TROMBONE-L Digest 2262 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Trombonist jokes by E P LUKAS 2) Trombonist lightbulb joke by "Stacy A. Rasgon" 3) Re: Trombonist jokes by "Adrian Drover" 4) Re: Trombonist jokes by "Gary D. Maxwell" 5) Re: In Sports, Over-Analysis Leads to Paralysis.....Perhaps music also? by "Paul Kemp Jr" 6) New trombone joke! by Walter Barrett 7) Re: Disney All-American Band Plug by JennWhaa@aol.com 8) Puzzle time (follow-up) by Todd Jonz 9) Re: Puzzle time (follow-up) by Howard Weiner 10) Re: Need King 4B slide by "Edwards Leandra" 11) Left hand tension/Ergobone by Douglas Yeo 12) RE: Goldman Band - Cities Service? by richardt@LEE.ARMY.MIL 13) RE: Goldman Band - Cities Service? by Douglas Yeo 14) RE: Trombonist jokes by richardt@LEE.ARMY.MIL 15) Re: Goldman Band - Cities Service? by "Hector Bourg Jr." 16) Re: Puzzle time (follow-up) by Walter Barrett 17) Re: Goldman Band - Cities Service? by ALFORDMB@aol.com 18) Addenda to Cities Service inquiry by "Hector Bourg Jr." 19) Re: Goldman Band - Cities Service? by Walter Barrett 20) Re: SS Banner by "Tom C. Shaddox" 21) Re: Addenda to Cities Service inquiry by BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com 22) Re: Henry Fillmore by "Tom C. Shaddox" 23) RE: Puzzle time by "Guion, David" <8guion@jmls.edu> 24) Early SSB renditions - Americus Brass Band by "Monte B. Price" 25) 1/7/2002 OTJ Classifieds Update by Chris Waage 26) Re: Addenda to Cities Service inquiry by "Dr. Carole Nowicke, Applied Health Science" 27) Re: Puzzle time (follow-up) by "Adrian Drover" 28) Re: Tips from the World of Sports by sabutin ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2262 Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 12:40:26 -0600 From: E P LUKAS To: slide.rule@adios.co.uk Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Trombonist jokes Message-ID: <3C389A1A.AC018216@bigfoot.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Adrian Drover wrote: > From: "Eric Landrieu" > > Q: What's a tuba four? > A: 1 1/2 inches by 3 1/2 inches > (for those outside the US, the joke doesn't do quite so well with metric > conversion) > > Well, I understand inches, but I still don't get the joke. All I get is 5 > 1/4 inches. Can someone please explain. I know I should be belly-laughing. > > Adrian > The most common size of lumber used to build the frame of a structure in the U.S. is nominally 2 inches thick and 4 inches wide, and it's called a two by four. The actual dimensions of two by four lumber is 1-1/2 inches thick and 3-1/2 inches wide and one can purchase this lumber in various lengths at a lumberyard. ------------------------------------------------- Last night I played a blank tape at full blast. The mime next door went nuts. ERNIE PAUL LUKAS TROMBONIST, PUBLICIST BARTLETT COMMUNITY CONCERT BAND MEMPHIS, TENNESSEE USA ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2262 Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 15:46:11 -0500 From: "Stacy A. Rasgon" To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Trombonist lightbulb joke Message-ID: <200201062047.PAA25309@melbourne-city-street.mit.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Here's a proper trombonist lightbulb joke... Q: How many trombonists does it take to change a light bulb? A: Just one, but he'll want to customize the switch! ------------------------------------------- >> I too had seen all of these before, but they reminded me >> of the old adage... "from the mouths of babes". About 5 >> years ago, a 16 year old private student SHOCKED me with >> a trombonist joke I had yet to have heard. Given this >> list's incessant fascination with Guiness Stout, it >> seems appropriate to share. >> >> Q. How many trombonists DOES it take to change a >> lightbulb? >> >> A. Five. One to hold it in the socket, and four to >> drink until the room spins!!! >================================================================== >Having been, at one time ,an avid rehearsal break-parking lot-imbiber, I'll >accept this as a trombone joke, BUT I've always heard it as a TUBA joke. >(:>)) >Gary Maxwell ************************************************************ Mr. Stacy A. Rasgon Ph.D. Candidate MIT Department of Chemical Engineering 77 Massachusetts Avenue Room 66-219 Cambridge, MA 02139 USA (617) 253-6586 srasgon@mit.edu ************************************************************ ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2262 Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 20:03:06 -0000 From: "Adrian Drover" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Trombonist jokes Message-ID: <000001c196f4$cd428580$a97968d5@homedmpbgvaomg> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Adrian Drover" > Well, I understand inches, but I still don't get the joke. All I get is 5 > 1/4 inches. Can someone please explain. I know I should be belly-laughing. Thanks for all your explanations. I forgot for a moment that you guys in the colonies talked funny. On this side of the pond, we call that big thing at the end of the brass section a "Chewba". I have however heard the expression "4 by 2" used as rhyming slang for "Jew". Funny world, isn't it? Adrian ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2262 Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 13:58:27 -0800 From: "Gary D. Maxwell" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Trombonist jokes Message-ID: <000c01c196fd$46f2e3e0$59525d3f@garymaxwell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Q: What's a tuba four? > > A: 1 1/2 inches by 3 1/2 inches > > (for those outside the US, the joke doesn't do quite so well with metric > > conversion) Hey all, listen to the trap we are "Lemmingly" falling into! This is Adrian Drover we're talking to. I can hardly wait for the punch line to hit us all right between the eyes. >From ERNIE PAUL LUKAS, however comes a really funny joke. > Last night I played a blank tape at full > blast. The mime next door went nuts. Thanks Paul. Talking about funny, as I type I'm listening to CLP 3060 (1962) "The First Family", by Bob Booker and Earle Doud. Sure brings back some memories of Camelot. (:>)) Trombone content? Now I remember why I purchased that "replica" Philco Record Player for my wife. It was my own selfishness. It was really for me, with all good intentions. At any rate, I am now able to listen to all my favorite LP's, and number one on the list is "K & J. J.: "ISRAEL". I remember several favorite lists coming out of this forum and am not trying to start another, but even my wife can sit back and say, "Damn, that's one mighty fine record". Kinda ironic too. With both of these fine musicians having recently left us, and my favorite track coming from the, soon to be ended "Fantastics", "Try To Remember", I think I'll seal up my LP and go hunting for the CD. Hope there's one out there. All the best, Gary Maxwell Bass Trombone Bakersfield Symphony Orchestra ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2262 Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 22:02:36 -0500 From: "Paul Kemp Jr" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: In Sports, Over-Analysis Leads to Paralysis.....Perhaps music also? Message-ID: <003401c19727$c352d970$d45a4d0c@BIGSHARK> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0031_01C196FD.D9D323F0" There's definitely a parallel between this and music. Over the past few months,ÊI have rekindled quite an interest in pocket billiards. The players that have great fundamentals will beat the player who doesn't have good fundamentals pretty consistently. In pocket billiards, that would be Stance, Grip, Bridge, Aim, &ÊStroke. If my billiards playing goes bezerk, thenÊI back to square one and practice certain drills, working on these things, and within a relatively short period of time, I'm playing pretty well. One day last week I had several hours to practice with someone on my 8 ball team, and we kept track of how many games we won, and we played 25 games, and I beat him 19.Ê Same thing goes in trombone playing--Posture, Embouchure, Air, Accurate Slide Placement, and a Good Concept of Sound are the fundamentals, and if your fundamentals are right, then everything else is MUCH, MUCH, EASIER. That usually involves practicing very slowly, but if you practice slow, your progress will be fast, and if you practiceÊfast, your progress will be slow.Êhowever, when I'm playing in the orchestra, I just play. The over-anaysis is definitely for the practice room, not on the stage. How you practice will make itself manifest when you perform.Ê Paul Kemp Chattanooga Symphony www.trbnplyr.comÊÊÊÊ ÊÊ ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Hill To: Trombones and related issues forum. Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 11:00 PM Subject: Re: In Sports, Over-Analysis Leads to Paralysis.....Perhaps music also? There areÊnumerous parallels from sports to music and just as many opportunities for "paralysis by analysis"... In addition to my music studies, lessons, recitals and trying to graduate on time, I was a collegiate hurdler (in fact, this paid my way!). We were fortunate to have an Olympic Athlete as one of our coaches. Talk about DETAIL!!! Where to look, where to step, where to BREATH! Form, form, form and repetition, repetition, repetition...movies, computer analysis; breaking down the race into individual movements. This went on every day for eight weeks... On the day of our first meet, the speed coach called together the relay team for last-minute details such as running order, lane assignments, hand-offs, etc. Result: heads spinning... I went to my (hurdling) coach before my race, expecting the same thing. When I prodded him for guidance, he gave me the most incredulous look - "when the gun goes off, run like hell"! Result: focus on starting gun... We had a good chuckle about it afterward (I won the race!) and he explained that *HE* was certain that I had mastered the fundamentals and that they would be there when I needed them...I have never forgotten this and apply it to my Trombone playing, as well. Relax, put the details out of your head and make music...the results of countless hours of practice and study will see you through! (note: this has nothing to do with pre-performance "jitters" which is another topic altogether -Êa little anxiety "gets your attention" just as waiting in the starting blocks...waiting for the downbeat or your entrance cue...enables you to FOCUS!) Best Regards, Paul ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2262 Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 22:22:56 -0500 From: Walter Barrett To: "Trombones and related issues forum." , Al Renino Subject: New trombone joke! Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Tonight, I was playing with the Iona College Pep Band, and a few of us who haven't been to college for (ahem) a few years were talking about starting to get mail from the AARP. (Adrian, that means American Association of Retired People...) So, I came up with a NEW, ORIGINAL trombone joke... Q/ What magazine will a trombonist never read? A/ "Modern Maturity" Walter Barrett "A third complained that on Sunday afternoons the old man sat on his front porch and played Die Wacht am Rhein on a slide-trombone, to the great annoyance of his neighbours." -Willa Cather "One of Ours"" Yamaha Artist/Clinician Tenor, Alto, Bass Trombones Euphonium Bass Trumpet Tuba ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2262 Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 02:01:44 EST From: JennWhaa@aol.com To: Subject: Re: Disney All-American Band Plug Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit And if anyone knows a college age player that is interested and has questions, they can e-mail me at jenniferwharton@aol.com Hope your new year is going splendidly.... Jennifer Wharton ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2262 Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 00:41:12 -0800 From: Todd Jonz To: Trombone-L mailing list Subject: Puzzle time (follow-up) Message-ID: <20020107004112.J17494@tj.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Thanks to all of you who responded on-list and off to my call for help translating the text from the three Russian pieces that our brass quartet has been playing. As several of you pointed out, my poor man's attempt to represent the Cyrillic text in ISO Latin characters left much to be desired, but it was close enough that several of you were willing to take a crack at it. When I was finally able to scan the charts and send the actual text to these kind folks, this is what we finally came up with: 1. Market: Dance from the Ballet "Spartacus" Written by A. Khachaturian Arranged by T. Dokshchitsera 2. Third Movement from String Quartet #3: Song Written by A. Aleksandrov Transcribed by G. Orvida 3. Sirba: Moldavian Dance Written by L. Kogan After a bit of poking around on Google I was able to determine that a sirba is a form of folk dance associated with Klezmer music. I also did my best to identify "A. Aleksandrov" (who I'm assuming is Alexander Aleksandrov, the composer of the Soviet national anthem) and "L. Kogan" (who might be violinist Leonid Kogan, although I found no references to him as a composer.) I was unable to find anything at all about "T. Dokshchitsera" or "G. Orvida", and I'm still in the dark as to why these three pieces would have been published together as a single piece of sheet music, with each piece numbered as if it were a movement of a single work (perhaps I'm missing a title page that reads, "Three Unrelated But Cool Russian Pieces", or something to that effect.) If anyone can add any more information (or refute any of my bold assumptions), I'd be more than pleased to hear from you. -- Todd Jonz When cryptography is outlawed, todd@tj.org bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2262 Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 11:30:44 From: Howard Weiner To: todd@tj.org, "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Puzzle time (follow-up) Message-ID: <3.0.1.16.20020107113044.35dfacb8@mail.sampo.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit At 00:41 07.01.2002 -0800, Todd Jonz wrote: > I was unable to find anything at all about "T. Dokshchitsera" or "G. Orvida" > > 1. Market: Dance from the Ballet "Spartacus" > Written by A. Khachaturian > Arranged by T. Dokshchitsera The arranger is probably trumpet virtuoso Timofey Dokshizer. > 2. Third Movement from String Quartet #3: Song > Written by A. Aleksandrov > Transcribed by G. Orvida The arranger here is probably Georgy Antonovich Orvid (1904-1980), who was a trumpeter and functionary (there's a combination for ya!) He played in a number of top Soviet orchestras, including the Moscow Phil, the Bolshoi Theater, Moscow Radio Sym. Orch., and the USSR State SO. The only thing that doesn't fit is the "a" at the ends of their names as you've given them. Normally this indicates a woman. Howard -- Howard Weiner weiner@privat.toplink.de http://www.odilia.ch/howard-weiner "Writing about music is like dancing about architecture" - attributed to Frank Zappa "Beschriebene Musik ist wie ein erzŠhltes Mittagessen" - Franz Grillparzer zugeschrieben ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2262 Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 06:31:45 -0600 From: "Edwards Leandra" To: "Trombone-L\(posts\)" , Subject: Re: Need King 4B slide Message-ID: <002d01c19777$46a056a0$a837fea9@elsj> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Dan, I would recommend just replacing the tubes on the old slide. It's definitely cheaper than a new slide, plus if you find a used slide somewhere, it might not be any better than the original. Also, if you have a really good slide tech, you're almost certainly going to get a better slide by having new tubes installed. Please E-mail me off list if you have any further questions. Thanks Eric Edwards bonearzt@mindspring.