TROMBONE-L Digest 2268 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Wowsers!New use for Bolero by "Dr. Carole Nowicke, Applied Health Science" 2) RE: Wowsers!New use for Bolero by "Dennis Clason" 3) RE: Wowsers!New use for Bolero by "Dr. Carole Nowicke, Applied Health Science" 4) Items for sale by "Rod Ellard" 5) Left Handed Trombone by "Tim Skinner" 6) Re: Left Handed Trombone by "Billy Cordova" 7) Texas All-State by MasterCoda@aol.com 8) Re: Left Handed Trombone by Matthew Woolly 9) Re: Texas All-State by Marti Kristine Rankin 10) Re: Texas All-State by "Weston Sprott" 11) Re: Texas All-State by "David Pozos" 12) RE: Left Handed Trombone by "Gary Greenhoe" 13) Re: Left Handed Trombone by "Adrian Drover" 14) Re: Wowsers!New use for Bolero by "Adrian Drover" 15) Fw: left-handed trombone by "Charles Levine" 16) Re: Left handed trombone by sabutin 17) Re: Left handed trombone by "Richard Johnson" 18) Re: Left Handed Trombone by Michael Mclemore 19) Friend looking for 3B slide by Wayne Dyess 20) Alessi performance and Master Class by Mearl Danner 21) Re: Glenn Miller's bone by Gary Sloane 22) Re: Left Handed Trombone by "Elisabeth Frederick" 23) Re: Left Handed Trombone by "Gary D. Maxwell" ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2268 Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 13:34:59 -0500 (EST) From: "Dr. Carole Nowicke, Applied Health Science" To: BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Wowsers!New use for Bolero Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 12 Jan 2002 BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com wrote: > for Ravel's Bolero.... Every few minutes the lady would request Dudley to > get out of bed and start the record over again so Bolero could be repeated..I > do not think that it ever went through the orchestra far enough to get to the > trombone part. Well Beldon, I think you and the missus should give that a whirl, although I'd suggest you use the CD player with remote control so's you don't have to hop out of bed, Indiana not being all that warm in winter. Of course your wife would be go happy to go along with the corn rows, hair extensions and beads... Carole "Mrs. Wade is going to whack me upside the head" Nowicke cnowicke@indiana.edu ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2268 Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 12:15:17 -0700 From: "Dennis Clason" To: "Dr. Carole Nowicke, Applied Health Science" , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: Wowsers!New use for Bolero Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ten points to Carole ... And a recommendation for Scriabin's Poeme d'Ecstase, next time. Dennis > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu > [mailto:owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu]On Behalf Of Dr. Carole > Nowicke, Applied Health Science > Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 11:35 AM > To: Trombones and related issues forum. > Subject: Re: Wowsers!New use for Bolero > > > On Sat, 12 Jan 2002 BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com wrote: > > > for Ravel's Bolero.... Every few minutes the lady would > request Dudley to > > get out of bed and start the record over again so Bolero could > be repeated..I > > do not think that it ever went through the orchestra far enough > to get to the > > trombone part. > > Well Beldon, I think you and the missus should give that a whirl, although > I'd suggest you use the CD player with remote control so's you don't have > to hop out of bed, Indiana not being all that warm in winter. Of course > your wife would be go happy to go along with the corn rows, hair > extensions and beads... > > Carole "Mrs. Wade is going to whack me upside the head" Nowicke > cnowicke@indiana.edu > > > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2268 Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 15:13:24 -0500 (EST) From: "Dr. Carole Nowicke, Applied Health Science" To: Dennis Clason Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: Wowsers!New use for Bolero Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 12 Jan 2002, Dennis Clason wrote: > And a recommendation for Scriabin's Poeme d'Ecstase, next time. > I remember back in the '70's a classmate at Ball State recommended that selection to her brother, who was in seach of better make-out music from the usual pop fare (he must have had an 8 track in the Torino). Brother reported that he found that "Screwyabin" was pretty good stuff "to listen to, too," and might she suggest a course of listening for him so that he could learn more about music? It's really touching when siblings ask for your advice. Carole Nowicke cnowicke@indiana.edu ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2268 Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 15:38:56 -0800 From: "Rod Ellard" To: "Trombone List" Subject: Items for sale Message-ID: <000501c19bc2$50b22f20$86e294d1@ellard> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A couple of