TROMBONE-L Digest 2297 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Insurance by BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com 2) Re: "Professional" was:insurance by BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com 3) Re: insurance, bach linkages, static by Chris Waage 4) RE: Eastman School of Music auditions by "Jon Moeller" 5) Re: Minibals available! by "Dr. Carole Nowicke, Applied Health Science" 6) Garden Hose Practice While Travelling by "John Palmer" 7) Re: Garden Hose Practice While Travelling by Chris Waage 8) test bob by "R.A. Bates" 9) Re: Garden Hose Practice While Travelling by Randy Fendrick 10) Re: Garden Hose Practice While Travelling by ALFORDMB@aol.com 11) Re: Eastman School of Music auditions by Robert Holland 12) 3 valve euph by Peter Collins & Sara Wilbur 13) RE: Eastman School of Music auditions by "Gary Greenhoe" 14) Gig Bags and Travel Cases by "Roger Carmichael" 15) Re: Ergobone Trombone Stand by "R.A. Bates" 16) Christian Lindberg Resistance Balancer - Baloney? by "Jon Moeller" 17) Re: Christian Lindberg Resistance Balancer - Baloney? by Craig Parmerlee 18) Re: just static by Clingo 19) RE: Christian Lindberg Resistance Balancer - Baloney? by "Gary Greenhoe" 20) Archives?? by "Elisabeth Frederick" 21) Re: insurance, bach linkages, static by "Daniel Pliskin" 22) Four Freshmen Topic (a bit late) by David Oliver 23) RE: Calgary bass trombone job by richardt@LEE.ARMY.MIL 24) linkages by "Edwards Eric, Leandra, Sara & Jared" 25) OTJ Classifieds Update - 2/11/2002 by Chris Waage 26) mouthpiece materials by Peter Collins & Sara Wilbur 27) Re: just static by BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com 28) RE: insurance, bach linkages, static by Steve Gamble 29) Re: Four Freshmen Topic (a bit late) by BassBonist@aol.com 30) RE: mouthpiece materials by "Jeff Albert" 31) Re: linkages by BassBonist@aol.com 32) Re: linkages by Michael & Dava Millar 33) Re: mouthpiece materials by James Scott 34) Miniball Linkages by "Paul D. Kemp, Jr." 35) RE: mouthpiece materials by Steve Gamble 36) Re: mouthpiece materials by Peter Collins & Sara Wilbur ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2297 Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 13:08:52 EST From: BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com To: craig@acticalc.com, trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Insurance Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Almost all professional musicians instruments are excluded under Home Owners Policies. A Commercial Articles Floater should be purchased to provide coverage. I would by the floater from an agent that can write insurance for companies that are licensed in the overseas companies that you might be playing in, other wise you may not be able to file claim until you return to the US. So you have a smashed trombone in Paris and two gigs to play.. You gotta get a bone in Paris, so you would contact the Paris rep for the Insurance Company , file claim and go get an instrument so you can play the gig. In Indianapolis, Craig. An Agent named Jim Greenfield on the Northside has in the past been able to provide these coverages. Check him out in the Carmel directory. Elsewhere in the US look for an AON representative. Beldon P. Wade, CPCU ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2297 Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 13:27:50 EST From: BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com To: eliztbone@nctimes.net, trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: "Professional" was:insurance Message-ID: <22.236a7569.299815a6@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Professional means you get paid for playing your instrument. If you have joined the AFM... you might never get a claim paid on your instrument if you do not buy a Commercial Articles Floater on it. See my previous remarks in regards to insurance. beldon wade ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2297 Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 13:08:07 -0600 From: Chris Waage To: Trombone-L Subject: Re: insurance, bach linkages, static Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sombody asked: Every thing has been full of static here.....its very dry and windy.....just about everything metal, or almost metal that I touch gives me a good zap, but I've never zapped my trombone?? Am I missing out here....or does the trombone just not do that?? In total stupidity, I replied: I'm not 100% certain about it, but if I remember my basic electronics courses, brass is non-conductive. Don't know why - I'd rather play it than figure that out, because the explanation will probably use words that make my brain itch. OK - I should know better than answer posts at 1:00 a.m. . . I know brass will conduct electricity, but it sure didn't sound like it in that reply - my answer was dead wrong. With a little more clarity of thought, it's a circuit issue. Usually, your trombone is isolated in some way - if it's on a stand, it's sitting on rubber (which I feel I can state IS non-conductive ). In the case, it's wood and cloth (as a rule). What I was thinking when I posted the completely incorrect post was that there are many places that brass fittings are used in automotive applications and mechanics then use brass tools to tighten or loosen the fittings because brass-to-brass contact won't spark. Rather important when working around gasoline. I shall now retire to my practice room to do penance for my dumb reply. Thoroughly embarrassed . . . Chris ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2297 Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 13:12:18 -0600 From: "Jon Moeller" To: "'Trombone List'" Subject: RE: Eastman School of Music auditions Message-ID: <000301c1b266$dbe3eb00$9401a8c0@Jon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit So what type of questions were on the theory test? -----Original Message----- From: owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu [mailto:owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu] On Behalf Of Michael Clayville Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2002 5:35 PM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Re: Eastman School of Music auditions I actually attended Eastman from 1996-2000 so hopefully I can give a little insight into the audition process. Though John Marcellus is on sabbatical for the semester and Ralph Sauer (from the LA Phil) is filling in. Depending on who is running the auditions it could be a different experience this year. Here's how they usually work... you get there early in the day and attend a mass meeting where they tell you what's going to happen the rest of the day. During the course of the day you'll have an interview with a member of the administration (to try to weed out the insane), you'll take a theory examination (strictly a formality, they want to see where you are), and you'll have your audition proper. The audition panel usually consists of Doc and the current teaching assistant. You'll play your prepared solo and excerpts and then you'll be asked to do some sight-reading. Its a pretty low-stress experience but be prepared for some curveballs, Doc will sometimes ask auditionees to play along with a recording of the accompaniment of the solo they prepared and for grad student applicants he's not above having auditionees transpose Bolero to the key of e or something. That's about it. If you're auditioning don't sweat it just go in and play your best. Mike Clayville www.monumentalbrass.org I was wondering if any of you on the list have auditioned for the Eastman School of Music (University of Rochester), and if so what was the audition process like? I have checked out their website, and know of the credentials, but not of the audition process itself. Could anyone clue me in? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2297 Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 14:12:57 -0500 (EST) From: "Dr. Carole Nowicke, Applied Health Science" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Minibals available! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 8 Feb 2002, Gary Greenhoe wrote: > I would be willing to sell Minibals and linkages to anyone needing them. It would look so nice to get those 30 year old model airplane parts off my instrument. I did swap out the white plastic balls for black and put aluminum tubing "modesty" covers over the black threaded wire stock, but it's still not as attractive as it might be. Carole "Linkage Envy" Nowicke cnowicke@indiana.edu ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2297 Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 14:51:05 -0500 From: "John Palmer" To: "Trombone List Contributions" Subject: Garden Hose Practice While Travelling Message-ID: <002501c1b26c$48731c00$083ce218@kico3.on.cogeco.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Listers: I don't know if that's to port or starboard, but... Has anyone had any experience with mouthpiece and garden hose practice while travelling. I'm talking about a brief vacation (1 week), a flight and a hotel room/suite. I'm planning on taking a length of garden hose with me (and the mthpce) just to keep the chops in shape. I have a rehearsal the day after I get back and I do not want to be totally out of shape. Ideally, I would take the 'bone and a Yamaha silent practice system, but I do not have the latter, so I thought I'd give this a try. Any thoughts? ******************************************************************* John Palmer Kingston, Ontario ******************************************************************* ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2297 Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 13:56:26 -0600 From: Chris Waage To: Trombone-L Subject: Re: Garden Hose Practice While Travelling Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" If you're willing to fly with your instrument, I'd call ahead to the hotel and see if they might have a room you could use for practicing. I had excellent luck by asking if there was an open meeting room. Usually, you can get into them after 8:00 p.m. - give 'em a call. Chris Listers: I don't know if that's to port or starboard, but... Has anyone had any experience with mouthpiece and garden hose practice while travelling. I'm talking about a brief vacation (1 week), a flight and a hotel room/suite. I'm planning on taking a length of garden hose with me (and the mthpce) just to keep the chops in shape. I have a rehearsal the day after I get back and I do not want to be totally out of shape. Ideally, I would take the 'bone and a Yamaha silent practice system, but I do not have the latter, so I thought I'd give this a try. Any thoughts? ******************************************************************* John Palmer Kingston, Ontario ******************************************************************* -- ________________________________________________ Chris Waage, Associate Webmaster chris@trombone.org http://www.trombone.org - A web site for trombonists ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2297 Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 14:56:47 -0500 From: "R.A. Bates" To: Subject: test bob Message-ID: <004601c1b26d$12ad2100$4defd018@bates> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0043_01C1B243.29A7CBA0" delete ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2297 Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 12:02:10 -0800 From: Randy Fendrick To: Cc: Trombone and related issues Subject: Re: Garden Hose Practice While Travelling Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit on 2/10/02 11:51 AM, John Palmer at johntbone@cogeco.ca wrote: > Listers: > > I don't know if that's to port or starboard, but... > > Has anyone had any experience with mouthpiece and garden hose practice while > travelling. I'm talking about a brief vacation (1 week), a flight and a > hotel room/suite. I'm