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Traugh" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2002 1:56 PM Subject: Need King 4B slide > A private student of mine is in need of a used slide for a King 4B > trombone. His other one > is worn out. Can anyone give me any leads on what might be available? > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2262 Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 07:53:27 -0500 From: Douglas Yeo To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Left hand tension/Ergobone Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" I received an email message overnight from Jouko Antere, a bass trombonist and inventor in Finland who has developed a new device to reduce left hand tension and stress while playing trombone. It is called the "Ergobone." Information may be found on his website at: http://www.ergobone.com/ The website is quite comprehensive, has many photos and much commentary. I have not tried it yet but clearly it seems like something which might be useful to players, not unlike the "Stewart stand" which many tuba and euphonium players find useful. Worth a look, I think.... -Doug Yeo ********************************************** * Douglas Yeo * * Bass Trombonist, Boston Symphony Orchestra * * Music Director, The New England Brass Band * * yeo@yeodoug.com * * http://www.yeodoug.com * * <>< * ********************************************** ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2262 Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 08:35:54 -0500 From: richardt@LEE.ARMY.MIL To: yeo@yeodoug.com, trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: RE: Goldman Band - Cities Service? Message-ID: <81F62454EA21B94EA95517180D7303730243F748@lee-is-102.lee.army.mil> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C19780.3AC8C9D0" I know it's not the Goldman band, or at least I think so. This weekend I came across an old LP, one of the few I saved, called Sunday Band Concert by Paul Lavalle and the Cities Service Band. The trombone feature on Old Oaken Bucket is really classy, I played it several times yesterday.Ê There is not a clue on the jacket what city the Cities being Served might be, and I don't know the Paul Lavalle name. Is this another Goldman style band, possibly?Ê -----Original Message----- From: Douglas Yeo [mailto:yeo@yeodoug.com] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 8:41 PM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Re: Goldman Band Ahh, the Goldman Band. I played in the Band for three summers - 1977, 78 and 79. I have wonderful memories of the group, playing with trombone players like Charlie Baker, Vernon Post, Alan Kaplan, Fred Braverman, euph players Jerry Kuhl (formerly of the Montreal Symphony) and Abe Pearlstein (who played trombone in the NBC Symphony). I was there at the end of Richard Franko Goldman's tenure - when he died, Ainslee Cox took over. There was nothing like playing 6 concerts a week in the summer for 6 weeks. Great for my chops, and great to play in bandshells for appreciative audiences attending free concerts. Most memorable was the concert at the Guggenheim Bandshell in Lincoln Center the night of the New York City blackout in 1978 (I think) - we were playing "Orpheus in the Underworld" when the lights went out. No kidding! Everything got quiet for a few minutes and we began to realize there were no lights - anywhere. Someone got off the band stand and saw lights in New Jersey and we knew we were in trouble. A minute later, someone started playing "When the Saints Go Marching In" and in a few seconds, the whole band was playing. We were then dismissed and somehow I found my wife in the audience in the dark - we made it over to the east side to take a bus uptown to our apartment (subways obviously weren't running). My wife had gone shopping that afternoon so the freezer was full of ice cream so we ate a half gallon each since it would have melted overnight. An unforgettable night... One can only imagine the numbers of people who were introduced to music with the Goldman Band. Very fond memories for me and countless others. Any other Goldman Band alums on the list? -Doug Yeo ********************************************** * Douglas Yeo * * Bass Trombonist, Boston Symphony Orchestra * * Music Director, The New England Brass Band * * yeo@yeodoug.com * * http://www.yeodoug.com * * <>< * ********************************************** ÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊ ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2262 Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 08:45:43 -0500 From: Douglas Yeo To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: RE: Goldman Band - Cities Service? Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 8:35 AM -0500 1/7/02, richardt@LEE.ARMY.MIL wrote: There is not a clue on the jacket what city the Cities being Served might be, and I don't know the Paul Lavalle name. Is this another Goldman style band, possibly? Paul Lavalle conducted a group called the Band of America. He also conducted the orchestra at Radio City Music Hall for many years and was conductor of the McDonald's All American Band which played at the Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade in New York and the Tournament of Roses Parade in Pasadena, CA (It was a band made up of 2 players from each state; I was in that group in 1972-73). You can see a brief bio of Lavalle at: http://www.lib.jmu.edu/music/lavalle/AboutPaulLavalle.htm -Doug Yeo ********************************************** * Douglas Yeo * * Bass Trombonist, Boston Symphony Orchestra * * Music Director, The New England Brass Band * * yeo@yeodoug.com * * http://www.yeodoug.com * * <>< * ********************************************** ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2262 Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 08:45:10 -0500 From: richardt@LEE.ARMY.MIL To: billy@trombone.org, slide.rule@adios.co.uk Cc: Trombone-L@po.MISSOURI.EDU Subject: RE: Trombonist jokes Message-ID: <81F62454EA21B94EA95517180D7303730243F749@lee-is-102.lee.army.mil> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C19781.86538380" Billy is correct but incomplete. If you are looking at the END of the two x four, you would see a rectangle that you would think should be two inches by four inches, but it really isn't. Despite "truth in advertising" laws, it is only 1.5 inches (high) by 3.5 inches (wide). You can't tell how long it is, unless it is badly warped.Ê Let me put it in familiar terms, Adrian. If you were looking at a mug of draft Guiness, the hole on top might be called 3 inches across, but it might really be only 2 1/4 inches. You couldn't tell how deep the mug was while drinking, but when you set it down on the bar looking at the side of it, you can tell it is about 8 inches tall.Ê To further confuse things, that length of two by four is commonly called a stud..................but let's not go there. -----Original Message----- From: Billy Cordova [mailto:billy@trombone.org] Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2002 10:02 AM To: slide.rule@adios.co.uk Cc: Trombone-L Subject: Re: Trombonist jokes Adrian A 2 x 4 piece of S4S (smooth 4 sides) lumber is actually only 1 1/2 inches by 3 1/2 inches. Billy Cordova I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it - Voltaire St. Cecelia, pray for us. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adrian Drover" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2002 4:28 AM Subject: Re: Trombonist jokes > > From: "Eric Landrieu" > > Q: What's a tuba four? > A: 1 1/2 inches by 3 1/2 inches > (for those outside the US, the joke doesn't do quite so well with metric > conversion) > > > Well, I understand inches, but I still don't get the joke. All I get is 5 > 1/4 inches. Can someone please explain. I know I should be belly-laughing. > > Adrian > > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2262 Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 08:49:29 -0500 From: "Hector Bourg Jr." To: "Bone List" Subject: Re: Goldman Band - Cities Service? Message-ID: <003601c19782$2111ec90$a2523842@hn9nz49oeloz7b> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0033_01C19758.37F71360" ----- Original Message ----- From: richardt@LEE.ARMY.MIL To: Trombones and related issues forum. Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 8:35 AM Subject: RE: Goldman Band - Cities Service? I know it's not the Goldman band, or at least I think so. This weekend I came across an old LP, one of the few I saved, called Sunday Band Concert by Paul Lavalle and the Cities Service Band.Ê The full name of the band was "Cities Service Band of America" The trombone feature on Old Oaken Bucket is really classy, I played it several times yesterday.Ê There is not a clue on the jacket what city the Cities being Served might be, and I don't know the Paul Lavalle name.Ê Go here for info on Paul Lavalle and the Cities Service Band: http://www.lib.jmu.edu/music/lavalle/AboutPaulLavalle.htm Is this another Goldman style band, possibly?Ê -----Original Message----- From: Douglas Yeo [mailto:yeo@yeodoug.com] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 8:41 PM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Re: Goldman Band Ahh, the Goldman Band. I played in the Band for three summers - 1977, 78 and 79. I have wonderful memories of the group, playing with trombone players like Charlie Baker, Vernon Post, Alan Kaplan, Fred Braverman, euph players Jerry Kuhl (formerly of the Montreal Symphony) and Abe Pearlstein (who played trombone in the NBC Symphony). I was there at the end of Richard Franko Goldman's tenure - when he died, Ainslee Cox took over. There was nothing like playing 6 concerts a week in the summer for 6 weeks. Great for my chops, and great to play in bandshells for appreciative audiences attending free concerts. Most memorable was the concert at the Guggenheim Bandshell in Lincoln Center the night of the New York City blackout in 1978 (I think) - we were playing "Orpheus in the Underworld" when the lights went out. No kidding! Everything got quiet for a few minutes and we began to realize there were no lights - anywhere. Someone got off the band stand and saw lights in New Jersey and we knew we were in trouble. A minute later, someone started playing "When the Saints Go Marching In" and in a few seconds, the whole band was playing. We were then dismissed and somehow I found my wife in the audience in the dark - we made it over to the east side to take a bus uptown to our apartment (subways obviously weren't running). My wife had gone shopping that afternoon so the freezer was full of ice cream so we ate a half gallon each since it would have melted overnight. An unforgettable night... One can only imagine the numbers of people who were introduced to music with the Goldman Band. Very fond memories for me and countless others. Any other Goldman Band alums on the list? -Doug Yeo ********************************************** * Douglas Yeo * * Bass Trombonist, Boston Symphony Orchestra * * Music Director, The New England