TROMBONE-L Digest 2296 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) RE: Minibals available! by "Gary Greenhoe" 2) Slide Tube Replacement by Atlbrvsnt@aol.com 3) Re: Slide Tube Replacement by "Rod Ellard" 4) Re: correction: Maggio system by "Rod Ellard" 5) Re: Minick Conn bass trombone & Edwards bass trombone for sale. by "keith.marr" 6) Updated minibal specs, compatibility and corrections by "Gary Greenhoe" 7) [Fwd: Maggio?] by Michael & Dava Millar 8) Calgary bass trombone job by jimandcat@juno.com 9) Eastman School of Music auditions by "Jon Moeller" 10) RE: Calgary bass trombone job by "Gary Greenhoe" 11) insurance, bach linkages, static by "Elisabeth Frederick" 12) RE: insurance, bach linkages, static by "Jon Moeller" 13) Re: insurance, bach linkages, static by Chris Waage 14) Re: insurance, bach linkages, static by Bruce Guttman 15) Re: insurance, bach linkages, static by "Dave Wank" 16) Re: insurance, bach linkages, static by "Adrian Drover" 17) RE: insurance, bach linkages, static by "Gary Greenhoe" 18) Re: insurance, bach linkages, static by Peter Collins & Sara Wilbur 19) RE: insurance, bach linkages, static by "Gary Greenhoe" 20) Insurance by Craig Parmerlee 21) Re: insurance, bach linkages, static by Gabriel Langfur 22) RE: Insurance by "Gary Greenhoe" 23) Re: insurance, bach linkages, static by "Steve Beck" 24) Re: insurance, bach linkages, static by Craig Parmerlee 25) Trombone "Evolution" Pic by "Dilshad Kasmani" 26) by Jim Marcia 27) Re: Eastman School of Music auditions by "Michael Clayville" 28) "Professional" was:insurance by "Elisabeth Frederick" ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2296 Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 12:09:10 -0600 From: "Gary Greenhoe" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: Minibals available! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks Craig! I might add that my pricing on my minibal post is only for the trombone-L subscribers and doesn't include any or much research on my part. For that price, I just cut and thread what you tell me. The exact specs of what I use can be found on the minibal website and I've only added what I think are better SS screws and nuts for mounting to your existing ball sockets. If the metric thread is not compatible with your valve, it is up to you to decide if your existing screws will fit the minibal. Disclaimer... I reserve the right to...blah, blah, blah....and so on...so on... no warranty implied... no responsibility...blah, blah. ;-) no multiple sales... blah, blah,... This is just a slight favor to those of you that desire to do your own. I have been swamped today with requests ....which explains why others charge a premium. With shop rates commonly at $50 per hour, I hope y'all can understand. Regards, Gary -----Original Message----- From: owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu [mailto:owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu]On Behalf Of Craig Parmerlee Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2002 11:46 AM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: RE: Minibals available! At 11:18 AM 2/9/2002 -0600, Jon Moeller wrote: >Now if you could only drop the price on your double tenor attachment to >$47 Or you could look at it this way. If you buy 4 miniballs for $450 each, Gary will throw in the rest of the double tenor section for free! You can't beat that. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2296 Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 13:56:27 EST From: Atlbrvsnt@aol.com To: Subject: Slide Tube Replacement Message-ID: <104.10c62e97.2996cadb@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is to those of you on the list who represent major repair shops out there...I know there's someone from Osmun, maybe others like Brass Bow, etc on the list. I have a 1935 or so Cleveland trombone with really worn out inner slide tubes and would like to have them replaced sometime. I'm not sure when, but whenever I have the money or parental financial backing. It's a dual bore, about .485/.500 I think. How much would this operation cost? Ideally, I'd like to keep the original leadpipe...but I realize with the age and use of this horn, it's probably impossible. The horn is in good shape cosmetically and plays really nicely, so I'd like it to serve as my small-bore horn. Thanks -Tommy Cox University of Alabama ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2296 Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 11:21:02 -0800 From: "Rod Ellard" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Slide Tube Replacement Message-ID: <000501c1b19e$ea64aca0$10ea94d1@lindascomp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Can anyone comment on the Louis Maggio system. Thanks. Rod ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2296 Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 11:22:29 -0800 From: "Rod Ellard" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: correction: Maggio system Message-ID: <000b01c1b19f$1e509b00$10ea94d1@lindascomp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Can anyone comment on the Louis Maggio system. Thanks. > > Rod > > > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2296 Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 19:36:42 -0000 From: "keith.marr" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Minick Conn bass trombone & Edwards bass trombone for sale. Message-ID: <003d01c1b1a1$6037b880$572c3c3e@tiny> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0029_01C1B1A1.19FF5760" ----- Original Message ----- A client of mine has two bass trombones for sale. Minick Conn 71H bass trombone. . . . Also he has a colleague's EdwardsÊ. . . bass trombone . . .