TROMBONE-L Digest 2269 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) RE: Left Handed Trombone by Steve Gamble 2) Re: Left Handed Trombone by Brad Howland 3) Re: Left Handed Trombone by Bob Beecher 4) RE: Left Handed Trombone by Steve Gamble 5) Re: Left Handed Trombone by Bob Beecher 6) Re: Left Hand by John & Mary 7) Re: Left Handed Trombone by "Daniel Pliskin" 8) Re: Left Handed Trombone by "Gary D. Maxwell" 9) Re: Left Handed Trombone by "Elisabeth Frederick" 10) FOR SALE: King 3B (3b PLUS Bell/3B Slide) Trombone by The Richards 11) RE: Left Handed Trombone by "Gary Greenhoe" 12) Re: Left Handed Trombone by Gabriel Langfur 13) Re: FOR SALE: King 3B (3b PLUS Bell/3B Slide) Trombone by daniel a noyes 14) RE: Wowsers!New use for Bolero by "Wessner, John" 15) future trombone site by "Dale J. Cruse" 16) Re: future trombone site by "Paul D. Kemp, Jr." 17) Re: Left Handed Trombone by Eric & Candice Swanson 18) Re: Slight vent session... by rjlapham@infinet.com (Jerry Lapham) 19) by "Rgandomkar" 20) Re: Left Handed Trombone by "Adrian Drover" 21) Re: Left Handed Trombone by "Adrian Drover" 22) Re: Left Handed Trombone by "Adrian Drover" 23) OTJ Classifieds Update - 1/14/2002 by Chris Waage 24) New gig for old trombonist by "Tom C. Shaddox" ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2269 Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 11:17:29 -0700 From: Steve Gamble To: "'timskinner@sympatico.ca'" , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: Left Handed Trombone Message-ID: <01C19C23.E49A7240.sgamble@tucsonsymphony.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It's simple. The kid doesn't know how to play the horn with either hand at this point. Might as well learn to play it the conventional way. I'm left handed. As far as I can tell, it does not seem to have been a disadvantage to use my right hand to work the slide. How many instruments out there are built to be played with one hand?...In the two minutes since I wrote that question, I couldn't think of any. Trombone players use both hands, too. This shouldn't even be an issue unless there's a handicap or something. And just think of all those poor unfortunate French horn players out there who are spending all that money on therapy because they were forced to play an instrument that is not only left handed but points the wrong direction! (I couldn't think of any, either.) Steve Gamble Librarian Tucson Symphony Orchestra 2175 N. 6th Ave. Tucson, AZ 85705 (520) 792-9155 x118 (520) 792-9314 fax sgamble@tucsonsymphony.org -----Original Message----- From: Tim Skinner [SMTP:timskinner@sympatico.ca] Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 6:08 PM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Left Handed Trombone << File: ATT00004.htm >> Hi all, I have just started teaching a beginning trombone player aged 11. He got the instrument for Christmas and between then and our first lesson, he began playing left handed. (ie with the slide turned to the left of the bell section) We talked about this and he says he would really prefer to play that way as he is left handed. This seems strange to me and I see trouble if he ever wishes to have an instrument with an F attachment as I am not aware of any that are factory made left handed. Are there other reasons to try hard to persuade him to play right handed or am I just being picky? Does anyone on the list play left handed? Is it possible to get instruments made this way? Basically, should I make him turn the horn around at our next lesson or is it normal for him to play left handed? Your usual wise insights into this matter are greatly appreciated!! Tim ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2269 Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 10:53:17 -0800 From: Brad Howland To: Tim Skinner , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Left Handed Trombone Message-ID: <006201c19c63$907d2320$a11a4118@gv.shawcable.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I played left-handed for the first eight years of my career, and here's a picture to prove it (don't laugh too hard)! http://www.musicforbrass.com/brad/images/thumba.jpg I did this because my father was left-handed and a trombone player. He held the trombone up with the left hand (the normal way), so I reasoned that I should reverse it. In my first year at university I needed a trombone with an F attachment and had to switch hands. As I recall, it was fairly easy to change, only taking 1-2 months before I was comfortable the other way. I have no idea whether it is better for a left-handed person to hold the horn up with the right or left hand. We need some scientific research done on this subject. I do know that lefties face a lot of social and cultural bias from society. There are so many little things right-handed people take for granted-it's hard for us to imagine all the little annoyances they put with. For example, have you ever seen a left-handed pair of scissors? I think that if this person can afford the expense of having a special trombone with reverse F attachment made