session in the Twin Cities with Jazz Ensemble 1 (didn't get home till 3:45am). The recording session went fine. It was fun, and I was proud of the way I played. Then, Jazz 1 played at the annual Viennese Ball that weekend (Friday and Saturday). Finally, all that was over with. Next was a Brass Choir concert. I know I'm forgetting about a few other performances, and on top of all this, I had a full load of classes to keep up with, lessons to teach, lessons to prepare for, and rehearsals constantly. For the longest time I had no down time. I started getting into a mode where I didn't want to perform anymore. All I wanted to do was practice rochuts and scales by myself. Now things have settled down and I don't want to do anything. ÊÊÊÊÊÊ When I first came to school, last year, as a freshman, I was a fanatic about practicing. It's all I did. I didn't care about anything else but bass trombone. I practiced relentlessly every night. My freinds called me "YardleyBot" because they said I was a machine for how much I practiced. I want to get back to that. I'm not sure what motivated me, maybe it was just the newness of school. Maybe it was because then I was in all the lower ensembles and I've worked my way up quite rapidly. Maybe it was because then, there was a senior bass trombone player, who is really good, who is now doing is student teaching, for me to look up to and practice with. All of those things are gone now, and I need to find something else to motivate myself. Does anyone have any ideas for me? Thanks so much for your help! Take care, James Yardley ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2368 Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 10:48:43 -0300 From: Craig Parmerlee To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Renuzit Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20020423104803.01c90328@acticalc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed A practice mute made from a Renuzit air freshener. Costs about a dollar. At 11:18 PM 04/22/2002 -0700, you wrote: What the heck are you guys talking about? A Renuzit mute?? What is that? Jerry Blomberg jerrzo@netzero.net <>< ----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig Parmerlee" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 9:27 PM Subject: Renuzit > At 08:33 AM 4/22/2002 -0400, richardt@LEE.ARMY.MIL wrote: > >Hey, while we're on the subject, anybody made a Renuzit mute lately? I > >bought two this weekend but haven't done the mods yet. > > About 10. I cleaned out my wife's supply of the things. Fortunately she > had a whole bunch of them scattered around the house and most were used > up. These things are amazing. I've tried various modifications such as > drilling holes in different places and adding baffling material > inside. I'm convinced that there is no way to improve on > perfection. Renuzit is just about perfect as it comes from the factory (if > you don't mind the pitch being a bit sharp). > > The key thing is to make a very good seal so the sound waves have only one > path (through the soda straw stem. If you get a leaky seal or > injudiciously drill holes, you create alternate paths of varying lengths > and this makes the tone really squirreley. By using fairly thick foam > (such as the closed cell foam that is sold to snap around plumbing pipes), > this causes the Reuzit to stick a little farther out the bell which brings > it closer to true pitch. Mine seem to be off by about 1/4 step on most horns. > > I even made a bass Renuzit that works just fine. I found a large foam > gasket made for toilet bowls. This glues to the Renuzit about an inch from > the top. With a little trimming, it fits in a bass bell and works great. > > Make sure to throw away the plastic stem piece that snaps into the top > cone. Trumpet players may be able to get away with leaving this in place, > but it leaves too much resistance for the trombone. > > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2368 Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 10:55:55 -0300 From: Craig Parmerlee To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Motivation Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20020423105256.00b26588@acticalc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 08:11 AM 04/23/2002 -0500, Jay Heltzer wrote: On that note, if you want to practice but just can't get started, find the motivation in another source. Maybe there is another trombonist at school who would enjoy playing some duets. There are lots of great duets. That can make excellent practice as it uses all the elements. Get on a regular schedule so you are supporting each other to maintain the commitment. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2368 Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 08:49:09 -0500 From: "Jeff Albert" To: , "'Trombones and related issues forum.'" Subject: RE: Motivation Message-ID: <000f01c1eacd$a4c12080$9f209d42@jeff> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Several good points have already been made on this subject, and I'd like to add, "welcome to real life." It doesn't get less hectic when you get out of school. You are either trying to balance a day job, wife, kids, etc. with practice time and gigs or community band or whatever; or you are playing full time and single and the ability to put food on your table is directly related to your practice time, yet you are completely not motivated because you are broke and feel like a prostitute for the gig you played last night that just paid you enough to keep your phone on. I might be exaggerating...a little, maybe, but my point is: this is a good point in your life to develop two important skills. The ability to just sit down and practice, no matter what (like Sam said), and the ability to control your own mental state. Some of us use outside factors to help with that, walks in the park, a quick game of basketball, knitting, whatever. Others can just make a conscious decision to have a certain outlook at a given time. However you do it, it is a crucial skill to survival as a musician. Jeff Albert www.jeffalbert.