ÊAsking $1500. Just wait until the guy's "colleague" finds out his horn's been sold. There'll be tears! ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2296 Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 14:19:03 -0600 From: "Gary Greenhoe" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Updated minibal specs, compatibility and corrections Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi List, As I posted information regarding minibals late last night, I gave the wrong size according to Martin Seibold's website. What I have available is model # GK 5-2. These seem to be totally compatible with the plastic Thayer valve linkages. However, my screws are 2mm and it appears that the Thayer examples I've checked are all SAE threads. Therefore, the factory screws can be used with the minibal. Correct, was my posting of the 3mm thread on the minibal for the linkage rod. This IS compatible with Edwards linkage rods, so if you have an Edwards with plastic balls (no pun) it looks like all you need to order is the actual minibal...and substitute all other pieces. The Edwards locknuts are a knurled design and are interchangeable with my SS 3mm nuts. One suggestion I would like to make...no matter what threads or screws you may be currently using: Loctite #222 threadlocker is a nice bit of insurance to apply to any small screws that tend to loosen up in time. Gary Greenhoe Greenhoe Musical Instrument Components Milwaukee Symphony Orchestra gary@greenhoe.com http://www.greenhoe.com 262-677-0460 ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2296 Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 12:34:37 -0800 From: Michael & Dava Millar To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: [Fwd: Maggio?] Message-ID: <3C6587DD.E0D2BCED@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------D16B3241D915DA28E80EBE54" For Rod Ellard's question, here's my response to a Maggio thread a couple of years ago...... Received: from po.missouri.edu (po.missouri.edu [128.206.12.137]) by eagle.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA15175; Sun, 6 Feb 2000 14:33:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by po.missouri.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA20352; Sun, 6 Feb 2000 16:33:55 -0600 Received: from goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net (goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.18]) by po.missouri.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA20102 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2000 16:33:09 -0600 Received: from earthlink.net (pool0617.cvx18-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net [209.179.240.107]) by goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA23943; Sun, 6 Feb 2000 14:33:06 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <389DF562.82C59239@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 14:27:46 -0800 Reply-To: bazbone@earthlink.net Sender: owner-trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Michael W. Millar & Dava S. Millar" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Maggio? References: <004d01bf705f$f1f48080$4ef9fc9e@ws45> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-To: jamesblazejack@earthlink.net X-Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN I have never seen any of the "Maggio System" books. What I do know is that Louis Maggio was a greatly respected teacher in Los Angeles. In the interviews that I've conducted with Los Angeles studio brass players over the last couple of years, his name is frequently mentioned. Some excerpts: Lloyd Ulyate: LU: Louis Maggio was a little Italian guy about this high, and he'd been with the Minneapolis Symphony, played third trumpet, he was a teacher. When Rafael Mendez, years ago, fell down and hurt his lip and he couldn't play for a year, he came out and Louis Maggio got him playing again. So, Joe Howard studied with him, Herbie Harper, Vince De Rosa, myself, I'm sure there are more. And he was a wonderful guy and a wonderful teacher but his approach wasn't exactly technical, it was just to establish a great sound and his object was to make you play so you sounded even in all registers. And his exercises were very strenuous. MM: What you're describing there is what Roy Main ran me through when I first came to town, and Roy was one of his students. LU: Exactly. He was the guy that had you playing up as high as you'd go, up to double B-flats; he'd say "Next time, try the D." Then the low register, down to the double pedals ... and the idea was that if you could play a double B-flat or a D, maybe a high F won't be such a high note. But what he did for me was he opened up my sound and also got me to satisfy myself that all the registers were the same, it was the same sound. I think, except for the start that Earle Hagen gave me, he was the biggest influence on my playing. Uan Rasey: UR: Louis Maggio became my teacher. For me he was just great. He taught much differently to me than any other people that he had.... I had a good register, I could play double-C when I was 15 years of age... He wrote out the orchestral parts.... some of the Mahler symphonies, Stravinsky, a lot of Schumann, Bartok, especially Beethoven, he liked that, and Mozart. For years he was my teacher. Roy Main: RM: When I was in college, I studied with Louis Maggio.... And everybody