TROMBONE-L Digest 2274 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Piano music for a hand by "Tom C. Shaddox" 2) Re: Piano music for a hand by Walter Barrett 3) Re: Army Blues band by Craig Parmerlee 4) Re: Lefties - a retraction based on new evidence by "s76lewis" 5) Re: buzz visualizers by Gabriel Langfur 6) Civic trombones get the axe by R Miller 7) Mouthpiece History Question by "William Huber" 8) Re: buzz visualizers by sabutin 9) Re: Civic trombones get the axe by Gabriel Langfur 10) Re: Music Notation Software by Scott Moore 11) Re: buzz visualizers by "Steve Beck" 12) Wagenseil: trills and stuff by "Cary Porter" 13) Re: Lefties - a retraction based on new evidence by "Billy Cordova" 14) Re: Army Blues band by Earl Needham 15) Re: buzz visualizers by Earl Needham 16) Re: Teaching slide position to beginners by "Gary D. Maxwell" 17) Re: buzz visualizers by "Gary D. Maxwell" 18) Re: Teaching slide position to beginners by Chris Waage 19) Re: Army Blues band by Craig Parmerlee 20) Re: Army Blues band by BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com 21) Fennell to Conduct Denver Concert Band by David Oliver 22) elliot bass bone mpc for salr by "Charles Levine" 23) Re: Lefties - a retraction based on new evidence by "Richard Johnson" 24) Re: Teaching slide position to beginners by David Buckley 25) Re: Army Blues band by David Buckley 26) Re: from the NY Times - Spin Doctors at Work by BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com 27) Re: Fennell to Conduct Denver Concert Band by David Buckley 28) Re: Fennell to Conduct Denver Concert Band by David Buckley 29) Re: Army Blues band by Craig Parmerlee ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2274 Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 12:52:01 -0600 From: "Tom C. Shaddox" To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Piano music for a hand Message-ID: <3C486ED1.246BC456@fnc.fujitsu.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Say, what's the difference between "piano music for one hand" and "piano music for left hand"? Are the "left handed" compositions written using patterns and combinations that are difficult or impossible to do right handed? Or is it that if you scoot down the bench to play the piece right handed, you can't work the pedals? Or are they just having fun with the names of these pieces (and low brass players)? Tom Shaddox, 9th chair tenor P.S. With the advent of electronic keyboards, it wouldn't be that hard to rewire/reprogram to have the low note keys to the right and the high note keys to the left for beginning left handed players. P.P.S. On second thought, forget I even mentioned it. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2274 Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:04:22 -0500 From: Walter Barrett To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Piano music for a hand Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit on 1/18/02 1:52 PM, Tom C. Shaddox at Tom.Shaddox@fnc.fujitsu.com sent forth into the cosmos: > With the advent of electronic keyboards, it wouldn't be that hard > to rewire/reprogram to have the low note keys to the right and the high > note keys to the left for beginning left handed players. > > P.P.S. On second thought, forget I even mentioned it. When I was in college, I took the Electronic Music course with Elias Tanenbaum. MSM had a big ARP 2500 modular analog synth, and you could easily hook it up to play the keyboard reversed. Now THAT was a mind-expander! -- Walter Barrett My Pet Peeve- People with pet peeves! Yamaha Artist/Clinician Tenor, Alto, Bass Trombones Euphonium Bass Trumpet Tuba ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2274 Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:12:05 -0500 From: Craig Parmerlee To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Army Blues band Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20020118140003.00b2fcd0@acticalc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 11:36 AM 1/18/2002 -0500, David Buckley wrote: > As others have mentioned about the various military ensembles, the sound > system was a notch below the calibre of the music. A notch below? Anytime I have heard this group the sound was thoroughly disgusting. I was trying to be nice. It was a reeeeeeeal big notch below. A true disservice to the group. The sound crew did improve it a little after the first 20 minutes, but basically they are not using very good equipment and the mic placement didn't help much. They ran a bunch of mics in front of the saxes, but nothing for the trumpets and trombones. And as you had reported earlier, there was some funky rumble that seemed to come from the rhythm section. I suspect the drum riser was acting like a big resonator. If they are carrying their own risers, they out to put in some sound dampering material. Sound crews can outthink themselves a lot of times. Unless you have top notch equipment and top notch engineers, you are often better off just getting two good mics on high booms and let the ensemble balance itself naturally. That plus a couple of solo mics that are turned off when not in use would have done a lot better. It isn't a matter of money. Our local symphonic band reworked our PA system the last 2 years. We spent a total of under $4000 and have a system that beat what they are using by a long shot -- and it is MUCH more compact. I noticed they all had nice instruments and the band was traveling in a nice coach. It seems like they could pup for $4000 to make the band sound good. As I said, the band sounded superb at low volume levels when the sound system wasn't doing much. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2274 Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 13:09:34 -0600 From: "s76lewis" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Lefties - a retraction based on new evidence Message-ID: <001901c1a053$acb38360$6401a8c0@lewis8uqa3gymu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0016_01C1A021.60179E10" Hello,list; I wonder what year the poll was taken?Ê I notice a higher incidence of lefties signing (my personnel lists in my community band ) than 12%. I think musiciansÊmay be at least 20% left-handed. I'll pay more attention in Band next week. In fact at one time we had 20% lefties in my section and 60% redheads.Ê Sandy Lewis ----- Original Message ----- From: richardt@LEE.ARMY.MIL To: Trombones and related issues forum. Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 9:41 AM Subject: Lefties - a retraction based on new evidence I have argued in favor of not switching lefties to right handed trombone. However, new data has forced me to change my position. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2274 Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 11:16:51 -0800 (PST) From: Gabriel Langfur To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: buzz visualizers Message-ID: <20020118191651.6633.qmail@web10304.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii They are manufactured, and I've seen them on the shelves at Osmun Music (www.osmun.com). What they have may or may not be similar to what you're playing. A visualizer is pretty easy to make though... Gabe --- Shaun Hillen wrote: > Dear List, > Can anyone direct me to the best places to find buzz > visualizers? You know, > the mouthpiece (rim only) attached to a handle. Are > there such places that > make them or do I have to build my own? > --Shaun > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2274 Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 13:22:05 -0800 From: R Miller To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Civic trombones get the axe Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020119131251.0268d090@millerusa.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I was just on my way to my studio to slave away at the bass trombone list for this audition, when I stopped at the computer to read some e-mails and got this news.. What a drag. It's beyond being a drag. As a Roosevelt student of Jay's, I have very much had this audition in mind for quite some time. I have a call in to him to get his opinions on this development. Every practice session for the last nine months has been with that audition in mind, and suddenly I feel kind of ill. Ryan Miller bass trombone scenic Bolingbrook, IL ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2274 Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 13:43:22 -0600 From: "William Huber" To: "trombone-l" Subject: Mouthpiece History Question Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Dear List, In the 1940's, did Conn 4-H's include a standard mouthpiece when they were sold, and if they did, what might it/they have been? You may reply in person if you wish to avoid clogging the List. With Advance Thanks, BIll Huber Nashville Trombone-L Digest Subscriber wphtbn@mindspring.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2274 Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:57:17 -0500 From: sabutin To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: buzz visualizers Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Ingredients for buzz visualizer. 1-Old m'pce...preferably w/a rim SOMEWHAT near the one you usually play. 2-Vise. 3-Hacksaw. 4-Fingers. Sam ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2274 Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 13:03:26 -0800 (PST) From: Gabriel Langfur To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Civic trombones get the axe Message-ID: <20020118210326.10039.qmail@web10301.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- R Miller wrote: > Every practice session for the last nine months has been > with that audition > in mind, and suddenly I feel kind of ill. Ryan, That really is a drag - for you personally and for everyone else who was planning to audition. You'll feel a lot more ill, however, when you travel to an audition for a relatively small job, play very well, hear other people in your round play very well (also hear other people in your round sound like dog-doo) and not have anybody advance. When you've invested hundreds of dollars towards a job that pays less than $20,000/year, and the committe either isn't really listening or doesn't really care - then you'll really feel ill. On the positive side, every time I've put my nose to the grindstone and practiced really hard for an audition, the level of my playing has risen markedly. My advice would be to use this opportunity to make a really kick-butt audition tape. Record the whole Civic list, the standard AFM taped resume list (call & ask for it), and anything else you're feeling good about right now. Maybe spend some money to have the recording sound REALLY good, and you might be able to use it for a few years. Gabe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2274 Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 16:16:15 -0600 From: Scott Moore To: Trombone List Subject: Re: Music Notation Software Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v480) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've been teaching a course this January (a Mini-term at Gustavus) on music software. We used the following (Mac platform): Finale 2002 ($195) www.codamusic.com Sibelius ($230) www.sibelius.com Igor Engraver ($195) www.noteheads.com Mosaic ($185) www.motu.com and for OS X: NoteAbility Pro ($225) http://debussy.music.ubc.ca/~opus1 Encore (not sure about the education price) www.gvox.com Harmony X ($65) www.myriad-online.com Of 18 students, it looks like Sibelius gets the nod. We are a "Finale department", yet I have to admit that version 2 of Sibelius is stunning. Flexi-time input is wonderful, the simple entry is quick, and you can figure things out. Look for an OS X version in the next couple of months. They are really working to knock off Coda! Ask a Juilliard student what they think... they just switched from Finale to Sibelius. Finale is still fantastic, yet Coda's support for my students has been awful, for the most part. They seem cool to the idea of moving to OS X, and say that they will release Finale 2003 BEFORE it is available for the new system. The reason we want to move to OSX is so we can do away with OMS, among other things. Couple of surprises. Harmony X (or Harmony Assistant for Windows/OS9)... where did this come from? You can do an awful lot of things easily, like afford to buy it. Give the demo a try. Mosaic imports midi better than any of the others, but still has a gross interface and rather crude tools. NoteAbility Pro is amazing... if you invest the time to figure it out. It is the only native OSX program available. I use it to write methods and theory exams because of its beautiful output and flexibility. I'll look over MUP over the weekend. Hope this helps... Scott Scott Moore Music Department Gustavus Adolphus College Saint Peter, MN 56082 507/933-6260 dmoore@gustavus.edu http://www.gustavus.edu/~dmoore Erik Berggren writes: Sometime back someone passed along a web site where one could find a free download of Finale Note Pad, a very simple version, no doubt. Do any of you know whether this is something that is still available and, if so, what the site is? ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2274 Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 17:19:39 -0500 From: "Steve Beck" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: buzz visualizers Message-ID: <010a01c1a06e$3ba06a60$76300923@cl.msu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "sabutin" > Ingredients for buzz visualizer. > 2-Vise. > > 3-Hacksaw. > > 4-Fingers. Okay, I removed my fingers - now what? Guess I'll be using my left hand for the slide now. Thank God for the last 2,000 posts on making that switch. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2274 Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 16:34:12 -0600 From: "Cary Porter" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Wagenseil: trills and stuff Message-ID: <001001c1a070$40e16860$35b03e81@baylor.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit First, I am curious if anyone can give me suggestions on how to handle the large skips in the trills when playing the Concerto on the alto (possible appaggiatura's? or whatever). Second, there are some minor differences in rhythm between a couple of versions (the Paul R. Bryan and the Willy Muller with the later having the piano part done by Kurt Janetzky), and I was curious which one was more accepted (especially for auditions). Thank you, Cary Porter ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2274 Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 17:21:56 -0600 From: "Billy Cordova" To: Cc: "Trombone-L" Subject: Re: Lefties - a retraction based on new evidence Message-ID: <003401c1a076$ec6c7340$34294c42@coxinternet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lefties - a retraction based on new evidenceSandy, The poll was taken 4/23/01, as can be seen if you visit the OTJ and look up the old polls (www.trombone.org/polls/). Billy Cordova I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it - Voltaire St. Cecelia, pray for us. ----- Original Message ----- From: s76lewis To: Trombones and related issues forum. Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 1:09 PM Subject: Re: Lefties - a retraction based on new evidence Hello,list; I wonder what year the poll was taken? I notice a higher incidence of lefties signing (my personnel lists in my community band ) than 12%. I think musicians may be at least 20% left-handed. I'll pay more attention in Band next week. In fact at one time we had 20% lefties in my section and 60% redheads. Sandy Lewis ----- Original Message ----- From: richardt@LEE.ARMY.MIL To: Trombones and related issues forum. Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 9:41 AM Subject: Lefties - a retraction based on new evidence I have argued in favor of not switching lefties to right handed trombone. However, new data has forced me to change my position. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2274 Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 17:53:53 -0700 From: Earl Needham To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Army Blues band Message-ID: <4.2.2.20020118175307.00aa7fd0@pop3.norton.antivirus> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 02:12 PM 1/18/2002 -0500, Craig Parmerlee wrote: At 11:36 AM 1/18/2002 -0500, David Buckley wrote: > As others have mentioned about the various military ensembles, the sound > system was a notch below the calibre of the music. A notch below? Anytime I have heard this group the sound was thoroughly disgusting. I was trying to be nice. It was a reeeeeeeal big notch below. A true disservice to the group. The sound crew did improve it a little after the first 20 minutes, but basically they are not using very good equipment and the mic placement didn't help much. I wonder why it seems to be so difficult to get the idea across to THEM! This has been a common complaint for years, and it continues... Earl ********************************************************* Earl Needham, KD5XB mailto:needhame@yucca.net Clovis, New Mexico KD5XB-2>APU24L,WA5IHL-11,K5BEN-15,WA5IHL-7,W5SF-1,K5CQH-15,WB5EKP-1*,TRACE7- 1:=3425.84N/10313.56W-[DM84] Pet peeve #1: You look at a "SITE" with your "SIGHT". Pet peeve #2: "Congratulations" does NOT have a "d" in it. Old pet peeve: People who get themselves on a mailing list and then can't figure out how to get OFF the list, then repeatedly sending "unsubscribe" or "remove" as one-word messages to the list. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2274 Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 17:56:21 -0700 From: Earl Needham To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: buzz visualizers Message-ID: <4.2.2.20020118175605.00b32d28@pop3.norton.antivirus> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 05:19 PM 1/18/2002 -0500, Steve Beck wrote: From: "sabutin" > Ingredients for buzz visualizer. > 2-Vise. > > 3-Hacksaw. > > 4-Fingers. Okay, I removed my fingers - now what? Guess I'll be using my left hand for the slide now. Thank God for the last 2,000 posts on making that switch. Adrian, did you get a new email address??? Earl ********************************************************* Earl Needham, KD5XB mailto:needhame@yucca.net Clovis, New Mexico KD5XB-2>APU24L,WA5IHL-11,K5BEN-15,WA5IHL-7,W5SF-1,K5CQH-15,WB5EKP-1*,TRACE7- 1:=3425.84N/10313.56W-[DM84] Pet peeve #1: You look at a "SITE" with your "SIGHT". Pet peeve #2: "Congratulations" does NOT have a "d" in it. Old pet peeve: People who get themselves on a mailing list and then can't figure out how to get OFF the list, then repeatedly sending "unsubscribe" or "remove" as one-word messages to the list. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2274 Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 16:56:21 -0800 From: "Gary D. Maxwell" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Teaching slide position to beginners Message-ID: <004001c1a084$1da58ac0$7d525d3f@garymaxwell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003D_01C1A041.0E436220" I guess with a small center punch and a ball-peen hammer, one could install "click" stops. Sort of a reverse "frets" idea. (Tongue firmly planted) Gary Maxwell ----- Original Message ----- From: Marple, Richard L COL BAMC-Ft Sam Houston To: Trombones and related issues forum. Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 8:07 AM Subject: RE: Teaching slide position to beginners Subject: Re: Teaching slide position to beginners One of my mom's friends daughter's was learning cello, and I recall her having tape on the cello where various positions were. > Hmmm - how do they teach finger/note positions to beginning cellists and > string bass players: by pitch or by position? ============================== OK, I put the colored tape on my student's outer slide but it had the gall to keep changing positions as they changed slide positions, then I realized that the inner slides don't move! Ha, another satisfied student! But why don't I get any call backs and follow up lessons? :-). Seriously, I did see one middle schooler with magic marker on his inner slide marking all of the positions. I'm sure this slowed down his learning to read music. Rick Marple San Antonio TX "Science is just another belief system" ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2274 Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 17:02:07 -0800 From: "Gary D. Maxwell" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: buzz visualizers Message-ID: <005701c1a084$eb4e77c0$7d525d3f@garymaxwell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "sabutin" > Ingredients for buzz visualizer. > > 1-Old m'pce...preferably w/a rim SOMEWHAT near the one you usually play. > > 2-Vise. > > 3-Hacksaw. > > 4-Fingers. ================================= 4 fingers of what Sam? Gary Maxwell ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2274 Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 19:06:51 -0600 From: Chris Waage To: Trombone-L Subject: Re: Teaching slide position to beginners Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Or, if you use the hacksaw Sabutin mentioned, it would give a whole new meaning to "Feelin' Groovy" . . . I guess with a small center punch and a ball-peen hammer, one could install "click" stops. Sort of a reverse "frets" idea. (Tongue firmly planted) Gary Maxwell ----- Original Message ----- From: Marple, Richard L COL BAMC-Ft Sam Houston To: Trombones and related issues forum. Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 8:07 AM Subject: RE: Teaching slide position to beginners Subject: Re: Teaching slide position to beginners One of my mom's friends daughter's was learning cello, and I recall her having tape on the cello where various positions were. > Hmmm - how do they teach finger/note positions to beginning cellists and string bass players: by pitch or by position? ============================== OK, I put the colored tape on my student's outer slide but it had the gall to keep changing positions as they changed slide positions, then I realized that the inner slides don't move! Ha, another satisfied student! But why don't I get any call backs and follow up lessons? :-). Seriously, I did see one middle schooler with magic marker on his inner slide marking all of the positions. I'm sure this slowed down his learning to read music. Rick Marple San Antonio TX "Science is just another belief system" -- ________________________________________________ Chris Waage, Associate Webmaster chris@trombone.org http://www.trombone.org - A web site for trombonists ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2274 Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 22:30:04 -0500 From: Craig Parmerlee To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Army Blues band Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20020118222602.01ea3018@acticalc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 05:53 PM 1/18/2002 -0700, Earl Needham wrote: At 02:12 PM 1/18/2002 -0500, Craig Parmerlee wrote: At 11:36 AM 1/18/2002 -0500, David Buckley wrote: > As others have mentioned about the various military ensembles, the sound > system was a notch below the calibre of the music. A notch below? Anytime I have heard this group the sound was thoroughly disgusting. I was trying to be nice. It was a reeeeeeeal big notch below. A true disservice to the group. The sound crew did improve it a little after the first 20 minutes, but basically they are not using very good equipment and the mic placement didn't help much. I wonder why it seems to be so difficult to get the idea across to THEM! This has been a common complaint for years, and it continues... God only knows. At this particular concert, there was all kinds of Brass from the present and former Army Band hierarchy in the audience. I can only conclude that they are all deaf from having practice mortars going off nearby during basic training 40 years ago. As I said, it doesn't take a whole lot of money or edjekashun to do a better job with the sound. For the cost of a toilet seat and a hammer, they could have a really nice sound system. :) ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2274 Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 23:22:24 EST From: BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com To: craig@acticalc.com, trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Army Blues band Message-ID: <83.15897226.297a4e80@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Could be that they like the local community band do the 1812 at 4 July and the last movement is accompanied by the 75MM Howitzers. Maybe a 175 also. One of the trumpet players now has a hearing aid in each ear. beldon wade ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2274 Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 22:38:33 -0800 From: David Oliver To: Trombone List Subject: Fennell to Conduct Denver Concert Band Message-ID: <3C491469.21D4FA42@accessnetusa.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit OK, fellow trombone types. I don't normally post our band concerts to the list, but I thought I'd send this announcement, as Frederick Fennell is going to conduct our next concert. We certainly have our trombone heavyweights, but you have to admit that Fennell is one of the wind band heavyweights. I'm pretty excited about it to say the least, being into that kind of stuff - a bit. I listen to the Rutgers Wind Ensemble CD's (and others) like people listen to whatever favorite CD's they have. Re: left handed slide playing, my (meager) opinion is to do it "right". I tried to play french horn for a bit in the 9th grade because my junior high didn't have any, and yes that meant left handed. I was thrilled to go back to trombone 10 weeks later let me tell you, but *not* because of the left handed nature. Trombone since the end of 4th grade was "me". It really felt weird sitting in band holding and "playing" a french horn. David Oliver -------------------------------- Frederick Fennell (renowned wind band conductor) will conduct the Denver Concert Band at our next concert in February. Fennell started conducting at the University of Rochester's Eastman School of Music in 1933 not too long after arriving as a student. He later established the Eastman Wind Ensemble in 1952. In 1984, he became the first principal conductor of the Tokyo Kosei Wind Orchestra, and is also the principal guest conductor of the Dallas Wind Symphony. When: Saturday, February 16th, 2002 at 7:00 p.m. Where: Central Presbyterian Church, 1660 Sherman St., Denver CO, 80203 (parking garage next door and lot across the street) Cost: $10 for adults, $5 for students and seniors I'm not sure of the final program, but it includes: "First Suite in Eb for Military Band", by Gustav Holst "William Byrd Suite", by Gordon Jacob "Russian Sailor's Dance", by Reinhold Gliere (trans. by E. Leidzen) "Prayer and Dream Pantomime", by Engelbert Humperdinck (trans. by J. Maddy) "Florentiner March", by Julius Fucik (Arr. by M.L. Lake, Ed. by F. Fennell) "Elegy", by John Barnes Chance (yeah! - ok, so I'm a John Barnes Chance nut) "Symphonic Suite from FAR AND AWAY", by John Williams (Adap. by P. Lavender) "Fantasia in G Major", by J.S. Bach (trans. by R.F. Goldman & R. Leist) Frederick Fennell will also hold an open "question and answer" session following a brief intermission. Please pass the word to friends or relatives who live in, or will be visiting the Denver area. Hope to see you there! David Oliver Broomfield, Colorado USA Trombone, Denver Concert Band www.denverconcertband.org P.S. If you go to the website and click on the "concerts" link, I'm the funny looking bass trombone player with the mustache, 6th from the right. The picture was taken late last year, just prior to the "Fantasy" concert, however the gorgeous organ pipes are cropped out of the top of the website picture. Del Pakiser (first part of "Pakover" TR-181 mod.) is sitting to my right. Hope he doesn't mind... ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2274 Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 06:12:09 -0600 From: "Charles Levine" To: "tlist" Subject: elliot bass bone mpc for salr Message-ID: <000801c1a0e2$85f36b20$deb01ad1@D7493111> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C1A0B0.3A7E79A0" 114 rimÊÊÊ k cup k9 shank carrying pouch $45 for all postpaid! chardy@totcon.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2274 Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 08:50:27 -0600 From: "Richard Johnson" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Lefties - a retraction based on new evidence Message-ID: <002801c1a0f8$a27e3c00$67abbaac@zemry> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just finished watching a rap video by "Outkast" (I got teenage daughters, what can I say). I don't remember the name of the song but the most repeated words seemed to be, "The whole world loves you when you don't get down." They had some guy on the video "playing" a trombone left-handed. However, there were no discernable trombone parts in the song and he looked as if he had picked up a trombone for the first time that morning! **************************************************************************** ** Richard Zemry Johnson, Jr. "The Untouchables" Jazz Ensemble Shreveport Metropolitan Concert Band ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, , "There won't come a time when you won't have to practice anymore." J. J. Johnson **************************************************************************** ***** I'm not satisfied with anything about my playing. I know what I want. I can hear it; but it will take time and study to get it" -Sonny Rollins (1956) ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2274 Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 11:21:36 -0500 From: David Buckley To: gdmaxwell@ev1.net Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Teaching slide position to beginners Message-ID: <3C499D10.CC792D14@sympatico.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------346228172229C6914C560CD4" Reminds me of my days leading a Salvation Army band. The concert G and Gflat above the staff gave my players all kinds of problems (and according to my orchestra conductor, they still give me problems). After tuning the chord, my last words would be, "Now scratch it on the slide". Usually worked too. Dave. "Gary D. Maxwell" wrote: I guess with a small center punch and a ball-peen hammer, one could install "click" stops. Sort of a reverse "frets" idea. (Tongue firmly planted)ÊGary Maxwell ----- Original Message ----- From: Marple, Richard L COL BAMC-Ft Sam Houston To: Trombones and related issues forum. Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 8:07 AM Subject: RE: Teaching slide position to beginners Subject: Re: Teaching slide position to beginners One of my mom's friends daughter's was learning cello, and I recall her having tape on the cello where various positions were. > Hmmm - how do they teach finger/note positions to beginning cellists and > string bass players: by pitch or by position? ============================== OK, I put the colored tape on my student's outer slide but it had the gall to keep changing positions as they changed slide positions, then I realized that the inner slides don't move! Ha, another satisfied student! But why don't I get any call backs and follow up lessons? :-). Seriously, I did see one middle schooler with magic marker on his inner slide marking all of the positions. I'm sure this slowed down his learning to read music. Rick Marple San Antonio TX "Science is just another belief system" ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2274 Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 11:24:47 -0500 From: David Buckley To: craig@acticalc.com Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Army Blues band Message-ID: <3C499DCF.CC5D6560@sympatico.