planning on taking a length of garden hose with me > (and the mthpce) just to keep the chops in shape. > I have a rehearsal the day after I get back and I do not want to be totally > out of shape. > Ideally, I would take the 'bone and a Yamaha silent practice system, but I > do not have the latter, so I thought I'd give this a try. > Any thoughts? > > ******************************************************************* > John Palmer > Kingston, Ontario > ******************************************************************* > > Another way to do it is to buy an length of 1/2"pvc for small shanked mouthpieces, 10" long and drill a small hole 1" into the pvc, where your mouthpiece ends and use that. Much smaller, more compact, and allows you to play scales, and fits into your pocket. Good luck -Randy Fendrick- Bakersfield Symphony Orchestra Southside Chicago Seven ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2297 Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 15:43:23 EST From: ALFORDMB@aol.com To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Garden Hose Practice While Travelling Message-ID: <18b.324de0f.2998356b@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Randy. This sounds like a really neat idea. At the risk of asking a dumb question - what is the function of a small hole drilled into the tube at the end of the mouthpiece? In a message dated 02/10/2002 3:04:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, jfendrick@bak.rr.com writes: > Another way to do it is to buy an length of 1/2"pvc for small shanked > mouthpieces, 10" long and drill a small hole 1" into the pvc, where your > mouthpiece ends and use that. Much smaller, more compact, and allows you to > play scales, and fits into your pocket. > > Good luck > > > -Randy Fendrick- ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2297 Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 18:46:10 -0600 From: Robert Holland To: "Trb. List" Subject: Re: Eastman School of Music auditions Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3096211570_104944_MIME_Part" Jon Moeller wrote: I was wondering if any of you on the list have auditioned for the Eastman School of Music (University of Rochester), and if so what was the audition process like? ÊI have checked out their website, and know of the credentials, but not of the audition process itself. ÊCould anyone clue me in? I can tell you about this as I auditioned there twice, attended, and sat in on auditions while I was the teaching assistant. The interviews and orientations I can't speak to, but the actual audition for the principal applied teacher is the linchpin anyway. For an undergraduate audition, you don't need much music, probably two contrasting pieces: lyrical and technical. If you don't play all of either one, it is no reflection on your playing, only that the amount performed is adequate to assess your skills. Don't interpret an interruption as a negative sign. Do interpret a request to do something differently as a good sign: there is interest. There will almost certainly be sight-reading, probably in tenor and/or alto clef. IMO, there are three typical flaws committed by candidates for admission: insisting that they play more when less will do, playing with poor rhythm (much more common that one might expect and completely invisible to those who are lacking), and failing to adjust to the interpersonal dynamic by listening and adjusting to what is said and asked for rather than asserting control or maintaining some sort of preconceived script. The amount of time spent in preparation for the audition is all out of proportion to the face time with the principal applied teacher in the audition, but that's just the way it is. Robert Holland Briar Music Press briar@chicagonet.net http://members.aol.com/EnsPub/briar.htm ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2297 Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 20:11:33 -0500 From: Peter Collins & Sara Wilbur To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: 3 valve euph Message-ID: <3C671A45.21BD6195@sympatico.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, I have a relative who is interested in getting back into playing euph after a very long absence. He is purely a recreational player and also has some mobility problems with his right hand and is playing the valves (on a borrowed euph) with his left hand. This doesn't seem to be a huge stumbling block for him except that he doesn't seem to be able to use the fourth valve (on the side). Taking this into consideration he has asked me to help him look for a 3 valve euph for him. If anybody has one for sale that is in reasonable condition please contact me via email and I can put my relative in touch with you. He doesn't have email so a phone number would be easiest, reply to me privately if you don't wish to have your phone number broadcast over the list. Thank you for your time. Peter Collins Bass Trombone Hamilton Philharmonic Orchestra ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2297 Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 19:12:54 -0600 From: "Gary Greenhoe" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: Eastman School of Music auditions Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Jon, It was really quite simple for me. All I did was to audition for Curtis, and when I was accepted there, Remington called me and told me he wanted me in Rochester. so, I didn't argue with the man. Gary -----Original Message----- From: owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu [mailto:owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu]On Behalf Of Robert Holland Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2002 6:46 PM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Re: Eastman School of Music auditions Jon Moeller wrote: I was wondering if any of you on the list have auditioned for the Eastman School of Music (University of Rochester), and if so what was the audition process like? I have checked out their website, and know of the credentials, but not of the audition process itself. Could anyone clue me in? ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2297 Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 21:21:06 -0500 From: "Roger Carmichael" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Gig Bags and Travel Cases Message-ID: <00e201c1b2a2$c40b3740$000aea3f@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi List, This topic has been discussed many times before, I'm sure. Most of the postings I have read talked about packing a trombone in a soft gig bag inside a travel case, such as the SKB brand. This past week, I went to a golf store to get a travel case for my golf clubs (and trombone). While there, I scoped out a new case on the market, manufactured under the G & B name. Sitting beside the mid-size SKB, it was a no-brainer for me. The G & B is a monster size oval-shaped hard plastic case made on the same principal of the SKB for about the same price. I decided to buy the G & B because of the extra storage it affords. When I got home, I tried fitting my Pro Tec Bass Trombone case in it and --voila!-- it fit! There is extra space for mutes or whatever, as well. Now, if I ever get that traveling gig, I have the maximum protection--a case inside a case. BTW, it also fits my Callaway Big Bertha staff bag with golf clubs, but of course, not at the same time as the trombone. :-) Roger Carmichael ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2297 Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 22:06:38 -0500 From: "R.A. Bates" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Ergobone Trombone Stand Message-ID: <014e01c1b2a9$1fc97c80$4defd018@bates> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit what is the ergobone and where can i get one ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Hillen" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 6:14 PM Subject: Re: Ergobone Trombone Stand > I just got my ergobone a couple of weeks ago. It works pretty well. > However, I refrain from using it until my left arm or wrist starts to hurt. > It adds a little more practice time (depending on how much longer your chops > will last). I used it for about an hour when I first tried it out and then > I took it off and tried to play without it. Let me tell you, the instrument > felt INCREDIBLY heavy after using the ergobone for that long. That's why I > wait until I'm tired to use it. I think if you use it too much you can come > to depend upon it too much. > --Shaun > > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2297 Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 22:28:44 -0600 From: "Jon Moeller" To: "'Trombone List'" Subject: Christian Lindberg Resistance Balancer - Baloney? Message-ID: <000001c1b2b4$97c4f790$9401a8c0@Jon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01C1B282.4D2C0E30" Has anyone heard of the Christian Lindberg Resistance Balancer? And if anyone has, have you used it, or heard it used, or somehow determined that it did something? I would like to get one of these for my marching horn, so I can project more, but I donÕt want to waste my money ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2297 Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 23:50:52 -0500 From: Craig Parmerlee To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Christian Lindberg Resistance Balancer - Baloney? Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20020210234922.00ba13d8@acticalc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I think it is more like a bucket mute sound. I don't believe it will help with projection. Just the opposite, I'd say. If you want to project on the marching field, get the smallest, shallowest mouthpiece that will have the brightest sound possible. At 10:28 PM 2/10/2002 -0600, Jon Moeller wrote: Has anyone heard of the Christian Lindberg Resistance Balancer? And if anyone has, have you used it, or heard it used, or somehow determined that it did something? I would like to get one of these for my marching horn, so I can project more, but I don t want to waste my money ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2297 Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 23:01:03 -0600 From: Clingo To: Trombone-L Subject: Re: just static Message-ID: <3C67500F.B1F15FDB@swbell.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT My 'bone has zapped me several times when I pick it up off a stand, but not to my knowledge ever when removing it from the case. I would think the 'bone would be no different from static's perspective than, say, a doorknob. Static is like lightning in that an excess of charge in your body causes a buildup of the opposite charge on the surface of the doorknob (or any other reasonably conductive body), and when you get close enough the potential difference between those two wells of charge will bridge the air gap, and hence the zap. The item you get "zapped by" does not necessarily have to be grounded (I get zapped by doorknobs in wooden doors, bathroom fixtures, etc.). My horn is missing a lot of lacquer, but I'd be surprised that a thin lacquer layer would stand up to the several thousand volts of a static zap. As for it happening only on the stand for me, I'm guessing that my handling of the case somehow dissipates the charge. Hmmm, need to experiment on my bass -- more lacquer on it. I guess this makes a good argument for one of those Lexan-rim mouthpieces... cc ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2297 Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 23:14:23 -0600 From: "Gary Greenhoe" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: Christian Lindberg Resistance Balancer - Baloney? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Jon, I don't mean this in an unkind way, but aren't you the same Jon that a few days ago posted several pictures of your embouchure and were complaining of serious problems playing notes above the staff? Now you are asking about questionable accessories for you horn so you can project better on the parade deck? This is the same Jon that wants to be the best trombonist in the world? In a major orchestra? I have just one comment at this point. Please spend your money on some serious trombone lessons with a qualified trombonist and forget about equipment. No....two comments: Trying to get more projection with a marching horn is not a solution to your problem...or desires. Gary -----Original Message----- From: owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu [mailto:owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu]On Behalf Of Jon Moeller Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2002 10:29 PM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Christian Lindberg Resistance Balancer - Baloney? Has anyone heard of the Christian Lindberg Resistance Balancer? And if anyone has, have you used it, or heard it used, or somehow determined that it did something? I would like to get one of these for my marching horn, so I can project more, but I don't want to waste my money ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2297 Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 21:30:58 -0800 From: "Elisabeth Frederick" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Archives?? Message-ID: <002801c1b2bd$49c69a40$7272fb3f@d9h2z9> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was going to look for something on our archives and I can't seem to access them through the FTP link provided...I don't know if I'm doing something wrong or if it isn't correct. I also couldn't get the 'directions' to come up? Help?? Good night! Liz ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2297 Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 05:35:50 From: "Daniel Pliskin" To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: insurance, bach linkages, static Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Liz, Iâm an electrical engineer, so this is an easy question, for me to answer. Youâve never gotten a shock from your trombone because you love it and it loves you. Doorknobs have no affection for you and why should they? All youâve ever done with a doorknob is twist it or hang hangers on it. Thereâs no love in that relationship and they let you know it, very chance they get. But I do need to caution you to make sure that you have pure and loving thoughts towards you trombone, at all times. Those cross-braces give the trombone several loops of brass, in which they can store huge amounts of current. Never·I repeat, never blame the trombone for wrong notes bad technique, running out of breath, etc. DanP _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2297 Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 22:45:37 -0800 From: David Oliver To: Trombone List Subject: Four Freshmen Topic (a bit late) Message-ID: <3C67688E.7BE36D42@accessnetusa.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit OK, I'm a *little* behind the eight ball here (work's been kind of busy), but I wanted to relate how amazing the timing is sometimes on the t-list. Within the the past month or two (or three?), I bought the Mosaic Records boxed set of all "Four Freshmen" Capitol 50's sessions. So, if you have $144 and want to overdose on that group I'd highly recommend going that route. I still need to get the time to listen to most of the rest of them. The first CD I listened to was "AND FIVE TROMBONES" - duh, right? It's a chance to hear a more aggressive sounding George Roberts. I did wish there were more of the trombones in the arrangements, but those four voices are the featured thing right? I really enjoyed reading some of the big booklet that came with it. It was written by Ross Barbour, and at the beginning he gives the best summary of "perfect diatonic scale" vs. "tempered scale" that I've ever read. He notes (no pun intended) how they really tried to make those chords "ring", which I guess is the major draw of a vocal quartet. He jokes about becoming addicted to the overtones. The trombone quartet easily has the same power, which can be quite amazing - as those of us who saw the Costa Rican Trombone Quartet (no mikes!) at the ITF can attest.. He also wrote that they probably "invented a sound", by trying to get a five part sound out of four voices. They were trying to sound like the five person "Pastels" (Stan Kenton's vocal group). I partially got the set because many have been influenced by them, including Brian Wilson of the Beach Boys. His falsetto singing style was pretty much a "California-ized" knock off of the Four Freshman sound, and trombone player Bob Flanigan's "glissing" top part. For the longest time, I thought that "Graduation Day" was a Beach Boys song. I also thought it was interesting that one of the Four Freshman also played trombone and wanted to hear that in the mix. BTW, I noticed that the J.J. Johnson "Small Group Sessions" is off the Mosaic endangered list. They apparently did another run after J.J. passed away. I just wish that they'd get away from jewel boxes for CD's. Am I the only one who receives 3 CD set boxes with most of those little tabs in the middle (to hold the CD down) broken off? Frustrating. David Oliver Broomfield, CO USA Trombone, Denver Concert Band P.S. Frederick Fennell and his spouse (Elizabeth Ludwig-Fennell) fly into Denver on Valentine's Day. I'm looking forward to the dress rehearsal and concert this upcoming weekend. I'm guessing that he's around 87 years old. When I grow up I want to be like that! ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2297 Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 07:48:03 -0500 From: richardt@LEE.ARMY.MIL To: jimandcat@juno.com, trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: RE: Calgary bass trombone job Message-ID: <81F62454EA21B94EA95517180D7303730243F841@lee-is-102.lee.army.mil> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1B2FA.581F9F00" Pssst, Jim. We keep the good ones to ourselves. Less competition.