studied [with him].... After my lesson I used to meet name players.... [Maggio was a trumpet player] but he never played. He was a little old man, and he had a two-room studio on Pico Boulevard.... He taught and lived there.... I never played out of any books with him at all. Everything with him was just air and blowing and sound... the better players used to study with Louis Maggio.... I think Louis was the best thing for me just getting sound.... There've been several books out---The Louis Maggio System. Claude Gordon's whole books were built on Louis Maggio. MM: Was he a student of Maggio? RM: Yes... Claude turned out a lot of professionals. It should be noted that Roy Main and Uan Rasey were teachers to a great number of successful players. I cannot say anything about the "Maggio System" books or about their effectiveness. However, Maggio's legacy as a teacher is absolutely phenomenal. Not only did he teach a whole generation of brass players in LA, but his students were the teachers of the next generations. Mike Millar ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2296 Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 17:23:08 -0800 From: jimandcat@juno.com To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Calgary bass trombone job Message-ID: <20020209.172309.-356487.3.Jimandcat@juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, I am way behind on reading my digests, but, what does it pay (annually of course)? And remember what the weather is like there. Are there other playing opportunities beside the orchestra? IOW, before you go recruiting people, especially on a list like this, let them know what they are in for. Leave the mysteries (hope I get a good player who doesn't know what he is getting into) to the AFM rag. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2296 Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 19:37:38 -0600 From: "Jon Moeller" To: "'Trombone List'" Subject: Eastman School of Music auditions Message-ID: <000001c1b1d3$862ee2c0$9401a8c0@Jon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01C1B1A1.3B9472C0" I was wondering if any of you on the list have auditioned for the Eastman School of Music (University of Rochester), and if so what was the audition process like? ÊI have checked out their website, and know of the credentials, but not of the audition process itself. ÊCould anyone clue me in? ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2296 Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 20:00:33 -0600 From: "Gary Greenhoe" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: Calgary bass trombone job Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Geez...I'm glad I haven't mentioned on this list that there's a principal trombone audition coming up for the Milwaukee Symphony Orchestra! Guess you all will have to read about it in the AFM rag. Gary -----Original Message----- From: owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu [mailto:owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu]On Behalf Of jimandcat@juno.com Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2002 7:23 PM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Calgary bass trombone job Well, I am way behind on reading my digests, but, what does it pay (annually of course)? And remember what the weather is like there. Are there other playing opportunities beside the orchestra? IOW, before you go recruiting people, especially on a list like this, let them know what they are in for. Leave the mysteries (hope I get a good player who doesn't know what he is getting into) to the AFM rag. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2296 Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 20:20:42 -0800 From: "Elisabeth Frederick" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: insurance, bach linkages, static Message-ID: <004901c1b1ea$4e8b4c20$6b72fb3f@d9h2z9> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Everyone.... I just have been having a few thoughts. What do most of you do for insurance on your horns?? And what kind of coverage do they give you? I have a lovely sounding Bach linkage on my 36....where do I get a clonz (sp?) linkage?? Or are there better options? Every thing has been full of static here.....its very dry and windy.....just about everything metal, or almost metal that I touch gives me a good zap, but I've never zapped my trombone?? Am I missing out here....or does the trombone just not do that?? Thanks!! Liz ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2296 Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 22:45:04 -0600 From: "Jon Moeller" To: "Trombone List" Subject: RE: insurance, bach linkages, static Message-ID: <000101c1b1ed$b5633db0$9401a8c0@Jon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I would think the lacquer on the horn protects it from shock just like rubber insulation around a wire As for insurance im still renting my Benge 165F so the shop covers it (I NEED A NEW HORN! SOMEONE GIVE ME A NEW HORN FOR FREE!) =) -----Original Message----- From: owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu [mailto:owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu] On Behalf Of Elisabeth Frederick Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2002 10:21 PM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: insurance, bach linkages, static Hello Everyone.... I just have been having a few thoughts. What do most of you do for insurance on your horns?? And what kind of coverage do they give you? I have a lovely sounding Bach