Brass Band * * yeo@yeodoug.com * * http://www.yeodoug.com * * <>< * ********************************************** ÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊÊ ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2262 Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 08:49:02 -0500 From: Walter Barrett To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Puzzle time (follow-up) Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit on 1/7/02 3:41 AM, Todd Jonz at todd@tj.org sent forth into the cosmos: > I was unable to find anything at all about > "T. Dokshchitsera" This is probably Timothy Dokshchitser, famous Russian trumpet soloist. Numerous solo recordings out there, plus there's a bio that they advertise in the International Trumpet Guild journal. If you wanted to listen to classical trumpet solos in the 60s, the easiest to find were Maurice Andre, Edward Tarr and Timothy Dokshchitser. (plus Al Hirt doing the Haydn, shudder...) Walter Barrett "God tells me how the music should sound, but you stand in the way." Arturo Toscanini to a trumpet player Yamaha Artist/Clinician Tenor, Alto, Bass Trombones Euphonium Bass Trumpet Tuba ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2262 Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 08:51:52 EST From: ALFORDMB@aol.com To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Goldman Band - Cities Service? Message-ID: <28.2029a099.296b01f8@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Original message: This weekend I came across an old LP, one of the few I saved, called Sunday Band Concert by Paul Lavalle and the Cities Service Band. The trombone feature on Old Oaken Bucket is really classy, I played it several times yesterday. There is not a clue on the jacket what city the Cities being Served might be, and I don't know the Paul Lavalle name. Is this another Goldman style band, possibly? --------------------- Richard, The Cities Service Band of America broadcast nationally in the early 1950s until 1956, from NYC. Cities Service Oil was their sponsor. The "Band of America" name was owned by Paul Lavalle, which was an assumed name - his real name was Joe Usifer. I have several of his albums, none of which have ever been re-released to my knowledge. I don't know that they actually gave concerts - my impression is that they were primarily a broadcast and recording band, and apparently did some early TV shows. Usifer (Lavalle) died 2 or 3 years ago. I really enjoyed their records and I loyally listened every Monday night to their radio show. I have a bit more info if you are interested. Cheers, Mike Alford ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2262 Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 08:54:10 -0500 From: "Hector Bourg Jr." To: "Bone List" Subject: Addenda to Cities Service inquiry Message-ID: <004301c19782$c8bd8210$a2523842@hn9nz49oeloz7b> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0040_01C19758.DFA2CFF0" Cities Service is a petroleum company. Its name was changed in the 60s to the CITGO company. Their company sponsored the Band of America, hence the "Cities Service Band of America". See: http://www.mycitgo.com/AboutCITGO/CompanyHistory.jsp ******************************************************************************* Hector "Butch" Bourg Jr. - Graphic and Web Design - Atlanta, GA Trombonist - Sentimental Journey Orchestra - http://www.thesjo.com ** NOW CELEBRATING TWENTY-SIX SWINGIN' YEARS ** ******************************************************************************* ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2262 Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 08:58:44 -0500 From: Walter Barrett To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Goldman Band - Cities Service? Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit on 1/7/02 8:35 AM, richardt@LEE.ARMY.MIL at richardt@LEE.ARMY.MIL sent forth into the cosmos: > There is not a clue on the jacket what city the Cities being Served might be, > and I don't know the Paul Lavalle name. Is this another Goldman style band, > possibly? Cities Service was a gasoline company. I'm not sure if they're still around; after some mergers and name changes, I think they became Citgo. -- Walter Barrett "Be nice to your kids, they're the ones that pick out the nursing home!" Yamaha Artist/Clinician Tenor, Alto, Bass Trombones Euphonium Bass Trumpet Tuba ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2262 Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 08:09:03 -0600 From: "Tom C. Shaddox" To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: SS Banner Message-ID: <3C39ABFF.C7CAEC46@fnc.fujitsu.