TROMBONE-L Digest 2321 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) RE: Rude Awakening, College by richardt@LEE.ARMY.MIL 2) back and Abbie by richardt@LEE.ARMY.MIL 3) help f trigger pin shear by "R.A. Bates" 4) test by "R.A. Bates" 5) Re: help f trigger pin shear by "Daniel Pliskin" 6) A couple of questions by william david proctor 7) Bending pitches by Joseph Green 8) Todd Clontz by Elisabeth Frederick 9) Re: A couple of questions by "Dale J. Cruse" 10) Re: Todd Clontz by Chris Waage 11) Re: Couple of Questions by Scott Moore 12) Re: A couple of questions by "Asher J. Haines" 13) RE: help f trigger pin shear by "Tom Izzo" 14) Gronitz PCM... by Tony 15) Re: King Bass Bone Gone? by Eric & Candice Swanson 16) Re: help f trigger pin shear by Eric & Candice Swanson 17) Re: A couple of questions by Eric & Candice Swanson 18) Looking for Schilke 50D by Stephen Troy 19) Re: humor by Craig Parmerlee 20) Re: A couple of questions by Craig Parmerlee 21) mouthpieces and stuff CHEAP by "Charles Levine" 22) Re: Gronitz PCM... by Earl Needham 23) Re: King Bass Bone Gone? by "Keith Marr" 24) RE: Gronitz PCM... by "Gary Maxwell" ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2321 Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 14:36:31 -0500 From: richardt@LEE.ARMY.MIL To: baer_brass@yahoo.com, trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: RE: Rude Awakening, College Message-ID: <81F62454EA21B94EA95517180D7303730243F8B3@lee-is-102.lee.army.mil> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1C546.3774D230" How in the world do you fix a husband, millions of wives probably want to know? (probably including mine)Ê Hope you didn't do something too drastic! -----Original Message----- From: Noreen Harris-Baer [mailto:baer_brass@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 10:48 AM To: baer_brass@yahoo.com; Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Re: Rude Awakening, College Okay so..... The signature of my last message was my husbands... I have fixed it now! --- Noreen Harris-Baer wrote: > > Hello, > > I too attended a Community College in Torrance > California and know that I would never have made it > as > a professional had I not gone there. I actually > first > picked up a trombone at age 18 just before I was to > attend college as a physical therapy major. But I > decided to get an AA in music just to see if I could > do it. I had played baritone for 2 years in high > school, but was raised a violinist. > My first teacher, Dr. Greg Woll, looked at me > (laughing) with a holton bass trombone, a mouthpiece > adapter, and a schilke 47 and said' "are you really > sure you want to try this?" > Luckily he did not give up on me. I was able to > complete an AA in music in 2 years, get lots of > experience with ensembles, and get all of those > nasty > general education classes out of the way before > transferring with a junior standing to a big > university. All for the price of parking only! (and > hourly lessons for $10.00 at the time!) > By the time I transferred to the university, they > were > happy to get someone who was not a freshman, and I > was > ready to spend my tuition money on music classes > only. > I think it halped me stay more focused on "catching > up" as a player, since I was done with other > requirements, and to be able to have the time to > play > in as many ensembles as I could. > I ended up liking school so much, I stayed in for a > few more degrees and am happily teaching at a great > University in a wonderful city. > > Good luck with the rest of your education. > > Noreen > > ===== > Alan J. Baer > Principal Tubist, Milwaukee Symphony Orchestra > Adjunct Professor of Tuba, > Univesity of Wisconsin, Milwaukee > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Sports - sign up for Fantasy Baseball > http://sports.yahoo.com ===== Dr. Noreen Harris-Baer Professor of Trombone, Univesity of Wisconsin, Milwaukee O-(414)229-2665 H-(414)354-3294 C-(414)331-6673 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - sign up for Fantasy Baseball http://sports.yahoo.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2321 Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 14:42:06 -0500 From: richardt@LEE.ARMY.MIL To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: back and Abbie Message-ID: <81F62454EA21B94EA95517180D7303730243F8B4@lee-is-102.lee.army.mil> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1C546.FF399170" I've been traveling for work nearly two weeks, just got back and am trying to catch up with the email. One email message was for a FREE masterclass with Abbie Conant TODAY! And it's too late for me to rearrange my schedule. Arggh. Oh well, there's also a free concert in Richmond VA tomorrow, I guess I can skip choir rehearsal and attend.Ê Glad to be off the practice mute in the motel rooms!Ê ---------- ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2321 Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 15:33:26 -0500 From: "R.A. Bates" To: "Trom Bone List" Subject: help f trigger pin shear Message-ID: <006c01c1c54e$2b59f040$a2ead018@bates> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0069_01C1C524.420B35D0" The pin for myÊf trigger has sheared off.What do I do ,get my set ofÊEazy Outs? It is aBach 50t3. Is this normal wear and tear? Am I mishandling the horn some how?Do I have some sort of death grip? ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2321 Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 15:40:44 -0500 From: "R.A. Bates" To: "Trom Bone List" Subject: test Message-ID: <007f01c1c54f$305f3a40$a2ead018@bates> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_007C_01C1C525.475529F0" test ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2321 Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 20:56:03 From: "Daniel Pliskin" To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: help f trigger pin shear Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed R.A., That depends on whether you think you can find a replacement pin at the hardware store or whether youâre going to have to go to a repair tech, anyway. Chances are that the pin is too small to use an easy-out on, anyway, although the removal procedure is about the same. If thereâs nothing else to grab onto, then the trick is to drill a hole into the center of the screw. Then you can either find something that will fit onto that drilled hole: Iâm thinking about a leather needle. Or you can keep drilling larger and larger holes in the pin, until thereâs nothing left but the threads, at which point you should be able to pry them out with a sharp object. But caution is advised, which is where the repair tech comes in. Iâd probably do the job myself, but Iâm a highly trained nerd. As for your death-grip, that sounds like tension, to me, and tension is to be eliminated at all costs. But what was the pin made out of? Did you break a tool-steel pin or a brass pin? DanP _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2321 Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 15:34:51 -0700 From: william david proctor To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: A couple of questions Message-ID: <1816609594.1015428891@dhcp-120-0169.unm.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I have a couple of questions: 1. In the New Mexico Wind Symphony, we are preparing "Integrales" by Varese for an upcoming concert. It's a very unusual, atonal piece. I am playing the contrabass trombone part (on my Edwards bass trombone, since a contra is not handy, and I don't know if I could play one well by the concert anyway!), which has a lot of sustained pedal F#'s for several measures. These notes are typically started SFZp, with varying degrees of crescendo and decrescendo. Most are sustained for 6-11 counts, at approximately quarter note=60. Does anyone have any innovative ideas for sustaining these notes longer? No, I haven't developed the ability to circular breathe yet. I anticipate doing excercises on more resistant notes and practicing at faster tempos to make the phrase, gradually slowing down to performance tempo. 2. A high school student of mine is planning to have his wisdom teeth removed in a few weeks. While his mouth heals, what are some things he can do to lessen the effects of not being able to play for a few days? David Proctor bass trombone University of New Mexico ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2321 Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 07:46:24 +0900 From: Joseph Green To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Bending pitches Message-ID: <3C869C3E.EE8@twics.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ?I've experienced it countless times, but have never understood it: Why is bending pitches down so much easier than bending them up? Why? (I suppose it has something to do with the difference between buzzing a note with the mouthpiece only and playing that note with the tubing at the "correct" length.) JG +++++++++++++++++++++ ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2321 Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 14:54:51 -0800 (PST) From: Elisabeth Frederick To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Todd Clontz Message-ID: <200203062254.g26Mspw4010418@mail.nctimes.net> Hello list.. You guys supplied me with Todd Clontz's phone number a while ago and I ordered a linkage. I need to get a hold of him again and I can't find his number. It was the one for the music store he worked at. Thanks! Elisabeth -- This email was sent using NCTimes.NET Web Mail. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2321 Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 18:00:53 -0500 From: "Dale J. Cruse" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: A couple of questions Message-ID: <03f201c1c562$c4a74d10$70d92444@union1.nj.home.