TROMBONE-L Digest 2326 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Reynolds? Roth-Reynolds? by Bob Beecher 2) Re: Chicago Civic Orchestra by Walter Barrett 3) But will we miss the Bear? by Keith Davis 4) RE: Reynolds? Roth-Reynolds? by "Gary Maxwell" 5) RE: Reynolds Instruments (double valve bass) by Gabriel Langfur 6) Re: Chicago Civic Orchestra by "Fred Hudson" 7) RE: Bending pitches by richardt@LEE.ARMY.MIL 8) Airway surgery and sleep apnea and playing trombone. by "Richard Johnson" 9) Re: Airway surgery and sleep apnea and playing trombone. by Craig Parmerlee 10) RE: Bending pitches by sabutin 11) Airway surgery and sleep apnea and playing trombone. by Bruce Guttman 12) Re: Airway surgery and sleep apnea and playing trombone. by ALFORDMB@aol.com 13) Re: Airway surgery and sleep apnea and playing trombone. by "Jerry Blomberg" 14) Re: But will we miss the Bear? by Walter Barrett 15) Re: Airway surgery and sleep apnea and playing trombone. by "Richard Zemry Johnson" 16) Re: Airway surgery and sleep apnea and playing trombone. by "Daniel Pliskin" 17) Re: But will we miss the Bear? by "Adrian Drover" 18) Re: Chicago Civic Orchestra by "Adrian Drover" 19) Re: Chicago Civic Orchestra - Tangent Warning by "Rod Ellard" 20) Re: Airway surgery and sleep apnea and playing trombone. by Earl Needham 21) Re: Airway surgery and sleep apnea and playing trombone. by "Fred Hudson" 22) Snoring and Sleep Apnea by "s76lewis" 23) Re: Chicago Civic Orchestra by "Hamish Dean" 24) Re: Chicago Civic Orchestra - Tangent Warning by Eric & Candice Swanson 25) Colleges...Random Thoughts by "Elisabeth Frederick" 26) RE: Various ranges (especially high range) and the tongue by "Tom Izzo" 27) Re: Colleges...Random Thoughts by sabutin 28) RE: Colleges...Random Thoughts by "Jeff Albert" 29) Re: D. Ansing & Co. Trombone by "Fred Hudson" 30) Re: Snoring and Sleep Apnea by "Adrian Drover" 31) Re: Chicago Civic Orchestra by "Adrian Drover" 32) Re: Various ranges (especially high range) and the tongue by "Adrian Drover" 33) RE: Various ranges (especially high range) and the tongue by richardt@LEE.ARMY.MIL 34) RE: Colleges...Random Thoughts by Steve Gamble 35) Re: Chicago Civic Orchestra by Craig Parmerlee 36) Re: Colleges...Random Thoughts by Roger Hecht 37) RE: Chicago Civic Orchestra - Tangent Warning by "Guion, David" <8guion@jmls.edu> 38) Re: Chicago Civic Orchestra - Tangent Warning by BITEensemble@aol.com 39) Re: Chicago Civic Orchestra - Tangent Warning by Walter Barrett 40) Re: Chicago Civic Orchestra - Tangent Warning by "Daniel Pliskin" 41) Re: Airway surgery and sleep apnea and playing trombone. by Gabriel Langfur 42) Funnel Shaped Mpces? by "Johnson, Scott (TBS)" 43) Re: Colleges...Random Thoughts by Gabriel Langfur 44) Re: Colleges...Random Thoughts by "Aaron Roth" 45) Contra: Chicago Civic Orchestra - Tangent Warning by "Aaron Roth" ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2326 Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 10:15:59 -0800 From: Bob Beecher To: Trombone List Subject: Reynolds? Roth-Reynolds? Message-ID: <3C8CF45F.E13A681B@bobbeecher.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit With these Reynolds questions, I've been looking at the history of this company and I cannot find the origin of the name "Roth". I know about Foster A. Reynolds and his association with York, White and the eventual merge with Olds. But where does the name "Roth" fit in? Hmmmm? Bob -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Beecher Music Editor for Film & Television email: me@BobBeecher.com Captain, USAF Aux, Civil Air Patrol http://BobBeecher.com VNY Sr Sqdn 128 / Yosemite 471 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2326 Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 13:22:00 -0500 From: Walter Barrett To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Chicago Civic Orchestra Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit On 3/11/02 12:39 PM, Fred Hudson expounded thusly... > Beethoven introduced trombones to the symphony (or should I say introduced > the symphony to trombones) in the 4th movement of his fifth. Prior to that, > Mozart and Haydn in particular did not include us in their Symphonic works. > Therefore there is substantial symphonic literature to sustain a > "low-brassless" orchestra for several seasons. > > Fred Hudson I think that Adrian was curious about the woodwinds, which are usually scored in pairs (2222). Later on, you see 3333 in wind scoring, but that would be in an orchestra that would, for the most part, include low brass. More modern composers have omitted low brass as well, Prokofiev's "Classical Symphony" comes to mind, and BTW, the winds there are 2222. The third parts would most likely be English Horn, Piccolo, Bass Clarinet (maybe Eb Clarinet), and Contrabassoon (the only woodwind to also be a member of the percussion family! Listen to a low Bb, you'll find out why...) Civic likely wants to have the parts/players available for later in the season, and in the meantime, can rotate these extra players around the seats. Of course, the low brass are considered expendable, although I can't imagine that they'll be saving that much money not bringing them in for the whole season. If they cut 1 or 2 administrative jobs, they'd probably have enough to have a full trombone choir! -- Walter Barrett "It is being recognized as the icon representing the great wake up call, the voice of the soul, the power of transformation, character and forgiveness. It is the icon of world peace, the herald of the new paradigm." -Abbie Conant, speaking about the trombone Yamaha Artist/Clinician Tenor, Alto, Bass Trombones Euphonium Bass Trumpet Tuba ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2326 Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 13:35:12 -0500 From: Keith Davis To: Trombone List Subject: But will we miss the Bear? Message-ID: <3C8CF8E0.178EA470@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have been lurking and reading the whole list monitor / Woodsan's text thing and would just like to make an observation: Most of Mr. Woodsan's postings talked about the pieces he is busy writing, and the fact that he is busy writing concertos for every instrument and blah blah blah........... IMHO, these posting offered little to the good of the group. Never a link to a URL where we could hear a sample of his work, nothing posted for use to see / try out. I could never get to excited about his "vaporware" compositions. This is what I can tell you about his stuff: 1) He's waiting for someone to play it before we can know anything about it and 2) it's too hard for us to play, but we should learn it and better the plight of the trombone. He has never once talked about Slide-o-Mix, and I think that says it all So, I don't think I will miss reading his postings. He's free to start his own list -- it's a free Internet. He can always establish a Yahoo Group and all the Bear postings fans can view them there. Keith ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2326 Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 11:34:52 -0800 From: "Gary Maxwell" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: Reynolds? Roth-Reynolds? Message-ID: <659829993461CA49942D1312DE3436918309F9@edcenmail1.bcsd.k12.ca.us> content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1C933.D0EAA71E" From: Bob Beecher [mailto:me@bobbeecher.com] I cannot find the origin of the name "Roth".Ê Hmmmm? ======================================================= I believe Roth was a son of Mr. Reynolds. There was another, if I'm not mistaken. BTW, after the junkie little "Regent" I started on, I played a Roth-Renolds. It was a very good student line instrument, and really well built for a student. FWIW All the best, Gary Maxwell Bass Trombone (The "Contempora, dbl. valve was also pretty fair.) Bakersfield Symphony Orchestra ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2326 Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 11:37:51 -0800 (PST) From: Gabriel Langfur To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: Reynolds Instruments (double valve bass) Message-ID: <20020311193751.99259.qmail@web10305.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > --- Edward Solomon wrote: > > Ray Premru, when interviewed for a book called > > "Orchestra" by Andre Previn, > > claimed that the Wick/B&H instrument was being widely > > copied in the USA at > > the time, which was in the 1970s, so I am not going to > > argue with him on > > that one. I think his voice is one of authority when it > > comes to playing > > bass trombone! > It certainly is (or was - he was my teacher, and I miss him very much)...but Ray never really had a double valve bass trombone he liked until he got an Edwards with thayer valves - and even then he preferred a single thayer over a double. Gabe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2326 Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 14:00:15 -0600 From: "Fred Hudson" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Chicago Civic Orchestra Message-ID: <00dc01c1c937$5d9f74c0$311298d8@s0024172501> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry, the 3333 winds slipped past me, I was thinking only in terms of Classical period scoring. Fred ----- Original Message ----- From: "Walter Barrett" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 12:22 PM Subject: Re: Chicago Civic Orchestra > On 3/11/02 12:39 PM, Fred Hudson expounded thusly... > > > Beethoven introduced trombones to the symphony (or should I say introduced > > the symphony to trombones) in the 4th movement of his fifth. Prior to that, > > Mozart and Haydn in particular did not include us in their Symphonic works. > > Therefore there is substantial symphonic literature to sustain a > > "low-brassless" orchestra for several seasons. > > > > Fred Hudson > > I think that Adrian was curious about the woodwinds, which