when he needs it, then why not let him hold it in the right hand? One big down side is that this will effectively eliminate the used trombone market for him. If he can't afford having his horns custom-made, he should probably switch. Regards, Brad Howland --------------------------------------------------------------------- Trombone, Web Design, Income Tax, Brass Music "Specialization is for insects." ...Robert Heinlein E Mail: bhowland@shaw.ca Web Site: www.musicforbrass.com/ The Brass Tacks: www.musicforbrass.com/subTacks.html --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> I have just started teaching a beginning trombone player aged 11. He got the instrument for Christmas and between then and our first lesson, he began playing left handed. (ie with the slide turned to the left of the bell section) We talked about this and he says he would really prefer to play that way as he is left handed. This seems strange to me and I see trouble if he ever wishes to have an instrument with an F attachment as I am not aware of any that are factory made left handed. Are there other reasons to try hard to persuade him to play right handed or am I just being picky? Does anyone on the list play left handed? Is it possible to get instruments made this way? Basically, should I make him turn the horn around at our next lesson or is it normal for him to play left handed? Your usual wise insights into this matter are greatly appreciated!! << ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2269 Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 11:26:43 -0800 From: Bob Beecher To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu, Elisabeth Frederick Subject: Re: Left Handed Trombone Message-ID: <3C41DF73.9611551C@bobbeecher.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------019C28A43C340AB1D0E68FA0" From: "Elisabeth Frederick" Well, if you just joined the band in the Simpsons, you could play trombone like that. I am pretty sure that in all the episodes that they show a shot of the band, all the trombones are played 'backwards'. Liz Ya think so? Check out this little pic from "The Simpsons": http://bobbeecher.home.att.net/trombone/images/simpsons-bone.gif Bob (Music Editor on "The Simpsons") -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Beecher Music Editor for Film & Television email: me@BobBeecher.com Captain, USAF Aux, Civil Air Patrol http://BobBeecher.com VNY Sr Sqdn 128 / Yosemite 471 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2269 Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 12:27:11 -0700 From: Steve Gamble To: "'bhowland@shaw.ca'" , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: Left Handed Trombone Message-ID: <01C19C2D.A169A040.sgamble@tucsonsymphony.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Brad Howland wrote: For example, have you ever seen a left-handed pair of scissors? I have a pair. They are a little weird to use without practice. Which, in a sort of left-handed way, makes my point. We lefties just adapt to the right-handed world. Beginning trombonist, who are left handed, can too. Steve Gamble Librarian Tucson Symphony Orchestra 2175 N. 6th Ave. Tucson, AZ 85705 (520) 792-9155 x118 (520) 792-9314 fax sgamble@tucsonsymphony.org -----Original Message----- From: Brad Howland [SMTP:bhowland@shaw.ca] Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2002 11:53 AM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Re: Left Handed Trombone I played left-handed for the first eight years of my career, and here's a picture to prove it (don't laugh too hard)! http://www.musicforbrass.com/brad/images/thumba.jpg I did this because my father was left-handed and a trombone player. He held the trombone up with the left hand (the normal way), so I reasoned that I should reverse it. In my first year at university I needed a trombone with an F attachment and had to switch hands. As I recall, it was fairly easy to change, only taking 1-2 months before I was comfortable the other way. I have no idea whether it is better for a left-handed person to hold the horn up with the right or left hand. We need some scientific research done on this subject. I do know that lefties face a lot of social and cultural bias from society. There are so many little things right-handed people take for granted-it's hard for us to imagine all the little annoyances they put with. For example, have you ever seen a left-handed pair of scissors? I think that if this person can afford the expense of having a special trombone with reverse F attachment made when he needs it, then why not let him hold it in the right hand? One big down side is that this will effectively eliminate the used trombone market for him. If he can't afford having his horns custom-made, he should probably switch. Regards, Brad Howland --------------------------------------------------------------------- Trombone, Web Design, Income Tax, Brass Music "Specialization is for insects." ...Robert Heinlein E Mail: bhowland@shaw.ca Web Site: www.musicforbrass.com/ The Brass Tacks: www.musicforbrass.com/subTacks.html --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> I have just started teaching a beginning trombone player aged 11. He got the instrument for Christmas and between then and our first lesson, he began playing left handed. (ie with the slide turned to the left of the bell section) We talked about this and he says he would really prefer to play that way as he is left handed. This seems strange to me and I see trouble if he ever wishes to have an instrument with an F attachment as I am not aware of any that are factory made left handed. Are there other reasons to try hard to persuade him to play right handed or am I just being picky? Does anyone on the list play left handed? Is it possible to get instruments made this way? Basically, should I make him turn the horn around at our next lesson or is it normal for him to play left handed? Your usual wise insights into this matter are greatly appreciated!! << ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2269 Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 11:29:22 -0800 From: Bob Beecher To: Trombone List Subject: Re: Left Handed Trombone Message-ID: <3C41E011.EA5FCE1C@bobbeecher.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------BD882249CC9782B30BC1EAAB" How about a right fingered French Horn? Ever see one? All the best, Gary Maxwell Bass Trombone Bakersfield Symphony Orchestra Yeah! It's called a Mellophone! Bob -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Beecher Music Editor for Film & Television email: me@BobBeecher.com Captain, USAF Aux, Civil Air Patrol http://BobBeecher.com VNY Sr Sqdn 128 / Yosemite 471 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2269 Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 13:06:20 -0800 From: John & Mary To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Left Hand Message-ID: <3C41F6C5.55245A0E@teleport.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think Sabutin is right on the money here. I recently read an interview in which Sabutin spoke about using the infamous "einsetzen" embouchure in his former life. I had the same problem and worked very hard to find a more useful setup. I've come a long way but the exercises in his book "The American Trombone" have propelled me just that much further. There ARE certain ways to place the mouthpiece on the lips that make everything a lot easier. In my case, I needed to angle the horn down more than I've ever done in the past. This means less pressing on the upper lip and results in a clearer, more focused sound. In Claude Gordon's book "Brass Playing Is No Harder Than Deep Breathing" Claude compares playing a brass instrument to flying an airplane. A plane flies by lift, thrust, drag and gravity. When these forces are in balance the pilot can take his hands off of the controls and the plane will fly on its own. There is a similar balance to be found in playing a trombone. When the natural forces are in balance, playing becomes quite easy. When out of balance it's torture. For me, the position of the mouthpiece is crucial to achieving that balance and Sabutin's exercises help the player find his best place. For what it's worth, Claude also made quite a lot of the left hand's importance. He didn't tell me WHAT to do but he said that the left hand controls the horn and the player needs to be aware of what's going on and to master the movements. I think that's enough. John 1-The hand that holds the trombone is JUST as important as the one that holds the slide. This is the hand that controls how the horn meets the embouchure, and THAT'S where the real action is. Left OR right. Sam ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2269 Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 21:39:24 From: "Daniel Pliskin" To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Left Handed Trombone Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_9b2_4ea1_6da6"  I know they have left handed guitars but I'm not sure what other instruments are  offered that way. It's a very good question. Iâve played guitar for the last 49 years. Iâve never seen any reason why someone would want to learn to play left-handed. There are new things to learn for each hand, so why would it matter which hand does what? I suppose that same argument doesnât work with trombone, though. On the other hand (strange pun), you can develop muscle memory on either hand. So you might want to decide on which hand you use for the slide, based on whether you want your playing to be primarily controlled by your right brain or your left brain, whatever that means. DanP _________________________________________________________________ Join the worldâs largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com >From owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Sat, 12 Jan 2002 18:29:12 -0800 Received: from [128.206.12.137] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id MHotMailBE0A3BCA00A44004315680CE0C890A760; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 18:28:33 -0800 Received: from host (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by po.missouri.