linkage on my 36....where do I get a clonz (sp?) linkage?? Or are there better options? Every thing has been full of static here.....its very dry and windy.....just about everything metal, or almost metal that I touch gives me a good zap, but I've never zapped my trombone?? Am I missing out here....or does the trombone just not do that?? Thanks!! Liz ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2296 Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 23:57:23 -0600 From: Chris Waage To: Trombone-L Subject: Re: insurance, bach linkages, static Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Hello Everyone.... I just have been having a few thoughts. What do most of you do for insurance on your horns?? And what kind of coverage do they give you? If you are a member of the American Federation of Musicians, you can purchase insurance through the union. If you're not, you can most likely add a "rider" to your renter's or homeowner's policy to cover your instrument. As with all things, be sure to read the fine print. I have seen policies with exclusions (conditions under which they WILL NOT pay) that were almost like "Well, we'll pay off if your instrument is abducted by aliens on the 5th Sunday of January during half-time of the Super Bowl which the Kansas City Chiefs won." Sorry if I seem cynical, but from experience I have found that when an insurance salesman says, "We're in this business to help you.", I tend to hide my wallet, then count my fingers and toes and kids. I have a lovely sounding Bach linkage on my 36....where do I get a clonz (sp?) linkage?? Or are there better options? You can purchase the Clontz linkages through Woodwind and Brasswind, or directly from Todd. I have misplaced his e-mail address, but you can contact him through Rosso Music - https://www.toad.net/~rossomc/ or 410-636-1007. Other alternatives are Osmun's miniballs, or Gary Greenhoe's miniball conversions. Steve Shires also makes a great linkage. Every thing has been full of static here.....its very dry and windy.....just about everything metal, or almost metal that I touch gives me a good zap, but I've never zapped my trombone?? Am I missing out here....or does the trombone just not do that?? I'm not 100% certain about it, but if I remember my basic electronics courses, brass is non-conductive. Don't know why - I'd rather play it than figure that out, because the explanation will probably use words that make my brain itch. Chris -- ________________________________________________ Chris Waage, Associate Webmaster chris@trombone.org http://www.trombone.org - A web site for trombonists ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2296 Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 01:04:01 -0500 From: Bruce Guttman To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: insurance, bach linkages, static Message-ID: <200202100104_MC3-F156-F2AD@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message text written by INTERNET:eliztbone@nctimes.net >What do most of you do for insurance on your horns?? And what kind of coverage do they give you?< I have insurance through my homeowner's policy. I think it may be covered if it is stolen while it is burning ;-) When I checked what insurance would cost, I would have to lose a bone every 5 years to make a special policy worth while. I am not a full-time pro, and if I lose one horn, I can play another until I find a replacement. And I'm not discriminating enough to need to search through 100 horns to find the right one. Message text written by INTERNET:eliztbone@nctimes.net >Every thing has been full of static here.....its very dry and windy.....just about everything metal, or almost metal that I touch gives me a good zap, but I've never zapped my trombone?? Am I missing out here....or does the trombone just not do that??< You would get a nice zap if you put your trombone on a stand that made a good electrical contact with ground (i.e. black rubber dome and black rubber feet). Or you march into a cold water pipe while you play. You don't get zapped from your trombone unless there is a path for electricity to conduct from you to [electrical] ground. Bruce Guttman Solo Trombone, Hollis Town Band Section Leader, Merrimack Valley Philharmonic Orchestra ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2296 Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 02:57:33 -0500 From: "Dave Wank" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: insurance, bach linkages, static Message-ID: <000201c1b208$9cf578e0$a598fea9@computer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, Liz, First off, brass conducts electricity! Electrical fittings of all types are made of brass and they are electrically efficient. I am talking here about trombones, and other brass instruments, which may become part of an electrical circuit. However, when you scuff your feet on the carpet and get "zapped" when you touch something metal, you are feeling the results of electricity moving on the outside of the instrument from the outside of your body. Theoretically, you should be zapped when you touch the bone just as though you were touching some other piece of metal. However, this type of electricity, know as static electricity, is very susceptible to surface conditions. It may be that your horn has a finish which may deter static electricity or you just may not have touched it at the right time! Regarding instrument insurance, we have all of my wife's jewelry (she ain't no queen, either!), my Nikon camera and all its extra lenses and equipment, and