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT This question seems to come up every few months. The key seems to be not rushing the healing process. If blowing the horn is going to hamper healing the mouth, then it's better to wait. No need to rush. A few days off is not as better as many days off if the mouth isn't allowed to heal as it needs to. During the days off, however, have the student focus on other aspects of musicianship like clapping out tricky rhythms, written theory, giving the horn that long overdue bath, and definitely, definitely spend some quality time listening to great trombone recordings. When the student does return to the horn be sure to start slowly and easily. Build back up slowly and don't rush. Good luck to you and your student. Dale J. Cruse dale@dalecruse.com www.dalecruse.com For effective visual communication ----- Original Message ----- From: "william david proctor" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 5:34 PM Subject: A couple of questions > 2. A high school student of mine is planning to have his wisdom teeth > removed in a few weeks. While his mouth heals, what are some things he can > do to lessen the effects of not being able to play for a few days? > > David Proctor > bass trombone > University of New Mexico ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2321 Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 17:15:01 -0600 From: Chris Waage To: Trombone-L Subject: Re: Todd Clontz Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" 410-636-1007 Hello list.. You guys supplied me with Todd Clontz's phone number a while ago and I ordered a linkage. I need to get a hold of him again and I can't find his number. It was the one for the music store he worked at. Thanks! Elisabeth -- This email was sent using NCTimes.NET Web Mail. -- ________________________________________________ Chris Waage, Associate Webmaster chris@trombone.org http://www.trombone.org - A web site for trombonists ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2321 Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 17:36:35 -0600 From: Scott Moore To: Trombone List Subject: Re: Couple of Questions Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v481) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit David, I remember this piece well. The only part more fun to play is that weird drum with the hole in it. No new info to give that you can't figure out for yourself. Use a "hit and hide" approach, treat it more like an effect than a sustained sonority that must be held at all costs. Take short breaths when others make their entrances. Scott On Wednesday, March 6, 2002, at 04:34 PM, william david proctor wrote: I have a couple of questions: 1. In the New Mexico Wind Symphony, we are preparing "Integrales" by Varese for an upcoming concert. It's a very unusual, atonal piece. I am playing the contrabass trombone part (on my Edwards bass trombone, since a contra is not handy, and I don't know if I could play one well by the concert anyway!), which has a lot of sustained pedal F#'s for several measures. These notes are typically started SFZp, with varying degrees of crescendo and decrescendo. Most are sustained for 6-11 counts, at approximately quarter note=60. Does anyone have any innovative ideas for sustaining these notes longer? No, I haven't developed the ability to circular breathe yet. I anticipate doing excercises on more resistant notes and practicing at faster tempos to make the phrase, gradually slowing down to performance tempo. 2. A high school student of mine is planning to have his wisdom teeth removed in a few weeks. While his mouth heals, what are some things he can do to lessen the effects of not being able to play for a few days? David Proctor Scott Moore Music Department Gustavus Adolphus College Saint Peter, MN 56082 507/933-6260 dmoore@gustavus.edu http://www.gustavus.edu/~dmoore ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2321 Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 18:32:41 -0500 From: "Asher J. Haines" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: A couple of questions Message-ID: <008401c1c567$35eafae0$27da0880@liblan.umd.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > 2. A high school student of mine is planning to have his wisdom teeth > removed in a few weeks. While his mouth heals, what are some things he can > do to lessen the effects of not being able to play for a few days? Practice piano, singing, sight-singing, "mental" (not psychotic) trombone playing and lots of relaxed breathing exercises. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2321 Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 17:49:49 -0600 From: "Tom Izzo" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: help f trigger pin shear Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0067_01C1C537.4FBF6120" -----Original Message----- From: owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu [mailto:owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu]On Behalf Of R.A. Bates Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 2:33 PM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: help f trigger pin shear The pin for myÊf trigger has sheared off.What do I do ,get my set ofÊEazy Outs? It is aBach 50t3. Is this normal wear and tear? Am I mishandling the horn some how?Do I have some sort of death grip? Sounds normal to me (how long have you had it?) I've replaced them on both of my Bach 50's AND my 42B. Mine have generally lasted 20 years. TomÊ ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2321 Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 16:52:35 -0800 From: Tony To: Tony Clements Subject: Gronitz PCM... Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit ...has gotten here. This is a 4/4 5-valve (4+1) CC tuba. I would compare it very favorably to the Hirsbrunner HB-2P. The low notes are very clear and responsive. The pitch is excellent and the silver plating is outstanding. I have a Reunion Blues bag that fits. Tuba $6750, Bag $275. Email me for more info. Picture available. Tony Clements ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2321 Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 23:37:30 -0500 From: Eric & Candice Swanson Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: King Bass Bone Gone? Message-ID: <3C86EE89.2E8081E6@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Arthur Koolen wrote: > I was looking on the United Musical site and searched for all > available Bass Bone’s. > > I only got 1 Benge and 3 Conn’s. What about the King 7B? Don’t they > make it anymore? > > Arthur, I looked in the 2001 UMI price list, and the King bass trombones are gone from there too, I guess they quit making the 7B. Eric Swanson ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2321 Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 23:43:17 -0500 From: Eric & Candice Swanson Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: help f trigger pin shear Message-ID: <3C86EFE4.53390AA4@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "R.A. Bates" wrote: > The pin for my f trigger has sheared off.What do I do ,get my set of > Eazy Outs? It is aBach 50t3. Is this normal wear and tear? Am I > mishandling the horn some how?Do I have some sort of death grip? Take it to a good repair shop. Technicians deal with this kind of stuff all the time. No it's not normal, the screw was probably poorly made in the first place. If it's less than a year old, it should still be under warranty. Eric Swanson ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2321 Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 23:53:25 -0500 From: Eric & Candice Swanson Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: A couple of questions Message-ID: <3C86F245.BACD3911@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit william david proctor wrote: > I have a couple of questions: > > 1. In the New Mexico Wind Symphony, we are preparing "Integrales" by Varese > ......which has a lot of sustained pedal F#'s for several measures. > .....Most are sustained for 6-11 counts, at approximately > quarter note=60. Does anyone have any innovative ideas for sustaining > these notes longer? David, Obviously you'll have to breathe during these notes or die. The secret is take breaths quickly, so they're not too obvious. If there is some other loud noise during your note, like bass drum or timpani, that would be a good place to breath as it would be covered up. Also, stagger breathing with the tuba or anyone playing the same note. > > 2. A high school student of mine is planning to have his wisdom teeth > removed in a few weeks. While his mouth heals, what are some things he can > do to lessen the effects of not being able to play for a few days? > I've been there. He shouldn't try to do anything with his mouth or lips until the pain subsides and things heal up back there. He could make use of the time practicing piano or something like that. Eric Swanson ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2321 Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 08:26:50 -0500 From: Stephen Troy To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Looking for Schilke 50D Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20020307082650.008ea9c0@pop.erols.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Anyone out there have a Schilke 50D large shank mouthpiece they no longer need? I thought I'd check for a "used" one before I go through the trouble of special ordering one new (it's not a normal stock item). Steve Troy ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2321 Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 09:16:42 -0500 From: Craig Parmerlee To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: humor Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20020307091431.00b95508@acticalc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 06:28 PM 3/6/2002 +0100, Howard Weiner wrote: A school music teacher who had been operatically trained was talking to her class about the importance of breath control. To illustrate her point she took a deep breath and let out a loud, long note. There was no wavering of the tone, no variation of the pitch, no diminishing of the loudness of the note, and she held it for a really, really, REALLY long time. Then she wasn't trained operatically. Those schools all train their students to warble like one of those European police sirens. :) ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2321 Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 09:20:43 -0500 From: Craig Parmerlee