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g0D2SPS23762; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 20:28:25 -0600 Received: from sigma.ddci.net (sigma.ddci.net [199.34.64.192]) by po.missouri.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0D2SFS23707 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 20:28:15 -0600 Received: from ddci.net ([199.34.112.56]) by sigma.ddci.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g0D2TE915617; Sat, 12 Jan 2002 20:29:14 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <3C40F168.5B48B9EF@ddci.net> Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 20:31:04 -0600 Reply-To: bandboy089@ddci.net Sender: owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Precedence: bulk From: Matthew Woolly To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Left Handed Trombone References: <000001c19bce$ae4796a0$8c37e440@default36ezpf3> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-To: timskinner@sympatico.ca X-Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Tim, My dad is left handed and has always played right handed. He said his band director encouraged him to learn that way. He doesn't think it has been much of a problem because left handed folk are often somewhat ambidextrous any ways due to living in a right handed world. He said he does wonder if playing left handed would have been better but there is no way to know for sure. I know they have left handed guitars but I'm not sure what other instruments are offered that way. It's a very good question. Matthew Tim Skinner wrote: Hi all, I have just started teaching a beginning trombone player aged 11. He got the instrument for Christmas and between then and our first lesson, he began playing left handed. (ie with the slide turned to the left of the bell section) We talked about this and he says he would really prefer to play that way as he is left handed. This seems strange to me and I see trouble if he ever wishes to have an instrument with an F attachment as I am not aware of any that are factory made left handed.ÊAre there other reasons to try hard to persuade him to play right handed or am I just being picky? Does anyone on the list play left handed? Is it possible to get instruments made this way? Basically, should I make him turn the horn around at our next lesson or is it normal for him to play left handed? Your usual wise insights into this matter are greatly appreciated!! Tim ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2269 Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 14:20:15 -0800 From: "Gary D. Maxwell" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Left Handed Trombone Message-ID: <000c01c19c80$7c0da320$92525d3f@garymaxwell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01C19C3D.6BE396A0" No, no, no! The erstwhile Mellophone(ium) is a cylindrical bored "peck-horn" and is/was used to "kinda" add the F. Horn sound to a marching band. It is great for hanging on garage walls and planting Ivy in the bell. Or playing in a Stan Kenton Band of the 60's. (:>)) Gary Maxwell ====================== Yeah! It's called a Mellophone! Bob ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2269 Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 14:30:18 -0800 From: "Elisabeth Frederick" To: "Bob Beecher" , Subject: Re: Left Handed Trombone Message-ID: <001701c19c81$e23dcde0$7c72fb3f@d9h2z9> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0014_01C19C3E.D32F91A0" Thats a new one on me!! Thats probably the shot from the begining, with 'Lisa's' sax solo?? I have seen it least one... of the whole band with the trombones on the other side..... I'm not crazy!! ;^P I hope. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Beecher To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu ; Elisabeth Frederick Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2002 11:26 AM Subject: Re: Left Handed Trombone From: "Elisabeth Frederick" <eliztbone@nctimes.net> Well, if you just joined the band in the Simpsons, you could play trombone like that. I am pretty sure that in all the episodes that they show a shot of the band, all the trombones are played 'backwards'. Liz Ya think so? Check out this little pic from "The Simpsons": http://bobbeecher.home.att.net/trombone/images/simpsons-bone.gif Bob (Music Editor on "The Simpsons") -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bob Beecher Music Editor for Film & Television email: me@BobBeecher.com Captain, USAF Aux, Civil Air Patrol http://BobBeecher.com VNY Sr Sqdn 128 / Yosemite 471 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2269 Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 18:53:43 -0400 From: The Richards To: "ericrich@olg.com" Subject: FOR SALE: King 3B (3b PLUS Bell/3B Slide) Trombone Message-ID: <3C420FF2.C2F95F37@olg.