items for sale: 1. Large shank Bach 6 1/2 A - in almost new condition - $20 + shipping 2. Aharoni's "New Method for the Modern Bass Trombone" (4th ed'n) - in new condition. $20.00 ($36.95 at Hickey's) + shipping Rod Ellard ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2268 Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 20:07:31 -0500 From: "Tim Skinner" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Left Handed Trombone Message-ID: <000001c19bce$ae4796a0$8c37e440@default36ezpf3> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01C19BA4.C5718EA0" Hi all, I have just started teaching a beginning trombone player aged 11. He got the instrument for Christmas and between then and our first lesson, he began playing left handed. (ie with the slide turned to the left of the bell section) We talked about this and he says he would really prefer to play that way as he is left handed. This seems strange to me and I see trouble if he ever wishes to have an instrument with an F attachment as I am not aware of any that are factory made left handed. ÊAre there other reasons to try hard to persuade him to play right handed or am I just being picky? Does anyone on the list play left handed? Is it possible to get instruments made this way? Basically, should I make him turn the horn around at our next lesson or is it normal for him to play left handed? Your usual wise insights into this matter are greatly appreciated!! Tim ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2268 Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 20:03:32 -0600 From: "Billy Cordova" To: Cc: "Trombone-L" Subject: Re: Left Handed Trombone Message-ID: <005801c19bd6$823061c0$34294c42@coxinternet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tim, Check out the OTJ Forum (trombone.org/forum). There have been several debates about playing left-handed, the latest seeming to have wound down just a couple of days ago. The general consensus seems to be that unless he plans to be part of a marching band there is no reason to discourage playing left-handed. In fact, one player suggested that everyone learning to play left-handed might be a good idea, since you could change hands if your left arm got tired of supporting all that weight. Also, the f-attachment argument was seen as only a minor inconvenience, since the f-attachment could be easily converted by a competent instrument technician or be custom built at the factory for a slight sum. Billy Cordova OTJ Forum Administrator I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it - Voltaire St. Cecelia, pray for us. ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim Skinner To: Trombones and related issues forum. Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 7:07 PM Subject: Left Handed Trombone Hi all, I have just started teaching a beginning trombone player aged 11. He got the instrument for Christmas and between then and our first lesson, he began playing left handed. (ie with the slide turned to the left of the bell section) We talked about this and he says he would really prefer to play that way as he is left handed. This seems strange to me and I see trouble if he ever wishes to have an instrument with an F attachment as I am not aware of any that are factory made left handed. Are there other reasons to try hard to persuade him to play right handed or am I just being picky? Does anyone on the list play left handed? Is it possible to get instruments made this way? Basically, should I make him turn the horn around at our next lesson or is it normal for him to play left handed? Your usual wise insights into this matter are greatly appreciated!! Tim ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2268 Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 21:27:08 EST From: MasterCoda@aol.com To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Texas All-State Message-ID: <147.7c22f02.29724a7c@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_147.7c22f02.29724a7c_boundary" Hi all, I just got back from the area phase of the All-State auditions in San Antonio and placed 2nd in the Houston/San Antonio Area. So I finally made All-State, and I'm really excited! I was wondering what I should do/expect next, and how I could get my name out to colleges. I'm a high school junior in Houston, and am also looking to start taking lessons with someone who will really kick my butt and help me prepare for college and beyond. I look foward to meeting some of you all at the TMEA convention next month! -Peter Strenkowski ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2268 Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 20:31:04 -0600 From: Matthew Woolly To: timskinner@sympatico.ca Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Left Handed Trombone Message-ID: <3C40F168.5B48B9EF@ddci.