TROMBONE-L Digest 1617 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Online Trombone Journal Forums by Listmonitor Trombone-L 2) Online Trombone Journal Classifieds Update by Chris Waage 3) FORWARDED MESSAGES TO THE LIST by Listmonitor Trombone-L 4) Re: Bach 42B vs.Conn 88H by "Tom C. Shaddox" 5) Re: Volume V of Brown Orch Excerpts - Available by "Chuck De Paolo" 6) RE: Bach 42B vs.Conn 88H by "Wessner, John" 7) RE: Dark tone by Dennis Clason 8) Re: Conn 24H Info? by Eric and Candice Swanson 9) Re: Yamaha Silent Brass by "Chuck De Paolo" 10) FW: RE: Bach 42B vs.Conn 88H by Listmonitor Trombone-L 11) Bachs with Hagmann valves by Eric and Candice Swanson 12) What's The Difference? (Thayers/Greenhoes)? by Galen Zinn 13) Conn 77H? by Eric 14) Re: Conn 77H? by Art Triggs 15) Re: Dark tone by "Adrian Drover" 16) Re: Slide/Right Arm by "Adrian Drover" 17) Re: Davis Schumann and the Angular Trombone by "Adrian Drover" 18) Re: Conn 77H? by Eric and Candice Swanson 19) Janacek Capriccio Background Info by Bear Woodson 20) Adrian's Banana bone by "Steve Beck" 21) Re: Conn 77H? by "Thomas Sousa" 22) Re: Slide/Right Arm by "Daniel Pliskin" 23) Re: Dark tone by "Daniel Pliskin" 24) Vol V Orch Excerpts by "John Palmer" 25) Meyer concertino by 1becka@bellsouth.net 26) Wallace Practice Mute at Osmun by Chris Waage 27) Re: Online Trombone Journal Classifieds Update by Eugene Grissom 28) Re: Conn 77H? by David Oliver 29) FW: Conn 77H? by "Thomas Sousa" From ???@??? Tue Mar 07 07:27:25 2000 Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 07:54:38 -0600 From: Listmonitor Trombone-L To: Trombone-L , brass@quartz.gly.fsu.edu Subject: Online Trombone Journal Forums Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" ....::: OTJ Forum: Discuss and Discover! ::..... The OTJ Forums is a place to meet, discuss, and discover the world of trombones! A wonderful message-board system, the OTJ Forum will allow your to share your questions on any topic, and respond to others. http://www.trombone.org/forum/ Tp post messages you'll have to register, but it's easy and fast! Then you'll be able to access the many categories and boards we have already set up, and also suggest additional ones. Feel free to add your own topics in any of the open boards. Spend as much time as you like here...*after* you practice! :) --------------------------------------- trombone-l digest archives and useful trombone-l information are available at http://www.cjnetworks.com/~tsks From ???@??? Tue Mar 07 07:27:25 2000 Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 07:53:26 -0600 From: Chris Waage To: brass@quartz.gly.fsu.edu, Trombone-L Subject: Online Trombone Journal Classifieds Update Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" The Online Trombone Journal Classifieds (http://www.trombone.org/classifieds) have been updated as of 7:52 a.m. CST on March 6, 2000 with many new listings. OTJ Instrument Classifieds http://www.trombone.org/classifieds/instruments.asp OTJ Accessory Classifieds http://www.trombone.org/classifieds/accessories.asp OTJ Music Classifieds http://www.trombone.org/classifieds/music.asp To place an ad: http://www.trombone.org/classifieds/adform.asp If you have any questions or comments about the Online Trombone Journal Classifieds, please contact me at chris@trombone.org. Chris _________________________________________ Chris Waage chris@trombone.org Associate Webmaster The Online Trombone Journal http://www.trombone.org From ???@??? Tue Mar 07 07:27:25 2000 Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 08:33:44 -0600 From: Listmonitor Trombone-L To: Trombone-L Subject: FORWARDED MESSAGES TO THE LIST Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" From time to time, you may see messages which appear to be from the List Monitor which contain content from other list members. This is due to the listprocessor software rejection of messages. Rather than go through the long (and sometimes unsuccessful) process of having the original sender post messages, I will send the information to the list, usually indicated by FW: in the subject line. LM --------------------------------------- trombone-l digest archives and useful trombone-l information are available at http://www.cjnetworks.com/~tsks From ???@??? Tue Mar 07 07:27:25 2000 Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 09:10:37 -0600 From: "Tom C. Shaddox" To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Bach 42B vs.Conn 88H Message-ID: <38C3CA6D.735C3895@fnc.fujitsu.