five saxophones, two bones (bass and tenor), two flutes, and a clarinet insured through our homeowners policy as separate riders. All this costs us less than $150.00/year. We have only had a jewelry loss, when my wife lost a diamond earring. We called the agent and we had a check in hand in less than a week. I would recommend that you check with your homeowners policy agent. Our policy states that our instruments are not covered if we are playing professionally - those are the words used. Good luck. dave wank ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2296 Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 10:27:59 -0000 From: "Adrian Drover" To: "Dave Wank" , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: insurance, bach linkages, static Message-ID: <002701c1b21d$9d66a4b0$757968d5@homel29g9mgyk9> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Dave Wank" > First off, brass conducts electricity! Electrical fittings of all types are made of brass and they > are electrically efficient. I am talking here about trombones, and other brass instruments, which > may become part of an electrical circuit. I have my trombone connected to the gas supply. It's cheaper than electricity. Adrian PS. I'll be away in Malaga, Spain for the next few days to see if I can find some sunshine. I'll catch up with y'all when I get back. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2296 Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 06:10:20 -0600 From: "Gary Greenhoe" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: insurance, bach linkages, static Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Adrian, Be sure to turn off the gas before you leave! Gary -----Original Message----- From: owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu [mailto:owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu]On Behalf Of Adrian Drover Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2002 4:28 AM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Re: insurance, bach linkages, static From: "Dave Wank" > First off, brass conducts electricity! Electrical fittings of all types are made of brass and they > are electrically efficient. I am talking here about trombones, and other brass instruments, which > may become part of an electrical circuit. I have my trombone connected to the gas supply. It's cheaper than electricity. Adrian PS. I'll be away in Malaga, Spain for the next few days to see if I can find some sunshine. I'll catch up with y'all when I get back. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2296 Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 08:29:36 -0500 From: Peter Collins & Sara Wilbur To: eliztbone@nctimes.net Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: insurance, bach linkages, static Message-ID: <3C6675C0.3C494384@sympatico.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Liz and list, As for insurance, I have a separate company insure my horns. Somebody else wrote that their homeowners policy doesn't cover the instruments if they play professionally, that is the case with mine. I won't even attempt to get a rider no matter how much cheaper it may be if the hassle is going to be a problem. I insure my horns with HED Leipzig out of Winnipeg, Manitoba. It is a special deal with the OCSM (Organization of Canadian Symphonic Musicians). As for figures, I have insured my Edwards bass, a sackbut and an antique G bass and various equipment covered for around $100CDN per year. The deductible is $200. If you want more details than that from the policy contact me privately. I have never had to make a claim with them (knock of wood) so I don't really know how well they do at providing support during a claim. They also offered a death and dismemberment policy in addition to the instrument policy; they sent that with the last renewal. For an extra $10 per year you could insure most of your body against damage. Loss of fingers, toes, arms, legs, eyesight etc. but nothing to with dental/labial. I asked them about that saying something like it wouldn't matter to me if I lost fingers and toes or legs, I would still find a way to get on stage and play. BUT, if I ever got bonked in the chops by something that meant that I couldn't play for the rest of my life, that would be a problem. The women eventually got back to me saying that they couldn't insure dental/labial. She wasn't rude about or anything but I did explain that they were potentially missing out on half the orchestra what with the winds and brass and all. She said if enought people called or wrote that they might consider providing the insurance. Any takers? That's my insurance story for today. As for the conductivity of trombones, I often wondered about that as I sit in a pit with a stand light cord hanging down from the stand and what if the cord were slightly diminished and the slide touched bare wires. Would that be shocking for me? Peter Collins Bass Trombone Hamilton Philharmonic > What do most of you do for insurance on your horns?? And what kind of > coverage do they give you? > Every thing has been full of static here.....its very dry and windy.....just > about everything metal, or almost metal that I touch gives me a good zap, > but I've never zapped my trombone?? Am I missing out here....or does the > trombone just not do that?? > > Thanks!! > > Liz ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2296 Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 08:14:30 -0600 From: "Gary Greenhoe" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: insurance, bach linkages, static Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >>As for the conductivity of trombones, I often wondered about that as I sit in a pit with a stand light cord hanging down from the stand and what if the cord were slightly diminished and the slide touched bare wires. Would that be shocking for me? <<< Peter...You could consider that the "labial" shock therapy part of your policy, but you'd need clarification on dropping your horn while in therapy ...if they would cover those damages. ;-) Gary Peter Collins Bass Trombone Hamilton Philharmonic > What do most of you do for insurance on your horns?? And what kind of > coverage do they give you? > Every thing has been full of static here.....its very dry and windy.....just > about everything metal, or almost metal that I touch gives me a good zap, > but I've never zapped my trombone?? Am I missing out here....or does the > trombone just not do that?? > > Thanks!! > > Liz ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2296 Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 10:04:39 -0500 From: Craig Parmerlee To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Insurance Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20020210095908.00b53e18@acticalc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Watch that fine print. The homeowners policies may not cover the instruments out on a job, especially if they are used professionally. It is probably worthwhile to get the instruments itemized on your homeowner's policy to reduce the debates that might occur in the unfortunate cases of burglary or fire. There are several companies that specialize in insuring the tools of professional musicians. I'm afraid I can't come up with the company names right this instant, but if you are insuring a substantial pile of instruments, it is under $1 per hundred, and that covers everything including emergency rentals. Call the business office of your local symphony orchestra. They are likely to be using one of these companies. Cheers, Craig ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2296 Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 07:08:07 -0800 (PST) From: Gabriel Langfur To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: insurance, bach linkages, static Message-ID: <20020210150807.13250.qmail@web10305.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- Elisabeth Frederick wrote: > Hello Everyone.... > > I just have been having a few thoughts. > > What do most of you do for insurance on your horns?? And > what kind of > coverage do they give you? I insure my instrument with Clarion. They specialize in musical instrument insurance, and my understanding is that they'll cover damage or loss under any circumstance ("Your coverage would be world-wide and all risk, subject to the tems and condidions of the policy"). As a professionl musician, it's my understanding that it's important to go this route rather than a rider on my homeowners policy. My wife's flute (worth a heluvalot more than my trombone) is covered on the same policy. We pay 66 cents per $115 of value, a total of $115/year for the minimum coverage of up to $17,500 in value. They require a minimum total value of $3,000. This is the discounted rate for members of Chamber Music America - I don't know the non-discounted rate. The AFM has a group discount rate with a different carrier I believe. Clarion can be reached at 1-800-VIVALDI Cute, huh? Gabe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2296 Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 09:18:07 -0600 From: "Gary Greenhoe" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: Insurance Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Good advice, Craig. Also, even Orchestra insurance policies have a bunch of fine print. We had a bassist that incurred major damage to a bass that was shipped. The insurance CO. would NOT cover it since it was not being used on an official orchestra gig. That raised some major eyebrows here in Milwaukee.....since I've had about 30 trombones covered under that policy. Did I mention my 403B Inron investments? ;-) Gary -----Original Message----- From: owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu [mailto:owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu]On Behalf Of Craig Parmerlee Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2002 9:05 AM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Insurance Watch that fine print. The homeowners policies may not cover the instruments out on a job, especially if they are used professionally. It is probably worthwhile to get the instruments itemized on your homeowner's policy to reduce the debates that might occur in the unfortunate cases of burglary or fire. There are several companies that specialize in insuring the tools of professional musicians. I'm afraid I can't come up with the company names right this instant, but if you are insuring a substantial pile of instruments, it is under $1 per hundred, and that covers everything including emergency rentals. Call the business office of your local symphony orchestra. They are likely to be using one of these companies. Cheers, Craig ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2296 Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 10:23:47 -0500 From: "Steve Beck" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: insurance, bach linkages, static Message-ID: <003901c1b246$f3ec77a0$70300923@cl.msu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I have my trombone