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tim, My dad is left handed and has always played right handed. He said his band director encouraged him to learn that way. He doesn't think it has been much of a problem because left handed folk are often somewhat ambidextrous any ways due to living in a right handed world. He said he does wonder if playing left handed would have been better but there is no way to know for sure. I know they have left handed guitars but I'm not sure what other instruments are offered that way. It's a very good question. Matthew Tim Skinner wrote: Hi all, I have just started teaching a beginning trombone player aged 11. He got the instrument for Christmas and between then and our first lesson, he began playing left handed. (ie with the slide turned to the left of the bell section) We talked about this and he says he would really prefer to play that way as he is left handed. This seems strange to me and I see trouble if he ever wishes to have an instrument with an F attachment as I am not aware of any that are factory made left handed.ÊAre there other reasons to try hard to persuade him to play right handed or am I just being picky? Does anyone on the list play left handed? Is it possible to get instruments made this way? Basically, should I make him turn the horn around at our next lesson or is it normal for him to play left handed? Your usual wise insights into this matter are greatly appreciated!! Tim ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2268 Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 21:04:10 -0600 (CST) From: Marti Kristine Rankin To: Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Texas All-State Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Call Mike Warny at the University of Houston. He will literally kick your butt! He is very straightforward...he knows what he's doing and he won't gloss things over for you. As for schools, you have to get accepted to the actual university before you can formally be accepted to their school of music, so keep your grades up and do well on your SAT. Apply early to the schools you like, make sure you know their audition dates and have your stuff turned in on time. You might even consider taking a lesson or two with the teachers at the schools you like if that is possible. I would actually advise you to try that before you go to TMEA, since they can give you insight on the music that you are now working on for the chair and band/orchestra placements at convention. Anyway, congrats on All-State! It is something to be very proud of, but don't let it get to your head...keep on practicing! Best of luck, Marti (first ever FEMALE senior trombone recital at UH, woo hoo!) "I drank what?" - Socrates On Sat, 12 Jan 2002 MasterCoda@aol.com wrote: > Hi all, I just got back from the area phase of the All-State auditions in San > Antonio and placed 2nd in the Houston/San Antonio Area. So I finally made > All-State, and I'm really excited! I was wondering what I should do/expect > next, and how I could get my name out to colleges. I'm a high school junior > in Houston, and am also looking to start taking lessons with someone who will > really kick my butt and help me prepare for college and beyond. I look foward > to meeting some of you all at the TMEA convention next month! > -Peter Strenkowski > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2268 Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 23:49:11 -0600 From: "Weston Sprott" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Texas All-State Message-ID: <001a01c19bf6$06ac4da0$55699f95@read.indiana.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I would definitely have to second Marti's suggestion. Studying with Michael Warny will definitely be a step in the right direction. I have been great friends and a student of him for a few years now, and the study with him has paid great dividends. Mr. Warny will beat you into shape on fundamentals and let you know where you stand. Good luck, and congrats on making all-state. I remember my days at Texas All-State....good times. You'll have a lot of fun. Weston Sprott Indiana University wsprott@indiana.edu 812-857-7110 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marti Kristine Rankin" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 9:04 PM Subject: Re: Texas All-State > > Call Mike Warny at the University of Houston. He will literally kick your > butt! He is very straightforward...he knows what he's doing and he won't > gloss things over for you. > > As for schools, you have to get accepted to the actual university before > you can formally be accepted to their school of music, so keep your grades > up and do well on your SAT. Apply early to the schools you like, make > sure you know their audition dates and have your stuff turned in on time. > You might even consider taking a lesson or two with the teachers at the > schools you like if that is possible. I would actually advise you to try > that before you go to TMEA, since they can give you insight on the music > that you are now working on for the chair and band/orchestra placements at > convention. > > Anyway, congrats on All-State! It is something to be