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Both are benchmark production 'bones, although there are bad examples of each. Both have been played at the highest levels by the best players. You might consider things like: Does everybody else in your section play the Conn? Has the university you're going to attend standardized on the Bach? If you're interested in which might be best suited for studio, freelance, church or orchestral work, you might need to ask a more specific question. If you just want a personal opinion.... Voice of an angel, It's God's gift to all mankind. Conn 88H. Is that a fog horn? Perhaps a euphonium. Bach 42B. I gotta go practice, Tom Shaddox, 9th chair tenor From ???@??? Tue Mar 07 07:27:25 2000 Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 10:24:51 -0500 From: "Chuck De Paolo" To: Subject: Re: Volume V of Brown Orch Excerpts - Available Message-ID: <00b701bf8780$1e1c0660$0200a8c0@ws2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Folks, Volume 5's still available, along with 2, 3, 7, Strauss & Wagner. All the others are indefinite toast -- don't hold your breath. Number 5 is catalog 02448 in our catalog, and as of this morning (Monday 6 March) we have 8 available. You can order it online at our website or go direct to our "order by catalog number" page at http://www.hickeys.com/newsite/cgi/store.cgi?cart_id=&page=lookup.htm. Hope this helps! In Music, ---Chuck General Manager & Webmaster, Trombone Catalog Editor Hickey's Music Center 104 Adams Street Ithaca, NY 14850 607.272.8262 (Phone) 607.272.2203 (Fax) chuck@hickeys.com (E-Mail) http://www.hickeys.com (Website) http://208.134.241.150/weather/us/cities/NY_Ithaca.html (Weather) > > > Are the International Excerpt Books back in print? They were out of print for a > long time because of the GATT agreements. From ???@??? Tue Mar 07 07:27:25 2000 Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 10:23:28 -0500 From: "Wessner, John" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: RE: Bach 42B vs.Conn 88H Message-ID: <38074DD5B6CCD2119C8F0000D11C17BD024C0858@exchange.towson.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain I have played Bach small horns since the mid 70s. When I bought a large horn it was a Conn 88H. It was a very different animal than the Bach 12 I had at the time and the Bach 16M I bought soon after that. I finally got a Bach 42G and it was infinitely easier to make the switches. If this is to be your only "performing" horn, that's not a relevant factor. I knew which horn was paying for the other. John W. -----Original Message----- From: Tom C. Shaddox [mailto:Tom.Shaddox@fnc.fujitsu.com] Sent: Monday, March 06, 2000 10:11 AM To: Trombones and related issues forum. Subject: Re: Bach 42B vs.Conn 88H Both are benchmark production 'bones, although there are bad examples of each. Both have been played at the highest levels by the best players. You might consider things like: Does everybody else in your section play the Conn? Has the university you're going to attend standardized on the Bach? If you're interested in which might be best suited for studio, freelance, church or orchestral work, you might need to ask a more specific question. If you just want a personal opinion.... Voice of an angel, It's God's gift to all mankind. Conn 88H. Is that a fog horn? Perhaps a euphonium. Bach 42B. I gotta go practice, Tom Shaddox, 9th chair tenor From ???@??? Tue Mar 07 07:27:25 2000 Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 08:46:55 MST From: Dennis Clason To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: RE: Dark tone Message-ID: <200003061549.IAA91056@nestor.NMSU.Edu> Addressed to: Lawrence.Borden@home.com trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu ** Reply to note from Lawrence Borden 03/05/00 10:46am -0600 > What exactly does "dark tone" mean to you? With apologies to Mr. Justice Brennan, I can't define it but I know it when I hear it. With apologies to Ernst Mayr, whatever a competent trombonist says it is. ----- Bad jokes aside: I suspect (but don't know) that what we consider a "dark" tone has a mixture of overtones with the even number partials dominating, a "bright" tone has a higher mixture of odd partials. Dennis -- Dennis L. Clason email: dclason@nmsu.edu Department of Economics / University Statistics Center New Mexico State University Las Cruces, New Mexico USA From ???