TROMBONE-L Digest 2261 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Trombonist jokes (+ drummer) by "Rod Ellard" 2) Re: Trombonist jokes by "Daniel Pliskin" 3) Re: fw: re. New Years Eve by BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com 4) Need King 4B slide by "Dan Traugh" 5) Re: Trombonist jokes by "Eric Landrieu" 6) re: Rob McConnell charts by Sharman King 7) Early SSB renditions by "Emil & Cynthia Orth" 8) Re: Boston Pops scene by Andrew Michael 9) Re: SS Banner by "Bob Byers" 10) Re: Boston Pops scene by Douglas Yeo 11) Re: Rob McConnell charts by "Richard Johnson" 12) Saint's Paradise...Trombone Shout Bands from the United House of Prayer by "Richard Johnson" 13) Re: Trombonist jokes by "Adrian Drover" 14) Fw: Saint's Paradise...Trombone Shout Bands from the United House of Prayer by "Richard Johnson" 15) Re: Trombonist jokes by "Billy Cordova" 16) Re: Trombonist jokes by Walter Barrett 17) Re: Early SSB renditions by "Dr. Carole Nowicke, Applied Health Science" 18) Re: Trombonist jokes by "Hector Bourg Jr." ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2261 Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 10:08:31 -0800 From: "Rod Ellard" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Trombonist jokes (+ drummer) Message-ID: <003901c19613$fcf145a0$b2e994d1@lindascomp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The teenager across the street, who just bought his first bass guitar, told me this one: What's the last thing a drummer says before he is kicked out of the band? "Let's try one of mine..." Rod ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary D. Maxwell" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2002 9:50 AM Subject: Re: Trombonist jokes > > From: > > I too had seen all of these before, but they reminded me > > of the old adage... "from the mouths of babes". About 5 > > years ago, a 16 year old private student SHOCKED me with > > a trombonist joke I had yet to have heard. Given this > > list's incessant fascination with Guiness Stout, it > > seems appropriate to share. > > > > Q. How many trombonists DOES it take to change a > > lightbulb? > > > > A. Five. One to hold it in the socket, and four to > > drink until the room spins!!! > ================================================================== > > Having been, at one time ,an avid rehearsal break-parking lot-imbiber, I'll > accept this as a trombone joke, BUT I've always heard it as a TUBA joke. > (:>)) > > Gary Maxwell > > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2261 Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 19:49:21 From: "Daniel Pliskin" To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Trombonist jokes Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed That is a tuba joke Much like ethnic jokes, musician jokes are easily transferred from one instrument to another. The only joke I know which is exclusively a tuba joke is: How do you fix a broken tuba? With a tuba glue. Which is why Iâm not known for telling jokes. DanP _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2261 Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 14:55:57 EST From: BJMCHAFFIE@aol.com To: trombonel-monitor@trombone.org, trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Re: fw: re. New Years Eve Message-ID: <123.9a60dcc.2968b44d@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for the information on Eric Felton's big band.. It is nice to have all that information including Wallerab being the arranger. Lotsa great music folks. beldon wade ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2261 Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 14:56:19 -0500 From: "Dan Traugh" To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: Need King 4B slide Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit A private student of mine is in need of a used slide for a King 4B trombone. His other one is worn out. Can anyone give me any leads on what might be available? ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2261 Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 15:09:24 -0500 (EST) From: "Eric Landrieu" To: "daniel_pliskin@hotmail.com" , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Trombonist jokes Message-ID: <20020105200925.CRHU2213.femail32.sdc1.sfba.home.com@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I know of one other exclusively tuba joke: Q: What's a tuba four? A: 1 1/2 inches by 3 1/2 inches (for those outside the US, the joke doesn't do quite so well with metric conversion) Eric Landrieu On Sat, 05 Jan 2002 19:49:21, Daniel Pliskin wrote: > >>That is a tuba joke > >Much like ethnic jokes, musician jokes are easily transferred from one >instrument to another. The only joke I know which is exclusively a tuba >joke is: > > > >How do you fix a broken tuba? > >With a tuba glue. > > > >Which is why I®m not known for telling jokes. > >DanP > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. > Eric Landrieu eland3@home.com ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2261 Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 15:32:39 -0800 From: Sharman King To: trombone-l@po.missouri.edu Subject: re: Rob McConnell charts Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20020105153239.00eec850@istar.