are usually > scored in pairs (2222). Later on, you see 3333 in wind scoring, but that > would be in an orchestra that would, for the most part, include low brass. > More modern composers have omitted low brass as well, Prokofiev's "Classical > Symphony" comes to mind, and BTW, the winds there are 2222. > > The third parts would most likely be English Horn, Piccolo, Bass Clarinet > (maybe Eb Clarinet), and Contrabassoon (the only woodwind to also be a > member of the percussion family! Listen to a low Bb, you'll find out why...) > Civic likely wants to have the parts/players available for later in the > season, and in the meantime, can rotate these extra players around the > seats. Of course, the low brass are considered expendable, although I can't > imagine that they'll be saving that much money not bringing them in for the > whole season. If they cut 1 or 2 administrative jobs, they'd probably have > enough to have a full trombone choir! > -- > Walter Barrett > > "It is being recognized as the icon representing the great wake up call, the > voice of the soul, the power of transformation, character and forgiveness. > It is the icon of world peace, the herald of the new paradigm." > -Abbie Conant, speaking about the trombone > > > Yamaha Artist/Clinician > Tenor, Alto, Bass Trombones > Euphonium > Bass Trumpet > Tuba > > > > > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2326 Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 15:35:45 -0500 From: richardt@LEE.ARMY.MIL To: jgreen@twics.com, trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: RE: Bending pitches Message-ID: <81F62454EA21B94EA95517180D7303730243F8DD@lee-is-102.lee.army.mil> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1C93C.5209CFC0" I think there is an alternate harmonic series, as Sam suggests, or maybe it was the list monitor. Hey, maybe Sam IS the list monitor, he is regaining his anonymity vicariously! And as Svenne suggests the bell flare is a likely candidate for the cause, combined with the cooperative regime theory. But I think it is a subtle thing, and causes only a small blip in the assymetric response you have noticed. In other words, both are going on essentially independently. One could easily play all his life and never notice the existence of an alternate series, but even a junior high beginner can tell you it's harder to bend up than down.Ê -----Original Message----- From: Joseph Green [mailto:jgreen@twics.com] Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2002 6:04 PM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Re: Bending pitches Thanks to all who responded to my question. For those who don't remember -- or weren't on the list then -- I asked why bending pitches down is so much easier than bending them up. I didn't expect the answers to require an understanding of quantum physics, so I'm still working on those. Exploring the alternate harmonic series will also take time; and if this really has something to do with the bell flare, then I have an idea... JG (Actually, I can change the fundamental from Bb to B just by inserting the "correct" practice mute!) ++++++++++++++++ ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2326 Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 14:41:36 -0600 From: "Richard Johnson" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Airway surgery and sleep apnea and playing trombone. Message-ID: <007701c1c93d$23e9d6c0$652b9eac@zemry> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My doctor told me that I have sleep apnea. It is a problem that causes problems sleeping, heavy snoring, higher risks of high blood pressure and heart problems. There are several solutions; (1) lose weight, which I intend on doing (2) sleep with some stupid contraction hooked to my nose, which I don't intend on doing or (3) have minor out-patient surgery which will increase the size of my airway and enable me to sleep better, less snoring, perhaps lower blood pressure. I fully intend to have this surgery, if called for. I'll know more Friday morning, after my sleeping test. Excess weight seems to decrease the size of the airway and this causes sleep apnea, from what I understand. I would hazard that a smaller airway would also be detrimental to playing trombone. Now my questions. First, has anyone on the list had this surgery? Secondly, after the surgery was your playing the same, better or worse? Third, how long does it take to start playing again? **************************************************************************** ** Richard Zemry Johnson, Jr. "The Untouchables" Jazz Ensemble Shreveport Metropolitan Concert Band ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, , "There won't come a time when you won't have to practice anymore." J. J. Johnson **************************************************************************** ***** I'm not satisfied with anything about my playing. I know what I want. I can hear it; but it will take time and study to get it" -Sonny Rollins (1956) ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2326 Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 16:01:08 -0500 From: Craig Parmerlee To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Airway surgery and sleep apnea and playing trombone. Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20020311155542.0283e0e0@acticalc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I'm glad you raised those questions Richard. I have been wondering exactly the same things. I'm not sure that I am at the sleep apnea stage, but snoring has been on a continuous increase. Nowadays I can feel the restricted throat passage even while awake. I believe there are several different surgeries in this area. One takes a scalpel to the uvula. Anther hits it with a laser to reduce the size. I think this may be done in several steps. Another think I've heard about is a therapy that reduces the mass of the tongue, as apparently that contributes to snoring. I'd appreciate hearing experiences with any of these treatments. I'm also curious how your insurance company treats it. At 02:41 PM 3/11/2002 -0600, Richard Johnson wrote: My doctor told me that I have sleep apnea. It is a problem that causes problems sleeping, heavy snoring, higher risks of high blood pressure and heart problems. There are several solutions; (1) lose weight, which I intend on doing (2) sleep with some stupid contraction hooked to my nose, which I don't intend on doing or (3) have minor out-patient surgery which will increase the size of my airway and enable me to sleep better, less snoring, perhaps lower blood pressure. I fully intend to have this surgery, if called for. I'll know more Friday morning, after my sleeping test. Excess weight seems to decrease the size of the airway and this causes sleep apnea, from what I understand. I would hazard that a smaller airway would also be detrimental to playing trombone. Now my questions. First, has anyone on the list had this surgery? Secondly, after the surgery was your playing the same, better or worse? Third, how long does it take to start playing again? **************************************************************************** ** Richard Zemry Johnson, Jr. "The Untouchables" Jazz Ensemble Shreveport Metropolitan Concert Band ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, , "There won't come a time when you won't have to practice anymore." J. J. Johnson **************************************************************************** ***** I'm not satisfied with anything about my playing. I know what I want. I can hear it; but it will take time and study to get it" -Sonny Rollins (1956) ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2326 Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 16:42:28 -0500 From: sabutin To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: RE: Bending pitches Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" I think there is an alternate harmonic series, as Sam suggests, or maybe it was the list monitor. Hey, maybe Sam IS the list monitor, he is regaining his anonymity vicariously! ============== Naaaahhhh...I'm not even the HALL monitor. S. ---snip--- ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2326 Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 16:56:16 -0500 From: Bruce Guttman To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Airway surgery and sleep apnea and playing trombone. Message-ID: <200203111656_MC3-F556-D747@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message text written by INTERNET:zemry@bellsouth.net > My doctor told me that I have sleep apnea. It is a problem that causes problems sleeping, heavy snoring, higher risks of high blood pressure and heart problems. There are several solutions; (1) lose weight, which I intend on doing (2) sleep with some stupid contraction hooked to my nose, which I don't intend on doing or (3) have minor out-patient surgery which will increase the size of my airway and enable me to sleep better, less snoring, perhaps lower blood pressure. I fully intend to have this surgery, if called for. I'll know more Friday morning, after my sleeping test. < Rich (and all others interested) I have had Sleep Apnea for most of my life. Snored loud enough to wake the neighbors in a private house. My wife seriously threatened to leave me over lack of sleep. I found that the surgery would affect my trombone playing. When I was diagnosed, the surgical options were so extreme that I wouldn't be able to maintain a seal, and I'd have to stop playing trombone. I opted for the "stupid contraption" (it's called a CPAP, Cardio-Pulmonary Air Pump). You can get used to it. I certainly did. So did my wife, when she developed Sleep Apnea about 2 years ago. I can tell you that using the CPAP, I don't snore anymore, I wake up a lot more refreshed, and I probably have avoided a fatal heart attack. Yep, we're both fat. Very fat. And we haven't been able to lose