@??? Tue Mar 07 07:27:25 2000 Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 10:10:55 +0000 From: Eric and Candice Swanson Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Conn 24H Info? Message-ID: <38C3842D.3F3770F@worldnet.att.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Johnson, Scott (TBS)" wrote: > Listers all, > > I'm looking for any information that you may have regarding the Conn 24H. I know that it is a small bore horn, but that's about all. I'm curious about when and how long it was manufactured, if it is considered a pro horn and anything else you would care to share pro or con about it. Ian, Have you tried http://www.whc.net/rjones/connindex.html#index ? I would guess yours is the later 24H (they keep recycling the numbers) a small (.485") pro model horn. Eric Swanson From ???@??? Tue Mar 07 07:27:25 2000 Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 11:12:33 -0500 From: "Chuck De Paolo" To: Subject: Re: Yamaha Silent Brass Message-ID: <00d401bf8786$c78e4360$0200a8c0@ws2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Use the trombone version definitely. The euph model is way too big and would make your horn so front-heavy to the point it would be difficult to play for extended periods of time. That is if the mute would even fit into the bell. In Music, ---Chuck General Manager & Webmaster, Trombone Catalog Editor Hickey's Music Center 104 Adams Street Ithaca, NY 14850 607.272.8262 (Phone) 607.272.2203 (Fax) chuck@hickeys.com (E-Mail) http://www.hickeys.com (Website) http://208.134.241.150/weather/us/cities/NY_Ithaca.html (Weather) ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Trombones and related issues forum. Sent: Friday, March 03, 2000 4:27 PM > I'm in the market for a Yamaha Silent Brass system and was wondering about > which model to get. I play a Benge 290 Bass with a 10" bell. Will the > standard trombone model Silent Brass fit, or should I look at the Euphonium > mute? From ???@??? Tue Mar 07 07:27:25 2000 Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 10:14:24 -0600 From: Listmonitor Trombone-L To: Trombone-L Subject: FW: RE: Bach 42B vs.Conn 88H Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" From: Dennis Clason To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 08:57:11 MST Reply-To: dclason@nmsu.edu Subject: RE: Bach 42B vs.Conn 88H The Bach 42 (and its F attached brother) in my mind are the prototype tenor-bass instruments. Not quite a tenor, but not really a bass either. I think they are the instrument R. Wagner had in his mind's ear. The Conn 8 (and its F attached brother) is a later design than the Bach. As I was given the story, Thomas Beversdorf and Emory Remington worked up the design with Conn. When I'm behind the mouthpiece, it's a tenor instrument. A BIG tenor, but still a tenor. If you have to play (or like to play) small tenors along with the big one, you might find that the 42 is more compatible with Bach's small tenors. The bottom line however, is that you have to find what works for you. Dennis -- Dennis L. Clason email: dclason@nmsu.edu Department of Economics / University Statistics Center New Mexico State University Las Cruces, New Mexico USA --------------------------------------- trombone-l digest archives and useful trombone-l information are available at http://www.cjnetworks.com/~tsks From ???@??? Tue Mar 07 07:27:25 2000 Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 10:29:04 +0000 From: Eric and Candice Swanson To: trombone-l Subject: Bachs with Hagmann valves Message-ID: <38C3886F.48B4D861@worldnet.att.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List, There's been some talk about the Hagmann valves lately. I just got a new Bach price list. They list new models of Bach trombones with Hagmann valves, the 42A, 50A, and 50A3. The 50A3 is the same price as the 50K3 (the "Balanced Valve") and quite a lot cheaper than the 50T3 (Thayer valves). Thought you might like to know. Might be worth checking out if you like the Hagmann valves. Eric Swanson From ???@??? Tue Mar 07 07:27:25 2000 Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 08:38:52 -0700 From: Galen Zinn To: Trombone List Subject: What's The Difference? (Thayers/Greenhoes)? Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3035176732_165419_MIME_Part" What's The Difference? (Thayers/Greenhoes)? When I check out the valves that most professionals use, I see Thayers predominantly.