very proud of, but > don't let it get to your head...keep on practicing! > > Best of luck, > > Marti > (first ever FEMALE senior trombone recital at UH, woo hoo!) > > "I drank what?" - Socrates > > On Sat, 12 Jan 2002 MasterCoda@aol.com wrote: > > > Hi all, I just got back from the area phase of the All-State auditions in San > > Antonio and placed 2nd in the Houston/San Antonio Area. So I finally made > > All-State, and I'm really excited! I was wondering what I should do/expect > > next, and how I could get my name out to colleges. I'm a high school junior > > in Houston, and am also looking to start taking lessons with someone who will > > really kick my butt and help me prepare for college and beyond. I look foward > > to meeting some of you all at the TMEA convention next month! > > -Peter Strenkowski > > > > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2268 Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 22:47:09 -0600 From: "David Pozos" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Texas All-State Message-ID: <001801c19bed$5c1acfe0$4bc2180a@xal.megared.net.mx> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0015_01C19BBB.115ECE20" When I made All-State back in... I made first chair because I studied the orchestral parts not the orchestral excerpts. The other guys were all from the sameÊschool (wow) but they knew only the orch excerpts. I had studied the parts and when I got to the convention they made everybody play from the orch part. The other dudes were stumped because the orch part is in alto clef and the excerpts are in tenor clef. We were all about the same level but that made all the difference. Just a hint in case this applies. Good luck! I«m from San Antonio. David Pozos Primer Tromb—n Orquesta Sinf—nica de Xalapa www.sinfonicadexalapa.com ----- Mensaje original ----- De: MasterCoda@aol.com Para: Trombones and related issues forum. Enviado: S‡bado, 12 de Enero de 2002 08:27 p.m. Asunto: Texas All-State Hi all, I just got back from the area phase of the All-State auditions in San Antonio and placed 2nd in the Houston/San Antonio Area. So I finally made All-State, and I'm really excited! I was wondering what I should do/expect next, and how I could get my name out to colleges. I'm a high school junior in Houston, and am also looking to start taking lessons with someone who will really kick my butt and help me prepare for college and beyond. I look foward to meeting some of you all at the TMEA convention next month! -Peter Strenkowski ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2268 Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 23:52:08 -0600 From: "Gary Greenhoe" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: Left Handed Trombone Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Tim, I am a serious leftie and I have played trombone since I was 5. (that's 51 years) I have a different feeling about this subject from most, as I feel that holding the instrument with the left hand is, in fact, a left handed configuration. There is absolutely no handicap using my right hand to manuver the slide. What do I recommend? Have him switch back to the (so-called) right handed configuration and tell him he will go blind if he uses it the other way. I mean....if I'm left handed, is it ok if I drive on the left side of the road? Or should I move to the UK. He will receive much less grief playing right handed and if he continues to play through life, there will be no problems with re-configuring horns. On this issue, I feel very strongly. Unless someone has a disability, I strongly encourage students to play it as it comes. Regards, Gary -----Original Message----- From: owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu [mailto:owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu]On Behalf Of Tim Skinner Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 7:08 PM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Left Handed Trombone Hi all, I have just started teaching a beginning trombone player aged 11. He got the instrument for Christmas and between then and our first lesson, he began playing left handed. (ie with the slide turned to the left of the bell section) We talked about this and he says he would really prefer to play that way as he is left handed. This seems strange to me and I see trouble if he ever wishes to have an instrument with an F attachment as I am not aware of any that are factory made left handed. Are there other reasons to try hard to persuade him to play right handed or am I just being picky? Does anyone on the list play left handed? Is it possible to get instruments made this way? Basically, should I make him turn the horn around at our next lesson or is it normal for him to play left handed? Your usual wise insights into this matter are greatly appreciated!! Tim ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2268 Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 10:11:22 -0000 From: "Adrian Drover" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Left