weight and keep it off. Part of it is we love to eat. Part of it is genetics (my parents were fat, and we think her's were, too; but she's adopted). If you decide to go for the surgery, you will certainly have to lay off playing until it heals; probably 2 weeks to a month. But talk to the doctor and tell him you play trombone. Bruce Guttman Londonderry, NH ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2326 Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 17:09:29 EST From: ALFORDMB@aol.com To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Airway surgery and sleep apnea and playing trombone. Message-ID: <7e.2412ba48.29be8519@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 03/11/2002 3:56:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, craig@acticalc.com writes: > One takes a > scalpel to the uvula ---------------------------------- This did not help my snoring problem. I also have a little more tendency to get liquid in my windpipe since having this. - nothing serious but a little annoying at times. For what its worth! Mike Alford ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2326 Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 14:53:19 -0800 From: "Jerry Blomberg" To: "trombone list" Subject: Re: Airway surgery and sleep apnea and playing trombone. Message-ID: <001201c1c94f$8aebe7c0$117dd23f@cubs> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I developed very loud snoring, enough so that my wife had to sleep in another room. I had a sleep lab test overnight through my HMO, and they diagnosed a very slight sleep apnea. They recommended I purchase a CPAP device for some outlandish price, but I decided to check out another route. A pharmacist friend told me about a device that could be purchased at the drugstore. It is a rubbery type of mouthpiece that you heat in boiling water and then form it to your mouth and teeth (much like an athlete's mouthpiece). It is called "Snore Ban" and sells for about $19.95. I have used it for several years now and it has cut my snoring way, way down, as my wife will testify. Seems to have worked for me with no problem with my trombone playing. This might help someone . . . Jerry Blomberg jerrzo@netzero.net <>< ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 2:09 PM Subject: Re: Airway surgery and sleep apnea and playing trombone. > In a message dated 03/11/2002 3:56:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, > craig@acticalc.com writes: > > > One takes a > > scalpel to the uvula > ---------------------------------- > This did not help my snoring problem. I also have a little more tendency to > get liquid in my windpipe since having this. - nothing serious but a little > annoying at times. For what its worth! > Mike Alford > ---------------------------------------------------- Sign Up for NetZero Platinum Today Only $9.95 per month! http://my.netzero.net/s/signup?r=platinum&refcd=PT97 ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2326 Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 17:52:00 -0500 From: Walter Barrett To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: But will we miss the Bear? Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit On 3/11/02 1:35 PM, Keith Davis expounded thusly... > He has never once talked about Slide-o-Mix, and I think that says it all > > > So, I don't think I will miss reading his postings. > > He's free to start his own list -- it's a free Internet. He can always > establish a Yahoo Group and all the Bear postings fans can view them > there. He did come out with a good line once in a while, like referring to doublereed players as the "Quackatorium." Just not often enough to offset his other tendencies... -- Walter Barrett Bull horn: a brass instrument that plays notes you wouldn't believe. Cornetti trombosis: disastrous entanglement of brass instruments that can occur when musicians are not careful exiting the stage. Fermatahorn: an Alpine wind instrument used for playing long tones. Fog horn: a brass instrument that plays when the conductor's intentions are not clear. Frugalhorn: a sensible, inexpensive brass instrument. Matterhorn: an instrument of cosmic influence designed to create something out of nothing. Yamaha Artist/Clinician Tenor, Alto, Bass Trombones Euphonium Bass Trumpet Tuba ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2326 Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 16:55:41 -0600 From: "Richard Zemry Johnson" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Airway surgery and sleep apnea and playing trombone. Message-ID: <002c01c1c94f$df5e8ec0$4dfb5141@zemry> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It appears from the messages that I have received so far that sleep apnea may be a bigger problem than I thought. I will go to a sleep clinic at our local hospital this Friday. I will be there from 8:00 p.m. until 6:00 a.m Saturday morning. My doctor, however, seems to be very confident that I have sleep apnea. He specifically said that my airway was very small. I've been using the same doctor for over 10 years now and have a great deal of trust in him. Plus, I represented him in his divorce, which he crawfished on (backed off on, for you non-Louisiananians on the list.:) If I receive the surgery, I don't know whether the doctors will use a scalpel or laser. Somehow, I think that our Louisiana doctors may be more comfortable with a knife than a laser :) Just a lil Southern humor. In any event, if I receive the surgery, I will be wondering how long it will be before I can play trombone again. Hopefully, not too long. I have a paying gig in April at a local jazz festival. Being from a small town which recognizes country and western as being two different and distinct genres of music, paying jazz gigs are far and in-between! I sure would hate to miss one over something as insignificant as potential major health problems:). In some ways, this makes me focus on the physical parts of playing the trombone as it relates to the ability to express artistry. For example, figure skaters are artists, but they have to be athletes in order to express the artistry. Trombone players are the same way. If I have an increased airflow, will it translate into a gain in my ability to express my artistry? Will high notes come easier? Will dynamics be easier to achieve? I, of course, realize that all of these things are achieved by practice. However, if Michael Jordan is affected by a knee problem, practice will not help until he gets the knee taken of. I am very interested in how the increase in airflow will affect my playing. One would think that it would have some effect on it. Well, guess that I may be finding out pretty soon. Gonna eat that last piece of boudin tonight before I start that diet/exercise change in my lifestyle in the morning. No more fried chicken, fried porkchops, corn bread, crawfish etoufee, less potatoes and rice, no more sweet potato pies or pecan pies or bread pudding. Gotta do it though! **************************************************************************** ** Richard Zemry Johnson, Jr. "The Untouchables" Jazz Ensemble Shreveport Metropolitan Concert Band ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, , "There won't come a time when you won't have to practice anymore." J. J. Johnson **************************************************************************** ***** I'm not satisfied with anything about my playing. I know what I want. I can hear it; but it will take time and study to get it" -Sonny Rollins (1956) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Gamble" To: Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 3:17 PM Subject: RE: Airway surgery and sleep apnea and playing trombone. > Hi Richard, > > Our tuba player, Mike Sherline, has sleep apnea and uses the "contraption" > hooked to his nose. He's happy with it. His recommendation: make sure you > go to a reputable sleep clinic, if you haven't already. His explanation of > the problem of sleep apnea wasn't that the airway is too small, rather that > the airway is weak and collapses while sleeping. The significant thing > about the "contraption" is not so much the air it provides but that it > maintains a constant air pressure that keeps the airway open. He sends his > best wishes. > > Steve Gamble > Librarian > Tucson Symphony Orchestra > 2175 N. 6th Ave. > Tucson, AZ 85705 > (520) 792-9155 x118 > (520) 792-9314 fax > sgamble@tucsonsymphony.org ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2326 Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 23:18:44 From: "Daniel Pliskin" To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Airway surgery and sleep apnea and playing trombone. Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Surgery! Yikes! The sister of an old girlfriend was diagnosed with strange growths in her neck and was scheduled for exploratory surgery. Somehow, before the surgery, she was talking with the surgeon and happened to mention that she had a degree in oboe performance. So the surgeon checked her neck and sure enough, those strange lumps were muscles. After that, she kind of lost interest in playing oboe and sold it to me. I still play it. And maybe I now have strange lumps in my throat, too. DanP _________________________________________________________________ Join the worldâs largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2326 Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 00:31:05 -0000 From: "Adrian Drover" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: But will we miss the Bear? Message-ID: <018601c1c95d$718ea5c0$00e568d5@homel29g9mgyk9> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Keith Davis" > He has never once talked about Slide-o-Mix, and I think that says it all > Maybe new trom-l subscribers are now required to take the "Pledge" never to mention it. A. Adrian Drover ADIOS, Scotland www.adios.co.uk Personal email: adrian@adios.co.uk ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2326 Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 00:32:09 -0000 From: "Adrian Drover" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Chicago Civic Orchestra Message-ID: <018701c1c95d$7352eb00$00e568d5@homel29g9mgyk9> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Walter Barrett" > I think that Adrian was curious about the woodwinds, which are usually > scored in pairs (2222). Later on, you see 3333 in wind scoring, but that > would be in an orchestra that would, for the most part, include low brass. > More modern composers have omitted low brass as well, Prokofiev's "Classical > Symphony" comes to mind, and BTW, the winds there are 2222. > > The third parts would most likely be English Horn, Piccolo, Bass Clarinet > (maybe Eb Clarinet), and Contrabassoon..... Ah, thanx Walter. So the CVO will be able to play some Prokofiev. > .....