On the other hand there have been several folks on this list from time to time who have sung the praises of Greenhoes.

Now that I finally have a set of both valves that I can use alternately, frankly, I'm having a really hard time noticing any aspects of either one that are superior over the other. Perhaps the cosmetic differences of appearance and the comfort/positioning of the trigger paddles, etc. Of course those things can be corrected by a competent repairman. Am I missing something? What comparisons should I be making? Is this entirely a subjective/personal thing?

  • Tone quality?
  • Response?      
  • Speed of operation?
  • Ease of maintenance?
  • Something else?

Please help me out if you can.

Thanks,

Galen Zinn        
E-mail: zinger@musician.org

Pay your dues or sing the blues!

 From ???@??? Tue Mar 07 07:27:25 2000 Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 12:38:28 -0400 From: Eric To: TROMBONE-L Mailing List Subject: Conn 77H? Message-ID: <38C3DF02.9BAD2A76@olg.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi, Does anybody know the specs on the Conn "77H"? I gather that it was an intermediate level/"step up" horn. Is it a .500 or .525 slide? Thanks, Eric Richards ================== ERIC RICHARDS Composer/Arranger Trombone/MIDI For information on music for jazz ensemble: UNC JAZZ PRESS: http://arts.unco.edu/uncjazz/jazzpress/composerlist.html WALRUS MUSIC PUBLISHING: http://www.siliconvalleymusic.com/prod01.htm ãThe reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.ä - George Bernard Shaw 1856-1950 From ???@??? Tue Mar 07 07:27:25 2000 Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 12:41:07 -0500 From: Art Triggs To: ericrich@olg.com Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Conn 77H? Message-ID: <38C3EDB3.C5304EA@bestweb.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain My understanding is that it was .525 and it definitely was an "intermediate" type instrument. Regards, Art Triggs Eric wrote: > > Hi, > > Does anybody know the specs on the Conn "77H"? I gather that it was an > intermediate level/"step up" horn. Is it a .500 or .525 slide? > > Thanks, > Eric Richards > > ================== > ERIC RICHARDS > Composer/Arranger > Trombone/MIDI > > For information on music for jazz ensemble: > UNC JAZZ PRESS: > http://arts.unco.edu/uncjazz/jazzpress/composerlist.html > WALRUS MUSIC PUBLISHING: > http://www.siliconvalleymusic.com/prod01.htm > > ãThe reasonable man adapts himself to the world: > the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. > Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.ä > - George Bernard Shaw 1856-1950 From ???@??? Tue Mar 07 07:27:25 2000 Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 09:48:51 -0000 From: "Adrian Drover" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Dark tone Message-ID: <000c01bf879a$86a2e900$492f63c3@v4v3j2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: Kenneth Dowdy To: Trombones and related issues forum. Sent: Monday, March 06, 2000 2:54 AM Subject: Re: Dark tone > Otherwise, if you are happy with your > tone, tell whoever told you the above that he or she MIGHT consider giving > you advice after they learn to accurately read your mind ;-) > > Best I can do under the influence of massive doses of cold medication. Which incidentally makes the instrument you are playing sound to yourself more like a kazoo than a trombone. Adrian From ???@??? Tue Mar 07 07:27:25 2000 Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 09:48:40 -0000 From: "Adrian Drover" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Slide/Right Arm Message-ID: <000b01bf879a$85ca3c40$492f63c3@v4v3j2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: Hal Starkey To: Trombones and related issues forum. Sent: Monday, March 06, 2000 2:33 AM Subject: Re: Slide/Right Arm > I don't know about > anatomy, but it does seem the arm goes out farther to the side than it > does out front. Not exactly, unless you have expandable arms. Whichever direction you reach out, your finger tips will be the same distance from your shoulder joint. The reason you can reach 7th position (or further) with short arms when you swivel the trombone to the right was probably explained by Pythagoras long before trombones where invented. The trombone radiates from the centre of your body (namely, your