To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: A couple of questions Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20020307091748.00b395a8@acticalc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed william david proctor wrote: > I have a couple of questions: > > 1. In the New Mexico Wind Symphony, we are preparing "Integrales" by Varese > ......which has a lot of sustained pedal F#'s for several measures. > .....Most are sustained for 6-11 counts, at approximately > quarter note=60. Does anyone have any innovative ideas for sustaining > these notes longer? Work on breath attacks. That is not easy on a pedal F#, but if you can get the chops limbered up enough to do a breath attack, that makes it easier to snatch a breath then sneak back in without drawing too much attention to yourself. In other words, quite often, it is not the gap that is noticeable, it is the hard attack when the player comes back in that sounds odd to the audience. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2321 Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 09:00:01 -0600 From: "Charles Levine" To: "tlist" Subject: mouthpieces and stuff CHEAP Message-ID: <000c01c1c5e8$c4a49710$89b01ad1@D7493111> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01C1C5B6.771BE0C0" Elliot sbJ cup (new) $15 Elliot J4 shank (new) $14 or $25 for both ppd Benge Trumpet Mpc. 7C (like new) $8 ppd Blessing 12C Tenor Bone (new) $13 ppd ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2321 Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 08:55:59 -0700 From: Earl Needham To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Gronitz PCM... Message-ID: <4.2.2.20020307085357.018fbb98@pop3.norton.antivirus> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 04:52 PM 3/6/2002 -0800, Tony wrote: ...has gotten here. This is a 4/4 5-valve (4+1) CC tuba. I would compare it very favorably to the Hirsbrunner HB-2P. The low notes are very clear and responsive. The pitch is excellent and the silver plating is outstanding. I have a Reunion Blues bag that fits. Tuba $6750, Bag $275. Email me for more info. Picture available. Tony Clements Are the valves dependant or independent? B-flat, F, G-flat, & D? Or some other tuning? Does it have a lightweight slide or a more orchestral slide? Single- or double-radius tuning slide? Red brass bell, or other? DARN! I just noticed this is a TUBA! Hmm... Earl Earl Needham, KD5XB, Clovis, New Mexico KD5XB-2>APW251,PCSAT-1*:=3425.83N/10313.55W-PHG7150/WinAPRS 2.5.1 -EARL_CLOVIS -251-<630> Did you get a letter from Nigeria offering a "deal"? See http://home.rica.net/alphae/419coal/ and http://www.crimes-of-persuasion.com/Crimes/Business/nigerian.htm ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2321 Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 16:02:11 -0000 From: "Keith Marr" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: King Bass Bone Gone? Message-ID: <004a01c1c5f4$72637fa0$2e4786d9@tiny> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit My guess is that now UMI own all these brands that they are "rationalising" their range. So the King bass trombone quietly disappeared sometime in the last 2-3 years. By the same token I reckon the 4B will be next, leaving King as a range of jazz horns. IMHO the 7B was, laterally, a Benge with a curve bell brace. If you see pictures of the two you see what I mean. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric & Candice Swanson" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 4:37 AM Subject: Re: King Bass Bone Gone? Arthur Koolen wrote: > I was looking on the United Musical site and searched for all > available Bass Bone’s. > > I only got 1 Benge and 3 Conn’s. What about the King 7B? Don’t they > make it anymore? > > Arthur, I looked in the 2001 UMI price list, and the King bass trombones are gone from there too, I guess they quit making the 7B. Eric Swanson ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2321 Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 08:59:33 -0800 From: "Gary Maxwell" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: Gronitz PCM... Message-ID: <659829993461CA49942D1312DE3436918309F5@edcenmail1.bcsd.k12.ca.us> Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1C5F9.7460D078" From: Earl Needham [mailto:needhame@yucca.net] Are the valves dependant or independent? =================================================== Independantly Dependant. ================================================= B-flat, F, G-flat, & D? Or some other tuning? =============================== Yes ================================ Does it have a lightweight slide or a more >orchestral slide?Ê =================================== 2 lightweight, 2 orchestral and 1 badly dented ======================================== >Single- or double-radius tuning slide? ======================================= Single spun wire. Made by Zildjian. ================================= > Red brass bell, >or other? ================================ Titanium Sorry, couldn't resist. Where are those students? The tardy bell just rang. Gary ÊÊÊÊÊÊÊ ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2321--