(the only woodwind to also be a > member of the percussion family! Listen to a low Bb, you'll find out why...) Well I sure hope it speaks quicker than the same note on my bass trombone. My pedal BBb is about as percussive as a bowl of jello. A. Adrian Drover ADIOS, Scotland www.adios.co.uk Personal email: adrian@adios.co.uk ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2326 Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 16:46:31 -0800 From: "Rod Ellard" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Chicago Civic Orchestra - Tangent Warning Message-ID: <004f01c1c95f$5b89acf0$61cffea9@rodcomp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > The third parts would most likely be English Horn, Piccolo, Bass Clarinet > (maybe Eb Clarinet), and Contrabassoon (the only woodwind to also be a > member of the percussion family! Listen to a low Bb, you'll find out why...) Is the contrabassoon a double or are there persons who play nothing but? Is there much call for contra-bassoonists? Rod ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2326 Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 18:36:29 -0700 From: Earl Needham To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Airway surgery and sleep apnea and playing trombone. Message-ID: <4.2.2.20020311183534.01988a40@pop3.norton.antivirus> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 02:53 PM 3/11/2002 -0800, Jerry Blomberg wrote: I developed very loud snoring, enough so that my wife had to sleep in another room. I had a sleep lab test overnight through my HMO, and they diagnosed a very slight sleep apnea. They recommended I purchase a CPAP device for some outlandish price, but I decided to check out another route. A pharmacist friend told me about a device that could be purchased at the drugstore. It is a rubbery type of mouthpiece that you heat in boiling water and then form it to your mouth and teeth (much like an athlete's mouthpiece). It is called "Snore Ban" and sells for about $19.95. I have used it for several years now and it has cut my snoring way, way down, as my wife will testify. You can't buy it any more with reducing snoring as the purpose you want one. See http://www.snorban.com/ -- the FDA got their fingers into it! Earl Earl Needham, KD5XB, Clovis, New Mexico KD5XB-2>APW251,PCSAT-1*:=3425.83N/10313.55W-PHG7150/WinAPRS 2.5.1 -EARL_CLOVIS -251-<630> Did you get a letter from Nigeria offering a "deal"? See http://home.rica.net/alphae/419coal/ and http://www.crimes-of-persuasion.com/Crimes/Business/nigerian.htm ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2326 Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 21:15:05 -0600 From: "Fred Hudson" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Airway surgery and sleep apnea and playing trombone. Message-ID: <012001c1c974$482d4440$311298d8@s0024172501> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Richard, I think that you are making a good move to go to the sleep clinic. I feel sure that they will confirm what your personal physician has diagnosed, but I have seen some TV specials on sleep apnea and if you can sleep in the clinic atmosphere with all the instrumentation they attach, you may decide that the assisted breathing device option is worth trying. May the Force Be With You! Fred Hudson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Zemry Johnson" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 4:55 PM Subject: Re: Airway surgery and sleep apnea and playing trombone. > It appears from the messages that I have received so far that sleep apnea > may be a bigger problem than I thought. I will go to a sleep clinic at our > local hospital this Friday. I will be there from 8:00 p.m. until 6:00 a.m > Saturday morning. My doctor, however, seems to be very confident that I have > sleep apnea. He specifically said that my airway was very small. I've been > using the same doctor for over 10 years now and have a great deal of trust > in him. Plus, I represented him in his divorce, which he crawfished on > (backed off on, for you non-Louisiananians on the list.:) > > If I receive the surgery, I don't know whether the doctors will use a > scalpel or laser. Somehow, I think that our Louisiana doctors may be more > comfortable with a knife than a laser :) Just a lil Southern humor. In any > event, if I receive the surgery, I will be wondering how long it will be > before I can play trombone again. Hopefully, not too long. I have a paying > gig in April at a local jazz festival. Being from a small town which > recognizes country and western as being two different and distinct genres of > music, paying jazz gigs are far and in-between! I sure would hate to miss > one over something as insignificant as potential major health problems:). > > In some ways, this makes me focus on the physical parts of playing the > trombone as it relates to the ability to express artistry. For example, > figure skaters are artists, but they have to be athletes in order to express > the artistry. Trombone players are the same way. If I have an increased > airflow, will it translate into a gain in my ability to express my artistry? > Will high notes come easier? Will dynamics be easier to achieve? I, of > course, realize that all of these things are achieved by practice. However, > if Michael Jordan is affected by a knee problem, practice will not help > until he gets the knee taken of. > > I am very interested in how the increase in airflow will affect my playing. > One would think that it would have some effect on it. Well, guess that I may > be finding out pretty soon. Gonna eat that last piece of boudin tonight > before I start that diet/exercise change in my lifestyle in the morning. > > No more fried chicken, fried porkchops, corn bread, crawfish etoufee, less > potatoes and rice, no more sweet potato pies or pecan pies or bread pudding. > Gotta do it though! > **************************************************************************** > ** > Richard Zemry Johnson, Jr. > "The Untouchables" Jazz Ensemble > Shreveport Metropolitan Concert Band > ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, > , > "There won't come a time when you won't have to practice anymore." > J. J. Johnson > > **************************************************************************** > ***** > I'm not satisfied with anything about my playing. I know what I want. I can > hear it; but it will take time and study to get it" > -Sonny Rollins > (1956) > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve Gamble" > To: > Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 3:17 PM > Subject: RE: Airway surgery and sleep apnea and playing trombone. > > > > Hi Richard, > > > > Our tuba player, Mike Sherline, has sleep apnea and uses the "contraption" > > hooked to his nose. He's happy with it. His recommendation: make sure > you > > go to a reputable sleep clinic, if you haven't already. His explanation > of > > the problem of sleep apnea wasn't that the airway is too small, rather > that > > the airway is weak and collapses while sleeping. The significant thing > > about the "contraption" is not so much the air it provides but that it > > maintains a constant air pressure that keeps the airway open. He sends > his > > best wishes. > > > > Steve Gamble > > Librarian > > Tucson Symphony Orchestra > > 2175 N. 6th Ave. > > Tucson, AZ 85705 > > (520) 792-9155 x118 > > (520) 792-9314 fax > > sgamble@tucsonsymphony.org > > > > > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2326 Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 21:39:35 -0600 From: "s76lewis" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Snoring and Sleep Apnea Message-ID: <004701c1c977$89d98630$6501a8c0@sandy> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Richard, The procedure that I read about 10 years ago was to cut several notches on either side of the uvula, an office procedure, and not for wind players! Read all the fine print. Are you affected with fatigue? I snore and never seem to get a good night's rest. My husband thinks all trombone players must snore . (I started snoring when I went back to playing 3 years ago.) Sandy Lewis (rattling the windows in Southwestern Louisiana) ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2326 Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 17:28:33 +1300 From: "Hamish Dean" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Chicago Civic Orchestra Message-ID: <004301c1c97e$5fd45de0$436d4fcb@slidemo> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit And what about all those strings!!!!!! surely they don't need that many to play Hadyn and Mozart. You ditch 3 of them and Voila!!! you can add 3 bones and play a whole lot more repertoire just my 2c Hamish ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adrian Drover" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 8:27 PM Subject: Re: Chicago Civic Orchestra > > From: "Brian Frederiksen" > > > Civic will have a string section of 14, 12, 10, 8, 