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Further to Alex Iles' post for sources for Rob McConnell's charts, it gives me great pride to tell the list that Rob has been nominated (again!) for a Grammy. For any list members who are voting members of the Academy, here's your chance to vote for a deserving colleague! I know where at least one of my votes is going! In addition to playing lead trombone for most of the history of the Boss Brass, Ian McDougall also wrote several charts for the band. (My favourite title is "Greetings from McSlide to McValve.") These charts, as well as material written for the BBC Big Band and many chamber and orchestral works are available. The sources can be found at: http://www.ianmcdougall.com/music.html It's a great trombone site. While you're there, you might want to check out another Victoria BC trombonist's site. Brad Howland has a fascinating place at: http://www.musicforbrass.com/ Happy New Year from Canada! Sharman King in Vancouver Canada ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2261 Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 18:13:54 -0600 From: "Emil & Cynthia Orth" To: "Trombones and related issues" Subject: Early SSB renditions Message-ID: <00d701c19647$0a6944c0$82731818@midsouth.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Listers, Some years ago I heard the SSB being played as the flag arose in the lobby at the Smithsonian...definitely not as I knew it. (Dept. of the Pacific Marine Band, circa '52)(mandatory tbone content) . I found a tape for sale in the bookstore and it contained three versions, i.e.. arranged by Alan Dodworth, 1853, another by G.W.E. Friederich, 1854 and also the "Port Royal" version from the 3rd New Hampshire Regimental Band Manual. It is primarily done in 3/4 time, however the meter in all three arrangement goes all over the place....enough to blow your mind.....mine anyhow! Just an interesting piece of SSB's history. Does anyone else out there have this tape? I am in 100% agreement with all of you that don't want the SSB to be tampered with by some nuveau pop star. It should be played and sung with reverence and respect for our great country. Only my humble opinion, Emil ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2261 Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 17:54:09 -0800 From: Andrew Michael To: yeo@yeodoug.com, "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Boston Pops scene Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Doug, thanks for the historical rundown. In my Boston years I frequently would interrupt an evening run to listen to the BPEO and now I know more about who they are. Even if they aren't the BSO, they still sounded great and its a pretty big treat to be running along the Charles River and have that such fine music playing. One question though: At 9:10 AM -0800 1/5/02, Douglas Yeo wrote: >In some cases, 100% of the >BPEO is made up of non-BSO players, such as the Esplanade concerts >(including July 4 and most touring). I thought you had mentioned playing the July 4 gig at times. Is this one that the BSO folks can do if they want to. Cheers, Andy ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2261 Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 21:34:55 -0500 From: "Bob Byers" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: SS Banner Message-ID: <005201c1965a$ba7cab00$0100a8c0@dell4100> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The very commonly heard conter-harmony line played by trombones, expecially at "Oh say, does that star spangled ...", is so completely entrenched in my head from years of playing it, that it has become the lead line for me during that passage. Whenever I hear a rendition that doesn't include it, the tune sounds horribly incomplete to me . I've come to really love that little section. Some of you are probably sick of hearing/playing it for the millionth time, but I don't think I'll ever tire of it. -Bob ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2261 Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 21:42:17 -0500 From: Douglas Yeo To: Andrew Michael , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Boston Pops scene Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 5:54 PM -0800 1/5/02, Andrew Michael wrote: I thought you had mentioned playing the July 4 gig at times. Is this one that the BSO folks can do if they want to. No, the concert you see televised from the Esplanade on July 4 is an Esplanade Orchestra (no BSO players) gig; the BSO is already at Tanglewood where we often play a July 4 concert there. -Doug Yeo ********************************************** * Douglas Yeo * * Bass Trombonist, Boston Symphony Orchestra * * Music Director, The New England Brass Band * * yeo@yeodoug.com * * http://www.yeodoug.com * * <>< * ********************************************** ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2261 Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 21:44:06 -0600 From: "Richard Johnson" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Rob McConnell charts Message-ID: <001a01c19664$6467ba20$815fabac@zemry> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Brad also has some great trombone quartets for sale. He is an excellent arranger! **************************************************************************** ** Richard Zemry Johnson, Jr. "The Untouchables" Jazz Ensemble Shreveport Metropolitan Concert Band ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, , "There won't come a time when you won't have to practice anymore." J. J. Johnson **************************************************************************** ***** I'm not satisfied with anything about my playing. I know what I want. I can hear it; but it will take time and study to get it" -Sonny Rollins (1956) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharman King" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2002 