Ê So if you read about it on the list, caveat emptor.Ê I heard a rumor the Antarctica Symphony has an opening. Bring a stand light!!! -----Original Message----- From: Gary Greenhoe [mailto:gary@greenhoe.com] Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2002 9:01 PM To: jimandcat@juno.com; Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: RE: Calgary bass trombone job Geez...I'm glad I haven't mentioned on this list that there's a principal trombone audition coming up for the Milwaukee Symphony Orchestra! Guess you all will have to read about it in the AFM rag. Gary -----Original Message----- From: owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu [mailto:owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu]On Behalf Of jimandcat@juno.com Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2002 7:23 PM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Calgary bass trombone job Well, I am way behind on reading my digests, but, what does it pay (annually of course)? And remember what the weather is like there. Are there other playing opportunities beside the orchestra? IOW, before you go recruiting people, especially on a list like this, let them know what they are in for. Leave the mysteries (hope I get a good player who doesn't know what he is getting into) to the AFM rag. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2297 Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 07:25:09 -0600 From: "Edwards Eric, Leandra, Sara & Jared" To: "Trombone-L\(posts\)" Subject: linkages Message-ID: <008601c1b2ff$8796dbe0$a837fea9@elsj> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi All, with all this talk of miniballs and linkages, I'd like to add my .01's worth. I believe the nylon ball & sockets work the best, it's possible to make them look nice & clean with a little work & attention to detail. The problem I see with any metal ball assembly is the metal to metal contact. Even with meticulous care & lubrication, they will wear and get loose & noisy. I see this on Yamaha tuba's Conn horns and especially Bach linkages. Just look at the older Bach set-up, unless you have that monstrosity greased and adjusted just right, it clanks like an old Volvo! Thanks for the space to vent! Eric Edwards bonearzt@mindspring.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2297 Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 07:28:10 -0600 From: Chris Waage To: Trombone-L , Brass@lists.fsu.edu Subject: OTJ Classifieds Update - 2/11/2002 Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" The Online Trombone Journal Classifieds (http://www.trombone.org/classifieds) have been updated as of 7:26 AM on February 11, 2001 with 37 new ads. - - - - - Thank you for using the OTJ Classifieds! - - - - - OTJ Instrument Classifieds http://www.trombone.org/classifieds/instruments.asp OTJ Accessory Classifieds http://www.trombone.org/classifieds/accessories.asp OTJ Music Classifieds http://www.trombone.org/classifieds/music.asp OTJ Classifieds Frequently Asked Questions http://www.trombone.org/classifieds/faq.asp To place an ad: http://www.trombone.org/classifieds/adform.asp OTJ Gift Shoppe: http://www.cafepress.com/cp/store/store.aspx?storeid=trombones If you have any questions or comments about the Online Trombone Journal Classifieds, please contact me at chris@trombone.org. Chris -- ________________________________________________ Chris Waage, Associate Webmaster chris@trombone.org http://www.trombone.org - A web site for trombonists ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2297 Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 09:08:42 -0500 From: Peter Collins & Sara Wilbur To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: mouthpiece materials Message-ID: <3C67D06A.31733BB@sympatico.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi everybody, I am thinking of making my own mouthpieces and have been talking to the guy who is going to do the actual manufacturing. We have been talking about materials and my only idea is brass with nickel-silver or gold plating. He is talking about using other materials that are foreign to me for mouthpieces; special steels, tungsten, aluminum etc. I don't know why mouthpieces are always made out of brass (with the exception of some plastics) and I don't want to fall into the trap of "they have always been made that way" so if anybody can provide me with some insight that would be helpful. Peter Collins Bass Trombone Hamilton Philharmonic Orchestra ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2297 Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 09:22:58 EST From: BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com To: mxntrpic@swbell.net, trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: just static Message-ID: <17f.3611dda.29992dc2@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If you wear a ring...touch the instrument with the ring before grasping the metal with your hand. The ring will take thezap. beldon wade ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2297 Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 07:43:46 -0700 From: Steve Gamble To: "'eliztbone@nctimes.net'" , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: insurance, bach linkages, static Message-ID: <01C1B2CF.D7560DC0.sgamble@tucsonsymphony.