6. We will have winds > of > > 3333 and to start the year will have brass of 4200 [4 horns, 2 trumpets, 0 > > trombones, 0 tubas]. Mid-year 3 trombones and > > tuba as well as harp and percussion will be added. Timpani will be a > > full-year position. > > > Woodwind in 3s, but no low brass? Seems a little unbalanced to me. Please > forgive my jazz-minded ignorance of the SO, but have any composers actually > written for this combination? > > A. > > Adrian Drover > ADIOS, Scotland www.adios.co.uk > Personal email: adrian@adios.co.uk > > > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2326 Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 22:50:02 -0500 From: Eric & Candice Swanson Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Chicago Civic Orchestra - Tangent Warning Message-ID: <3C8D7AEA.5AA2C6D8@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Rod Ellard wrote: > Is the contrabassoon a double or are there persons who play nothing but? Is > there much call for contra-bassoonists? > Rod, Contrabassoon is played by a bassoon player, but some sort of specialize in it. It is used quite a bit in opera I know, and in symphonies too. I think you will hear it a lot on movie soundtracks if you listen for it. Eric Swanson ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2326 Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 22:17:48 -0800 From: "Elisabeth Frederick" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Colleges...Random Thoughts Message-ID: <000701c1c98d$a2d4a0a0$7e72fb3f@d9h2z9> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello List.....Valuable Source of Random Knowledge! I've been thinking......(can you hear the jaws theme?).....about the whole college thing. I have been told many times one of the most important things about choosing a music school is whoever your private teacher will be. But, let pretend....(whole tone scale, ala Mr. Rogers neighborhood) ....off to the land of make believe. I have applied to, auditioned for, and am interested in going to either UCLA or CSU Fullerton. (I also applied to CSU Northridge, but its so far away, and they seem disorganized) As far as I know, I have the GPA and the proper requirements to make it pass admissions, AND, I have gotten the distinct impression both from myself and the people listening in the auditions, that they liked what they heard. So....pretend....I can go to either school. I haven't really met the teacher at UCLA, Bill Booth, so I can't say if I 'know' that I really like or dislike him. I can say that he plays very well. I'm planning on getting a lesson soon, before acceptance letters come out, so I have a better idea. But, how should I decide? Prestige? Money? Location? Some things that bug me; I don't like that it is so difficult to have a car in LA. I like the idea of being able to go home and see my boyfriend etc. The price difference. I am impressed with how cheap CSU's are. I didn't really realize it. But, I want to be in an environment where I am a 'little' fish in a big pond. Or so I think. At the JR College I'm at I am THE trombone player that is 'really' involved in the music department, therefore I am a very big fish in a really small pond. I do think that some competition would be good for me, but how do I gauge how much is good? I am very motivated, I like to play 'hard' music. I love challenges. Does it really matter if I am a big fish or a little fish? Fishy swimming off to practice? With Fins? Ahhh...I can't hold the slide! Sorry for my rambling, hope you like my imagery! Liz A big fish, needing a bigger pond. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2326 Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 00:27:20 -0600 From: "Tom Izzo" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: Various ranges (especially high range) and the tongue Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0052_01C1C95C.AC211CF0" HEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! -----Original Message----- From: owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu [mailto:owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu]On Behalf Of richardt@LEE.ARMY.MIL Well, here's an opposite opinion. Singers who don't use their tongue, and who sing most of the time on pure vowels, producing the most pure and powerful tones, are completely un-understandable. There are lots of these, they are called opera singers, and before you jump all over me, I know it is in some dead language.Ê Not always! Only Latin is a dead language. Italian is not dead, nor is German, French, Russian, etc. But I've heard it done in English and guess what, you can't understand it any better. You generalize way too much. Never heard Peter Grimes, Amahl & the Night Visitors, The Medium, Les MisŽrables, Tommy? There are lots of Opers written in English, most others have good translations somewhere. Not all Opera singers "warble" as you describe. Your generalizations are like saying ALL woodwind instruments are made of wood, or ALL Trombones are in Bb. We know that neither of these is true, nor that NOT all OPera singers are unintelligible. You just haven't heard any that YOU understood. Now compare this to singers who articulate with the tongue, like some Broadway singers, oh, maybe Liza Minelli, etc. You can hear every word.Ê I wouldn't say you could understand everything she sings either.Ê Tom (disliking generalizations even in opinions) ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2326 Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 01:36:51 -0500 From: sabutin To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Colleges...Random Thoughts Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Hello List.....Valuable Source of Random Knowledge! I've been thinking......(can you hear the jaws theme?).....about the whole college thing. I have been told many times one of the most important things about choosing a music school is whoever your private teacher will be. But, let pretend....(whole tone scale, ala Mr. Rogers neighborhood) ....off to the land of make believe. I have applied to, auditioned for, and am interested in going to either UCLA or CSU Fullerton. (I also applied to CSU Northridge, but its so far away, and they seem disorganized) As far as I know, I have the GPA and the proper requirements to make it pass admissions, AND, I have gotten the distinct impression both from myself and the people listening in the auditions, that they liked what they heard. So....pretend....I can go to either school. I haven't really met the teacher at UCLA, Bill Booth, so I can't say if I 'know' that I really like or dislike him. I can say that he plays very well. I'm planning on getting a lesson soon, before acceptance letters come out, so I have a better idea. But, how should I decide? Prestige? Money? Location? ================ Can't figure it out? Too many variables? The brain is a lonely hunter, and often comes home empty handed. Use your heart. Go to UCLA and hang out for a few hours during a time when the school is in full swing. Take lesson, go watch some rehearsals. Meet some people. WATCH some people. Then do the same thing at Fullerton. Choose the one you like best, the one that has people more like you.. It really is that simple. Like choosing a horn or a m'pce or a friend...too many variables for the little yes-or-no mind. Good luck... S. Some things that bug me; I don't like that it is so difficult to have a car in LA. I like the idea of being able to go home and see my boyfriend etc. The price difference. I am impressed with how cheap CSU's are. I didn't really realize it. But, I want to be in an environment where I am a 'little' fish in a big pond. Or so I think. At the JR College I'm at I am THE trombone player that is 'really' involved in the music department, therefore I am a very big fish in a really small pond. I do think that some competition would be good for me, but how do I gauge how much is good? I am very motivated, I like to play 'hard' music. I love challenges. Does it really matter if I am a big fish or a little fish? Fishy swimming off to practice? With Fins? Ahhh...I can't hold the slide! Sorry for my rambling, hope you like my imagery! Liz A big fish, needing a bigger pond. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2326 Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 01:16:52 -0600 From: "Jeff Albert" To: , "'Trombones and related issues forum.'" Subject: RE: Colleges...Random Thoughts Message-ID: <000601c1c995$e2368b20$ab289d42@jeff> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sam's point about go where it "feels" good is very true. He said go where there are more people like you. I will add to that, go where there are people that you want to be like, and I mean that more in a musical sense than a social one, although that applies too. I know very little about the music program at either school, so I will just use examples. If you want to be an orchestral player, go to the place that has, or has produced orchestral players. If you want to play in a rock band, go to the place where the horn players are active in that stuff. I went to undergrad at a school where there were two older trombone players that worked, a lot for college students, and eventually ended up having great pro careers (Harry Connick jrs band, traveling bway shows, etc). I would say that 75% of the work I have had, is in some way derivative of gigs I originally got from one of those guys. Even today, my biggest account is with a group of guys that I met while subbing for one of the upperclassmen. I guess my rambling point is that you are very likely to end up doing similar things musically to those around you, so take that into consideration. Jeff Albert www.jeffalbert.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu [mailto:owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu] On Behalf Of Elisabeth Frederick Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 12:18 AM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Colleges...Random Thoughts Hello List.....Valuable Source of Random Knowledge! I've been thinking......