5:32 PM Subject: re: Rob McConnell charts > http://www.ianmcdougall.com/music.html > > It's a great trombone site. While you're there, you might want to check out > another Victoria BC trombonist's site. Brad Howland has a fascinating place > at: > > http://www.musicforbrass.com/ > > Happy New Year from Canada! > > Sharman King in Vancouver Canada > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2261 Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 23:13:01 -0600 From: "Richard Johnson" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Saint's Paradise...Trombone Shout Bands from the United House of Prayer Message-ID: <000901c19670$d04b8bc0$815fabac@zemry> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just received this cd in the mail yesterday and am listening to it for the second time today. The United House of Prayer consists of over 135 churches worldwide and was founded in 1919 by a charismatic immigrant from Cape Verde by the name of Charles "Daddy' Grace. He was in interesting man, some called him a man of God, others called him a charlatan. His church services in Harlem drew upwards of 20,000 people. In any event, the church has a history of using trombones in their worship service. Saint's Paradise is a cd of 65 of these massed trombone choirs playing songs from the religious sector. The cd is very nice! It was my first time hearing a trombone gospel choir and I enjoy the sound. The cd can be purchased from Amazon .com. Here is the URL for a review of the cd....... http://web.ukonline.co.uk/mustrad/articles/paradise.htm Enjoy! **************************************************************************** ** Richard Zemry Johnson, Jr. "The Untouchables" Jazz Ensemble Shreveport Metropolitan Concert Band ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, , "There won't come a time when you won't have to practice anymore." J. J. Johnson **************************************************************************** ***** I'm not satisfied with anything about my playing. I know what I want. I can hear it; but it will take time and study to get it" -Sonny Rollins (1956) ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2261 Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 10:28:38 -0000 From: "Adrian Drover" To: "Eric Landrieu" , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Trombonist jokes Message-ID: <001001c1969d$10f38070$1e92fc3e@homedmpbgvaomg> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Eric Landrieu" Q: What's a tuba four? A: 1 1/2 inches by 3 1/2 inches (for those outside the US, the joke doesn't do quite so well with metric conversion) Well, I understand inches, but I still don't get the joke. All I get is 5 1/4 inches. Can someone please explain. I know I should be belly-laughing. Adrian ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2261 Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 09:03:19 -0600 From: "Richard Johnson" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Fw: Saint's Paradise...Trombone Shout Bands from the United House of Prayer Message-ID: <000801c196c3$47856c40$70aa9d42@zemry> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I said the cd consisted of songs from 65 of the massed choirs....that was a mistype. It consists of songs from six (6) of the trombone choirs. 1. Madison's Lively Stones. 2. McCollough Sons of Thunder. 3. Happyland Band. 4. Madison Prayer Band. 5. Clouds of Heaven. 6. Kings of Harmony. **************************************************************************** ** Richard Zemry Johnson, Jr. "The Untouchables" Jazz Ensemble Shreveport Metropolitan Concert Band ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, , "There won't come a time when you won't have to practice anymore." J. J. Johnson **************************************************************************** ***** I'm not satisfied with anything about my playing. I know what I want. I can hear it; but it will take time and study to get it" -Sonny Rollins (1956) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Johnson" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2002 11:13 PM Subject: Saint's Paradise...Trombone Shout Bands from the United House of Prayer > I just received this cd in the mail yesterday and am listening to it for the > second time today. The United House of Prayer consists of over 135 churches > worldwide and was founded in 1919 by a charismatic immigrant from Cape Verde > by the name of Charles "Daddy' Grace. He was in interesting man, some called > him a man of God, others called him a charlatan. His church services in > Harlem drew upwards of 20,000 people. In any event, the church has a > history of using trombones in their worship service. Saint's Paradise is a > cd of 65 of these massed trombone choirs playing songs from the religious > sector. > The cd is very nice! It was my first time hearing a trombone gospel choir > and I enjoy the sound. The cd can be purchased from Amazon .com. Here is the > URL for a review of the cd....... > http://web.ukonline.co.uk/mustrad/articles/paradise.htm > Enjoy! > > **************************************************************************** > ** > Richard Zemry Johnson, Jr. > "The Untouchables" Jazz Ensemble > Shreveport Metropolitan Concert Band > ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, > , > "There won't come a time when you won't have to practice anymore." > J. J. Johnson > > **************************************************************************** > ***** > I'm not satisfied with anything about my playing. I know what I want. I can > hear it; but it will take time and study to get it" > -Sonny Rollins > (1956) > > > > > > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2261 Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 09:01:47 -0600 From: "Billy Cordova" To: Cc: "Trombone-L" Subject: Re: Trombonist jokes Message-ID: <001e01c196c3$1178c0c0$34294c42@coxinternet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Adrian A 2 x 4 piece of S4S (smooth 4 sides) lumber is actually only 1 1/2 inches by 3 1/2 inches. Billy Cordova I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it - Voltaire St. Cecelia, pray for us. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adrian Drover" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2002 4:28 AM Subject: Re: Trombonist jokes > > From: "Eric Landrieu" > > Q: What's a tuba four? > A: 1 1/2 inches by 3 1/2 inches > (for those outside the US, the joke doesn't do quite so well with metric > conversion) > > > Well, I understand inches, but I still don't get the joke. All I get is 5 > 1/4 inches. Can someone please explain. I know I should be belly-laughing. > > Adrian > > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2261 Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 10:08:32 -0500 From: Walter Barrett To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Trombonist jokes Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit on 1/6/02 5:28 AM, Adrian Drover at slide.rule@adios.co.uk sent forth into the cosmos: > > From: "Eric Landrieu" > > Q: What's a tuba four? > A: 1 1/2 inches by 3 1/2 inches > (for those outside the US, the joke doesn't do quite so well with metric > conversion) > > > Well, I understand inches, but I still don't get the joke. All I get is 5 > 1/4 inches. Can someone please explain. I know I should be belly-laughing. > > Adrian > > As a homeowner and sometimes woodworker, let me try to explain... Here in the US, one the the most common building materials is a wood stud/beam, known as a 2 by 4 (tuba four). When these are first milled from the log, they do indeed measure 2 inches by 4 inches, but after the wood is dried, etc., they shrink, ending up at around 1 3/4 by 3 1/2 inches. Don't worry if you can't understand it still, Adrian, after a few pints of guinness, it all starts to make sense... Walter Barrett " The good Doctor said she was nervous, and, to relieve her, proposed a round game at cards; of which he knew as much as of the art of playing the trombone." -Charles Dickens "David Copperfield" Yamaha Artist/Clinician Tenor, Alto, Bass Trombones Euphonium Bass Trumpet Tuba ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2261 Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 11:06:37 -0500 (EST) From: "Dr. Carole Nowicke, Applied Health Science" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Early SSB renditions Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 5 Jan 2002, Emil & Cynthia Orth wrote: > for sale in the bookstore and it contained three versions, i.e.. arranged by > Alan Dodworth, 1853, another by G.W.E. Friederich, 1854 and also the "Port > Royal" version from the 3rd New Hampshire Regimental Band Manual. It is The sheet music for those three arrangements is available as downloads from the Library of Congress' "American Memory" digitalization project. The Port Royal books are MS parts, however. I've copied out quite a few things for our brass band (not the Port Royal MS parts, the band whines enough about 1850s printing conventions). In the "Civil War" section of the American Memory project, there is also clips and scores from the record set "Our Musical Past" with Fred Fennell, Bob Sheldon and the usual suspects. The Civil War and other sheet music databases on the site seem to be separate with different search engines (and some are linked to Duke, the Denver Public Library, etc). Carole Nowicke cnowicke@indiana.edu ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2261 Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 12:42:39 -0500 From: "Hector Bourg Jr." To: "Bone List" Subject: Re: Trombonist jokes Message-ID: <013b01c196d9$8944c660$a2523842@hn9nz49oeloz7b> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Well, I understand inches, but I still don't get the joke. All I get is 5 > > 1/4 inches. Can someone please explain. I know I should be belly-laughing. > > > > Adrian > > > > > As a homeowner and sometimes woodworker, let me try to explain... > > Here in the US, one the the most common building materials is a wood > stud/beam, known as a 2 by 4 (tuba four). When these are first milled from > the log, they do indeed measure 2 inches by 4 inches, but after the wood is > dried, etc., they shrink, ending up at around 1 3/4 by 3 1/2 inches. I think you are partially correct Walter. The specification changed somewhere around the mid 50's or thereabouts. The smaller size allowed a greater yield of the common building studs from any given log and therefore required less trees. This was the forestry industry's response to "Save The Forest" pleas by conservation groups of the time. (I doubt that dried lumber would shrink by up to half an inch...that's a LOT of shrinkage!) > > Don't worry if you can't understand it still, Adrian, after a few pints of > guinness, it all starts to make sense... > > Walter Barrett > > " The good Doctor said she was nervous, and, to relieve her, proposed a > round game at cards; of which he knew as much as of the art of playing the > trombone." > -Charles Dickens "David Copperfield" > > > Yamaha Artist/Clinician > Tenor, Alto, Bass Trombones > Euphonium > Bass Trumpet > Tuba > ----__ListProc__NextPart____TROMBONE-L__digest_2261--