mouth), but the amazing piece of anatomy that operates the slide is jointed at the right hand end of your shoulder. By swivelling your head and the trombone to the right, you are bringing 7th position closer to the end of your reach. Try this. Get two pencils, one an inch shorter than the other. Place them longitudinal and parallel, one inch apart on a flat surface, the longer pencil at the left and the back ends of both at the same latitude. Now swivel the left pencil from its back end pivot clockwise until it meets the other. Already, the pointed ends will be less than an inch from each other. Continue swivelling both pencils clockwise and Hey Presto, the pointed ends meet. And what is even more amazing is that the short pencil has not stretched, nor has the long pencil shrunk. Adrian (an absolute duffer in school at geometry and trig.). From ???@??? Tue Mar 07 07:27:25 2000 Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 09:50:01 -0000 From: "Adrian Drover" To: , "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Davis Schumann and the Angular Trombone Message-ID: <000d01bf879a$87a7d5e0$492f63c3@v4v3j2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: Lawrence Borden To: Trombones and related issues forum. Sent: Monday, March 06, 2000 5:38 AM Subject: Davis Schumann and the Angular Trombone > I just happen to own one of the original angular trombones. Becha haven't tried the banana slide trombone. Seventh position is a piece of cake. Drawback is, it pokes the eyes out of the guy sitting on your right. Adrian From ???@??? Tue Mar 07 07:27:25 2000 Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 15:22:17 +0000 From: Eric and Candice Swanson To: ericrich@olg.com Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Conn 77H? Message-ID: <38C3CD27.A29CA3C6@worldnet.att.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Eric wrote: > Hi, > > Does anybody know the specs on the Conn "77H"? I gather that it was an > intermediate level/"step up" horn. Is it a .500 or .525 slide? > Eric, I looked it up. It was .500" bore, 7.5" bell. It was intermediate, between the Director and the 6H Victor. Eric Swanson From ???@??? Tue Mar 07 07:27:25 2000 Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 15:47:11 -0700 From: Bear Woodson To: Trombone List Subject: Janacek Capriccio Background Info Message-ID: <38C4355F.2031@AZStarNet.Com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello, Trombone List. The Janacek Capriccio was written in 1926 for Piano, Left-Hand only, brass and flute (doubling on piccolo). It is one of nearly 30 works for Piano, Left-Hand only, and is a really neat piece! He makes the unusal combination of instruments work very well! I've researched Left-Hand Piano works, because I've written 3 of 4 movements of a Piano Concerto for the Left- Hand, to total 29 minutes in Full Score and 2-Piano Score (the 4th movement should bring it to 35+ minutes), for Mr. Fleisher. (I keep getting swamped with other projects, and can never get time to get back to it.) I have no idea where, or how, you can get Parts, but I thought you might be interested to know that there are so many Left-Hand Piano works. Some of these were written for Paul Wittgenstein, who lost his right arm from injuries in World War I, but others have been written for Messrs. Fleisher and Graffman. I've had nerve damage to my right arm 18 years ago, and still write left-handed only, even though I've regained most of the use of the right hand in the last decade. I intend to write a series of sonatas and concertos for every orchestral instrument, and recently finished the Piano C Score sketch for a Horn Concerto, which I'm now orches- trating, along with a new one-movement work for Harp and Orchestra. I already have unaccompanied pieces for trumpet, horn, trombone, and tuba, as well as accompanied sonatas for violin, viola, cello, and flute; plus another one-movement work for Viola (or Cello) and Orchestra. I won't neglect the radiant, golden tone of the trombone, but hope I can do it justice. Meanwhile, that was my 2¢ about background on the Janacek Capriccio. I hope you find the Parts and have fun playing it. It's a work-out for the pianist! Bear Woodson doctoral student composer at the University of Arizona Tucson, Arizona, USA "Have you ever noticed that the same people who say: 'Instant Gratification takes too long', also often say 'Three-Chord-Wonder music has too many chords'?" - Bear Woodson From ???