(can you hear the jaws theme?).....about the whole college thing. I have been told many times one of the most important things about choosing a music school is whoever your private teacher will be. But, let pretend....(whole tone scale, ala Mr. Rogers neighborhood) ....off to the land of make believe. I have applied to, auditioned for, and am interested in going to either UCLA or CSU Fullerton. (I also applied to CSU Northridge, but its so far away, and they seem disorganized) As far as I know, I have the GPA and the proper requirements to make it pass admissions, AND, I have gotten the distinct impression both from myself and the people listening in the auditions, that they liked what they heard. So....pretend....I can go to either school. I haven't really met the teacher at UCLA, Bill Booth, so I can't say if I 'know' that I really like or dislike him. I can say that he plays very well. I'm planning on getting a lesson soon, before acceptance letters come out, so I have a better idea. But, how should I decide? Prestige? Money? Location? Some things that bug me; I don't like that it is so difficult to have a car in LA. I like the idea of being able to go home and see my boyfriend etc. The price difference. I am impressed with how cheap CSU's are. I didn't really realize it. But, I want to be in an environment where I am a 'little' fish in a big pond. Or so I think. At the JR College I'm at I am THE trombone player that is 'really' involved in the music department, therefore I am a very big fish in a really small pond. I do think that some competition would be good for me, but how do I gauge how much is good? I am very motivated, I like to play 'hard' music. I love challenges. Does it really matter if I am a big fish or a little fish? Fishy swimming off to practice? With Fins? Ahhh...I can't hold the slide! Sorry for my rambling, hope you like my imagery! Liz A big fish, needing a bigger pond. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2326 Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 01:28:56 -0600 From: "Fred Hudson" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." , "Corneille van der Ploeg" Subject: Re: D. Ansing & Co. Trombone Message-ID: <014d01c1c997$92fd4100$311298d8@s0024172501> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Corneille, Thank you for your effort in researching D. Ansingh & Co. Your personal relationship to mr. Henk van Loo, sr has yielded much more information than you could have obtained by spending hours researching the voluminous archive. What you have learned so far is sufficient to place my trombone in the proper historical perspective. I will be glad to have any further information you happen to run across in similar circumstances, such as conversations with other colleagues; but I believe that a manual search of such huge archive files would result in a tremendous effort with very little return of useful information. So again I thank you for the information you have passed to me from mr. van Loo as well as the archive source links you sent in your previous communication. Perhaps I shall have an opportunity to return the favor some day. Fred Hudson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Corneille van der Ploeg" To: "Fred Hudson" Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2002 11:19 AM Subject: Re: D. Ansing & Co. Trombone > Hello Fred, > > I found out a bit more about Ansingh & Co this week, but nothing much > particular about your horn, though. > > I paid a visit to the Historisch Centrum Overijssel. They _have_ the > Ansingh archive, but (and it's a big but) it is stored at another location, > meaning it is not directly accessible. I can only get my hands on a maximum > of five archive-boxes at a time and only by appointment. The situation is > not made any better by the fact that this particular archive is not (yet) > indexed, so it is in chronological order at best. Unless I know what year > I'm looking for they probably cannot help me. Bummer. > > They _did_ have the records of the Chamber of Commerce pertaining to > Ansingh & Co, so I had a look at those. I extracted the following: > > - The record mentions that the firm has been in business since 1875. > - It was first registered with the Chamber of Commerce in June 1921 as > "firma D. Ansingh en Co.", retailing in musical instruments, musical > scores, etc. > - The firm changed ownership in 1910. No mention of the previous owner; I > assume it was a mr. D. Ansingh ;-) The new owner is mr. Rudolf Beima. The > firm is based at Diezerstraat 113, Zwolle. > - In December 1923 the firm is reregistered as "N.V. D. Ansing & Co Piano > en Orgelhandel" ("piano and organ trade"). > - On March 1, 1977, Beima retires (after 67 years!) as director of the firm > for reasons of ill health. After this date, business appears to slowly > decline, with two further name changes, and a bankruptcy in the 1980's. > > Not much to work with so far, were it not for my band director, mr. Henk > van Loo sr. He has been in the business of teaching music and conducting > orchestras and bands since he was 19 years old in 1945(!). What better > person to ask about times gone by, one might say. His answer to my cautious > question whether he could tell me anything about this firm called D. > Ansingh & Co was a resounding "Yeeeessss". He went on to tell me that > Ansingh made a whole range of instruments under the name 'Solist' in the > 50's, and that at one time he himself directed a band almost entirely made > up of 'Solist' instruments. His guess was that a trombone with serial > number 12 is probably early fifties. > > Weeelll, noooowwwww we're getting somewhere. It's also as far as I got, for > now. If you want to know more, let me know. I leave it up to you to post > this to the trombone-l. > > Corneille > > P.S.: You got "WETTIG GEDEPONEERD" right. It means "registered trademark". > > > At 21:05 3-3-2002 -0600, you wrote: > >Hello Corneille, > > > >Thank you so much for your interest and offer to research further into the > >archives of D. Ansingh & Co. I would like to know something about the > >years they manufactured trombones and how many they made. Since the one I > >have has a very low serial number (12) and so little is known about them, > >my guess is that they never made very many trombones. There is a medallion > >soldered to the bell depicting a musician dressed in formal attire which > >seems to be charactistic of the 1920 -1930 time period. I am attaching a > >photograph showing this detail. The small letters underneath the word > >"SOLIST" appear to be "WETTIG GEDEPONEERD" although some of the letters > >are difficult to interpret. > > > >I also have attached for potential identification a photograph of the > >"spit valve" or which is a spring-loaded check valve rather than the more > >common water key arrangement. Also for size reference a photo of the > >instrument along side my King 2B Liberty and Bach 36B. > > > >I will really appreciate any information you can find on this interesting > >instrument. > > > >Fred Hudson > > > > > > > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2326 Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 09:40:48 -0000 From: "Adrian Drover" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Snoring and Sleep Apnea Message-ID: <008a01c1c9aa$1c245150$f796fc3e@homel29g9mgyk9> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "s76lewis" > (I started > snoring when I went back to playing 3 years ago.) I only have a problem when the band leader calls for "Tuxedo Junction". A. Adrian Drover ADIOS, Scotland www.adios.co.uk Personal email: adrian@adios.co.uk ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2326 Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 09:40:57 -0000 From: "Adrian Drover" To: "Hamish Dean" , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Chicago Civic Orchestra Message-ID: <008b01c1c9aa$1da3ec70$f796fc3e@homel29g9mgyk9> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Hamish Dean" > > Civic will have a string section of 14, 12, 10, 8, 6. > And what about all those strings!!!!!! surely they don't need that many to > play Hadyn and Mozart. You ditch 3 of them and Voila!!!..... ( I'd ditch all the "Voilas" ). >.....you can add 3 bones > and play a whole lot more repertoire Yes, and do they really need 6 string basses in the rhythm section? A. Adrian Drover ADIOS, Scotland www.adios.co.uk Personal email: adrian@adios.co.uk ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2326 Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 09:41:01 -0000 From: "Adrian Drover" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Various ranges (especially high range) and the tongue Message-ID: <008c01c1c9aa$1fe26ac0$f796fc3e@homel29g9mgyk9> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit RE: Various ranges (especially high range) and the tongue From: Tom Izzo Not always! Only Latin is a dead language. Italian is not dead, nor is German, French, Russian, etc. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Seems to me there's still a heck of a lot of Latin used even today. Who says it's dead? A. Adrian Drover ADIOS, Scotland www.adios.co.uk Personal email: adrian@adios.co.uk ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2326 Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 07:52:32 -0500 From: richardt@LEE.ARMY.MIL To: jeanvaljean@ntsource.com, richardt@LEE.ARMY.MIL, trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: RE: Various ranges (especially high range) and the tongue Message-ID: <81F62454EA21B94EA95517180D7303730243F8DF@lee-is-102.lee.army.mil> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1C9C4.C65189D0" Tom is quite correct, I generalized too much and used an incorrect term, dead language, for which I plead poetic license. In fact I've never heard an opera in Latin, which I think you would agree is dead; I have heard a number in Italian which probably has some similarities!