Handed Trombone Message-ID: <00ad01c19c1b$b05dc570$cc8069d5@homedmpbgvaomg> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Gary Greenhoe" > I mean....if I'm left handed, is it ok if I drive on the left side of the > road? Or should I move to the UK. I certainly wouldn't recommend it in the USA, tho' after seeing some American police videos on TV the other day, it seems that anything goes. OK, let's get back to left handed players. My brother is left handed, but he plays a regular trumpet the regular way. Well, why not? French horn players operate their valves with the left hand. Are they all left handed? I think not. A pianist needs to be just as dextrous with the left hand as with the right. Likewise, a classical guitarist or harpist. In fact, a rock/pop guitarist needs to be more dextrous in the left hand than in the right. Left handed instruments? I suppose you could call the French horn a left handed instrument, tho' this is not exactly true as valves were only added as an after thought. All the work was originally done with the right hand inside the bell, for adjusting the pitch of certain harmonics. One of the Beatles used to play a "mirror image" guitar, can't remember which, but it looked rather ridiculous on stage. The straight trombone is easily interchangeable, but I'm sure it would look equally ridiculous played left handed. It will feel strange for Tim's student to move the slide with the right hand at first, but I'm sure it won't take any longer to get used to the feel of a right handed trombone than it will to learn the positions and find an embouchure. Adrian ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2268 Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 10:14:10 -0000 From: "Adrian Drover" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Wowsers!New use for Bolero Message-ID: <00ae01c19c1b$b2962940$cc8069d5@homedmpbgvaomg> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: > Last nite January 11, 2002 cable television carried a movie of Dudley Moore > in which he and a lady shared a bedroom scene. This brought out a new use > for Ravel's Bolero.... Every few minutes the lady would request Dudley to > get out of bed and start the record over again so Bolero could be repeated..I > do not think that it ever went through the orchestra far enough to get to the > trombone part. You can't shag to the trombone entry. By the time they come in, you are so involved in listening to the music that you forget what you were doing. Adrian ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2268 Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 04:36:19 -0600 From: "Charles Levine" To: "tlist" Subject: Fw: left-handed trombone Message-ID: <002101c19c1e$23e2c2a0$d6b01ad1@D7493111> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001E_01C19BEB.D884DB90" ----- Original Message ----- From: Charles Levine To: tlist Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2002 1:56 AM Subject: left-handed trombone Trumpet and trombone (triggers excluded) are the only instruments I know of where the left hand really does nothing. Certainly, on trombone, the slide isÊthe medium forÊyour technique, phrasing, articulating and (with your tone) your expressive medium. Why then should all of this be delegated to yourÊlesser hand (right handÊ, for a left-hander)Êwhile your stronger hand is basically only holding the instrument? I am left handed, but I playÊright handed andÊI'd like to think that myÊmediocre playing would be less mediocre if I played left handed. (I doubt it)ÊÊÊÊ ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2268 Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 08:47:13 -0500 From: sabutin To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Left handed trombone Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1201192852==_ma============" A little off to the left of this thing as it's appeared on the list so far... 1-The hand that holds the trombone is JUST as important as the one that holds the slide. This is the hand that controls how the horn meets the embouchure, and THAT'S where the real action is. Left OR right. I mean, when you get right down to it, most trombonists don't have much in the way of a slide technique anyway, nor does 95% of the music we play REQUIRE much. But for long tones, changing registers, the stresses on the embouchure that rapid slide movements DO make...especially rapid slide movements coupled w/an awkward slide technique...the left hand is the suspension system for the trombone vehicle, has an amazingly complex job to do, and must do that job w/consistent strength and endurance. This is going to be one too many metaphors, but it's early in the day, my coffee hasn't really kicked in yet, and I watched some football last night, so here goes...the left hand, arm and shoulder are the interior linemen of this particular team. No glory, no recognition, often lots of pain, but absolutely indispensable to its success. In my teaching I often emphasize