@??? Tue Mar 07 07:27:25 2000 Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 19:02:45 -0500 From: "Steve Beck" To: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Adrian's Banana bone Message-ID: <007001bf87c8$7b6838a0$1d300923@becks.cl.msu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Adrian Drover >Becha haven't tried the banana slide trombone. I have. It certainly has "apeel." Sorry, gotta split. -Steve From ???@??? Tue Mar 07 07:27:25 2000 Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 20:01:38 -0500 From: "Thomas Sousa" To: swansonmacmail@worldnet.att.net, "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Conn 77H? Message-ID: <20000307005859.HGYS24363.mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net@[12.79.44.119]> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hello all: About 5 years ago, I tried and purchased a CONN 77H for a friend's grandson, and this horn was a PROFESSIONAL instrument. This was a .525 bore horn with the F attachment laid out exactly like the traditional 88H wrap. It had the stamp on the side of the bell "ARTIST", which was indicative of the Texas CONN's professional line. I also had a 7H of this vintage which had the "ARTIST" stamp on the bell, and at the time I purchased it, the UMI rep in our area said that it was a discontinued pro-line horn. I think that this is just another example of the lack of consistency in CONN's numbering system for their instruments. "If it is an odd numbered Tuesday in August, and the moon is in the seventh house, we'll designate the horn as a _ _ H." There are other examples of this in CONN's history. The serial number is probably the biggest clue as to which incarnation of the 77H this one is. Peace, Tom Sousa Sharon, PA -- Beer is proof that God loves us, and wants us to be happy! - Benjamin Franklin ---------- >From: Eric and Candice Swanson >To: "Trombones and related issues forum." >Subject: Re: Conn 77H? >Date: Mon, Mar 6, 2000, 10:22 AM > > Eric wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Does anybody know the specs on the Conn "77H"? I gather that it was an >> intermediate level/"step up" horn. Is it a .500 or .525 slide? >> > > Eric, > > I looked it up. It was .500" bore, 7.5" bell. It was intermediate, > between the Director and the 6H Victor. > > Eric Swanson > From ???@??? Tue Mar 07 07:27:25 2000 Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 17:22:53 PST From: "Daniel Pliskin" To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Slide/Right Arm Message-ID: <20000307012253.40015.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >His mouthpiece was straight >and the angle started at the shank. I don't know if anyone else had one >or if these were ever marketed. I've seen one of these in a basket of used mouthpieces. It interested me enough so that I tried it, but didn't like the sound. As far as I know that mouthpiece is still at in that basket. DanP ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Tue Mar 07 07:27:25 2000 Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 17:40:32 PST From: "Daniel Pliskin" To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Re: Dark tone Message-ID: <20000307014032.42716.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed > >I play on a silver trombone and I was told that I might be playing with a > >slightly brighter tone than I might want. What is a good way to build a > >stronger darker tone? Thanx Frank, A trombone does sound brighter out front than it does from the position of the player. On the other hand, how are you going to play beautifully, if you donât like the sound as you hear it, while you are playing? If you like the sound of darker sounding mouthpieces, that would be a very simple solution·except that you will find that you adjust the way you play on that new mouthpiece so as to sound the way you like to sound. I have half a dozen mouthpieces, all with about the same rim dimensions. When Iâm warming up, I often choose a mouthpiece thatâs a bit darker. Once I get warmed up, I can easily get that dark sound out of one of my brighter mouthpieces, but I can also get a few more high notes with the brighter mouthpieces. Then again, thereâs the question of how youâre playing