Ê I think it would be fair to say that in singing the text carries a high degree of importance. At least, it does to me. While possibly not all opera singers do this, it does appear that a disturbing number of singers emphasize the tone and the vowel at the expense of the consonant and intelligibility. They learned this in school, it is "correct." Nevertheless I don't like it and I consider it wrong headed. Probably all sopranos do do this, but they have resonance where most people keep brains. Whoops, that's a generalization as well. ÊIt is also my opinion that a somewhat smaller sample of trombonists emphasize tone and avoid articulation, and produce "lyrics" that to any other instrumentalist, or the general public, simply sound sloppy.Ê Operas have some great music in them, butÊ- I don't know how to say this exactly - it is not tone poem, art music, etc.ÊÊ- the effect is intended to be completely dependent on and inseparable from the story. That means you perform in in a language which can be understood, with diction that can be understood. In the US, where historically most of us speak one language, not always too well, you would perform it in English (in most areas). Not doing so is the kind of snobbery that drives audiences away from classical music.ÊÊ I played Magic Flute when I was in college -Êthey used the local symphony, but the trombone player was on vacation, and I got a slot though I was not the best available because clefs didn't scare me. It was a greatÊexperience for me, I remember it vividly though it wasÊ30 years ago. We did it in English, with a carefully researched locally developed libretto. That is a fantastically complicated plot, but without it what do you have?ÊÊA guy and gal in a bird costume singing "pop.....pop, pop" You'd find that at halftime in a basketballÊgame. I've rented the video, cartoon version, several times for my kids, the first time because I made them watch it, the others at their request. They like it and they've been introduced to operaÊand good music - try that in German.ÊÊ Well, enough ranting. I kind of like Liza in Cabaret. She chewed those words, I didn't have any trouble following it.Ê -----Original Message----- From: Tom Izzo [mailto:jeanvaljean@ntsource.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 1:27 AM To: richardt@LEE.ARMY.MIL; Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: RE: Various ranges (especially high range) and the tongue HEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! -----Original Message----- From: owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu [mailto:owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu]On Behalf Of richardt@LEE.ARMY.MIL Well, here's an opposite opinion. Singers who don't use their tongue, and who sing most of the time on pure vowels, producing the most pure and powerful tones, are completely un-understandable. There are lots of these, they are called opera singers, and before you jump all over me, I know it is in some dead language.Ê Not always! Only Latin is a dead language. Italian is not dead, nor is German, French, Russian, etc. But I've heard it done in English and guess what, you can't understand it any better. You generalize way too much. Never heard Peter Grimes, Amahl & the Night Visitors, The Medium, Les MisŽrables, Tommy? There are lots of Opers written in English, most others have good translations somewhere. Not all Opera singers "warble" as you describe. Your generalizations are like saying ALL woodwind instruments are made of wood, or ALL Trombones are in Bb. We know that neither of these is true, nor that NOT all OPera singers are unintelligible. You just haven't heard any that YOU understood. Now compare this to singers who articulate with the tongue, like some Broadway singers, oh, maybe Liza Minelli, etc. You can hear every word.Ê I wouldn't say you could understand everything she sings either.Ê Tom (disliking generalizations even in opinions) ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2326 Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 16:54:43 -0700 From: Steve Gamble To: "'eliztbone@nctimes.net'" , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: Colleges...Random Thoughts Message-ID: <01C1C91D.72BFEDE0.sgamble@tucsonsymphony.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Elisabeth, If you know what you want out of trombone playing, get yourself into the most competitive positive environment you possibly can where the emphasis is on goals similar to yours. What ever sacrifices you have to make in order to do that will be worth it. Steve Gamble Librarian Tucson Symphony Orchestra 2175 N. 6th Ave. Tucson, AZ 85705 (520) 792-9155 x118 (520) 792-9314 fax sgamble@tucsonsymphony.org -----Original Message----- From: Elisabeth Frederick [SMTP:eliztbone@nctimes.net] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 11:18 PM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Colleges...Random Thoughts Hello List.....Valuable Source of Random Knowledge! I've been thinking......(can you hear the jaws theme?).....about the whole college thing. I have been told many times one of the most important things about choosing a music school is whoever your private teacher will be. But, let pretend....(whole tone scale, ala Mr. Rogers neighborhood) ....off to the land of make believe. I have applied to, auditioned for, and am interested in going to either UCLA or CSU Fullerton. (I also applied to CSU Northridge, but its so far away, and they seem disorganized) As far as I know, I have the GPA and the proper requirements to make it pass admissions, AND, I have gotten the distinct impression both from myself and the people listening in the auditions, that they liked what they heard. So....pretend....I can go to either school. I haven't really met the teacher at UCLA, Bill Booth, so I can't say if I 'know' that I really like or dislike him. I can say that he plays very well. I'm planning on getting a lesson soon, before acceptance letters come out, so I have a better idea. But, how should I decide? Prestige? Money? Location? Some things that bug me; I don't like that it is so difficult to have a car in LA. I like the idea of being able to go home and see my boyfriend etc. The price difference. I am impressed with how cheap CSU's are. I didn't really realize it. But, I want to be in an environment where I am a 'little' fish in a big pond. Or so I think. At the JR College I'm at I am THE trombone player that is 'really' involved in the music department, therefore I am a very big fish in a really small pond. I do think that some competition would be good for me, but how do I gauge how much is good? I am very motivated, I like to play 'hard' music. I love challenges. Does it really matter if I am a big fish or a little fish? Fishy swimming off to practice? With Fins? Ahhh...I can't hold the slide! Sorry for my rambling, hope you like my imagery! Liz A big fish, needing a bigger pond. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2326 Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 08:13:05 -0500 From: Craig Parmerlee To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Chicago Civic Orchestra Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20020312081119.00b37e20@acticalc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:40 AM 3/12/2002 +0000, Adrian Drover wrote: From: "Hamish Dean" > > Civic will have a string section of 14, 12, 10, 8, 6. > And what about all those strings!!!!!! surely they don't need that many to > play Hadyn and Mozart. You ditch 3 of them and Voila!!!..... ( I'd ditch all the "Voilas" ). No way. Keep all the violas. Ditch the violins. Upon careful measurement, it has been determined that the viola and violin are EXACTLY the same size. The violins only look smaller because the players' heads are larger. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2326 Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 07:50:14 -0500 From: Roger Hecht To: eliztbone@nctimes.net, "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Colleges...Random Thoughts Message-ID: <4.2.2.20020312074434.00a65120@pop.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_8588601==_.ALT" Along with thoughts expressed in other responses: But, I want to be in an environment where I am a 'little' fish in a big pond. Or so I think. At the JR College I'm at I am THE trombone player that is 'really' involved in the music department, therefore I am a very big fish in a really small pond. I do think that some competition would be good for me, but how do I gauge how much is good? I am very motivated, I like to play 'hard' music. I love challenges. Does it really matter if I am a big fish or a little fish? You're going to have to face competition some time. I took the "big fish" path, much against the only good advice I ever got when I was young. It was a mistake. It made for four fun years, but produced little awareness and a great shock when I discovered what was out there after graduation. Trombone-wise, I never recovered from that shock. Frankly, competition is not always a good thing, but it is reality. A good deal can be gained in a "small fish" situation, and if you're a great player, it may do. Otherwise, sometime, somewhere, you're going to have to find out what you're facing. For me, it would have been better to have found out sooner. Roger Hecht ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2326 Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 08:52:26 -0600 From: "Guion, David" <8guion@jmls.edu> To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: Chicago Civic Orchestra - Tangent Warning Message-ID: <47763CCCA27C4F4FA4BEF7DDB754A1E7124A53@marshall.jmls.