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Any more recruits for my "Ban the Mics Society"? This and similar groups would sound about 5,000% better with no mics at all. I must confess I have a lot of trouble understanding the jazz mindset. Dave. Craig Parmerlee wrote: > At 05:53 PM 1/18/2002 -0700, Earl Needham wrote: > >At 02:12 PM 1/18/2002 -0500, Craig Parmerlee wrote: > >>At 11:36 AM 1/18/2002 -0500, David Buckley wrote: > >>> > As others have mentioned about the various military ensembles, the sound > >>> > system was a notch below the calibre of the music. > >>> > >>>A notch below? Anytime I have heard this group the sound was thoroughly > >>>disgusting. > >> > >>I was trying to be nice. It was a reeeeeeeal big notch below. A true > >>disservice to the group. The sound crew did improve it a little after > >>the first 20 minutes, but basically they are not using very good > >>equipment and the mic placement didn't help much. > > > > I wonder why it seems to be so difficult to get the idea across > > to THEM! This has been a common complaint for years, and it continues... > > God only knows. At this particular concert, there was all kinds of Brass > from the present and former Army Band hierarchy in the audience. I can > only conclude that they are all deaf from having practice mortars going off > nearby during basic training 40 years ago. As I said, it doesn't take a > whole lot of money or edjekashun to do a better job with the sound. For > the cost of a toilet seat and a hammer, they could have a really nice sound > system. :) ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2274 Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 11:19:16 EST From: BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com To: ellard@sprint.ca, trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: from the NY Times - Spin Doctors at Work Message-ID: <3b.20c78390.297af684@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yeah this makes sense like. The bandersnatch got stuck in the framistat and the total repair bill will be $1,200.00 unless you want to fix the hitchesganger in which case we can get a rebuilt one for another $350.00, if you really want to save money. We also have another real bargain. For another $300.00 we can give you 3,000 shares of Enron stock in the company that the Swiss Bank is taking over and will pay profits to the stockholders. Earnings are a little flat but that will correct itself. beldon wade ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2274 Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 11:34:59 -0500 From: David Buckley To: dcoliver@accessnetusa.com Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Fennell to Conduct Denver Concert Band Message-ID: <3C49A033.EFDB6DA2@sympatico.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Too bad I'm so far away Dave. You should have fun with Fennell. I was introduced to him at an ABA dinner a few years ago when he dressed up in an old military uniform and marched in playing the snare drum with a whistle player. Neat little man. Nice to see an Erik Leidzen transcription on the program too. I have just finished reading Ron Holz' bio of Leidzen. For all the young members on the list, he was staff arranger for the Goldman Band from 1933 until Goldman died and also a prolific composer of brass band music primarily for the Salvation Army. Extraordinarily muscular yet sentimental composer. One I like to think of as a true New Yorker. Dave. David Oliver wrote: > OK, fellow trombone types. I don't normally post our band concerts to > the list, but I thought I'd send this announcement, as Frederick Fennell > is going to conduct our next concert. We certainly have our trombone > heavyweights, but you have to admit that Fennell is one of the wind band > heavyweights. I'm pretty excited about it to say the least, being into > that kind of stuff - a bit. I listen to the Rutgers Wind Ensemble CD's > (and others) like people listen to whatever favorite CD's they have. > > Re: left handed slide playing, my (meager) opinion is to do it "right". > I tried to play french horn for a bit in the 9th grade because my junior > high didn't have any, and yes that meant left handed. I was thrilled to > go back to trombone 10 weeks later let me tell you, but *not* because of > the left handed nature. Trombone since the end of 4th grade was "me". It > really felt weird sitting in band holding and "playing" a french horn. > > David Oliver > > -------------------------------- > Frederick Fennell (renowned wind band conductor) will conduct the Denver > Concert Band at our next concert in February. Fennell started conducting > at the University of Rochester's Eastman School of Music in 1933 not too > long after arriving as a student. He later established the Eastman Wind > Ensemble in 1952. > In 1984, he became the first principal conductor of the Tokyo Kosei Wind > Orchestra, and is also the principal guest conductor of the Dallas Wind > Symphony. > > When: Saturday, February 16th, 2002 at 7:00 p.m. > > Where: Central Presbyterian Church, 1660 Sherman St., Denver CO, 80203 > (parking garage next door and lot across the street) > > Cost: $10 for adults, $5 for students and seniors > > I'm not sure of the final program, but it includes: > > "First Suite in Eb for Military Band", by Gustav Holst > "William Byrd Suite", by Gordon Jacob > "Russian Sailor's Dance", by Reinhold Gliere (trans. by E. Leidzen) > "Prayer and Dream Pantomime", by Engelbert Humperdinck (trans. by J. > Maddy) > "Florentiner March", by Julius Fucik (Arr. by M.L. Lake, Ed. by F. > Fennell) > "Elegy", by John Barnes Chance (yeah! - ok, so I'm a John Barnes Chance > nut) > "Symphonic Suite from FAR AND AWAY", by John Williams (Adap. by P. > Lavender) > "Fantasia in G Major", by J.S. Bach (trans. by R.F. Goldman & R. Leist) > > Frederick Fennell will also hold an open "question and answer" session > following a brief intermission. > > Please pass the word to friends or relatives who live in, or will be > visiting the Denver area. > Hope to see you there! > > David Oliver > Broomfield, Colorado USA > Trombone, Denver Concert Band > www.denverconcertband.org > > P.S. If you go to the website and click on the "concerts" link, I'm the > funny looking bass trombone player with the mustache, 6th from the > right. The picture was taken late last year, just prior to the "Fantasy" > concert, however the gorgeous organ pipes are cropped out of the top of > the website picture. > Del Pakiser (first part of "Pakover" TR-181 mod.) is sitting to my > right. Hope he doesn't mind... ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2274 Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 11:37:48 -0500 From: David Buckley To: dcoliver@accessnetusa.com Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Fennell to Conduct Denver Concert Band Message-ID: <3C49A0DC.C99A9A0A@sympatico.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Forgot the obligatory trombone content in my last post. Leidzen wrote the Concerto for (brass) Band and Trombone in 1953/54 for Maisie Ringham. In '54 he also sent a manuscript copy to me in Vancouver, BC and I premiered the piece in Canada in 1955. Dave. David Oliver wrote: > OK, fellow trombone types. I don't normally post our band concerts to > the list, but I thought I'd send this announcement, as Frederick Fennell > is going to conduct our next concert. We certainly have our trombone > heavyweights, but you have to admit that Fennell is one of the wind band > heavyweights. I'm pretty excited about it to say the least, being into > that kind of stuff - a bit. I listen to the Rutgers Wind Ensemble CD's > (and others) like people listen to whatever favorite CD's they have. > > Re: left handed slide playing, my (meager) opinion is to do it "right". > I tried to play french horn for a bit in the 9th grade because my junior > high didn't have any, and yes that meant left handed. I was thrilled to > go back to trombone 10 weeks later let me tell you, but *not* because of > the left handed nature. Trombone since the end of 4th grade was "me". It > really felt weird sitting in band holding and "playing" a french horn. > > David Oliver > > -------------------------------- > Frederick Fennell (renowned wind band conductor) will conduct the Denver > Concert Band at our next concert in February. Fennell started conducting > at the University of Rochester's Eastman School of Music in 1933 not too > long after arriving as a student. He later established the Eastman Wind > Ensemble in 1952. > In 1984, he became the first principal conductor of the Tokyo Kosei Wind > Orchestra, and is also the principal guest conductor of the Dallas Wind > Symphony. > > When: Saturday, February 16th, 2002 at 7:00 p.m. > > Where: Central Presbyterian Church, 1660 Sherman St., Denver CO, 80203 > (parking garage next door and lot across the street) > > Cost: $10 for adults, $5 for students and seniors > > I'm not sure of the final program, but it includes: > > "First Suite in Eb for Military Band", by Gustav Holst > "William Byrd Suite", by Gordon Jacob > "Russian Sailor's Dance", by Reinhold Gliere (trans. by E. Leidzen) > "Prayer and Dream Pantomime", by Engelbert Humperdinck (trans. by J. > Maddy) > "Florentiner March", by Julius Fucik (Arr. by M.L. Lake, Ed. by F. > Fennell) > "Elegy", by John Barnes Chance (yeah! - ok, so I'm a John Barnes Chance > nut) > "Symphonic Suite from FAR AND AWAY", by John Williams (Adap. by P. > Lavender) > "Fantasia in G Major", by J.S. Bach (trans. by R.F. Goldman & R. Leist) > > Frederick Fennell will also hold an open "question and answer" session > following a brief intermission. > > Please pass the word to friends or relatives who live in, or will be > visiting the Denver area. > Hope to see you there! > > David Oliver > Broomfield, Colorado USA > Trombone, Denver Concert Band > www.denverconcertband.org > > P.S. If you go to the website and click on the "concerts" link, I'm the > funny looking bass trombone player with the mustache, 6th from the > right. The picture was taken late last year, just prior to the "Fantasy" > concert, however the gorgeous organ pipes are cropped out of the top of > the website picture. > Del Pakiser (first part of "Pakover" TR-181 mod.) is sitting to my > right. Hope he doesn't mind... ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2274 Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 11:42:02 -0500 From: Craig Parmerlee To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Army Blues band Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20020119113846.01e5bb60@acticalc.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 11:24 AM 1/19/2002 -0500, David Buckley wrote: Any more recruits for my "Ban the Mics Society"? This and similar groups would sound about 5,000% better with no mics at all. I must confess I have a lot of trouble understanding the jazz mindset. Dave. Yes, definitely. They were playing in a nice auditorium that didn't need any amplification except for guitar, bass and solo mics on the high energy pieces. I do think there was a rumble in the stage itself, probably due to the risers, but that should have been easy to address. Count me in, Craig ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2274--