and at what volume. When blown hard and with a ãcoldä air stream, a trombone can get pretty bright. When played softly (relatively) and with a ãwarmä air stream, a trombone can sound like a huge bass flute. A ãwarmä air stream is how youâd breath on glasses, before cleaning them. A ãcoldä air stream is how youâd breath on a hot spoon of soup. If that other person is important to you, your lover and/or your teacher, you might find out what they meant by that comment. If not, you could also use the comment as impetus to do something about your sound. You could also forget about the whole thing. Sometimes it seems that the dark sound, which I get, is a bit too reedy or whispery, for my liking. Without going to a larger bore instrument, it seems unlikely that Iâm going to get both a clean sound and a dark sound. DanP ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From ???@??? Tue Mar 07 07:27:25 2000 Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 20:43:27 -0500 From: "John Palmer" To: "Trombone List Contributions" Subject: Vol V Orch Excerpts Message-ID: <005101bf87d6$88c61fe0$fe488d18@kico1.on.home.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear bonelist: Thankyou to those who responded to my inquiry. The asymmetry of not having Vol. V was beginning to affect me. ...I was having trouble playing Gb in tune;-) Cheers John Palmer Kingston From ???@??? Tue Mar 07 07:27:25 2000 Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 22:25:41 -0500 From: 1becka@bellsouth.net To: trombone-l@lists.missouri.edu Subject: Meyer concertino Message-ID: <38C476B5.1DD36F21@bellsouth.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anyone have a copy of the Carl Heinrich Meyer Concertino for Bass trombone? I know that I can order it from robert king, but I just need to see a copy of it, not play it. If anyone has a copy please email me privately @ 1becka@bellsouth.net. Thank you, Aaron Misenheimer. From ???@??? Tue Mar 07 07:27:25 2000 Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 21:15:23 -0600 From: Chris Waage To: Trombone-L Subject: Wallace Practice Mute at Osmun Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" I don't know if this made it to the list before, but Osmun is now carrying the Wallace practice mute: http://store.yahoo.com/omi/walpracmut1.html Chris _____________________________________________ Chris Waage basstbn@waageworks.com Visit the Mouthpiece Exchange at http://www.waageworks.com _____________________________________________ From ???@??? Tue Mar 07 07:27:25 2000 Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 23:03:02 -0500 (EST) From: Eugene Grissom To: Chris Waage Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Online Trombone Journal Classifieds Update Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Chris, I'm looking closely at a major record disposal within the next couple of months - all proceeds to go to the Frank Rosolino Memorial Fund, Inc. to support the FrankRosolino Memorial Scholarship/jazz trombone which I co-sponsor with the ITA. The collection (all rather rare 78's) needs to get off center publicity-wise but I'm reluctant to put a complete list out through the Online TB Journal. The only other place I might make a general announcement would be Trombone-L and the Interna;tional Association of Jazz Record Collectors. The collection consists of big bands and down to small specialized groups..... Jack Teagarden's Chicagoans, Clyde McCoy, Bill Harris Septet, Red Nichols & 5 Pennies, Siidney Bechet Quartet,Paul Whiteman's Swinging Strings, Johnny Mercer, Ella and Bob Haggart Orch,. Georgie Auld, Lester Young, Bob Crosby, Hoagy Carmichael, Kid Orey and his Creole Jazz Band, Charlie Parker, Eddie Condon, Bunny Berigan ORch., the Duke, Basie, Charlie Ventura, etc......etc....etc.... Jimmy/Tommy Dorsey, Bud Powell, Anita O'Day, Jay McShann, Flip Phillips. Teddy Wilson. Benny Goodman, Oscar Peterson, etc........???? Any suggestions? I suspect one big hurdle will be how to send and or mail unless I can find someone in the SE who will drive ad pick up? Anyway, get back to me if you have any ideas. Coould turn into quite a bid war on some of these specials. That is - i you'r e into '78's>>>>>> On Mon, 6 Mar 2000, Chris Waage wrote: > The Online Trombone Journal Classifieds > (http://www.trombone.org/classifieds) have been