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain > Is the contrabassoon a double or are there persons who play nothing but? > Is > there much call for contra-bassoonists? > There is someone in Chicago who gives contrabassoon recitals! I regret that I haven't been able to attend one, but I'll bet they're a hoot. In answer to your question though, I suspect that even she plays a lot or ordinary bassoon. Manditory trombone content: is there anyone who specialized on contrabass trombone? I know at least three people who own and play one (no, not the same one!), but they all play other things more than contra. ^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^ David Guion, Cataloging Librarian The John Marshall Law School 315 S. Plymouth Ct. Chicago, IL 60604 Voice: (312) 427-2737 x 552 Fax; (312) 427-8307 8guion@jmls.edu Should part-time band directors be called semi-conductors? Quidquid latine dictum sit, profundum viditur. ^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^ ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2326 Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 10:02:51 EST From: BITEensemble@aol.com To: 8guion@jmls.edu, trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Chicago Civic Orchestra - Tangent Warning Message-ID: <76.18c289f5.29bf729b@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_76.18c289f5.29bf729b_boundary" In a message dated 3/12/02 9:55:30 AM Eastern Standard Time, 8guion@jmls.edu writes: There is someone in Chicago who gives contrabassoon recitals! I regret that I haven't been able to attend one, but I'll bet they're a hoot. In answer to your question though, I suspect that even she plays a lot or ordinary bassoon. Manditory trombone content: is there anyone who specialized on contrabass trombone? I know at least three people who own and play one (no, not the same one!), but they all play other things more than contra. I was recently on tour in Chicago. I stopped in the symphony shop and was amazing that there were several contrabassoon solo cd's and a cd on duets for two contrabassoons. -Wes ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2326 Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 10:31:27 -0500 From: Walter Barrett To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Chicago Civic Orchestra - Tangent Warning Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit On 3/11/02 7:46 PM, Rod Ellard expounded thusly... > > Is the contrabassoon a double or are there persons who play nothing but? Is > there much call for contra-bassoonists? > > Rod > Contrabassoon is technically a double for a bassoonist, but at prices starting(!) at $21,000 list price for a pro-level instrument, it tends to be pretty much a specialist's ax. There's a contra soloist, Susan Nigro, who has a few recordings out. I heard a piece from one of them the other day on WNYC, and really liked it! There are parts calling for it, going back to the baroque. Beethoven used it in the 5th, there's a great part in the Dvorak Serenade. The first place I heard one up close was when I did "Symphonic Metamorphoses" many moons ago. There's also a lovely, lyrical SOLO for contra at the beginning of the Ravel "Concerto for the Left Hand", which I heard the NY Phil do a few years back, and was blown away. The soloist and conductor made the contra player take a bow at the end. -- Walter Barrett Bull horn: a brass instrument that plays notes you wouldn't believe. Cornetti trombosis: disastrous entanglement of brass instruments that can occur when musicians are not careful exiting the stage. Fermatahorn: an Alpine wind instrument used for playing long tones. Fog horn: a brass instrument that plays when the conductor's intentions are not clear. Frugalhorn: a sensible, inexpensive brass instrument. Matterhorn: an instrument of cosmic influence designed to create something out of nothing. Yamaha Artist/Clinician Tenor, Alto, Bass Trombones Euphonium Bass Trumpet Tuba ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2326 Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 15:54:28 From: "Daniel Pliskin" To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Chicago Civic Orchestra - Tangent Warning Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Rod, Do you actually think that a musician could afford two bassoons? DanP > The third parts would most likely be English Horn, Piccolo, Bass Clarinet > (maybe Eb Clarinet), and Contrabassoon (the only woodwind to also be a > member of the percussion family! Listen to a low Bb, you'll find out why...) Is the contrabassoon a double or are there persons who play nothing but? Is there much call for contra-bassoonists? Rod _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2326 Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 09:28:03 -0800 (PST) From: Gabriel Langfur To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Airway surgery and sleep apnea and playing trombone. Message-ID: <20020312172803.35863.qmail@web10306.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Jerry Blomberg wrote: > I developed very loud snoring, enough so that my wife had > to sleep in > another room. Lucky you...I don't snore all the time, but when I do my wife makes ME go sleep in another room! Gabe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2326 Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 12:38:24 -0500 From: "Johnson, Scott (TBS)" To: "Trombone-l (E-mail)" Subject: Funnel Shaped Mpces? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1C9EA.F1F7AFDA" All, I am on a quest to find one or two mpces with a funnel shaped rather than bowl shaped cup. The only possibles that I have been told about are: a Remington (size and model TBD) or a Marcinkiewicz. I need help with sizes(?) or model choices for the Remington. I am currently playing on a Bach 42BO using a Schilke 50 (and possibly a 51 to see what that's like). So, what would be a comparable Remington? My research of Marcinkiewicz offerings seems to indicate that their closest match would be an 8HBS. Is that correct? I found the 8HBS in their "Bass Trombone" section, but it looked like it was a 6 1/2AL with a large shank (BS = Bass Shank?). The next question would be, do any of you have one of the above rattling around in your mouthpiece drawer that you would like to send to a good home? Thanks as always for your help. Next to private study, this list is my most valuable trombone resource; quite amazing. Best regards, Scott Johnson Conyers, GA USA ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2326 Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 09:45:29 -0800 (PST) From: Gabriel Langfur To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Colleges...Random Thoughts Message-ID: <20020312174529.2349.qmail@web10304.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Liz, Good questions, which I think are worth discussing more with your potential teachers. College interviews are just as much for your benefit as theirs...their answers to your questions might have a lot of bearing on your decision. I don't think there's a simple answer to these questions. Both the big fish and little fish experiences are valuable. If you've already had the experience of being the "go to" player, then you might want to balance that by going to a place that's more competitive rather than less. Another factor to take into consideration is the freelance situation - not necessarily while you're in school, but once you're done. If you think you might have a desire to freelance in the city you go to school in, then it makes sense to go to the best school you can get into in that city. Here in Boston, it's much easier to break into freelancing if you go to school at New England Conservatory than, say, the Longy School - where you might actually have the same teacher, but the school has a lower professional profile (at least in orchestral instruments). Gabe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2326 Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 12:54:29 -0500 From: "Aaron Roth" To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Colleges...Random Thoughts Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I'll point out that you'll want to see what kinds of people are in the trombone studios at both of these schools. I know that may sound kind of trivial in one sense, but you do want to know who you'll be playing quartets and choir music with and who your competition is and just how friendly that competition is. I wouldn't recommend a starting undergraduate going to a cutthroat environment where gigs and ensemble spots are snapped up like tourists in the Amazon River, and where intrigue accompanies the usual goings-on. However, if you've been in an environment with lots of chances for you to play and you feel ready to jump in the ocean, go for it. Or, you can wait on that until you hit the professional world or grad school. I guess I'm pretty lucky, as I'm a middle-sized fish in a middle-sized pond right now, both in trombone and composition. -Aaron R. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2326 Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 12:59:13 -0500 From: "Aaron Roth" To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Contra: Chicago Civic Orchestra - Tangent Warning Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Rod, Do you actually think that a musician could afford two bassoons? DanP I know one with three. He's booked four gigs a day for the next seven years to pay them all off, and he sold his car. :) -Aaron > The third parts would most likely be English Horn, Piccolo, Bass Clarinet > (maybe Eb Clarinet), and Contrabassoon (the only woodwind to also be a > member of the percussion family! Listen to a low Bb, you'll find out why...) It sounds like a bass-drum drumroll. It's great! _________________________________________________________________ Join the worldâs largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2326--