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Greetings all and Happy New Year, I wanted to let you know that I have a King 3B Trombone FOR SALE. The package includes a gold brass 3B PLUS Bell (Model 2125) with a standard 3B .508 bore slide. PRICE: $US 550.00 INCLUDING SHIPPING to the Continental US. Details and pictures available upon request. Best wishes, Eric Richards ================== ERIC RICHARDS Composer - Arranger Trombone - MIDI For information on music for jazz ensemble: UNC (University of Northern Colorado) JAZZ PRESS: http://arts.unco.edu/uncjazz/jazzpress/composerlist.html WALRUS MUSIC PUBLISHING: http://www.walrusmusic.com/ ãItâs hard to be religious when certain people are never incinerated by bolts of lightning.ä Calvin (the cartoon character, not the Reformed theologian) ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2269 Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 18:54:49 -0600 From: "Gary Greenhoe" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: Left Handed Trombone Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Ok.. I will get into my second set of reasons why it is better to play trombone "right handed". When one is thinking of doing any future ensemble playing, I've found it very distracting to have an instrument being played backwards. Why? cause the bell is on the near side or far side of section mates and your whole auditory sense of balance is thrown off. One of the critical ingredients for balanced ensemble/section playing is the familiarity of sounds coming from your right or left. If one bell is closer significantly, it makes life more difficult for all in the section. As for right brain/left brain bs....just play the darned thing....I'm as much of a left handed freak as anyone, and there are many times when I like to flaunt my good fortune...but this trombone thing is not one of them. If one plans on being a soloist, jazzer, or whatever that doesn't require teamwork with a section,,,,play the horn upside down for all I care. ;-) BTW, I can make left-handed valves! Regards, Gary -----Original Message----- From: owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu [mailto:owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu]On Behalf Of Daniel Pliskin Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2002 9:39 PM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Re: Left Handed Trombone  I know they have left handed guitars but I'm not sure what other instruments are  offered that way. It's a very good question. Iâve played guitar for the last 49 years. Iâve never seen any reason why someone would want to learn to play left-handed. There are new things to learn for each hand, so why would it matter which hand does what? I suppose that same argument doesnât work with trombone, though. On the other hand (strange pun), you can develop muscle memory on either hand. So you might want to decide on which hand you use for the slide, based on whether you want your playing to be primarily controlled by your right brain or your left brain, whatever that means. DanP _________________________________________________________________ Join the worldâs largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2269 Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 17:22:56 -0800 (PST) From: Gabriel Langfur To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Left Handed Trombone Message-ID: <20020114012256.93240.qmail@web10306.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- "Gary D. Maxwell" wrote: > When was > the last time you > saw a fiddle being fingered with the right hand? One of the world's leading baroque violinists, Reinhard Goebel, plays backwards. He developed focal dystonia or something, stopped playing for a while, then decided to learn the other way. Now he plays just as well as before. > > I did, however, once have a trumpeter who came to band > fingering with the > left hand, because he had broken his right arm a year > before and refused to > stop playing until it healed. It was rather hard for him > to convert back to > using the right hand, but he was a determined little guy. I have a trumpet player friend (I can still subscribe to the list, right?) who often practices his Vizzuti scale exercises left-handed. He says going through the process of trying to do that makes his normal right-handed playing easier and better coordinated. He's a little crazy, but I believe him. I know another trumpet player (uh oh...now I'm in trouble) who struggled with his valve technique for years until he was diagnosed with a nerve disorder that affected the coordination of the fingers of his right hand. He switched around and, after the adjustment, was extremely happy with the results. > > How about a right fingered French Horn? Ever see one? Yes. I once knew a horn player without a left hand. She had a prosthetic shaped in the typical (right-hand) inside-the-bell horn position - and a customized horn with the valve levers installed upside down. People told me it was difficult playing in a section with her, for the reasons described by Gary. No matter what part she played, they sat her in the assistant principal position. Anybody have anything wierder? Gabe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2269 Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 20:45:04 -0500 From: daniel a noyes To: ericrich@olg.com Cc: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: FOR SALE: King 3B (3b PLUS Bell/3B Slide) Trombone Message-ID: <20020113.204504.