updated as of 7:52 > a.m. CST on March 6, 2000 with many new listings. > > OTJ Instrument Classifieds > http://www.trombone.org/classifieds/instruments.asp > > OTJ Accessory Classifieds > http://www.trombone.org/classifieds/accessories.asp > > OTJ Music Classifieds > http://www.trombone.org/classifieds/music.asp > > To place an ad: > http://www.trombone.org/classifieds/adform.asp > > If you have any questions or comments about the Online Trombone > Journal Classifieds, please contact me at chris@trombone.org. > > Chris > _________________________________________ > Chris Waage chris@trombone.org > Associate Webmaster > The Online Trombone Journal > http://www.trombone.org > From ???@??? Tue Mar 07 07:27:25 2000 Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 22:35:59 -0800 From: David Oliver To: bonewerx@worldnet.att.net Cc: "Trombones and related issues forum." Subject: Re: Conn 77H? Message-ID: <38C4A34F.C5545EE0@access1.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, I think you are right Tom. From looking over the following website: http://www.whc.net/rjones/connslidebone.html one can see that Conn was (in)famous for re-using model numbers. I don't doubt what you say, but I'm pretty sure that the only version of the 77H after the late 50's was the .500" bore step-up "Connquest". My horn from 1972 doesn't even have that word stamped, as it was the start of dark years for Conn. It does have a neat sound though. The lacquer has darkened to a gold color. I wish I cleaned the inner slides more though, as now they look like someone rubbed fine sandpaper on them. Eric's definition is the horn I've had since the just about the start of when I first learned how to play trombone. My folks just rented another one for a short time till buying the 77H for me in 1973. David Oliver Westminster, Colorado USA Trombone, Denver Concert Band Bass Trombone, DCB Brass Choir Thomas Sousa wrote: > Hello all: > > About 5 years ago... > > I think that this is just another example of the lack of consistency in > CONN's numbering system for their instruments. "If it is an odd numbered > Tuesday in August, and the moon is in the seventh house, we'll designate the > horn as a _ _ H." There are other examples of this in CONN's history. > > The serial number is probably the biggest clue as to which incarnation of > the 77H this one is. > > Peace, > > Tom Sousa > Sharon, PA > > -- Beer is proof that God loves us, > and wants us to be happy! > - Benjamin Franklin > > ---------- > >From: Eric and Candice Swanson > >To: "Trombones and related issues forum." > >Subject: Re: Conn 77H? > >Date: Mon, Mar 6, 2000, 10:22 AM > > > > > Eric wrote: > > > >> Hi, > >> > >> Does anybody know the specs on the Conn "77H"? I gather that it was an > >> intermediate level/"step up" horn. Is it a .500 or .525 slide? > >> > > > > Eric, > > > > I looked it up. It was .500" bore, 7.5" bell. It was intermediate, > > between the Director and the 6H Victor. > > > > Eric Swanson > > From ???@??? Tue Mar 07 07:27:25 2000 Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 05:19:39 -0500 From: "Thomas Sousa" To: "trombone & related issues forum" Subject: FW: Conn 77H? Message-ID: <20000307101656.EVZH17170.mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net@[12.76.90.176]> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi David, I'm certain from the serial numbers, and from talking with our UMI rep that these instruments were DEFINITELY from CONN's days in Texas. The 88H's of that vintage have the words "ARTIST SYMPHONY" stamped on the bell. These only had the word "ARTIST" stamped, but in the same font even as the 88H stamp. I also know for fact that my 7H cane directly from UMI's warehouse, and it was brand new... in the plastic when I received it. The plot thickens... Peace, Tom Sousa Sharon, PA -- Beer is proof that God loves us, and wants us to be happy! - Benjamin Franklin ---------- >From: David Oliver >To: "Trombones and related issues forum." >Subject: Re: Conn 77H? >Date: Tue, Mar 7, 2000, 1:35 AM > > one can see that Conn was (in)famous for re-using model numbers. I don't doubt > what you say, but I'm pretty sure that the only version of the 77H after the > late 50's was the .500" bore step-up "Connquest". My horn from 1972 doesn't even > have that word stamped, as it was the start of dark years for Conn.