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Liz, Check this: http://www.clarionins.com/ Steve Gamble Librarian Tucson Symphony Orchestra 2175 N. 6th Ave. Tucson, AZ 85705 (520) 792-9155 x118 (520) 792-9314 fax sgamble@tucsonsymphony.org -----Original Message----- From: Elisabeth Frederick [SMTP:eliztbone@nctimes.net] Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2002 9:21 PM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: insurance, bach linkages, static Hello Everyone.... I just have been having a few thoughts. What do most of you do for insurance on your horns?? And what kind of coverage do they give you? I have a lovely sounding Bach linkage on my 36....where do I get a clonz (sp?) linkage?? Or are there better options? Every thing has been full of static here.....its very dry and windy.....just about everything metal, or almost metal that I touch gives me a good zap, but I've never zapped my trombone?? Am I missing out here....or does the trombone just not do that?? Thanks!! Liz ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2297 Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 10:55:29 EST From: BassBonist@aol.com To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Four Freshmen Topic (a bit late) Message-ID: <134.931c3c1.29994371@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_134.931c3c1.29994371_boundary" << Within the the past month or two (or three?), I bought the Mosaic Records boxed set of all "Four Freshmen" Capitol 50's sessions. So, if you have $144 and want to overdose on that group I'd highly recommend going that route.>> I have to agree that the Mosaic label does a fantastic job of reissuing older recordings on a remastered, cleaned up CD format. I have the set of Nat Cole Trio discs (16!) which cost me a pretty penny but was worth it. I can't say enough good things about the sound quality and care that goes into making those boxed sets- great photos and text in the books that come with the CDs, too! Matt Varho ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2297 Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 10:17:44 -0600 From: "Jeff Albert" To: , "'Trombones and related issues forum.'" Subject: RE: mouthpiece materials Message-ID: <001d01c1b317$a3436fd0$c4239d42@jeff> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have also heard of wood mouthpieces. I imagine that the predominance of brass as a mouthpiece material is due to a combination of cost and effectiveness. Brass is probably easier to form than steel, aluminum may have odd sound characteristics, titanium might sound great but is REALLY expensive. I am guessing at these things, but I would imagine that there are similar reasons. Maybe you can tell us what they are after your experiments. Jeff -----Original Message----- From: owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu [mailto:owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu] On Behalf Of Peter Collins & Sara Wilbur Sent: Monday, February 11, 2002 8:09 AM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: mouthpiece materials Hi everybody, I am thinking of making my own mouthpieces and have been talking to the guy who is going to do the actual manufacturing. We have been talking about materials and my only idea is brass with nickel-silver or gold plating. He is talking about using other materials that are foreign to me for mouthpieces; special steels, tungsten, aluminum etc. I don't know why mouthpieces are always made out of brass (with the exception of some plastics) and I don't want to fall into the trap of "they have always been made that way" so if anybody can provide me with some insight that would be helpful. Peter Collins Bass Trombone Hamilton Philharmonic Orchestra ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2297 Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 11:19:21 EST From: BassBonist@aol.com To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: linkages Message-ID: <86.1655b1c8.29994909@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_86.1655b1c8.29994909_boundary" Eric Edwards writes: << I believe the nylon ball & sockets work the best, Êit's possible to make them look nice & clean with a little work & attention to detail.>> No argument here-nylon is quiet and smooth. Read on... << The problem I see with any metal ball assembly is the metal to metal contact. Even with meticulous care & lubrication, they will wear and get loose & noisy. I see this on Yamaha tuba's Conn horns and especially Bach linkages. ÊÊJust look at the older Bach set-up, unless you have that monstrosity greased and adjusted just right, it clanks like an old Volvo!>> Just my .02 cents: Nylon is quiet but wears out sooner. I have had Minick Nylon Ê linkages on three instruments that were installed around the mid-70s and now are just starting to get "loose." Stainless steel should last at least twice to three times longer. Bach is a bad example to compare to the Minibal: ÊBach has the WORST metal ball and socket design. It's the bad design that makes them get loose so often and sound so darn clanky! Minibal joints and smaller, lighter, quicker, quieter, do not get "loose" and yes, periodically need lubrication but considering the improved action and lifespan you get with them I consider them on a par with Nylon and maybe having a slight "edge" as far as longevity. Matt Varho ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2297 Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 08:23:38 -0800 From: Michael & Dava Millar To: BassBonist@aol.com Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: linkages Message-ID: <3C67F00A.BA4AB63C@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Regarding loose nylon linkages, Robb Stewart turned me on to this stuff called "Space Filler". It's a very heavy liquid, and I use it about once a month on my Minick linkages -- quiets 'em up right away. Michael Millar -- ============================================= Michael W. Millar, D.M.A. Dava S. Millar, R.N., M.B.A. 25430 Via Impreso Valencia, CA, 91355 (818) 901-6843 FAX (661) 253-2999 ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2297 Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 09:28:57 -0700 From: James Scott To: sarapete@sympatico.ca Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: mouthpiece materials Message-ID: <3C67F149.653CF630@ucalgary.