m'pce buzzing as the very first thing a student should examine, and not just because (or even PRIMARILY because) it's "good" to be able to buzz the pitches you play. The first and by far most important information m'pce buzzing will give you (if you are careful to find out what the natural angles your embouchure and m'pce wish to assume w/out the interference of the horn and then transfer them back to the way you play) is the proper angles to hold the instrument for peak efficiency from your embouchure. These angles are often...I would go so far as to say almost always...not the ones that are most "comfortable" for the left hand. The horn pulls down + to the left (for a right handed player) due to its asymmetricality, and this almost always results in an embouchure that is slightly deformed from what it would be w/out that particular set of stresses. It's the job of the left hand + arm to resist that pull, to hold the horn at the angles that will be most efficacious for the job at hand. 2-One of the first breakthroughs I ever made on the horn came one day when I was goofing around and started playing left handed. I suddenly sounded "better". My first thought was that I was just hearing the horn from another angle, another ear, but it soon became evident that I was PLAYING the horn better too...much more flexibility, more range, better attack, cleaner tonguing. Why? (And this was well before Jimmy Maxwell showed me how to m'pce buzz and then relate it to the horn). Because holding the horn in my right hand broke the years of habit that had I developed as a right handed player and allowed my EMBOUCHURE to more clearly dictate where I put the m'pce on my face. On w/the day... Sam ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2268 Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 07:58:39 -0600 From: "Richard Johnson" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Left handed trombone Message-ID: <002801c19c3a$678fd440$567d89ac@zemry> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0025_01C19C08.1C99D6C0" I really don't see any disadvantages to playing the trombne with the left hand. I'm a natural left-hander and I play with my right hand. I wonder sometimes ..would I be a better player if I were using my dominant hand. By the way, Sam...I watrched football last night too. I was pulling for the Jets to win, primarily because my first cousin, Marcus Coleman, plays cornerback for them. Last night was not one of his better nights....Jerry Rice gave him a hard time.....as he has given countless cornerbacks throuout his career. Oh well, sometimes you get the bear and sometimes the bear gets you! ****************************************************************************** Richard Zemry Johnson, Jr.ÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊ "The Untouchables" Jazz Ensemble Shreveport Metropolitan Concert Band ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, "There won't come a time when you won't have to practice anymore." J. J. Johnson ********************************************************************************* I'm not satisfied with anything about my playing. I know what I want. I can hear it; but it will take time and study to get it" -Sonny Rollins (1956) ----- Original Message ----- From: sabutin To: Trombones and related issues forum. Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2002 7:47 AM Subject: Re: Left handed trombone A little off to the left of this thing as it's appeared on the list so far... 1-The hand that holds the trombone is JUST as important as the one that holds the slide. This is the hand that controls how the horn meets the embouchure, and THAT'S where the real action is. Left OR right. I mean, when you get right down to it, most trombonists don't have much in the way of a slide technique anyway, nor does 95% of the music we play REQUIRE much. But for long tones, changing registers, the stresses on the embouchure that rapid slide movements DO make...especially rapid slide movements coupled w/an awkward slide technique...the left hand is the suspension system for the trombone vehicle, has an amazingly complex job to do, and must do that job w/consistent strength and endurance. This is going to be one too many metaphors, but it's early in the day, my coffee hasn't really kicked in yet, and I watched some football last night, so here goes...the left hand, arm and shoulder are the interior linemen of this particular team. No glory, no recognition, often lots of pain, but absolutely indispensable to its success. In my teaching I often emphasize m'pce buzzing as the very first thing a student should examine, and not just because (or even PRIMARILY because) it's "good" to be able to buzz the pitches you play. The first and by far most important information m'pce buzzing will give you (if you are careful to find out what the natural angles your embouchure and m'pce wish to assume w/out the interference of the horn and then transfer them back to the way you play) is the proper