TROMBONE-L Digest 2264 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) RE: Slight vent session... by richardt@LEE.ARMY.MIL 2) Merits of School was RE: Slight vent session... by "Jeffrey Albert" 3) RE: Slight vent session... by "Daniel Pliskin" 4) RE: Slight vent session... by Gabriel Langfur 5) Kenny G cartoon by Gabriel Langfur 6) RE: Slight vent session... by "Wessner, John" 7) RE: Slight vent session... by "James W. Yardley" 8) Looking for a Bach 50B or 50B2 by "Paul D. Kemp, Jr." 9) Re: Old recordings by Larry White 10) RE: Slight vent session... by Angie Brunk 11) Re: Slight vent session... by "Richard Johnson" 12) Re: Slight vent session... by Robert Holland 13) Re: Old recordings by "Dave Wank" 14) How to record to CD (was Old Recordings) by "James W. Yardley" 15) RE: How to record to CD (was Old Recordings) by Ian McKenzie 16) Black Dyke Band in Concert - New Jersey by Douglas Yeo 17) RE: Recording by TboneGib@aol.com 18) Old Recordings by "Berggren, Erik" 19) RE: Slight vent session... by "Guion, David" <8guion@jmls.edu> 20) Re: How to record to CD (was Old Recordings) by "Todd Slothower" 21) Re: Old recordings by Delbert Pakiser 22) Yanko Neilovitch by Gordon Cherry ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2264 Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 13:19:43 -0500 From: richardt@LEE.ARMY.MIL To: zemry@bellsouth.net, trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: RE: Slight vent session... Message-ID: <81F62454EA21B94EA95517180D7303730243F75F@lee-is-102.lee.army.mil> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C19871.0BCB3E00" Good advice. First a warning - never quit school this time of year. SAD (seasonal affective disorder) may be warping your logic. It might seem much better when the sun returns. Next, go to (prepare for heresy) a good public university in a city with a good symphony and don't major in music. If you want to be a performer, take lessons from the symphony guy and major in engineering. When you graduate, if you don't get a symphony gig right away you'll be able to pay off your loans. Don't study music education UNLESS your goal is to become a teacher. Don't study music performance at all.Ê If you want to play jazz, dunno why you're in college. Just do it.Ê Or, maybe not. This is the season of wacko ideas.Ê -----Original Message----- From: Richard Johnson [mailto:zemry@bellsouth.net] Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 10:00 PM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Re: Slight vent session... For the future college students on the list, I would highly recommend going to a public state university. They are a LOT cheaper! In addition, many state universities have programs where you can pay tuition years in advance, This locks you in from inflation. If you have a public university within commuting distance of your home, seriously consider staying with your parents while you attend college! It may not be as exciting as living on your own...but 10-15 years down the road when you see how much others are paying in student loans, you'll be glad that you did! Play in marching band in college, public universities usually pay at least a partial tuition scholarship for playing in marching band. Do college work-study in order to lessen the amounts of loans. I went to undergrad on a combination of scholarships, work-study, grants and loans. In law school, I used scholarships, loans and work-study and military benefits. CHECK WITH YOUR NATIONAL GUARD.....They have a tuition program for those who join the National Guard. Trombone content....You may be able to play trombone in a National Guard band. ****************************************************************************** Richard Zemry Johnson, Jr.ÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊ "The Untouchables" Jazz Ensemble Shreveport Metropolitan Concert Band ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, "There won't come a time when you won't have to practice anymore." J. J. Johnson ********************************************************************************* I'm not satisfied with anything about my playing. I know what I want. I can hear it; but it will take time and study to get it" -Sonny Rollins (1956) ----- Original Message ----- From: Maria Tekle-Wolde To: Trombones and related issues forum. Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 5:26 PM Subject: Slight vent session... Someone posted on school loans awhile back......... now I know what it's like I would just like to let every college student know.. if you don't have to go private loan, DON'T.. I'm now questioning the financial aid dept in both schools I attended and now see both as, pay us pay us pay us as I was just informed that I have "private" loans I have to pay on, can't consolidate or anything..ÊI was never informed of which these "private" loans were.... The private schol I went to.. I won't even consider anymore as if they are that expensive that I need to get "private" loans, to bad.. I've actually just decided to not return to school... I'm not dealing with the pay us pay us people any longer and I sort of think the way in which this country tries to support it's "younger folk" needs to be looked at.. Expected to have a job, a car, and a college education.. all of which cost money...... and if your family doesn't have the money to give, GET A LOAN! it's what everyone does... No more school for this ex-trombone player... costs to much and the loans I have now have turned into the biggest headache!! Thanks for listening.. now to contact both schools I've attended and ask to be sent a stack of papers to look through.. Maria Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2264 Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 12:44:38 -0600 From: "Jeffrey Albert" To: , "'Trombones and related issues forum.'" Subject: Merits of School was RE: Slight vent session... Message-ID: <003201c19874$86d4b600$39219d42@user> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0033_01C19842.3C3A4600" Next, go to (prepare for heresy) a good public university in a city with a good symphony and don't major in music. If you want to be a performer, take lessons from the symphony guy and major in engineering. When you graduate, if you don't get a symphony gig right away you'll be able to pay off your loans. Don't study music education UNLESS your goal is to become a teacher. Don't study music performance at all.