-276819.0.danoyes@juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Eric, Would you mind sending me some pictures. Alos what's the plus indicate on the 3B+? What's the vintage approximately. Condition details? Thanks, Dan On Sun, 13 Jan 2002 18:53:43 -0400 The Richards writes: > Greetings all and Happy New Year, > > I wanted to let you know that I have a King 3B Trombone FOR SALE. > The package > includes a gold brass 3B PLUS Bell (Model 2125) with a standard 3B > .508 bore slide. > > PRICE: $US 550.00 INCLUDING SHIPPING to the Continental US. > > Details and pictures available upon request. > > Best wishes, > Eric Richards > > ================== > ERIC RICHARDS > Composer - Arranger > Trombone - MIDI > > For information on music for jazz ensemble: > > UNC (University of Northern Colorado) JAZZ PRESS: > http://arts.unco.edu/uncjazz/jazzpress/composerlist.html > > WALRUS MUSIC PUBLISHING: > http://www.walrusmusic.com/ > > ãItâs hard to be religious when certain people are never incinerated > by bolts of > lightning.ä > Calvin (the cartoon character, not the Reformed theologian) > > > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2269 Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 21:19:04 -0500 From: "Wessner, John" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: Wowsers!New use for Bolero Message-ID: content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I'm a little confused, but back in the 50s, when all we thought about was sex, I was led to believe that Bolero was entirely related to this particular act - a tone poem of sorts. Perhaps we're missing some inside joke involved in his having to start over (and over and over and.....). With all due respect to Adrian, we are certainly missing something if we're still involved in the music at the trombone entrance. jw -----Original Message----- From: Adrian Drover [mailto:slide.rule@adios.co.uk] Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2002 5:14 AM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Re: Wowsers!New use for Bolero From: > Last nite January 11, 2002 cable television carried a movie of Dudley Moore > in which he and a lady shared a bedroom scene. This brought out a new use > for Ravel's Bolero.... Every few minutes the lady would request Dudley to > get out of bed and start the record over again so Bolero could be repeated..I > do not think that it ever went through the orchestra far enough to get to the > trombone part. You can't shag to the trombone entry. By the time they come in, you are so involved in listening to the music that you forget what you were doing. Adrian ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2269 Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 21:48:26 -0500 From: "Dale J. Cruse" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: future trombone site Message-ID: <01ac01c19ca5$f1489fd0$70d92444@union1.nj.home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01A9_01C19C7C.07F09690" Greetings all. Some of you may know that I am a full-time web designer and coder. I'd like to gather some responses from the group as sort of market research forÊa project I have in mind that will directly affect all of you. There are currently several trombone-related websites online that provide some really valuable information. The question I propose to this group is: What features of these various sites do you find most valuable? Player biographies? Scholarly articles? Gig openings? Links to purchase recorded and/or sheet music? Multimedia in the form of audio and/or video samples of trombone players? Classified ads? Discussion boards? Something else? The items I'm most focused on are items that aren't already available elsewhere. What if you had the ability to view one page or site that would link you to the freshest content available from all the other major trombone-related sites - sort of a "trombone portal?" Would you use it? I hope so and that's the type of thing I'm already developing. At the outset, I envision it as what's known as a weblog - or "blog." There are lots of great blogs online these days - one excellent one can be found at: http://www.littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/weblog.php The focus of that one is the international war on terrorism. You'll notice links to top, very current news stories from around the world, with the freshest information at the top for quickly finding updates. Other blogs are more personal, like: http://www.wilwheaton.net - which is the home of actor Wil Wheaton ("Ensign Wesley Crusher" of "Star Trek: The Next Generation" TV fame). The blog I'm creating isn't personal so much as community-based. If a site like that was available and aimed directly at our community, how welcome would that be and what other elements would you find useful? I would prefer responses to the group in order to stimulate further discussion, but feel free to email me off-list if you prefer. I look forward to your responses. Dale J. Cruse dale@dalecruse.com http://www.dalecruse.