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu [mailto:owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu] On Behalf Of James W. Yardley Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 2:32 AM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Motivation Hello everyone. I'm having a problem I'm sure a lot of you have faced. I'm serious about the trombone and I want to play professionally. I used to practice a LOT, too much sometimes. Lately, however, I haven't had an ounce of motivation to practice and it's killing me. I know I should be practicing and I want to, be I always let something distract me or I make up some excuse like, I need the break, I'll practice later. I don't know why, I'm not lazy, I never have been. Here's my theory. I'm worn out. I think it started when I auditioned in to Jazz Ensemble 1 here at UW-Eau Claire. I'm the youngest one in the band and everyone is sooo good. The band is really killer. It was a HUGE motivator for me and I practiced my butt off for our annual jazz festival, with guest artists Chris Botti and Christian McBride. We were playing two Don Sebesky tunes, both which required tuba. So not only was I knew to the band and the music, I had two weeks to learn tuba for the jazz festival. I went to work and it paid off, I pulled it off somehow and played tuba on that concert. Phew, it was over. Now I had my recital, two weeks away, to prepare for. I hadn't had anytime to work on that music around jazz fest time so I kicked into high gear for that. I played a recital I was proud of (Monday). The next night (Tuesday) I had a recording session in the Twin Cities with Jazz Ensemble 1 (didn't get home till 3:45am). The recording session went fine. It was fun, and I was proud of the way I played. Then, Jazz 1 played at the annual Viennese Ball that weekend (Friday and Saturday). Finally, all that was over with. Next was a Brass Choir concert. I know I'm forgetting about a few other performances, and on top of all this, I had a full load of classes to keep up with, lessons to teach, lessons to prepare for, and rehearsals constantly. For the longest time I had no down time. I started getting into a mode where I didn't want to perform anymore. All I wanted to do was practice rochuts and scales by myself. Now things have settled down and I don't want to do anything. When I first came to school, last year, as a freshman, I was a fanatic about practicing. It's all I did. I didn't care about anything else but bass trombone. I practiced relentlessly every night. My freinds called me "YardleyBot" because they said I was a machine for how much I practiced. I want to get back to that. I'm not sure what motivated me, maybe it was just the newness of school. Maybe it was because then I was in all the lower ensembles and I've worked my way up quite rapidly. Maybe it was because then, there was a senior bass trombone player, who is really good, who is now doing is student teaching, for me to look up to and practice with. All of those things are gone now, and I need to find something else to motivate myself. Does anyone have any ideas for me? Thanks so much for your help! Take care, James Yardley ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2368 Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 10:23:04 -0400 From: richardt@LEE.ARMY.MIL To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: The Renuzit mute Message-ID: <81F62454EA21B94EA95517180D7303730243FA47@lee-is-102.lee.army.mil> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1EAD2.61BCA7F0" So who's made one? And did it work? I did it last night, and it was as easy as described, and as cheap, but not anywhere near as quiet. Kind of weird though, when you move the slide you can hear the air whistle through it, but it isn't really all that bad for back pressure.Ê It might make a pixie mute as well, with the corks down the long axis instead of wrapped around.Ê - ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2368 Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 15:21:24 +0100 From: "Keith Marr" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Smellybones Message-ID: <000f01c1ead2$dcb0f1a0$f11d86d9@tiny> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I just picked up a 1959 Olds Super for £250 (just over $362 according to XE.com). It's in passable condition, having been well used, and I took it on a gig I had on the Isle of Wight last week and was well pleased with it. The only problem I have with it is that the previous owner used Mr Sheen on the slide and it stinks inside and out. So I inhale this lousy smell every time I take a breath. Several baths have cleaned it nicely but the smell remains. Any ideas about how I get rid of it? Keith, usually in Bb/F/D ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2368 Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 09:41:05 -0500 From: "Jeff Albert" To: , "'Trombones and related issues forum.'" Subject: RE: Smellybones Message-ID: <001201c1ead4$e6175660$9f209d42@jeff> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Garlic? Jeff Albert www.jeffalbert.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu [mailto:owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu] On Behalf Of Keith Marr Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 9:21 AM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Smellybones I just picked up a 1959 Olds Super for £250 (just over $362 according to XE.com). It's in passable condition, having been well used, and I took it on a gig I had on the Isle of Wight last week and was well pleased with it. The only problem I have with it is that the previous owner used Mr Sheen on the slide and it stinks inside and out. So I inhale this lousy smell every time I take a breath. Several baths have cleaned it nicely but the smell remains. Any ideas about how I get rid of it? Keith, usually in Bb/F/D ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2368 Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 11:59:43 -0300 From: Craig Parmerlee To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: The Renuzit