Ê Good advice, especially the education major part. I donÕt have a problem with being a performance major, just donÕt borrow money to do it, thatÕs bad debt. My wife borrowed loads of money for school, but it was medical school, and the job she got allows her to make those payments without any trouble. I didnÕt borrow any money to get my trombone degrees, it was either scholarship, or cheap public school that I could save up for and afford, or a combination of the two. If you want to play jazz, dunno why you're in college. Just do it.Ê School can be a great place to meet people and make connections. Look at Berklee in the 70s. Lots of great players went there. Most of them got gigs and left before they graduated, but school still served the purpose of getting them a gig. There are reasons to study jazz at a university, at least a few anyway. Or, maybe not. This is the season of wacko ideas.Ê -----Original Message----- From: Richard Johnson [mailto:zemry@bellsouth.net] Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 10:00 PM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Re: Slight vent session... For the future college students on the list, I would highly recommend going to a public state university. They are a LOT cheaper! In addition, many state universities have programs where you can pay tuition years in advance, This locks you in from inflation. If you have a public university within commuting distance of your home, seriously consider staying with your parents while you attend college! It may not be as exciting as living on your own...but 10-15 years down the road when you see how much others are paying in student loans, you'll be glad that you did! Play in marching band in college, public universities usually pay at least a partial tuition scholarship for playing in marching band. Do college work-study in order to lessen the amounts of loans. I went to undergrad on a combination of scholarships, work-study, grants and loans. In law school, I used scholarships, loans and work-study and military benefits. CHECK WITH YOUR NATIONAL GUARD.....They have a tuition program for those who join the National Guard. Trombone content....You may be able to play trombone in a National Guard band. ****************************************************************************** Richard Zemry Johnson, Jr.ÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊ "The Untouchables" Jazz Ensemble Shreveport Metropolitan Concert Band ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, "There won't come a time when you won't have to practice anymore." J. J. JohnsonÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊ ********************************************************************************* I'm not satisfied with anything about my playing. I know what I want. I can hear it; but it will take time and study to get it" -Sonny Rollins (1956) ----- Original Message ----- From: Maria Tekle-Wolde To: Trombones and related issues forum. Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 5:26 PM Subject: Slight vent session... Someone posted on school loans awhile back......... now I know what it's like I would just like to let every college student know.. if you don't have to go private loan, DON'T.. I'm now questioning the financial aid dept in both schools I attended and now see both as, pay us pay us pay us as I was just informed that I have "private" loans I have to pay on, can't consolidate or anything..ÊI was never informed of which these "private" loans were.... The private schol I went to.. I won't even consider anymore as if they are that expensive that I need to get "private" loans, to bad.. I've actually just decided to not return to school... I'm not dealing with the pay us pay us people any longer and I sort of think the way in which this country tries to support it's "younger folk" needs to be looked at.. Expected to have a job, a car, and a college education.. all of which cost money...... and if your family doesn't have the money to give, GET A LOAN! it's what everyone does... No more school for this ex-trombone player... costs to much and the loans I have now have turned into the biggest headache!! Thanks for listening.. now to contact both schools I've attended and ask to be sent a stack of papers to look through.. Maria Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2264 Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 19:04:35 From: "Daniel Pliskin" To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: RE: Slight vent session... Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed If you want to be a performer, take lessons from the symphony guy and major in engineering. Iâll have to second that. Thatâs what I did and I get paid a great salary while I ãyapä on trombone-L. Iâve said it before and Iâll say it again. There isnât a single course in electrical engineering thatâs half as difficult as four-part harmony assignments. Iâm not saying, for an instant that you shouldnât enjoy yourself, in college, and Iâm certainly not advocating that you take on a career that youâre not drawn to. But, Iâve encouraged my kids to find careers that pay well enough so that they can support themselves. Did they take my advice? No·well, kind of. Do I expect yâall to take my advice? No. I also understand the draw of music. Iâve been practicing one instrument or another for the last 49 years. And I continue to practice, instead of watching TV. I think the last time I watched TV was for half an hour, on the morning of September 11th. No, I practice when Iâm not working, sleeping or eating. Iâm either a masochist or I get enjoyment out of it. It's hard to know which. But at least Iâm not ogling my neighborâs new car, or whatever, in search of happiness. But then, Iâm a nerd, so what do I know. DanP _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2264 Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 11:30:58 -0800 (PST) From: Gabriel Langfur To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: Slight vent session... Message-ID: <20020108193058.21139.qmail@web10308.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- richardt@LEE.ARMY.MIL wrote: > Or, maybe not. This is the season of wacko ideas. Well, you've got that part right. This thread is making me mad. I would hope that there might be one thing all of us on the trombone-l can agree on: that there are things in life MUCH more important than money. I went to college at Oberlin. Small, private, liberal arts, expensive. I have a degree in English (no income guarantee) and another in trombone performance (ditto). I went to grad school at New England Conservatory. Also, small and expensive. Do I like my mountain of student loan debt? No, but I wouldn't trade my education for anything in the world, and I would probably do it all over again the same way given the chance. And, for the most part, I'm doing what I want to be doing with my life. I've managed to get married, own (part of) a house in one of the most expensive real estate markets in the country, drive a car that I enjoy (even if it is 14 years old), and be able to pay all my bills every month. By the end of this calendar year I will be able to save money on top of that. I'm LIVING MY LIFE the way I want to. Debt is only about money. The debt my wife & I have incurred has enabled us to pursue our more important goal - to spend the bulk of our energy making music happen. LIVE YOUR LIFE! Why sacrifice important experiences, lifetime goals and desires, etc. etc., just to avoid debt? There are more important things. Of course, be smart - of course, don't waste money on dumb things - of course, plan for the future with a savings and investment strategy. But don't put the money god ahead of everything else. Specific to studying music, I don't see how going to a public university with no music program and studying with the local symphony player can even come remotely close to what you get by going to the best music school you can possibly get into. The input and stimulation of the ensembles and the other students there is at least as important as the private teacher. I'd argue that it's more important. The great players who came from schools other than the major music schools are the exceptions, not the rule. Sorry. Gabe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2264 Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 12:38:20 -0800 (PST) From: Gabriel Langfur To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Kenny G cartoon Message-ID: <20020108203820.17067.qmail@web10303.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii http://www.offthemark.com/music/music11.htm __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2264 Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 19:34:59 -0500 From: "Wessner, John" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: Slight vent session... Message-ID: content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Item number one: A bachelor's degree is not a curse. A doctorate probably isn't either. I have a liberal arts degree in math and a PhD in physics. I hold a journeyman's license in HVAC so I can work for Habitat for Humanity and a decent reputation as a musician. (Additionally, I've read most of the optional reading my MSW daughter didn't.) Item #2: Enough brag. Life is what you make of it. So make of it! Item #3: An anecdote - I worked on occasion with incoming freshman at Towson. One young man was trying to decide whether to major in engineering or music. My recommendation was to go for the engineering. "You can always be an engineer who plays music, but it's unlikely you can be a musician who does engineering." (Forgive me Les Paul.) Fifteen years later, I ran into him at a gig I was playing and he introduced himself and commented favorably on my advice. I asked him what he was doing these days. He is restoring antique furniture. jw -----Original Message----- From: Gabriel Langfur [mailto:glangfur@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 2:31 PM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: RE: Slight vent session... --- richardt@LEE.ARMY.MIL wrote: > Or, maybe not. This is the season of wacko ideas. Well, you've got that part right. This thread is making me mad. I would hope that there might be one thing all of us on the trombone-l can agree on: that there are things in life MUCH more important than money. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2264 Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 17:42:48 -0800 From: "James W. Yardley" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: Slight vent session... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I guess it's up to a person to decide whether they want to choose a career they're passionate about or whether they want to choose a career that is certain and comfortable. When I was deciding on my career path I asked my band director for some advice. I told him that my passion was to play my bass trombone, but I knew the odds are of making a comfortable living doing so were not in my favor. He told me to do follow my dream because if I didn't, I'd always wonder if I could have made it as a great trombone player. If I give trombone playing 100% and end up on the street, I will be happy to know that it wasn't for me. I would rather deal with that than be sitting in my office infront of a computer wondering what would have happened if I had tried. If your dream is to drive a nice car and live in a nice house in a nice neighborhood with a nice family, music is not the best way to achieve that goal. But if your dream is to play your trombone for a living, go to school and study music and give it 200%. Do what makes you happy. Personally, I would rather be in debt $100,000,000,000 playing my trombone for dog food commercials than be staring at a computer screen making $100,000,000,000 doing so. Money doesn't make me happy, playing my trombone does. Follow your dream, whatever it is. Take care, James Yardley -----Original Message----- From: owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu [mailto:owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu]On Behalf Of Wessner, John Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 4:35 PM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: RE: Slight vent session... Item number one: A bachelor's degree is not a curse. A doctorate probably isn't either. I have a liberal arts degree in math and a PhD in physics. I hold a journeyman's license in HVAC so I can work for Habitat for Humanity and a decent reputation as a musician. (Additionally, I've read most of the optional reading my MSW daughter didn't.) Item #2: Enough brag. Life is what you make of it. So make of it! Item #3: An anecdote - I worked on occasion with incoming freshman at Towson. One young man was trying to decide whether to major in engineering or music. My recommendation was to go for the engineering. "You can always be an engineer who plays music, but it's unlikely you can be a musician who does engineering." (Forgive me Les Paul.) Fifteen years later, I ran into him at a gig I was playing and he introduced himself and commented favorably on my advice. I asked him what he was doing these days. He is restoring antique furniture. jw -----Original Message----- From: Gabriel Langfur [mailto:glangfur@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 2:31 PM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: RE: Slight vent session... --- richardt@LEE.ARMY.MIL wrote: > Or, maybe not. This is the season of wacko ideas. Well, you've got that part right. This thread is making me mad. I would hope that there might be one thing all of us on the trombone-l can agree on: that there are things in life MUCH more important than money. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2264 Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 21:48:12 -0500 From: "Paul D. Kemp, Jr." To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Looking for a Bach 50B or 50B2 Message-ID: <000801c198b8$157a8540$3a5b4d0c@trbnplyr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C1988E.2BA86A00" I have a student who is looking for a good Bach 50B or 50B2. If anyone knows of one for sale, please send an e-mail to EWMZ71@aol.com. He'd like to stay in the $750-$1200 range. Paul D. Kemp Jr. Chattanooga Symphony www.trbnplyr.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2264 Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 19:17:35 -0800 From: Larry White To: erik.berggren@state.ks.us Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Old recordings Message-ID: <3C3BB64F.155378E9@telus.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------27D4D678D769B5FA81D8BD91" Erik, I would be happy to hear of some of the responses to you. I too am wanting to transfer some of my prized LP's to CD's and wondered how it could be done. Some of the LP's are Audiophile and impossible to replace as far as I know. Thanks Larry White "Berggren, Erik" wrote: Hey! I want to transfer some old LPs, reel-to-reel tapes, cassette tapes, and some VHS recordings (all trombone related events, of course!Ê J - to meet the "trombone content" requirement for postings). Do any of you have any experience or advice on what hardware and software needs to be added to my PC to enable me to transfer these analog recordings to CDs (I have already added a burner). Since I am a "digest" subscriber, would you please respond "off List" so I can chat with you today and so we don't clutter the List? Thanks! Erik Berggren, AAA (Always An Amateur) ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2264 Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 22:34:42 -0500 From: Angie Brunk To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: Slight vent session... Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" James is correct to say follow your dreams. Nothing in life is certain. An acident or illness can leave you unable to work at all-no matter what skills or degree you have. You might find people's petty attitudes keep you from working no matter your skils and abilities. I have a degree from a good school in library science, a field that is supposed to assure one of a small but steady income. Things did not turn out the way I expected. Journalism is considered by most to be a "practical" field, yet it is like trying to make a living from music in many ways. A friend of mine left a career as an electrical engineer to become a church organist. He told me people urged him to keep up his engineering credentials to fall back on. He also said other engineers knew *exactly* why he was making the switch. Engineering did not give him the satisfaction that music did, and he did find a full time organist gig he enjoys. The demand for skills will change a great deal during your life. The odds might be better in engineering than in music, but there is still no gaurantee. If you will not be happy in don't prepare for that career. It's one thing to be sensible, but don't choose a field you will be miserable in. You can study music and aquire practical skills at the same time. Get a job maintaining the music shcool's web page or working on the newsletter etc. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2264 Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 21:47:18 -0600 From: "Richard Johnson" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Slight vent session... Message-ID: <001e01c198c0$5643a0e0$9da89d42@zemry> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My opinion is still to go to a public university, if at all possible. Many good and great players come from public universities. North Texas State is a public university and many great musicians come through that school. It's trombone faculty is very competent. Carl Fontana went to Louisiana State University, a public university. Wycliffe Gordon went to Florida A&M, a public university. The list goes on and on. In addition, I am sure that the private, expensive conservatories are turning out lots of mediocre musicians who have to find jobs doing something else and aren't prepared to do so. In addition, they have tons of student loans to pay off.....loans that will take decades to pay off. Public universities often have outstanding music departments and faculty. I would not advocate going to a public university with no music program and taking lessons from a local symphonic player. To do so would be folly. However, going to one with a good program is cheaper than going to a private conservatory. I went undergrad to a college of about 7,000 students in northeast Louisiana. We marched about 100-125, we had a symphonic band, two concert bands and two jazz ensembles. We attracted students who were all-state and all-district. The trombone instructor had a doctorate in music or music education...I forget which. Tuition was cheap. A couple of our trumpet players ended up in either the Buddy Rich band or Stan Kenton band, I forget which. One is a percussionist in one of the major military bands. At least one is a free-lance trombonist in the Dallas-Forth Worth area who makes a comfortable living. It is not at all unusual to go to a public university and get a job in music after college. Going to a public university with a good music department is a common sense, fiscally responsible option to going to a private conservatory which charges students substantially more. Those high school students on this list contemplating pursuing a career in music need to know that they have options. They need to know that they do not need to necessarily major in music in order to pursue a career in music. They need to know that there are music programs in colleges that they can afford. I agree that there are more important things than money, however, I would not tell a high school student that the only or best way for her to pursue a future music career is to go to an expensive private conservatory. **************************************************************************** ** Richard Zemry Johnson, Jr. "The Untouchables" Jazz Ensemble Shreveport Metropolitan Concert Band ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, , "There won't come a time when you won't have to practice anymore." J. J. Johnson **************************************************************************** ***** I'm not satisfied with anything about my playing. I know what I want. I can hear it; but it will take time and study to get it" -Sonny Rollins (1956) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gabriel Langfur" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 1:30 PM Subject: RE: Slight vent session... > --- richardt@LEE.ARMY.MIL wrote: > > Or, maybe not. This is the season of wacko ideas. > > Well, you've got that part right. > > This thread is making me mad. I would hope that there might > be one thing all of us on the trombone-l can agree on: that > there are things in life MUCH more important than money. > > I went to college at Oberlin. Small, private, liberal arts, > expensive. I have a degree in English (no income guarantee) > and another in trombone performance (ditto). I went to grad > school at New England Conservatory. Also, small and > expensive. Do I like my mountain of student loan debt? No, > but I wouldn't trade my education for anything in the > world, and I would probably do it all over again the same > way given the chance. And, for the most part, I'm doing > what I want to be doing with my life. I've managed to get > married, own (part of) a house in one of the most expensive > real estate markets in the country, drive a car that I > enjoy (even if it is 14 years old), and be able to pay all > my bills every month. By the end of this calendar year I > will be able to save money on top of that. > > I'm LIVING MY LIFE the way I want to. Debt is only about > money. The debt my wife & I have incurred has enabled us to > pursue our more important goal - to spend the bulk of our > energy making music happen. > > LIVE YOUR LIFE! Why sacrifice important experiences, > lifetime goals and desires, etc. etc., just to avoid debt? > There are more important things. Of course, be smart - of > course, don't waste money on dumb things - of course, plan > for the future with a savings and investment strategy. But > don't put the money god ahead of everything else. > > Specific to studying music, I don't see how going to a > public university with no music program and studying with > the local symphony player can even come remotely close to > what you get by going to the best music school you can > possibly get into. The input and stimulation of the > ensembles and the other students there is at least as > important as the private teacher. I'd argue that it's more > important. The great players who came from schools other > than the major music schools are the exceptions, not the > rule. Sorry. > > Gabe > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! > http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2264 Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 22:28:02 -0600 From: Robert Holland To: "Trb. List" Subject: Re: Slight vent session... Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Gabriel Langfur wrote: > I would hope that there might be one thing all of us on the trombone-l can > agree on: that there are things in life MUCH more important than money. Glad someone else said this. Most contemporary values steer everyone heavily toward making the most $$ with their abilities, which is rarely the point of musical endeavor. > I'm LIVING MY LIFE the way I want to. Debt is only about > money. The debt my wife & I have incurred has enabled us to > pursue our more important goal - to spend the bulk of our > energy making music happen. I like very much the frame you provide for this debate. I've seen too many folks who spend decades providing for self and family with the attitude of delayed gratification, only to discover too late that the time has already passed. > Specific to studying music, I don't see how going to a > public university with no music program and studying with > the local symphony player can even come remotely close to > what you get by going to the best music school you can > possibly get into. It can't, of course. Like you, I wouldn't trade in my expensive conservatory education for any else. However, not everyone has the goal of being a full-time professional, or even of joining the local orchestra. There's a lot of range in ambition, and the university option of a music minor is ideal for some. Robert Holland Briar Music Press briar@chicagonet.net http://members.aol.com/EnsPub/briar.htm ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2264 Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 23:48:43 -0500 From: "Dave Wank" To: "Trombone-L" , Subject: Re: Old recordings Message-ID: <003401c198c8$eb353b20$a598fea9@computer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I, too, would be very interested in the necessary equipment for transferring LPs to CD. I have a pile of LPs that, so far, I have not been able to find on CD. I want to copy them, get rid of them, and dump this fine Thorens turntable while it still has some value. Dave Wank ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2264 Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 21:49:42 -0800 From: "James W. Yardley" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: How to record to CD (was Old Recordings) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am not a recording expert by anyone's standard by I have a fairly painless way of recording from LP/cassette/minidisc/etc. to my computer which I then burn to a cd. You need 4 essential things. A good sound card (I have a Sound Blaster Live sound card), sound recording software (I use Sonic Foundry's Sound Forge 5.0, http://www.sonicfoundry.com/products/NewShowProduct.asp?PID=426), a cord to connect your recording source to your sound card, and a cd burner. I record my trombone lessons on minidisc and store them on my computer as mp3 files. All I have to do is plug in my minidisc to the line in on my sound card, tell sound forge how long I want it to record for, then hit the buttons. Sound Forge, I'm sure, is not the only software that can perform the simple task of recording. I use it because it's what I first used and I'm familiar with it. I'm interested in hearing what software other people use. I've heard MP3 files on Doug Yeo's website that sound great. Do you have a method of recording to computer that you could share with us Doug? Take care, James Yardley -----Original Message----- From: owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu [mailto:owner-trombone-l@po.missouri.edu]On Behalf Of Dave Wank Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 8:49 PM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Re: Old recordings I, too, would be very interested in the necessary equipment for transferring LPs to CD. I have a pile of LPs that, so far, I have not been able to find on CD. I want to copy them, get rid of them, and dump this fine Thorens turntable while it still has some value. Dave Wank ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2264 Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 23:38:06 -0700 From: Ian McKenzie To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: How to record to CD (was Old Recordings) Message-ID: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_Ww5ieEmuBoAHcOa6R7XkHQ)" I'm using Goldwave (CAN $55.00) - http://www.goldwave.com/ - a top-rated product from a Canadian company based in Newfoundland. Apart from that, my "equipment" setup is the same as mentioned by James. I believe there is a line-in recording plugin for WinAmp that would allow you to play around with the process, with no software cost. Products like Goldwave allow you to clean pops & hiss from recordings before transferring to CD. It also allows you to change the speed of a recording, without changing the pitch. Handy for transcribing jazz solos, or other music. The only other requirement, and it seems in short supply, is time. Transferring LP's to CD is a time intensive process. I find it takes about an hour to record the files to computer plus the CD burn time. I have 600+ LP's and a couple of hundred cassettes; not a weekend project :-) Ian McKenzie <>< Ian's Messy Desk I am not a recording expert by anyone's standard by I have a fairly painless way of recording from LP/cassette/minidisc/etc. to my computer which I then burn to a cd. You need 4 essential things. A good sound card (I have a Sound Blaster Live sound card), sound recording software (I use Sonic Foundry's Sound Forge 5.0, http://www.sonicfoundry.com/products/NewShowProduct.asp?PID=426), a cord to connect your recording source to your sound card, and a cd burner. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2264 Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 08:26:32 -0500 From: Douglas Yeo To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Black Dyke Band in Concert - New Jersey Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" I received the following message privately regarding a concert by the Black Dyke Band (brass band) which will be playing a concert in New Jersey next month. This is the band with which I recorded my first CD, "Proclamation." If you have a chance to hear them live, it will be memorable! -Doug Yeo ============= From: "Jeff Vanaman" To: Subject: Black Dyke in concert FYI Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 22:42:37 -0500 My name is Jeff Vanaman,BBb tubist with the Atlantic Brass Band in Glassboro NJ. We are sponsoring the Black Dyke Band in concert, and at a workshop in Southern NJ on Feb 4th, 8:00pm, at Williamstown High School Performing Arts Center. This facility is a brand new 1000 seat concert hall. The Atlantic Band will play one opening selection. As it stands now that selection will be Dean Goffin's Symphony Of Thanksgiving. If anyone is interested in this concert tickets are still available, and are disappearing rapidly. We have had good response from New York to Washington. The afternoon workshop tickets are also available and only $5.00. You may email me at jlvanaman@yahoo.com, or call Regional Music at 1-856-825-2239 and ask for Herb or Lucy Roselle. Thank you in advance for your attention. Regards, Jeff Vanaman =============== ********************************************** * Douglas Yeo * * Bass Trombonist, Boston Symphony Orchestra * * Music Director, The New England Brass Band * * yeo@yeodoug.com * * http://www.yeodoug.com * * <>< * ********************************************** ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2264 Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 09:08:56 EST From: TboneGib@aol.com To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: RE: Recording Message-ID: <9e.2045027f.296da8f8@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_9e.2045027f.296da8f8_boundary" If you have the memory (at least 128MB) in your machine, you should visit digidesign's homepage and download ProToolsFREE. It will allow MULTI-tracking with MIDI and audio tracks. Doing a single audio track (as you would when recording from vinyl, etc), is a snap. The program may seem daunting, but that's because it's so very powerful.They have not developed a version for Windows XP users, and they don't plan on it:-( Another freebie that's not quite as powerful but still a very useful program is Quartz AudioMaster. Look under MULTITRACKING in the MusicSharewareMachine at hitsquad.com. It won't do as many tracks as ProToolsFREE, but does allow for multi-tracking MIDI and audio. Not available for Mac...bummer. As for MP3 conversions, there are a ton of freebies out there. MPegger gives very good results. BladeEncoder, in my experience, does not. Mac users can use iTunes to convert to and from wav, aif, and MP3 formats (again, a freebie). Demos of PEAK audio software will allow you to transfer vinyl to CD,too, but no multi-tracking capability. ALL of this stuff (and a LOT more good free and/or cheap software) can be found at hitsquad.com in the SharewareMusicMachine department.You don't need to spend a ton of money to get great music software if you just look around. Hitsquad.com will be your best friend in this regard. Save your money for those college loans:-) Tom Gibson Brass Dept. Coordinator Georgia State University tbonegib@aol.com ph: (404) 651-1740 trombonelessons.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2264 Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 08:43:45 -0600 From: "Berggren, Erik" To: "'Trombone-L'" Subject: Old Recordings Message-ID: <72F9096757B3D51186C500E01828EA7002962A@BKXCHUSR01> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1991C.0A737F80" Little did I know how much interest there would be regarding my question about how to transfer analog reel-to-reel tapes, cassette tapes, LPs, and VHS tapes to CD (these are all recordings of events involving one or more trombones, of course - required content)! Several Listers e-mailed me off the List asking what types of responses I got. As usual, List members' experience, knowledge, and willingness to help others learn simply amazes me, and strengthens my faith in mankind! Those Listers responding were so many in number that I've not been able to keep track of everyone's name, but I would ask that each of them consider posting their message(s) to the List for others to read, if they think the List Monitor would deem it permissible. My thanks to Joe Stanko, Jeff Albert, Tom Huelsmann, Stan Brager, Jerry Blomberg, and Monte Price! I apologize if I've missed anyone. Thanks for all the help on this issue! Erik Berggren, AAA Always An Amateur ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2264 Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 08:55:01 -0600 From: "Guion, David" <8guion@jmls.edu> To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: Slight vent session... Message-ID: <47763CCCA27C4F4FA4BEF7DDB754A1E712498C@marshall.jmls.