angles to hold the instrument for peak efficiency from your embouchure. These angles are often...I would go so far as to say almost always...not the ones that are most "comfortable" for the left hand. The horn pulls down + to the left (for a right handed player) due to its asymmetricality, and this almost always results in an embouchure that is slightly deformed from what it would be w/out that particular set of stresses. It's the job of the left hand + arm to resist that pull, to hold the horn at the angles that will be most efficacious for the job at hand. 2-One of the first breakthroughs I ever made on the horn came one day when I was goofing around and started playing left handed. I suddenly sounded "better". My first thought was that I was just hearing the horn from another angle, another ear, but it soon became evident that I was PLAYING the horn better too...much more flexibility, more range, better attack, cleaner tonguing. Why? (And this was well before Jimmy Maxwell showed me how to m'pce buzz and then relate it to the horn). Because holding the horn in my right hand broke the years of habit that had I developed as a right handed player and allowed my EMBOUCHURE to more clearly dictate where I put the m'pce on my face. On w/the day... Sam ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2268 Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 09:56:28 -0600 From: Michael Mclemore Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Left Handed Trombone Message-ID: <3C41AE2C.540BE593@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Speaking of handedness, Slide Hampton played left handed and I believe he was actually right handed.(I'm not 100% on this) He plays great, but I'm gonna have to go with Gary and the rest of you guys on this one. I'm left handed and it's never hurt me to play right handed. Besides, just think of all the extra work for Gary if he had to start making his valves backwards.(haha) Michael McLemore Adrian Drover wrote: > From: "Gary Greenhoe" > > > I mean....if I'm left handed, is it ok if I drive on the left side of the > > road? Or should I move to the UK. > > I certainly wouldn't recommend it in the USA, tho' after seeing some > American police videos on TV the other day, it seems that anything goes. > > OK, let's get back to left handed players. My brother is left handed, but > he plays a regular trumpet the regular way. Well, why not? French horn > players operate their valves with the left hand. Are they all left handed? > I think not. A pianist needs to be just as dextrous with the left hand as > with the right. Likewise, a classical guitarist or harpist. In fact, a > rock/pop guitarist needs to be more dextrous in the left hand than in the > right. > > Left handed instruments? I suppose you could call the French horn a left > handed instrument, tho' this is not exactly true as valves were only added > as an after thought. All the work was originally done with the right hand > inside the bell, for adjusting the pitch of certain harmonics. > > One of the Beatles used to play a "mirror image" guitar, can't remember > which, but it looked rather ridiculous on stage. The straight trombone is > easily interchangeable, but I'm sure it would look equally ridiculous played > left handed. > > It will feel strange for Tim's student to move the slide with the right hand > at first, but I'm sure it won't take any longer to get used to the feel of > a right handed trombone than it will to learn the positions and find an > embouchure. > > Adrian ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2268 Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 10:03:44 -0600 From: Wayne Dyess To: Trombone-L:; Subject: Friend looking for 3B slide Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Howdy friends and Happy New Year! I have a local friend who is looking for a 3B slide. If you have one, or know of someone interested in selling -- please contact me directly and I'll put you in touch with the (potential) buyer. Thanks! --Wayne At 9:06 PM -0600 1/9/02, WD's friend wrote: Wayne - I have a King 3B valve bone, and would like to know if there is someone out there who has a 3B slide section for sale. Just the slide section. My guess is that there is some, maybe more than one website where all of the tbone players congregate, or maybe a listserv? Any ideas? Thanks TB -- ========================= Dr. J. Wayne Dyess, Professor of Music Lamar University Music Department P. O. Box 10044 Beaumont, Texas 77710 409-880-8146 FAX: 409-880-8143 dyessjw@hal.lamar.edu http://www.lamar.edu ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2268 Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 10:32:31 -0600 From: Mearl Danner To: Trombone Subject: Alessi performance and Master Class Message-ID: <6230659.1010917951@jmdanner> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline To all the listers in the Birmingham (Alabama) area. Friday January 18 at 8PM, Joseph Alessi will perform with the Alabama