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2269 Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 21:55:34 -0500 From: "Paul D. Kemp, Jr." To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: future trombone site Message-ID: <008501c19ca6$f0d8f8a0$f85a4d0c@trbnplyr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0082_01C19C7D.0737B160" Dale, This sounds like a very good resource, and I really like the new look on Doug Yeo's website--VERY clean.ÊI wishÊI could afford you. Great ideas--go for it. Paul D. Kemp Jr. Chattanooga Symphony www.trbnplyr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Dale J. Cruse To: Trombones and related issues forum. Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2002 9:48 PM Subject: future trombone site Greetings all. Some of you may know that I am a full-time web designer and coder. I'd like to gather some responses from the group as sort of market research forÊa project I have in mind that will directly affect all of you. There are currently several trombone-related websites online that provide some really valuable information. The question I propose to this group is: What features of these various sites do you find most valuable? Player biographies? Scholarly articles? Gig openings? Links to purchase recorded and/or sheet music? Multimedia in the form of audio and/or video samples of trombone players? Classified ads? Discussion boards? Something else? The items I'm most focused on are items that aren't already available elsewhere. What if you had the ability to view one page or site that would link you to the freshest content available from all the other major trombone-related sites - sort of a "trombone portal?" Would you use it? I hope so and that's the type of thing I'm already developing. At the outset, I envision it as what's known as a weblog - or "blog." There are lots of great blogs online these days - one excellent one can be found at: http://www.littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/weblog.php The focus of that one is the international war on terrorism. You'll notice links to top, very current news stories from around the world, with the freshest information at the top for quickly finding updates. Other blogs are more personal, like: http://www.wilwheaton.net - which is the home of actor Wil Wheaton ("Ensign Wesley Crusher" of "Star Trek: The Next Generation" TV fame). The blog I'm creating isn't personal so much as community-based. If a site like that was available and aimed directly at our community, how welcome would that be and what other elements would you find useful? I would prefer responses to the group in order to stimulate further discussion, but feel free to email me off-list if you prefer. I look forward to your responses. Dale J. Cruse dale@dalecruse.com http://www.dalecruse.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2269 Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 21:50:11 -0500 From: Eric & Candice Swanson Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Left Handed Trombone Message-ID: <3C424764.5CA51FF9@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tim Skinner wrote: > I have just started teaching a beginning trombone player aged 11. He got the instrument for Christmas and between > then and our first lesson, he began playing > left handed. We talked about this and he says he would really > prefer to play that way as he is left handed. > This seems strange to me and I see trouble if he ever wishes to have an instrument with an F attachment as I am > not aware of any that are factory made left > handed. Are there other reasons to try hard to persuade him to play right handed or am I just being picky? > > > Tim, If he ever gets an F attachment horn, and most of them do eventually, he will be in for big problems. Since he is just starting, have him switch now before he gets too accustomed to playing left handed. It will cost him several hundred dollars to have a horn custom made left handed, and many models of trombone will not be convertible to left handed due to the configuration of the valve ports. I know two left handed players in Dallas, and sitting next to them is very unusual. Most of the guys prefer not to sit next to them. If they are on your left, your bells are right next to each other. If they are on your right, you bump elbows, at least in tight quarters. Eric Swanson ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2269 Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 22:54:53 -0500 From: rjlapham@infinet.com (Jerry Lapham) To: Subject: Re: Slight vent session... Message-ID: <200201140450.g0E4oe8B069903@mail4.mx.voyager.net> > Then From: "Gabriel Langfur> Yes, but so what? Why shouldn't your work > be something you love to do? > > Why should it? I am paid to do work. If they stop paying me, I won't > come in and do it anymore. I suppose this is why it is called work and > why they have to pay us to get it done. The definition of a true professional: you do it for money. :-) -Jerry -- ============================================================ Jerry Lapham, Monroe, OH E-Mail: rjlapham@infinet.com Written Sunday, January 13, 2002 - 10:54 PM (EST) ============================================================ MR/2 Ice tag: Freeware: If it breaks you get to keep both pieces. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2269 Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 12:16:47 +0330 From: "Rgandomkar" To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Message-ID: unsbscribe ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2269 Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 09:33:34 -0000 From: "Adrian Drover" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Left Handed Trombone Message-ID: <003c01c19cde$b252ad00$1f8268d5@homedmpbgvaomg> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0037_01C19CDE.8930BCF0" From: Bob Beecher From Gary Maxwell How about a right fingered French Horn? Ever see one? Yeah! It's called a Mellophone! Would that be "Le mellophone" or "La mellophone"? Adrian ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2269 Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 10:01:54 -0000 From: "Adrian Drover" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Left Handed Trombone Message-ID: <00a301c19ce2$a2c7f580$1f8268d5@homedmpbgvaomg> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Daniel Pliskin" > There are new things to > learn for each hand, so why would it matter which hand does what? Well, in the case of playing the trombone, it would make a great deal of difference in whether the guy sitting in front of you gets decapitated or not. Adrian ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2269 Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 10:02:18 -0000 From: "Adrian Drover" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Left Handed Trombone Message-ID: <00a401c19ce2$a6538d40$1f8268d5@homedmpbgvaomg> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Gary Greenhoe" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When one is thinking of doing any future ensemble playing, I've found it very distracting to have an instrument being played backwards. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, and the guy who's dumb enough to have his chair the wrong way round can't see the conductor either. Adrian ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2269 Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 07:18:29 -0600 From: Chris Waage To: Trombone-L , Brass@lists.fsu.edu Subject: OTJ Classifieds Update - 1/14/2002 Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" The Online Trombone Journal Classifieds (http://www.trombone.org/classifieds) have been updated as of 7:14 AM on January 14, 2001 with 23 new ads. - - - - - Thank you for using the OTJ Classifieds! - - - - - OTJ Instrument Classifieds http://www.trombone.org/classifieds/instruments.asp OTJ Accessory Classifieds http://www.trombone.org/classifieds/accessories.asp OTJ Music Classifieds http://www.trombone.org/classifieds/music.asp OTJ Classifieds Frequently Asked Questions http://www.trombone.org/classifieds/faq.asp To place an ad: http://www.trombone.org/classifieds/adform.asp OTJ Gift Shoppe: http://www.cafepress.com/cp/store/store.aspx?storeid=trombones If you have any questions or comments about the Online Trombone Journal Classifieds, please contact me at chris@trombone.org. Chris -- ________________________________________________ Chris Waage, Associate Webmaster chris@trombone.org http://www.trombone.org - A web site for trombonists ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2269 Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 08:57:09 -0600 From: "Tom C. Shaddox" To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: New gig for old trombonist Message-ID: <3C42F1C5.ADB66C61@fnc.fujitsu.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit W. A. Criswell passed away last Thursday. For the many of you to whom that name is unfamiliar, W. A. Criswell was for forty six years the pastor of First Baptist Church, Dallas, Texas. For much of that time, that church was the largest congregation of what the press describes as the largest protestant denomination in America. (As a Southern Baptist myself, I could make an entertaining argument that we are neither protestants nor, in the strict sense, a denomination. But I digress.) W. A. Criswell was a trombonist. He joined the school band in Amarillo, Texas, and later played trombone at Baylor University. He was also one of the last to have once played trombone under the baton of John Philip Sousa. The Sousa Band's 1922 tour stopped in Amarillo, and Mr. Sousa (a strong supporter of music education in public schools) held a clinic with the school band. My personal belief is that there isn't much call for preaching in the great beyond, and it pleases me to think that Brother Criswell has something to fall back on. W.A. Criswell, 1909-2002. Tom Shaddox ljshaddo@gte.net ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2269--