mute Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20020423114620.00b2a930@acticalc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:23 AM 04/23/2002 -0400, richardt@LEE.ARMY.MIL wrote: I did it last night, and it was as easy as described, and as cheap, but not anywhere near as quiet. That is surprising to me. All the ones I've made seem to be as quiet as a Wallace or H&B practice mute. They may not be precisely as quite, but are definitely in the range of a practice mute, not a straight mute. Kind of weird though, when you move the slide you can hear the air whistle through it, but it isn't really all that bad for back pressure. You did throw away the stem piece that snaps into the top cone? The instructions on the trumpeter's site say to keep this part but drill a hole into the stem. For me, this retains way too much resistance. The most annoying thing is the vacuum when moving the slide out quickly. It literally sucks your lips into the mouthpiece. But after discarding this part, I don't hear nearly as much of the whistling. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2368 Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 15:03:31 +0000 From: "Daniel Pliskin" To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Renuzit Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed A practice mute made from a Renuzit air freshener. Costs about a dollar. When I was culling the smut, etc, out of my email, I was sure that someone had discovered that Renuzit stripped lacquer, or something. Now Iâll have to try it myself??? DanP _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2368 Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 15:13:22 +0000 From: "Daniel Pliskin" To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Smellybones Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed The only problem I have with it is that the previous owner used Mr Sheen on the slide and it stinks inside and out. So I inhale this lousy smell every time I take a breath. Several baths have cleaned it nicely but the smell remains. Any ideas about how I get rid of it? Iâd try cleaning all the slide tubes with dishwasher soap. But Iâd also make sure that the smell isnât coming from the first-position bumpers. Theyâre much harder to get clean, and I usually just remove them and replace them with a stack of O-rings. But removing the bumpers takes special tools and a considerable amount of time. DanP _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2368 Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 10:13:59 -0500 From: "Todd Slothower" To: , Subject: Re: Renuzit Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Just for fun, maybe the author of "smellybone" and the inventor of the "renuzit mute" need to get together :) Sounds like an interesting fix............................... ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2368 Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 12:24:42 -0300 From: Craig Parmerlee To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Renuzit Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20020423122158.00b5bea8@acticalc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 03:03 PM 04/23/2002 +0000, Daniel Pliskin wrote: A practice mute made from a Renuzit air freshener. Costs about a dollar. When I was culling the smut, etc, out of my email, I was sure that someone had discovered that Renuzit stripped lacquer, or something. Now I'll have to try it myself??? When you get the product from the store, it contains a big blob of perfumed gel. That stuff seems pretty inert, so I would be very surprised that it would react with lacquer. In any event, when you make the Renuzit practice mute, you remove all that gel. All you are left with is a little piece of plastic and the only thing that contacts the bell is the foam you put at the top of the cone, so that won't hurt the lacquer. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2368 Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 15:30:03 +0000 From: "Daniel Pliskin" To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Motivation Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Hello everyone. I'm having a problem I'm sure a lot of you have faced. I'm serious about the trombone and I want to play professionally. I used to practice a LOT, too much sometimes. Lately, however, I haven't had an ounce of motivation to practice and it's killing me. I went through that same state. I had been studying music and practicing jazz and classical guitar, about 12 hours a day. One day I had just had enough. I always wonder if I had just taken a vacation, rather than abandoning music and getting a degree in engineering, whether Iâd have been happier. Iâm certainly not unhappy, now, but· Anyway, I turned 54 yesterday and I was a bit of a prodigy, so Iâve been practicing one instrument or another for the last 50 years. Things to try: Try just goofing off with the trombone. Get your face-time, but spend that time just adlibbing, not working on anything in particular. Try taking time off. One of the things that amazes me, when Iâm forced to take some time away from my instruments is where my musical thoughts drift. When I do get back to practicing, my chops are a mess, but my musical ideas are invigorated. Play another instrument, for a while. Nothing gets your head thinking about different musical ideas better than playing a different instrument. Start taking engineering courses. DanP _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2368 Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 11:39:59 -0400 From: "Tim Skinner" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Link to Renuzit Mute Instructions Message-ID: <000601c1eadd$20cb2220$0f8afea9@default36ezpf3> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C1EABB.99B98220" For those, like me, who have not heard of these before, http://www.dallasmusic.org/gearhead/Renuzit%20Practice%20Mute.html . And apologies, I think I sent this message to a few people personally before getting it right! Tim ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2368--