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Richard Johnson wrote >Those high school students on this list contemplating pursuing a career >in music need to know that they have options. They need to know that >they do not need to necessarily major in music in order to pursue a >career in music. They need to know that there are music programs in >colleges that they can afford. And Robert Holland added > There's a > lot of range in ambition, and the university option of a music minor is > ideal for some. > High school students contemplating a career in music or anything else need to know what options are available, what preparation is necessary to go in the various possible directions, what lifestyle consequences come along with the various possible directions, etc. That means that the teachers, guidance counsellors, etc. who deal with high school students (and college students, and graduate students, for that matter) have to know these things and recognize that the students will need help even forming the right questions. I have never thought of a music minor as ideal for anyone, and here's why: the minimum credit hour in music required for a music minor is more than the minimum credit hours required for any other major. That's right. Music minors must spend more time on their minor than on their major unless they take minimal music and far more than minimal whatever they're studying. Now, since it's music, that's not necessarily a bad thing :-) On the other hand, that could cause problems with faculty in their major field. People contemplating a music minor must keep the consequences (both actual and potential) in mind. Does someone aspire to be the next Christian Lindberg or join a high-profile professional brass quintet? Then be prepared to spend a lot of time in airplanes and hotels. That thought has detered at least one very fine tenor of my acquaintance from seeking the glamor of a professional operatic career. He went into teaching, sang in faculty opera productions, and slept in his own bed nearly every night. Does someone aspire to be a freelance trombonist? Then learn what it takes to be always looking for work, to have an unpredictable cash flow, to have to keep good records and have complicated tax returns. Does someone aspire. . . Well, you get the idea. For any career, you must prepare for the work, find the work, do the work, and deal with the lifestyle consequences of the work. Choosing a career and then thinking of nothing more than doing the work is a recipe for frustration. ^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^ David Guion, Cataloging Librarian The John Marshall Law School 315 S. Plymouth Ct. Chicago, IL 60604 Voice: (312) 427-2737 x 552 Fax; (312) 427-8307 8guion@jmls.edu Should part-time band directors be called semi-conductors? Quidquid latine dictum sit, profundum viditur. ^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^ ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2264 Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 10:13:19 -0600 From: "Todd Slothower" To: , Subject: Re: How to record to CD (was Old Recordings) Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Greeting to the list! I am cleaning out my pracitce room and need to move a couple of trombones. I have an old Getzen model 40 "The Dude" that has unique bracing on it, and a basic Selmer Bundy nickel finish trombone for sale. Prices are $125 for the Getzen and $100 for the Bundy. These horns are well-used. but not junk. I can email you pictures easily if interested. Please reply to Todd Slothower at TDSlothower@msn.com. Thanks. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2264 Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 10:10:34 -0700 From: Delbert Pakiser To: Dave Wank Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Old recordings Message-ID: <3C3C798A.8090905@ecentral.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Dave, That is an interesting project that most of us are facing. 1. The LP's and Cassettes, etc. are analog, the mini-disk, DAT, CD, and DVD are all digital. 2. Most all the digital equipment has built in converters (AD and DA). Therefore, most of the time we don't think about the compatibility or changing from one format to the other format. 3. Not all converters are equal! Many converters are poor quality. Some are good converters. I think that this is the real key to the quality of the music you want keep and hear. The CONVERTER. 4. My personal preference for a converter is Apogee model Rosetta (either the 96 or 48). This company specializes in converters. This equipment gives a very warm sound and extremely accurate. 5. To preserve the quality, try to make a minimum of conversions for analog to digital and from digital to analog. Del Dave Wank wrote: I, too, would be very interested in the necessary equipment for transferring LPs to CD. I have a pile of LPs that, so far, I have not been able to find on CD. I want to copy them, get rid of them, and dump this fine Thorens turntable while it still has some value. Dave Wank ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2264 Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 09:51:13 -0800 From: Gordon Cherry To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu, jms-tsa_sweet@juno.com Subject: Yanko Neilovitch Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Dear Mr. Cherry, I've been looking for a recording of music for trombone ensemble by Yanko Neilovitch (not sure of spelling). I used to have one by the Paris Trombone Ensemble, but have not been able to find anything. Are you familiar with this composer? Any advice on how to find his music? Thank you very much for any assistance you can offer. Sincerely James Sweet jms-tsa_sweet@juno.com ================ Can anyone help James with this request? Gordon ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2264--