connected to the gas supply. It's cheaper than > electricity. > Adrian and From: "Gary Greenhoe > Adrian, > Be sure to turn off the gas before you leave! > Gary Gary, if that's the gas that powers Adrian's horns, I believe he is taking it with him. :-) -Steve ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2296 Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 11:27:22 -0500 From: Craig Parmerlee To: glangfur@yahoo.com, "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: insurance, bach linkages, static Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20020210112238.01e714a0@acticalc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Thanks, Gabe. Clarion was the company I was trying to remember. Right now, I'm self-insured, but I've been in the process of getting my records in shape to open a Clarion policy. Our community band used Clarion, and I think the Indianapolis Symphony Orchestra does too. Definitely check them out., They have been specializing in instrument insurance for a long time. Cheers, Craig P.S. I think there was a typo in Gab'e rates below. I think he meant "66 cents per $100 value". The minimum policy of $17,500 * .0066 is $115 per year. At 07:08 AM 2/10/2002 -0800, Gabriel Langfur wrote: I insure my instrument with Clarion. They specialize in musical instrument insurance, and my understanding is that they'll cover damage or loss under any circumstance ("Your coverage would be world-wide and all risk, subject to the tems and condidions of the policy"). As a professionl musician, it's my understanding that it's important to go this route rather than a rider on my homeowners policy. My wife's flute (worth a heluvalot more than my trombone) is covered on the same policy. We pay 66 cents per $115 of value, a total of $115/year for the minimum coverage of up to $17,500 in value. They require a minimum total value of $3,000. This is the discounted rate for members of Chamber Music America - I don't know the non-discounted rate. The AFM has a group discount rate with a different carrier I believe. Clarion can be reached at 1-800-VIVALDI Cute, huh? Gabe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2296 Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 11:12:36 -0600 From: "Dilshad Kasmani" To: "TboneCentral" , "JJ List" , Subject: Trombone "Evolution" Pic Message-ID: <00f801c1b256$2405b550$6f01aec7@dkasmani3> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A while back, some folks were looking for the Trombone Evolution graphic, but no one could seem to find it. Well, I found it while cleaning off some files on my computer. If anyone is still looking for the picture, just drop me a line off the list and I would be happy to send it to you. Dilshad ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2296 Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 09:29:18 -0800 (PST) From: Jim Marcia To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I'm back in North America. Please re-subscribe me. Thanks, Jim Marcia ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2296 Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 17:35:12 From: "Michael Clayville" To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Eastman School of Music auditions Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I actually attended Eastman from 1996-2000 so hopefully I can give a little insight into the audition process. Though John Marcellus is on sabbatical for the semester and Ralph Sauer (from the LA Phil) is filling in. Depending on who is running the auditions it could be a different experience this year. Here's how they usually work... you get there early in the day and attend a mass meeting where they tell you what's going to happen the rest of the day. During the course of the day you'll have an interview with a member of the administration (to try to weed out the insane), you'll take a theory examination (strictly a formality, they want to see where you are), and you'll have your audition proper. The audition panel usually consists of Doc and the current teaching assistant. You'll play your prepared solo and excerpts and then you'll be asked to do some sight-reading. Its a pretty low-stress experience but be prepared for some curveballs, Doc will sometimes ask auditionees to play along with a recording of the accompaniment of the solo they prepared and for grad student applicants he's not above having auditionees transpose Bolero to the key of e or something. That's about it. If you're auditioning don't sweat it just go in and play your best. Mike Clayville www.monumentalbrass.org I was wondering if any of you on the list have auditioned for the Eastman School of Music (University of Rochester), and if so what was the audition process like? I have checked out their website, and know of the credentials, but not of the audition process itself. Could anyone clue me in? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2296 Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 09:44:55 -0800 From: "Elisabeth Frederick" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: "Professional" was:insurance Message-ID: <002a01c1b25a$a755bfa0$5472fb3f@d9h2z9> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey List.... Right now....and probably for another 3 years, I will be a college student.....BUT....what defines a professional musician? While I'm in school can I not worry about it? I guess I'll get my dad to call our insurance agent to find out about my horns......*whee* Liz ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2296--