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit More notable SSB disasters include Macy Gray's Football Hall of Fame gig (booed off the dias) and none other than Willie Nelson forgetting the words at the televised Democratic National Convention. Walter Barrett wrote: >As for me, give me the Carmen Dragon arrangement of "America the Beautiful" >any day! Craig replied: >That is a great arrangement. I guess he didn't pass on too many of those >musical genes to Darryl, although "muskrat love" is kinda cute. Maybe, but Carmen Dragon's daughter Carmen Dragon, also a professional harpist like her dad, has done some nice stuff, including a great setting of "Battle Hymn". I can personally recomend a great concert band arrangement of the SSB by lister Wayne Dyess. Tom Shaddox, 9th chair tenor ljshaddo@gte.net ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2262 Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 09:17:07 EST From: BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com To: sackbutt@mediaone.net, trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Addenda to Cities Service inquiry Message-ID: <17d.1bcd28d.296b07e3@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In the 1940's and early 1950's the Cities Service Band of America under the direction of Paul Lavalle gave an hour radio concert each Sunday.. Euphonium/Trombone performer and teacher Simone Mantia was featured on the Euph. It is good to see that this group has not been entirely forgotten and that some of the material is extant in the hands of members of the Trombone List. At this time I do not believe that re-releases are planned of the material as much is on Electrical Transcriptions and the whereabouts of those transcriptions is presently in doubt. If those of you who have CD's please let me know off list what the publishers are and what the various catalogue and reference numbers are. I would appreciate it as this may assist in locating the ET libraries which at this point are missing. beldon wade ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2262 Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 08:23:59 -0600 From: "Tom C. Shaddox" To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Henry Fillmore Message-ID: <3C39AF7F.6E6B4944@fnc.fujitsu.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Henry Fillmore grew up in a family that published religious music. Young Henry loved all types of music, and chafed at being so restricted in musical pallet by his family's business. This caused no end of friction between Henry and his father, so Henry availed himself of the only reasonable course of action open to him: he ran away from home to play trombone in a circus band." Tom Shaddox, 9th chair tenor ljshaddo@gte.net ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2262 Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 08:37:18 -0600 From: "Guion, David" <8guion@jmls.edu> To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: Puzzle time Message-ID: <47763CCCA27C4F4FA4BEF7DDB754A1E7124986@marshall.jmls.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Todd Jonz asked for help in identifying music printed in the Cyrillic alphabet. Believe it or not, you can look in a dictionary or encyclopedia under "alphabet" and probably find a table that will help you transliterate the Russian. That's transliterate, not translate. It only gives you the Russian in the Latin alphabet. Unless you come up with something that looks suspiciously like "sonata" or something generic, it won't tell you the title, but at least you should be able to guess what it is a little better if no one who actually reads Russian comes forward. ^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^ David Guion, Cataloging Librarian The John Marshall Law School 315 S. Plymouth Ct. Chicago, IL 60604 Voice: (312) 427-2737 x 552 Fax; (312) 427-8307 8guion@jmls.edu Should part-time band directors be called semi-conductors? Quidquid latine dictum sit, profundum viditur. ^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^ ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2262 Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 08:52:20 -0600 From: "Monte B. Price" To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Early SSB renditions - Americus Brass Band Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20020107082303.06c50250@pop-server.austin.rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed The Americus Brass Band released a version of the SSB on a CD entitled "Wild West Music of Buffalo Bill's Cowboy Band". Beginning in the 1880's, Buffalo Bill's Cowboy Band started each performance with a version of the SSB that began with a stylized call to arms. This started 50 years before SSB was adopted as the national anthem. The CD can be ordered from Walking Frog Records or the Buffalo Bill Historical Center, Cody, Wyoming 82414. I'm going to try and obtain the arrangement for SSB. I bought copies of one tune, "Buffalo Bill's Two-step", for about $15.00 U.S. Whether this hold true for the SSB, I don't know. Monte ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2262 Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 09:57:01 -0600 From: Chris Waage To: Trombone-L , Brass@lists.fsu.edu Subject: 1/7/2002 OTJ Classifieds Update Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" The Online Trombone Journal Classifieds (http://www.trombone.org/classifieds) have been updated as of 9:57 AM on January 7, 2001 with fourteen new ads. - - - - - Thank you for using the OTJ Classifieds! - - - - - OTJ Instrument Classifieds http://www.trombone.org/classifieds/instruments.asp OTJ Accessory Classifieds http://www.trombone.org/classifieds/accessories.asp OTJ Music Classifieds http://www.trombone.org/classifieds/music.asp OTJ Classifieds Frequently Asked Questions http://www.trombone.org/classifieds/faq.asp To place an ad: http://www.trombone.org/classifieds/adform.asp OTJ Gift Shoppe: http://www.cafepress.com/cp/store/store.aspx?storeid=trombones If you have any questions or comments about the Online Trombone Journal Classifieds, please contact me at chris@trombone.org. Chris -- ________________________________________________ Chris Waage, Associate Webmaster chris@trombone.org http://www.trombone.org - A web site for trombonists ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2262 Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 11:37:46 -0500 (EST) From: "Dr. Carole Nowicke, Applied Health Science" To: BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Addenda to Cities Service inquiry Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 7 Jan 2002 BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com wrote: > In the 1940's and early 1950's the Cities Service Band of America under the > direction of Paul Lavalle gave an hour radio concert each Sunday.. > Euphonium/Trombone performer and teacher Simone Mantia was featured on the > Euph. Beldon, Abe Torchinsky has a photo in his study with himself, Freddie Pfaff, Joe Tarto, Simone Mantia, etc. standing in a line in their Cities Service Band uniforms. I had only seen pictures of Mantia as a young man and didn't pick him out of the lineup. Can't remember now if Bill Bell was in that photo (probably) as the conversation was about Pfaff at the time... > At this time I do not believe that re-releases are planned of the material > as much is on Electrical Transcriptions and the whereabouts of those > transcriptions is presently in doubt. There were places you could have make recordings off the air for you. Mr. Torchinsky told me that he'd have that done for N.B.C. performances. Someone might have broadcasts they saved in that manner. Carole Nowicke cnowicke@indiana.edu ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2262 Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 16:59:13 -0000 From: "Adrian Drover" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Puzzle time (follow-up) Message-ID: <004101c1979c$b7214db0$170dfd3e@homedmpbgvaomg> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Howard Weiner" > The arranger here is probably Georgy Antonovich Orvid Isn't he one of the guys who filled in the "Which Russian Composer am I?" questionnaire and found out he was really Nelson Riddle? Adrian ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2262 Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 12:50:54 -0500 From: sabutin To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Cc: fetterbrass@toad.net Subject: Re: Tips from the World of Sports Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1201696636==_ma============" At a music medicine conference some years ago here in Baltimore, I heard a lecture by a sports physician. What caught my interest most among his stipulations was the "48 hour rule" - that one should rest 48 hours after strenuous activity. Of course, orchestra musicians often see much shorter periods of rest. Could it be that the typical orchestra routine of playing heavily every day is counterproductive? Could it be that heavy concerts and/or rehearsals scheduled every other day with at least 46 hours between would produce better performances and longer careers? Do opera singers and baseball pitchers, who routinely rest 4 days or more between performances, have something valuable to teach us? Sitting here in my easy chair, 15-16 years after orchestra duty, hindsight says yes. David Fetter ---snip--- =================== David et al... Personally, I have tried EVERYTHING w/respect to this, and have come up with...daily practice and/or performance almost (but not quite) to the point of muscular exhaustion works best for me. This is of course purely personal, and no doubt at least partially predicated on my work situations and what is required of me when I do work.( What is required of a working trombonist who plays mostly American idioms is quite different from that required of an orchestral trombonist....many more notes, generally higher notes, less rest and more sheer horn on the face playing time, more solos, less emphasis on refinement and some sort of never-miss-a-note perfection, just for starters...) If I take off for even 24 hours, I am usually neither strong enough nor balanced enough when I come back to truly play at my peak. I mean, I can get BY, but...not like I want to. 48 hours destroys me. Really. If I do play past the point of exhaustion...if I begin to lose my balance in some way due to overplaying...THEN sometimes I'll lay off a day. I think this OVER-playing is analogous to what really strenuous opera roles or pitch-'til-you-drop pitching assignments might do to singers + athletes. Most of what we do is NOT that strenuous...closer to the one inning reliever,the basketball player or shortstop who gets quite a bit of rest during the course of a game, or perhaps a member of an operatic chorus. Again...each individual's recovery time will be different. Some pitchers have "rubber arms", for instance. Others need five days between starts. Same number of pitches...different stresses, different metabolisms. Some boxers swell and cut at the first jab...others can fight all night and barely show a bruise. They used to say that the heavyweight Chuck Wepner (aka "The Bayonne Bleeder") needed ice on his face before the fight even BEGAN...he used to swell just from the stare-downs at the introductions...but Roberto Duran never seemed to have a mark on him even though he wasn't much of a defensive fighter. We're the same way...some need more rest than others. So it goes... Later... 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