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Peter - I think that Marcinkewiez (sp?) has used some kind of aluminum. Also Yamaha has some custom mouthpieces made of sterling silver (just trumpet & horn as far as I know - probably too expensive for lower brasses). Also Dillon Music in NJ has a series of bronze tuba mouthpieces - I guess it's a heavier metal, and those mouthpieces react more like a heavyweight model, even though they have a narrow profile. If you're thinking of experimenting with materials, those makers might be worth contacting to find out their experiences (if they'll actually share any info with you is another matter). Jim Scott from the "frozen white north" Peter Collins & Sara Wilbur wrote: > Hi everybody, > > I am thinking of making my own mouthpieces and have been talking to the > guy who is going to do the actual manufacturing. We have been talking > about materials and my only idea is brass with nickel-silver or gold > plating. He is talking about using other materials that are foreign to > me for mouthpieces; special steels, tungsten, aluminum etc. I don't know > why mouthpieces are always made out of brass (with the exception of some > plastics) and I don't want to fall into the trap of "they have always > been made that way" so if anybody can provide me with some insight that > would be helpful. > > Peter Collins > Bass Trombone > Hamilton Philharmonic Orchestra ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2297 Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 11:49:16 -0500 From: "Paul D. Kemp, Jr." To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Miniball Linkages Message-ID: <002001c1b31c$0b4df880$c25a4d0c@trbnplyr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Folks, Gary Greenhoe uses miniball linkages as standard equipment with his valve sections. A friend of mine also has them on his Shires bass, and the only maintenance that I have found necessary is that you need to use 1 drop of oil on each of the moving joints periodically (perhaps once a month). They are very, very quiet. I have the utmost respect for Todd Clontz and the custom work that he does, but I believe that this linkage is the best one on the market. I'm quite sure that Gary tested all kinds of linkages before settling on the miniball, and if he didn't fell that they were the best, he wouldn't use them. One thing that I admire about Gary is that he doesn't cut corners where his valve is concerned--it's got to be right, or he doesn't use it. The plastic or nylon arms tend to wear out, but usually after several years of hard use. I've used both of them, and like the miniball linkage hands down. Paul D. Kemp Jr. Chattanooga Symphony www.trbnplyr.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2297 Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 09:48:50 -0700 From: Steve Gamble To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: mouthpiece materials Message-ID: <01C1B2E1.509C70A0.sgamble@tucsonsymphony.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi All, When I was in high school (class of '69!!), my private teacher was my math teacher. He had a doctorate in music. (He said he liked music too much to do it all the time.) His dissertation was on the subject of mouthpiece materials. As part of his research, he had a machinist make dozens of trumpet mouthpieces (he was a trumpet player) out of a wide variety of materials. I remember seeing the collection in his studio. The gist of the outcome of his research: brass is the best material. As to exactly what he did and what materials he tested, I don't remember. But I think his research was the basis for an article in The Instrumentalist. His name was Francis Wilcox (not sure of the spelling) if you want to try to look it up. Steve Gamble Librarian Tucson Symphony Orchestra 2175 N. 6th Ave. Tucson, AZ 85705 (520) 792-9155 x118 (520) 792-9314 fax sgamble@tucsonsymphony.org -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Albert [SMTP:jalbert@bellsouth.net] Sent: Monday, February 11, 2002 9:18 AM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: RE: mouthpiece materials I have also heard of wood mouthpieces. I imagine that the predominance of brass as a mouthpiece material is due to a combination of cost and effectiveness. Brass is probably easier to form than steel, aluminum may have odd sound characteristics, titanium might sound great but is REALLY expensive. I am guessing at these things, but I would imagine that there are similar reasons. Maybe you can tell us what they are after your experiments. Jeff -----Original Message----- From: owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu [mailto:owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu] On Behalf Of Peter Collins & Sara Wilbur Sent: Monday, February 11, 2002 8:09 AM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: mouthpiece materials Hi everybody, I am thinking of making my own mouthpieces and have been talking to the guy who is going to do the actual manufacturing. We have been talking about materials and my only idea is brass with nickel-silver or gold plating. He is talking about using other materials that are foreign to me for mouthpieces; special steels, tungsten, aluminum etc. I don't know why mouthpieces are always made out of brass (with the exception of some plastics) and I don't want to fall into the trap of "they have always been made that way" so if anybody can provide me with some insight that would be helpful. Peter Collins Bass Trombone Hamilton Philharmonic Orchestra ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2297 Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 12:08:31 -0500 From: Peter Collins & Sara Wilbur Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: mouthpiece materials Message-ID: <3C67FA8F.8304795B@sympatico.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi everyone, In my cruising around this morning I found these mouthpieces: http://www.jaztec.com/index.htm go to "custom finishes" to see some funky colours for valve caps and mouthpieces. Anybody tried these or know anyone who has? Interesting! Peter Collins Bass Trombone Hamilton Philharmonic Orchestra ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2297--