Symphony. He'll perform the Rouse Trombone Concerto. Also on the program will be Holst's "The Planets". He'll also conduct a MasterClass at Birmingham Southern College. It will be in Munger Hall at 7PM on Thursday January 17. It doesn't show on the calendar on his web site, but the music department at Birmingham Southern confirmed it. More info at http://www.bsc.edu/news/win_spring_calendar.htm Mearl Danner Systems Programmer Samford University jmdanner@samford.edu www.samford.edu ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2268 Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 09:29:05 -0800 From: Gary Sloane To: emrose79@pacbell.net, trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Glenn Miller's bone Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 3:54 PM -0800 1/11/02, emrose79@pacbell.net wrote: Gary Sloane wrote: > > > > MacKinley would play Celery Stalks Along the Highway > Just a quick question........was the name of the song "Celery Stalks at Midnight"? and orginaly done by Will Bradley's band? Ed Probably. -- Gary Sloane sloane@batnet.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2268 Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 09:50:19 -0800 From: "Elisabeth Frederick" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Left Handed Trombone Message-ID: <002301c19c5a$c4d270c0$1d72fb3f@d9h2z9> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, if you just joined the band in the Simpsons, you could play trombone like that. I am pretty sure that in all the episodes that they show a shot of the band, all the trombones are played 'backwards'. Liz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adrian Drover" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2002 2:11 AM Subject: Re: Left Handed Trombone > > From: "Gary Greenhoe" > > > I mean....if I'm left handed, is it ok if I drive on the left side of the > > road? Or should I move to the UK. > > I certainly wouldn't recommend it in the USA, tho' after seeing some > American police videos on TV the other day, it seems that anything goes. > > OK, let's get back to left handed players. My brother is left handed, but > he plays a regular trumpet the regular way. Well, why not? French horn > players operate their valves with the left hand. Are they all left handed? > I think not. A pianist needs to be just as dextrous with the left hand as > with the right. Likewise, a classical guitarist or harpist. In fact, a > rock/pop guitarist needs to be more dextrous in the left hand than in the > right. > > Left handed instruments? I suppose you could call the French horn a left > handed instrument, tho' this is not exactly true as valves were only added > as an after thought. All the work was originally done with the right hand > inside the bell, for adjusting the pitch of certain harmonics. > > One of the Beatles used to play a "mirror image" guitar, can't remember > which, but it looked rather ridiculous on stage. The straight trombone is > easily interchangeable, but I'm sure it would look equally ridiculous played > left handed. > > It will feel strange for Tim's student to move the slide with the right hand > at first, but I'm sure it won't take any longer to get used to the feel of > a right handed trombone than it will to learn the positions and find an > embouchure. > > Adrian > > > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2268 Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 09:58:28 -0800 From: "Gary D. Maxwell" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Left Handed Trombone Message-ID: <001001c19c5b$e8f1c400$2d525d3f@garymaxwell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Gary Greenhoe" > I am a serious leftie and I have played trombone since I was 5. (that's 51 > years) I have a different feeling about this subject from most, as I feel > that holding the instrument with the left hand is, in fact, a left handed > configuration. There is absolutely no handicap using my right hand to > manuver the slide. > problems with re-configuring horns. > > On this issue, I feel very strongly. Unless someone has a disability, I > strongly encourage students to play it as it comes. ============================================== As a teacher, I appreciate Gary's take on this subject. I have always approached teaching all instruments as "that's the way it was made, so we will learn it that way". Otherwise I would have spent an awful lot of teaching time re-stringing string instruments. When was the last time you saw a fiddle being fingered with the right hand? I did, however, once have a trumpeter who came to band fingering with the left hand, because he had broken his right arm a year before and refused to stop playing until it healed. It was rather hard for him to convert back to using the right hand, but he was a determined little guy. How about a right fingered French Horn? Ever see one? All the best, Gary Maxwell Bass Trombone Bakersfield Symphony Orchestra ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2268--